Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[General Tso]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

There are not 48 balls, there are 36. 12 by the colts, 12 by the pats, and 12 more provided by the home team as back ups. The current scoop is the balls used by NE in the first half were deflated. The 12 used after halftime by NE were at specification and the same 12 passed spec at the end of the game.

48 during playoffs.

 

[Anarchy99]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Per usual in the English language.

Especially since that was, apparently, exactly the question the reporter set out to answer I think we can put this one to rest.

 

[Anarchy99]

I suppose the gauges could be foreign and not use "pounds" per square inch. So there is the kilograms angle.

 

[moleculo]

For those that were asking, the Boston globe reported that all 24 footballs were checked with a pressure gauge supplied by theeahue BEFORE the game.

Was it the same pressure gauge? They didn't report whether or not a different gauge was used for the Colts vs the Pats balls so it could've been defective. Until the NFL makes a statement on this I'm just going to believe it was a faulty reading.

Same gauge. All footballs from both teams. Same gauge used at halftime and after the game. Second gauge used to confirm at halftime and post game.

There will be no "my dog ate it excuse" in terms of faulty testing or malfunctioning equipment.

If so I have a hard time believing the Pats are so stupid. But I guess we will find out if this is the case. I think this will be Belichick's final game if we find this out.

nah. The investigation won't come to a conclusion until after the superbowl.

Folks, XLIX will have an asterisk forever, regardless of who wins.

 

[General Tso]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Once they start talking about it on The View you know it's a completely ridiculous story.

 

[moleculo]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

nope.

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sunday’s AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.

According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots’ footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

one would take from this that the footballs were inspected pre-game with a gauge and found to be within the allowable range.

There's not much room for ambiguity here.

 

[Old Smiley]

Why do they have to leak it? Why not just freaking say it? What's an "NFL source"? They pointedly didn't say that in their one official statement -- where they're actually on the record. Why can't the league hold a press conference? Why is Goodell hiding under his desk? Have they talked to Brady yet? They hadn't when Brady was hanging in the breeze yesterday.

I ask you non Pats fans that. Are you okay with the way the league is doing this? Seriously.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

For those that were asking, the Boston globe reported that all 24 footballs were checked with a pressure gauge supplied by theeahue BEFORE the game.

Was it the same pressure gauge? They didn't report whether or not a different gauge was used for the Colts vs the Pats balls so it could've been defective. Until the NFL makes a statement on this I'm just going to believe it was a faulty reading.

Same gauge. All footballs from both teams. Same gauge used at halftime and after the game. Second gauge used to confirm at halftime and post game.

There will be no "my dog ate it excuse" in terms of faulty testing or malfunctioning equipment.

maybe they were just reporting that its standard procedure to test the balls in that manor before a game

 

[Anarchy99]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

They have been discussing it all afternoon and all night on radio in Boston as 100% confirmation that the balls were tested properly. If people want to wait to hear from the league, so be it.

 

[Bucky86]

Once they start talking about it on The View you know it's a completely ridiculous story.

You watch The View?

 

[General Tso]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Per usual in the English language.

Especially since that was, apparently, exactly the question the reporter set out to answer I think we can put this one to rest.

There's a decent chance that the refs did not use gauges pre-game. If that was in fact the case, then this is exactly how the leaks from the NFL, as well as its statement, would read.I think this is just as likely a scenario as some ball boy getting the balls from the refs 10 minutes before the kickoff and deflating them on the sidelines in clear view of everyone, knowing the whole time that the refs were on to them by withholding the balls until 10 minutes prior.

 

[General Tso]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

They have been discussing it all afternoon and all night on radio in Boston as 100% confirmation that the balls were tested properly. If people want to wait to hear from the league, so be it.

yeah, 98.5. Been listening to these guys all day. They are making an assumption as far as I can tell.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

They have been discussing it all afternoon and all night on radio in Boston as 100% confirmation that the balls were tested properly. If people want to wait to hear from the league, so be it.

you act like the news is a reliable source of information

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Why do they have to leak it? Why not just freaking say it? What's an "NFL source"? They pointedly didn't say that in their one official statement -- where they're actually on the record. Why can't the league hold a press conference? Why is Goodell hiding under his desk? Have they talked to Brady yet? They hadn't when Brady was hanging in the breeze yesterday.

