Patriots being investigated after Colts game (3 Viewers)

[Bad_Mo]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

This has been my theory from day 1. I believe the refs didn't do their job correctly and, much like Rodgers submitted over-inflated balls, they passed the "inspection."

If there is no written log where the refs compiled the results of each ball's psi before game and at halftime...no case. Period. If they inflated them at halftime...any evidence would have been destroyed.

This whole thing is a joke and an attempt by the former Jets executive who still is butt hurt by BB to tarnish NE's reputation. That dude needs to lose his job and be sued for libel.

 

[satch]

Hopefully the video tapes don't over-write themselves to quickly. This way they could check to see if this ball boy took the same route to the field for every home game.

They should be able to check on the tapes for some away games too.

There was a delay at the start of the game because of the NFC game. Its not unrealistic to think the kid when to chill out or use the bathroom rather than standing in the hallway. Christ, he most likely was logging on to FBG to get feedback on the NFC game and/or check Twitter.Maybe they should try to get film of what he does leading up to game time, on weekends, with his friends, etc. to see if there is a trend.

You guys are wasting your time. Pease read my post above. The explanation to this whole mess is and always was pretty simple and obvious. Aaron Rodgers comments about overinflating the balls, and that only "sometimes" the refs reject them, falls right in line with this simple explanation.

 

[GoBirds]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

He survived that because Kraft had his back.

That's a little delusional....I know you all think Kraft rules the world but most the owners had his back. A lot of those owners don't like the Patriots.

You do realize Moleculo is one of the salty haters.

So what. You guys call everyone that doesn't make excuses one.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2015/the-new-england-patriots-mysteriously-became-fumble-proof-in-2007

 

[Bayhawks]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as the report linked in this post says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant.

they did, but when checked after the game, enough time had passed that they re-acclimated to room temperature.

Remember - the officials only had 15 minutes or so to pressure-gauge 24 footballs, in addition to taking a piss and whatever else refs do at halftime. They would be under no such time constraints after the game.

Do you KNOW this, or are you assuming? What time did they re-inspect the footballs?

I find it hard to believe that the footballs will "re-acclimate" that rapidly, so unless we are talking about hours after the game, I doubt the PSI in the balls would have changed significantly.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

If this is true, it ends here. Toucher & Rich's (whoever they are) sources could be some one from the Pats here though. That's what it seems like at least - but once again who knows?

 

[shader]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

If this is true, it ends here. Toucher & Rich's (whoever they are) sources could be some one from the Pats here though. That's what it seems like at least - but once again who knows?

No one knows. But then no one knows anything. For all we know the NFL is sitting on conclusive evidence of wrongdoing. I highly doubt that is the case based on Kraft, BB and Brady's comments, but how do we know anything?

Conflicting information is leaked or reported as fact from people all over.

The NFL has supposedly tested all the ball pregame. The NFL supposedly DIDN'T test all balls pregame.

11 of the Patriots balls were 2 psi under the limit. Another source says 1 was 2psi and 10 were 1 psi under the limit.

The Colts balls were tested. When, how, why? No details.

The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one. The commissioner's office has proven over the last few years to be incompetent when it comes to these sorts of matters. They are doing themselves no favors here, as they look like a bunch of bumbling fools.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

If this is true, it ends here. Toucher & Rich's (whoever they are) sources could be some one from the Pats here though. That's what it seems like at least - but once again who knows?

No one knows. But then no one knows anything. For all we know the NFL is sitting on conclusive evidence of wrongdoing. I highly doubt that is the case based on Kraft, BB and Brady's comments, but how do we know anything?

Conflicting information is leaked or reported as fact from people all over.

The NFL has supposedly tested all the ball pregame. The NFL supposedly DIDN'T test all balls pregame.

11 of the Patriots balls were 2 psi under the limit. Another source says 1 was 2psi and 10 were 1 psi under the limit.

The Colts balls were tested. When, how, why? No details.

The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one. The commissioner's office has proven over the last few years to be incompetent when it comes to these sorts of matters. They are doing themselves no favors here, as they look like a bunch of bumbling fools.

I suspect this is a "battle of the leaks" kind of thing and that's a Pats source giving that up- assuming that is a local Boston station reporting it. I only say that because that story mirrors what Belichick said on Saturday "The team gave balls that were 1 psi under and told the refs to fill it up".

I'm not saying that its not the truth. It may very well be - but once again we'll all know when we all know.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Bottom line? All of this is caused by the refs...because they didnt do their job. Who would've thought!

 

[espnespn]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

 

[Bayhawks]

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as this report originally linked in post 4206 says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant. That would indicate that something happened to those 1st-half Patriots footballs when they were in that room.

