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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (5 Viewers)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
what do you think he lied about? He said he hand picked the balls and took the ones he liked. He sounded shaken by people calling him a cheater but didn't sound angry or defensive. He just sounded sad.
He didn't check their psi. Would you?
Silly controversy, and sad that the greatest qb in hosiery is subjected to this nonsense.
Lol I'm leaving the typo. Auto correct strikes again.
yellowdog
Footballguy
Wonder why nobody thought of that?Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?
ragnarok628
Footballguy
So i guess Tom Brady is the only QB in the NFL who has no particular opinion on how much air is in the footballs he throws. Indeed, he can't even tell the difference, thing might as well be full of rocks for all Tom Brady cares....
Man In The Box
Footballguy
So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this? 
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The NFL needs to go after the ball boy. That is where the truth lies. Goodell isn't going to just accept what Hoodie and Brady says in a news conference. Nothing changes the fact that 11 of 12 footballs were deflated. The NFL has to get to the bottom of why that happened. Question the ball boy and get the truth.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I must need a new TV. Sounded like Brady said the Patriots believe in fair play. 
cstu
Footballguy
So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this?
He said he picks them up from a pile before the game and chooses the ones he wants. What 'all this time'?So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this?
The General
Footballguy
Tom truly knows who loves and supports him after this ordeal.
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Can't wait until the Internet takes some of these quotes out of context.
shader
Footballguy
In fairness, when 260 pound lb's are coming at you, I doubt you stop to think about what the weight of the football is.So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this?
I've played a lot of basketball in my life. Many times we will choose a ball. Once the ball is chosen, how much do I really think about that ball during the game? None. Maybe when I'm shooting around or warming up, but once the game starts, all that is out the window.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
NFL: "Did you know the balls were under-inflated?"
BB and Brady (in unison): "I don't recall."
parrot
Footballguy
Thought of what? That the weather is going to affect the balls? Many people have thought of that, but apparently all these reporters are completely unaware of it. Whether the numbers work out or not is still up for debate, but it's not debatable that the balls WOULD lose pressure. So there's no reason for them to act so incredulous that Brady wouldn't have noticed anything being off.Wonder why nobody thought of that?Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
The one thing that can be taken from this press conference is that Joe Montana is the greatest of all time.
Joe Montana - notices John Candy in the stands on a game winning drive in the super bowl.
Tom Brady - can't even tell if the football in his hand is under inflated.
END OF DEBATE!!!
Joe Montana - notices John Candy in the stands on a game winning drive in the super bowl.
Tom Brady - can't even tell if the football in his hand is under inflated.
END OF DEBATE!!!
She must be a blast at dinner time.She finally just gave up.Exactly what I was typing, lol.
for the butthurt
shader
Footballguy
So basically:
11 balls were apparently 2 lb's under-inflated at halftime, according to Chris Mortensen.
Belicheck knew nothing of it.
Brady knew nothing of it
The NFL has supposedly found no proof of anyone tampering with the balls
The NFL supposedly checked the ball before the game according to normal procedures
The NFL has not contacted Tom Brady
Sounds like another great job by the NFL in handling a potential controversy.
11 balls were apparently 2 lb's under-inflated at halftime, according to Chris Mortensen.
Belicheck knew nothing of it.
Brady knew nothing of it
The NFL has supposedly found no proof of anyone tampering with the balls
The NFL supposedly checked the ball before the game according to normal procedures
The NFL has not contacted Tom Brady
Sounds like another great job by the NFL in handling a potential controversy.
Gandalf the Grey
Footballguy
Real surprising you would think that way. The evidence that matters is the fact that almost all of the team balls were significantly deflated while the Colts balls weren't. Are you saying that's a random occurrence?
In terms of the size or importance of the issue, the ex head of Refs that comments in games seems to think it's fairly significant (assuming the balls were purposely deflated, which doesn't seem to be in question):
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24983043/mike-pereira-on-patriots-deflategate-this-is-cheating
Yesterday on ESPN, Bill Polian commented on the significance and used the analogy of "misdemeanor" vs. "felony". He felt it was clearly "felony" level for NFL purposes.
Madden and Troy Aikman both felt there was no doubt this was on Brady.
You Pats fans keep minimizing all you want, this team keeps pushing at the margins of the rules to get every small advantage.