I ask you non Pats fans that. Are you okay with the way the league is doing this? Seriously.

To be fair they pretty much did say this already.

Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sunday’s game.

 

[General Tso]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

As I read it, paragraph one leads into paragraph two.

Once again, where is it written what the "proper pregame protocol" is? PK had this brought to his attention today and was unable to find out if gauges were used pre-game. That's kind of odd don't you think?

nope.

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.

According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

one would take from this that the footballs were inspected pre-game with a gauge and found to be within the allowable range.There's not much room for ambiguity here.

there's a lot of people that find ambiguity here. The NFL needs to clarify it. Why haven't they?

 

[Anarchy99]

A working theory discussed on talk radio was that the league was going to save the main culprits til last so they could have full information to catch NE in lies. Given that BB and TB have now gone on record as being oblivious, they are setting the pats up if they can actually uncover anything. So they appear to be going all in on one hand.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

there's a lot of people that find ambiguity here. The NFL needs to clarify it. Why haven't they?

Not really, it's just the same six people posting over and over again that makes it seem like a lot.

 

[jonessed]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

That statement is definitive. We past the point of being obtuse about it some time ago. Now it's just getting rigronkulous. The NE balls lost 2 psi between check-in and half-time. It happened. It did not happen to the Indy balls. This goes into the category of things we know.

Whether aliens let the air out it, or a rogue Colts cheerleader, or Howie Mandel, or BB we don't know.

 

[belljr]

There are a lot of lawyers and political people in this thread I bet

 

[Niles Standish]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

That statement is definitive. We past the point of being obtuse about it some time ago. Now it's just getting rigronkulous. The NE balls lost 2 psi between check-in and half-time. It happened. It did not happen to the Indy balls. This goes into the category of things we know.

Whether aliens let the air out it, or a rogue Colts cheerleader, or Howie Mandel, or BB we don't know.

That might be the case. Not sure why the NFL would let this hang if they had that info though.

If it didn't happen like you said then they really screwed the Pats over by letting this take so much time. If it did happen like you said they seem like they're trying to set up the Pats. I know Goodell hates Belichick so he'd love to get him. But it's strange that he'd screw them over like this since he likes Kraft. He could get Belichick without setting him up. Same with Brady.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

 

[The General]

It's always the coverup that gets you.

 

[amnesiac]

A working theory discussed on talk radio was that the league was going to save the main culprits til last so they could have full information to catch NE in lies. Given that BB and TB have now gone on record as being oblivious, they are setting the pats up if they can actually uncover anything. So they appear to be going all in on one hand.

interesting theory.

probably the only one that makes sense.

but outside of an admission of guilt, they still don't have any hard evidence.

 

[Bucky86]

A working theory discussed on talk radio was that the league was going to save the main culprits til last so they could have full information to catch NE in lies. Given that BB and TB have now gone on record as being oblivious, they are setting the pats up if they can actually uncover anything. So they appear to be going all in on one hand.

interesting theory.

probably the only one that makes sense.

but outside of an admission of guilt, they still don't have any hard evidence.

or soft evidence

 

[Niles Standish]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

Do you really think any fan bases are different? If so you're delusional.

 

[amnesiac]

regardless, this is either brilliant marketing by the NFL or one of the biggest #### up in sports PR ever.

 

[Niles Standish]

regardless, this is either brilliant marketing by the NFL or one of the biggest #### up in sports PR ever.

Gonna be the most watched tv event of all time. They're doing something right.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

regardless, this is either brilliant marketing by the NFL or one of the biggest #### up in sports PR ever.

Giving Goodell's track record which would you guess?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

Do you really think any fan bases are different? If so you're delusional.

Yes, I'm delusional.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

regardless, this is either brilliant marketing by the NFL or one of the biggest #### up in sports PR ever.

Giving Goodell's track record which would you guess?