That does not refute the bolded which is pretty much the result of the ideal gas law.

Let's see what the NFL says. Until then it's all wild speculation.

But you can keep believing every single unverified report if you would like. I'm waiting.

What unverified report are you referring to? If you believe the ideal gas law explains the 1st half Pats footballs loss of pressure as a result of temperature (and, to a lesser extend, moisture) then the same loss of pressure should have been evident when the 2nd half footballs were checked. Since the air pressure of the 2nd half balls didn't change, there must be another explanation.

 

[moleculo]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as the report linked in this post says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant.

they did, but when checked after the game, enough time had passed that they re-acclimated to room temperature.

Remember - the officials only had 15 minutes or so to pressure-gauge 24 footballs, in addition to taking a piss and whatever else refs do at halftime. They would be under no such time constraints after the game.

Do you KNOW this, or are you assuming? What time did they re-inspect the footballs?

I find it hard to believe that the footballs will "re-acclimate" that rapidly, so unless we are talking about hours after the game, I doubt the PSI in the balls would have changed significantly.

of course I don't KNOW any of this. I also don't KNOW that any balls were at 50 dF when tested at any point either. For all we know, the Pats balls and Colts balls were all at standard room temp when pressure checked, redering all ideal gas laws and the CM guys analysis wrong because T2 = T1.

No one KNOWS anything except the guys running the NFL's investigation.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one.

Why does everyone keep saying that? What have they done wrong? They aren't obligated to share any info until they have conducted their investigation.

Regarding the "leak" from yesterday, of course that is going to get out if they start asking around for the identity of some guy they have on video.

 

[ROCKET]

The Pats cheated by submitting balls to the refs that were under inflated. It doesn't matter if the refs checked them and inflated them, the intent to cheat was there. Just another in the long list of Patriots underhanded moves. BB should be banned for life Brady suspended for four years and they should lose all their draft picks for the next ten years along with a 10 million $ fine.

Also they should be made to apologize to the other coaches and owners

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Looks like the Patriots have now come out firing in response to the NFL. Since the Florio stated his sources said the Patriots handed over the bathroom video to the NFL, I'm guessing the 90 second source is from the Patriots side. This morning we have the report from local Boston sports radio guys that the refs didn't check the balls before and I'm guessing this report would also come from the Patriots side. Seems like either the organization or people close to the organization reached a point with the NFL releasing their side of info and decided to get in the game.

 

[GoBirds]

espnespn, on 27 Jan 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

12punch, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

You really think during a game teams are inflating footballs? After the ref approves them they aren't suppose to be altered and during an actual game you think a team is taking the time to do that? Wow.

 

[Bayhawks]

A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

2-That didn't re-create game conditions. They claimed they did, but they didn't. They didn't specify how long the balls were left in the higher and lower temperatures, nor is soaking a ball in a tub of water the equivalent of it being subjected to varying amounts of rain.

That being said, IF the latest report of the officials failing to actually gauge the balls pre-game is true, AND the ball-boy doesn't admit to any wrong-doing, this should be the end of the issue. But those are two big ifs that aren't definite yet.

 

[amnesiac]

The Pats cheated by submitting balls to the refs that were under inflated. It doesn't matter if the refs checked them and inflated them, the intent to cheat was there. Just another in the long list of Patriots underhanded moves. BB should be banned for life Brady suspended for four years and they should lose all their draft picks for the next ten years along with a 10 million $ fine.

Also they should be made to apologize to the other coaches and owners

you forgot about the AIDS.

 

[espnespn]

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

Not for me. Filling a ball at room temp ~70 degrees as far as everyone has said will mean a ball loses 1 PSI with the game temp. That's without rain. If the Colts balls aren't changing they did everything at outside temps. That's the problem different outcomes will occur with different IMO legal actions. Filling the balls with hot air is at minimum skirting the rules. Filling them in a 70 degree office isn't neither is filling them outside.

But let's wait for the results. There has been too much conflicting leaked information to really have any clue what the real info will be.

If the change that occurred to the Pats balls can't be explained by legal actions then I will assume it is illegal. If someone manually removed air from the balls it will be on video. From what I've heard the only time the Pats have access post inspection is on the field. You can't do anything in public without it ending up on video anymore. 95% of people have a video camera on their phone.

But, if the balls that the Patriots used in the 2nd half were stored inside during the 1st half (as this report originally linked in post 4206 says), and then the balls were tested after the game and still in compliance, that refutes the bolded.