Does that mean I think anything significant will happen? I don't know, likely not. But the fact remains the balls were changed in opposition to the rules. No idea what kind of evidence is needed-Payton got suspended for a year despite no evidence of bounty knowledge. As Aikman pointed out, Goodell's said at the time if he didn't know he should have. Maybe they will rightfully hold the organization responsible without any direct admission or evidence at that level.
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Insoxicated
JohnnyU
Footballguy
NEWSFLASH to Parrot and Yellowdog: All 12 Indy balls were pumped up to specification, so you can't play the weather card. Only the NE balls were deflated.Thought of what? That the weather is going to affect the balls? Many people have thought of that, but apparently all these reporters are completely unaware of it. Whether the numbers work out or not is still up for debate, but it's not debatable that the balls WOULD get softer. So there's no reason for them to act so incredulous that Brady wouldn't have noticed anything.Wonder why nobody thought of that?Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?
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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I guess we are going to over-inflate this supposed controversy until game day. Wonderful.
moleculo
Footballguy
I speculate they have been underinflating balls since the NFL allowed teams to doctor them up after 2007. I base that on data in this blog (currently not up, server seems to be overwhelmed). Not a chance Brady would notice a difference.
I also speculate the decision to underinflate was made by an equipment manager, and Brady/Belichick would not be aware of this.
I also speculate the decision to underinflate was made by an equipment manager, and Brady/Belichick would not be aware of this.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Nope, just a couple of draft picks, reduction in salary cap $$$, and perhaps a suspension or two will suffice.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
NE's bench is on the colder side of the stadium.NEWSFLASH to Parrot and Yellowdog: All 12 Indy balls were pumped up to specification, so you can't play the weather card. Only the NE balls were deflated.Thought of what? That the weather is going to affect the balls? Many people have thought of that, but apparently all these reporters are completely unaware of it. Whether the numbers work out or not is still up for debate, but it's not debatable that the balls WOULD get softer. So there's no reason for them to act so incredulous that Brady wouldn't have noticed anything.Wonder why nobody thought of that?Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Too many guys saying, "How did this get blown?" on all sets.
This is not a huge deal. But the cover-up is going to be the huge deal. If Brady just said hey I like it on the lower side of the PSI, and it went a little to far. guess what end of story.
This is going to come back and hurt the Patriots more since they are covering it up.
This is going to come back and hurt the Patriots more since they are covering it up.
Yes...he's concerned about laces, leather and grip...not squeezing it like a strongman trying to pop it.So Brady spends all this time making sure the footballs are perfect and doesn't notice that they're underinflated during the game? Does anyone actually believe this?
shader
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sorry to disagree, but I'm pretty sure the equipment manager wouldn't do something as stupid as affect the pressure in the balls unless Tom Brady authorizes. I know I wouldn't. That would be an ignorant thing to do.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
There's your loose end. I think the most likely scenario is that NFL brass is having some very uncomfortable conversations with all of their referees about whether this is actually a normal procedure at all... or just a technicality of the rules. Judging by that Bears video, these guys arent real well acquainted with the gauges... plus theyre getting dressed at the same time. Plus the rule itself basically infers that the teams pick out their own balls, doctor them up how they want, so why should the refs worry about the minutia of 'PSI' of all things? Give it a squeeze, make sure its not covered in stickum or something crazy, fine, good to go, its approved, back in the back, zip up my pants and out to the field.
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shader
Footballguy
typical media. Blow a story way out of proportion and then ask why it got blown out of proportion.
parrot
Footballguy
Link to the NFL - not a second or third party report - saying that?NEWSFLASH to Parrot and Yellowdog: All 12 Indy balls were pumped up to specification, so you can't play the weather card. Only the NE balls were deflated.Thought of what? That the weather is going to affect the balls? Many people have thought of that, but apparently all these reporters are completely unaware of it. Whether the numbers work out or not is still up for debate, but it's not debatable that the balls WOULD get softer. So there's no reason for them to act so incredulous that Brady wouldn't have noticed anything.Wonder why nobody thought of that?Do these idiots even understand that the weather is GOING to affect the ball pressure, it's only a question of how much?
Why did Mort, who is supposedly the guy with the supposed sources on this, feel it necessary to quote ESPN 810 Radio out of Kansas City that the Colts balls were checked? And I hate to be so reckless as to challenge ESPN 810 out of Kansas City, but why does that same report contain a major discrepancy from what everyone else is reporting, that the Patriots used different balls in the second half? I think half the "info" being circulated on this is just the media misquoting each other.
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