Goodell (mostly) does what the owners want him to do. If they nail the Pats to the wall on this it'll be because there's at least a sub-group of owners who wanted the hide.

 

[Niles Standish]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

Do you really think any fan bases are different? If so you're delusional.

Yes, I'm delusional.

So some fan bases are all that's good and right. I'm sure your city is at the top of the list. And some are evil and horrible?

 

[KarmaPolice]

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.



According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

Exactly. Nowhere in there does it say that gauges were used pre-game. It's very possible that all 24 balls were inspected by gauges at halftime and after the game - after the issue was raised to the refs. As for "proper pregame protocol", we still don't know exactly what that is. There's a lot of speculation out there that in practice the refs sometimes do a cursory visual inspection.I don't know what the answer is, but it is very odd that the NFL or the media hasn't come out with a definitive statement on this.

That statement is definitive. We past the point of being obtuse about it some time ago. Now it's just getting rigronkulous. The NE balls lost 2 psi between check-in and half-time. It happened. It did not happen to the Indy balls. This goes into the category of things we know.

Whether aliens let the air out it, or a rogue Colts cheerleader, or Howie Mandel, or BB we don't know.

Again, has the 2psi drop been confirmed? Just the Mort report has claimed that and everybody has run with that number.

 

[Old Smiley]

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

1. Balls were tested pregame and all 24 were in the proper range.

Well that didn't take long, the balls were approved, that is the extent of all we know about that specifically.

Here's the full text from King:

The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.

Thats weird cause before King reported it, it was reported that they simply "passed inspection". Then a day later they "passed proper inspection", then King says they were between 12.5 and 13.5.Yet theres absolutely no mention from someone who would know, or someone pretending to know that they were actually checked with pressure gauges before the game. Simply that they were approved, and now King choosing to - states them as being 12.5 - 13.5.

Because why would they check for something, they never check for?

From the NFL's statement:

The investigation began based on information that suggested that the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sundays game.

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

I don't know if Run It Up is around. Does anyone have a link to the source for this? Run It Up mentions it a couple of times. I'd like to see it.

 

[moleculo]

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

1. Balls were tested pregame and all 24 were in the proper range.

Well that didn't take long, the balls were approved, that is the extent of all we know about that specifically.

Here's the full text from King:

The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.

Thats weird cause before King reported it, it was reported that they simply "passed inspection". Then a day later they "passed proper inspection", then King says they were between 12.5 and 13.5.Yet theres absolutely no mention from someone who would know, or someone pretending to know that they were actually checked with pressure gauges before the game. Simply that they were approved, and now King choosing to - states them as being 12.5 - 13.5.

Because why would they check for something, they never check for?

From the NFL's statement:

The investigation began based on information that suggested that the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sundays game.

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

I don't know if Run It Up is around. Does anyone have a link to the source for this? Run It Up mentions it a couple of times. I'd like to see it.

we are past this already.

 

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Yeah OK...

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[biju]

there's a lot of people that find ambiguity here. The NFL needs to clarify it. Why haven't they?

Not really, it's just the same six people posting over and over again that makes it seem like a lot.

This, not surprisingly, is also the same person who finds the catch rules ambiguous too even though it is exceptionally clear. I'm not shocked he found this thread.

 

[jonessed]

There really is no middle road here. You can't have a team caught cheating in games leading up to the Super Bowl walk into the Super Bowl sans punishment. That said, the NFL is really digging here and Brady's absurd denial of even the slightest knowledge leads me to believe they know there is fire.

I suppose the NFL could still come out with a slap on the wrist, but if they were going to whitewash this it would have been dead and buried by now.

 

[Old Smiley]

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

1. Balls were tested pregame and all 24 were in the proper range.

Well that didn't take long, the balls were approved, that is the extent of all we know about that specifically.

Here's the full text from King:

The 12 footballs used in the first half for New England, and the 12 footballs used by the Colts, all left the officials locker room before the game at the prescribed pressure level of between 12.5 pounds per square inch and 13.5 psi.

