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Brady couldn't tell the difference. Riiiiiiight![]()
Brady couldn't tell the difference. Riiiiiiight![]()
yes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
well, I have a clean record, so everything's coolwhen you've been convicted before, you don't get to say that.exactlyJust about any other team and this isn't a big deal.
now we're all in agreement
According to an unnamed source.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
I'm trying to be rationale here and not get into an argument because most of this thread is just like 5 people going back and forth but... what I think is trying to expressed is that people are taking the sources and reports with blind faith. The 11/12 number and 2lbs seem to originate from Mortenson's report which is all unnamed sources etc. You get into murky territory when you dismiss the mistake in one report and accept all the facts from another.yes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
i find it so funny that YOU care more about this than the team that is directly involved in the game that this happenedyes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
Hey look, i found that link you guys wanted.http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12213533Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys
are terrible liars.

Someone want to explain this pattern?The pattern of cheating has been long established.
So true Busted Knuckles, Johnny U is the only one that cares.i find it so funny that YOU care more about this than the team that is directly involved in the game that this happenedyes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
Unfortunately, it's hard to argue with this. I'll also add that the NFL and RG also took yet another direct hit today.Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
My team's season is over and I hope they get better next year by improving their defense, toughness, and running game. I personally feel they need to improve on the OL and get more talent at the RB position, but mostly they need to improve on the DL and at linebacker. I love our DBs, QB, and TE. All of that said, and nothing to do with the Patriots current situation, I think everyone is interested in getting to the truth. Brady is an idiot. All he had to do was say the balls didn't feel right so I asked the ball boy to deflate them some. I didn't mean for them to be deflated under legal limit. If he had done that, this would probably go away, but NOOOOO!!! He had to stand there and tell a bold face lie. When it comes out that he DID lie, the hammer will fall hard. Covering it up will be a lot worse on this organization. The reason why both Hoodie and Brady said this, is because they truly feel they should always deny wrong doings.i find it so funny that YOU care more about this than the team that is directly involved in the game that this happenedyes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.
i think you missed the point....J U is more upset and angry about this than the colts players ....that isnt strange to you? oh wait...it bothers you as much as J U ....never mindSo true Busted Knuckles, Johnny U is the only one that cares.i find it so funny that YOU care more about this than the team that is directly involved in the game that this happenedyes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.![]()
Now that that's settled I'll switch on Anderson Cooper to watch him interview a reporter, Mike Perera and an ex-ball-boy. Im sure they have no interest in this and they'll be talking about ISIS.
It had been mentioned a couple of times in passing, couple of us asked for links, none were provided ... UNTIL NOWI don't recall seeing this once in this thread. If I'm wrong, fine. But people have been running with the "DQwell noticed it but brady and the refs didnt" line all day long.We've known this for days, when Kravitz originally made the claim from an 'unknown source' he also claimed that it was brought to their attention when D'qwell noticed it. D'qwell refuted pretty much immediately, I believe he even said so on Kravitz's show.lets not sweep this tid bit under the rug...the media had this guy being the whistleblower when in fact he never even noticed the ball feeling deflated in the first place ...this is HUGEhttp://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12213533Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys
are terrible liars."I'm a linebacker, I'm a defensive guy," Jackson said. "If anybody recognized anything it definitely wouldn't come from me."He called the fallout "comical."
Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
I'd be careful throwing around percentages like that. I think there's a more mathematically complicated connection between the two psi's.For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
what bothers me is a a coach and QB that thinks they are above the league and that cheating is ok. That is what bothers me about this.i think you missed the point....J U is more upset and angry about this than the colts players ....that isnt strange to you? oh wait...it bothers you as much as J U ....never mindSo true Busted Knuckles, Johnny U is the only one that cares.i find it so funny that YOU care more about this than the team that is directly involved in the game that this happenedyes, I heard that also. Just saying it doesn't matter what Jackson says. The proof is in the deflated pudding.Wasnt it estblished yesterday that Jackson wasnt the main source of this? Please people, try to keep up.It doesn't matter what Jackson said, the balls were deflated, 11 out of 12 of them. Nothing he said changes that and the question here is how did 11 out 12 of them get deflated?it boils down to credibility and mis-information...both of which the media is on the wrong end of right nowI see it's already been posted, but let's keep it going to give all of the "Salty Haters" a chance to come up with some new arguments.
Colts ILB D'Qwell Jackson says he didn't notice anything unusual about the ball he intercepted in Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Jackson was rumored to be the reason the investigation started, but says that's not the case. "I definitely wouldn't be able to tell if one ball had less pressure than another," Jackson said. "It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game. They outplayed us. ... I don't feel slighted at all personally." If only the rest of America shared Jackson's desire to move on.![]()
Now that that's settled I'll switch on Anderson Cooper to watch him interview a reporter, Mike Perera and an ex-ball-boy. Im sure they have no interest in this and they'll be talking about ISIS.
what i love about belichick is that I can guarantee you this week in practice he's made sure there's a couple extra pounds in teh practice ballsGiven this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
So whose fault is that now?exactlyJust about any other team and this isn't a big deal.
now we're all in agreement
Pretty much is talking about integrity when one says it's the cheating that bothers him.Johnny U. You forgot to mention the integrity of the game and the children in your little speeches.