Thats weird cause before King reported it, it was reported that they simply "passed inspection". Then a day later they "passed proper inspection", then King says they were between 12.5 and 13.5.Yet theres absolutely no mention from someone who would know, or someone pretending to know that they were actually checked with pressure gauges before the game. Simply that they were approved, and now King choosing to - states them as being 12.5 - 13.5.

Because why would they check for something, they never check for?

From the NFL's statement:

The investigation began based on information that suggested that the game balls used by the New England Patriots were not properly inflated to levels required by the playing rules, specifically Playing Rule 2, Section 1, which requires that the ball be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch. Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sundays game.

Still seeing no mention of instruments. A ball boy and a ref have both said it's common practice to not actual measure the psi.

I don't know if Run It Up is around. Does anyone have a link to the source for this? Run It Up mentions it a couple of times. I'd like to see it.

we are past this already.

That wasn't helpful.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

Do you really think any fan bases are different? If so you're delusional.

Yes, I'm delusional.

So some fan bases are all that's good and right. I'm sure your city is at the top of the list. And some are evil and horrible?

I didn't say anything even close to that.

 

[moleculo]

That wasn't helpful.

what more do you want?

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.

According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

 

[bostonfred]

When this is all shown to be much ado about nothing, I expect nothing less than a full exoneration, public apologies, and additional picks for the inconvenience during superbowl preparation.

 

[Da Guru]

So who does everybody like in the Super Bowl? Think the Pats are going to win 27-24. Seattles secondary in a little banged up.

 

[Thunderlips]

So who does everybody like in the Super Bowl? Think the Pats are going to win 27-24. Seattles secondary in a little banged up.

I don't know....I'm not sure how Jimmy Garoppoppoppoppollo is going to contend with that SEA D.

 

[Slider]

Be some serious karma if they fumbled 3 times and Brady had a terrible game.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I've said all along that this isn't all that huge of a deal, but I'm loving how Patriot fans will go down with the ship until the bitter end. I admire their loyalty.

Bill Belichick could shoot the Pope at midfield of a sold out Gillette Stadium in front of a national TV audience and they'd all claim it wasn't him...

...Or they'd say "every team shoots the pope, so why is it such a big deal when the Pats do it, haters?"

Do you really think any fan bases are different? If so you're delusional.

Yes, I'm delusional.

So some fan bases are all that's good and right. I'm sure your city is at the top of the list. And some are evil and horrible?

I didn't say anything even close to that.

FWIW, pretty much exactly what u said\implied

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Between this ball controversy and the $89B lawsuit against them, the NFL has a lot on its plate.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

A working theory discussed on talk radio was that the league was going to save the main culprits til last so they could have full information to catch NE in lies. Given that BB and TB have now gone on record as being oblivious, they are setting the pats up if they can actually uncover anything. So they appear to be going all in on one hand.

interesting theory.probably the only one that makes sense.

but outside of an admission of guilt, they still don't have any hard evidence.

or soft evidence

"We have heresay and conjecture...those are kinds of evidence"

-Lionel Hutz

 

[Old Smiley]

That wasn't helpful.

what more do you want?

The Patriots may or may not have deliberately taken air out of the footballs they used in last Sundays AFC Championship game against the Colts. But the footballs definitely went through the proper pregame protocol and passed inspection.

According to an NFL source with direct knowledge of the situation, referee Walt Anderson inspected all 24 of the Patriots footballs with a pressure gauge supplied by the league, as well as all 24 footballs from the Colts. All 48 footballs were found to be inflated within the allowable range of 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.

I want a link to the article or webpage where, as Run It Up mentions, a referee or former referee says it was routine for the pregame inspection to be done without a meter. Whether or not these balls were put on a meter before the game is the central point of this whole stinking mess. The league has used non-wiggleproof language in the one statement they've actually had the courage to release.

If the Patriots bled the balls after they were tested (meter or not) then I'll have to say they've gone too far and they should be punished, and I'll have to think a lot less of them. I admire them and it will be painful to give up that admiration.

I want to be really darn sure before I write them off.

If you can't help me find that link, that's fine. But that's what I'm asking for, not another cowardly backdoor leak from an another unnamed source. (Which even at that has ambiguous language!) I have very, very little faith in the league right now.