The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
Unnamed sources stated that they're practicing with medicine balls.what i love about belichick is that I can guarantee you this week in practice he's made sure there's a couple extra pounds in teh practice ballsGiven this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
He was questioning if it had an effect on production. Source material says that it didn't. Chill, dude.what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
I'm surprised you feel this way, but many media members have similar ideas. What surprises me the most is a lack of outrage at the NFL in this case, and a willingness to throw Belicheck and Brady under the bus and call them both liars for denying wrongdoing in this case.For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
sounds more like wishful thinkingFor being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
That's irrelevant. Only whether they cheated is relevant.He was questioning if it had an effect on production. Source material says that it didn't. Chill, dude.what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
yeah, they did it every other game this year and absolutely nobody else ever noticed...............until that fateful day d'qwell jackson's surgeon's touch came into play!what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
And since we don't know if they cheated and probably never will, it's all a big pointless discussion.That's irrelevant. Only whether they cheated is relevant.He was questioning if it had an effect on production. Source material says that it didn't. Chill, dude.what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
welcome, newbieMuch to do about nothing. I am surprised that this issue could result in almost 50 pages of discussion.
Even if Belichick purposely deflated the balls himself I don't understand why there would be sanctions. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.
you pat fans sure use the troll and hater words a lot. It's a shame your team puts its fans through this, knowing their legacy is under a cloud forever. I know that would bother me a lot., so I can sympathize with Pats fans to some degree. No fan should have to look at their team this way.sounds more like wishful thinkingFor being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
this is a hot topic right now with The View's demographic but when their careers are up and everybody's at the old man bar arguing over the best whoevers ever nobody will remember or give a crap.
we've all learned a lot more about the ball prep process than we ever imagined we would, this week, but as evidenced by the many accounts, including an aaron rodgers interview, these guys have spent all their careers prepping their balls to whatever standard they think might pass inspection, handing them to the refs, and crossing their fingers.
I doubt monitoring every football's psi is high on belichick's superbowl prep list, however much of a detail freak he's become infamous for being.
stop trolling your own site --- nobody in football gives a crap
Probably they are sensitive because everyone jumps on the "Pats are cheating" bandwagon when there is no proof of cheating.you pat fans sure use the troll and hater words a lot. It's a shame your team puts its fans through this, knowing their legacy is under a cloud forever. I know that would bother me a lot., so I can sympathize with Pats fans to some degree. No fan should have to look at their team this way.sounds more like wishful thinkingFor being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
this is a hot topic right now with The View's demographic but when their careers are up and everybody's at the old man bar arguing over the best whoevers ever nobody will remember or give a crap.
we've all learned a lot more about the ball prep process than we ever imagined we would, this week, but as evidenced by the many accounts, including an aaron rodgers interview, these guys have spent all their careers prepping their balls to whatever standard they think might pass inspection, handing them to the refs, and crossing their fingers.
I doubt monitoring every football's psi is high on belichick's superbowl prep list, however much of a detail freak he's become infamous for being.
stop trolling your own site --- nobody in football gives a crap
I can't believe these kinds of posts are still being made. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but has to do with whether they cheated or not. Having done this in the past and continue to do it now (arrogance), it is a big deal. I know it is with the other teams and coaches according to DA on talk radio.Much to do about nothing. I am surprised that this issue could result in almost 50 pages of discussion.
Even if Belichick purposely deflated the balls himself I don't understand why there would be sanctions. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.
I'm surprised you feel this way, but many (... etc)
TALK TO THE BALL BOY!!!!@And since we don't know if they cheated and probably never will, it's all a big pointless discussion.That's irrelevant. Only whether they cheated is relevant.He was questioning if it had an effect on production. Source material says that it didn't. Chill, dude.what does that (if even true) have to do with cheating? So are you saying just because they blew them out it's ok to cheat? How many other games during this season did the Patriots do this? I'm pretty sure it isn't a one time thingy.The second half of the Colts game they played with properly inflated balls and the Pats hung 28 unanswered points on them... so...Given this I have two questions:For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
1. Does Brady always play with under-inflated balls?
2. If #1 is true, and there is an expectation of high scrutiny for the SB, does this affect his grip and passing ability enough to see a dip in production?
I do suspect #1 is true as I don't believe Brady is telling the truth, but I also suspect it won't, in the end, make a bit of difference in his production.
Lol.Hey look, i found that link you guys wanted.http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12213533Lol @ Brady claiming be didn't notice the balls were underinflated after playing with them for 2 quarters, yet D'Qwell Jackson noticed immediately after picking him off. These guys
are terrible liars.![]()
what the pats have 'put me through' the last 14 years is an absolute assload of winning by the greatest dynasty in sports, and absolute top shelf awesomeness by awesome people in doing ityou pat fans sure use the troll and hater words a lot. It's a shame your team puts its fans through this, knowing their legacy is under a cloud forever. I know that would bother me a lot., so I can sympathize with Pats fans to some degree. No fan should have to look at their team this way.sounds more like wishful thinkingFor being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
this is a hot topic right now with The View's demographic but when their careers are up and everybody's at the old man bar arguing over the best whoevers ever nobody will remember or give a crap.
we've all learned a lot more about the ball prep process than we ever imagined we would, this week, but as evidenced by the many accounts, including an aaron rodgers interview, these guys have spent all their careers prepping their balls to whatever standard they think might pass inspection, handing them to the refs, and crossing their fingers.
I doubt monitoring every football's psi is high on belichick's superbowl prep list, however much of a detail freak he's become infamous for being.
stop trolling your own site --- nobody in football gives a crap
ok, this whole thing has been a masterfulI can't believe these kinds of posts are still being made. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, but has to do with whether they cheated or not. Having done this in the past and continue to do it now (arrogance), it is a big deal. I know it is with the other teams and coaches according to DA on talk radio.Much to do about nothing. I am surprised that this issue could result in almost 50 pages of discussion.
Even if Belichick purposely deflated the balls himself I don't understand why there would be sanctions. It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.
but that one pushed it so far over the top even us pats fans are starting to catch onSo Irsay is leading the investigation now and not the league?At this point I'm convinced it's Irsay just being a mudslinger, trying to drag the Pats through the mud.
I don't understand why you have this idea that the Patriots are off the hook if the NFL didn't test the balls or didn't test them properly before the game. It was the Patriots' responsibility to bring legal balls to the game. Heck, Brady himself was one of the guys that championed the rule allowing the teams to bring their own footballs, which I'm assuming came with the stipulation that those balls be legal.I'm surprised you feel this way, but many media members have similar ideas. What surprises me the most is a lack of outrage at the NFL in this case, and a willingness to throw Belicheck and Brady under the bus and call them both liars for denying wrongdoing in this case.For being cited as one of the best coaches ever, I find it alarming that after 3 days he has no idea how the balls lost 16% of their air pressure in 90 minutes despite being controlled by his staff. I always thought of him as being very detailed oriented. It sure seems like a head coach would be able to trace back all the people that would touch the balls AFTER Brady ok'd them.
To me the press conferences were about what I would expect if the franchise has been doing this for a long time. No one in the equipment is going to tinker with game balls outside of Brady's knowledge. Madden, former QBs are all saying this. Even Belichick said this. The balls are set up the way Brady likes them (which appears to be lower than the 12.5 psi mandated low despite him saying he likes them right at the edge of allowed). The statement by Brady that he touches them all and knows how he likes them pregame, but can't tell the difference of the 2-3 psi later in a game situation seems very disingenuous.
Belichick's press conference was to pass the buck to Brady. Brady's presser was just to buy time so he gets to play in the Super Bowl. I have no dog in this race, but it was hard watching Brady say things that look to be outright lies. I do think the legacies of both Belichick and Brady took a big hit this week in everyone but the biggest Patriot fan's eyes.
There are really 2 issues here:
1. A lack of facts. This is a BIG problem. We have not had the NFL come out and give us enough facts. Yet, the media, former players and everyone with an outlet is giving their opinion on a matter when they don't know the facts. The NFL isn't providing facts and thus we are all guessing on a number of important things.
2. Benefit of the doubt. The only thing we THINK we know is this: 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by 2 pounds at halftime. That's it. How did they get this way? No one has any proof. Who is the referee who did the inspection? Why isn't he being interviewed? What were the PSI of the balls 2 hours before the game? Were they manually inspected or not? Why does no one care about this, and everyone assumes that the head coach and quarterback, who are gameplanning to win an AFC championship game, were concerned with the PSI of the footballs?
The simplest answer is usually the best one. It's likely that Brady likes balls on the "deflated side", they deflate them how he likes them, and they submit them for inspection. It's likely that they were accepted without being measured and then lost a bit of pressure due to the cold. The Colts brought it to the attention of the officiating crew in the first half, possibly because they had wondered from a previous meeting and/or the Ravens and the officiating crew actually measured them and found they were under the limits. Then the balls were switched out, the game continued, and the Pats stomped the Colts.
This explanation is simple, doesn't require some grand scheme of deception by the entire organization, doesn't call for Brady and Belicheck to be bold-faced liars, doesn't involve the Patriots sneaking off with balls that Tom approved and letting out 2 pounds of air under the shadow of a tunnel, doesn't involve a scheme from Robert Kraft and Bill Belicheck to lessen the fumbles over a ten-year period, and doesn't involve a super diligent officiating crew that measures the PSI of every football and documents it.
I wish more media would call out the NFL here, instead of slam the Patriots.