All 24 Pat balls were checked before the game, all 24 balls were kept in the officials locker room, 10 minutes before game time, the 12 Pats balls & 12 Colts balls were given to the respective ball boys to take to the field. Supposedly, the NFL has video showing the Pats ball boy/attendant/whoever going into a separate room (a room w/out video, one would assume). After he exits this room, he brings the balls to the field. Those 12 balls (along with the Colts balls) are used in the 1st half. During half-time, 11/12 Patriots footballs are found to be under-inflated by 2 lbs PSI each. The back-up balls, which have been in the officials locker room (presumably at this 70% temperature) for the entire 1st half, are then used during the 2nd half. When these balls are checked again, after the game, after having been exposed to the same atmospheric conditions as the 1st half Patriots footballs (actually probably more extreme, as the weather was likely colder in the 2nd half), they did not experience the same PSI drop, as they were found to still be within the legal range.

So, if the Patriots balls (all 24 of them) were filled in the same room (hypothetical 70% temp), and the 2nd half balls were kept insides for the 1st half, why didn't they experience the same drop in PSI in the 2nd half as the 1st half balls did? All the variables are the same, except for the few minutes the footballs were allegedly in this room with the Pats ball-boy/attendant. That would indicate that something happened to those 1st-half Patriots footballs when they were in that room.

That does not refute the bolded which is pretty much the result of the ideal gas law.

Let's see what the NFL says. Until then it's all wild speculation.

But you can keep believing every single unverified report if you would like. I'm waiting.

What unverified report are you referring to? If you believe the ideal gas law explains the 1st half Pats footballs loss of pressure as a result of temperature (and, to a lesser extend, moisture) then the same loss of pressure should have been evident when the 2nd half footballs were checked. Since the air pressure of the 2nd half balls didn't change, there must be another explanation.

Sheesh, this is a perfect example of someone who doesn't understand the Ideal Gas Law. The Ideal Gas Law always applies to all footballs.

The air pressure of 2nd half footballs will change according to the Ideal Gas Law. Do you have any scientific proof that PSI of the 2nd half footballs didn't change?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The Pats cheated by submitting balls to the refs that were under inflated. It doesn't matter if the refs checked them and inflated them, the intent to cheat was there. Just another in the long list of Patriots underhanded moves. BB should be banned for life Brady suspended for four years and they should lose all their draft picks for the next ten years along with a 10 million $ fine.

Also they should be made to apologize to the other coaches and owners

we need a nuclear explosion smiley....so we can blow these dumb posts right off the page

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

BOSTON (CBS) The footballs used by the New England Patriots in the first half of the AFC Championship were indeed under the NFLs allowable PSI , but according to 98.5 The Sports Hubs Toucher & Rich, those footballs passed a pregame inspection by officials.

Sources told Rich that the Patriots submitted their 12 game footballs under-inflated prior to the game, but the league did not properly inspect them and approved them for the contest. Rich broke the news Tuesday morning on their broadcast from Radio Row in Arizona.

One thing that has been reported this last week, as weve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isnt always the case. As a matter of fact, from what Ive been told, many times the refs dont test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. Its never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If its a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

https://twitter.com/985thesportshub/status/560071037506031617

If this is true, it ends here. Toucher & Rich's (whoever they are) sources could be some one from the Pats here though. That's what it seems like at least - but once again who knows?

No one knows. But then no one knows anything. For all we know the NFL is sitting on conclusive evidence of wrongdoing. I highly doubt that is the case based on Kraft, BB and Brady's comments, but how do we know anything?

Conflicting information is leaked or reported as fact from people all over.

The NFL has supposedly tested all the ball pregame. The NFL supposedly DIDN'T test all balls pregame.

11 of the Patriots balls were 2 psi under the limit. Another source says 1 was 2psi and 10 were 1 psi under the limit.

The Colts balls were tested. When, how, why? No details.

The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one. The commissioner's office has proven over the last few years to be incompetent when it comes to these sorts of matters. They are doing themselves no favors here, as they look like a bunch of bumbling fools.

I suspect this is a "battle of the leaks" kind of thing and that's a Pats source giving that up- assuming that is a local Boston station reporting it. I only say that because that story mirrors what Belichick said on Saturday "The team gave balls that were 1 psi under and told the refs to fill it up".

I'm not saying that its not the truth. It may very well be - but once again we'll all know when we all know.

It may just be another innacurate leak, but it's my leak ### ####it!

 

[espnespn]

espnespn, on 27 Jan 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

12punch, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

You really think during a game teams are inflating footballs? After the ref approves them they aren't suppose to be altered and during an actual game you think a team is taking the time to do that? Wow.

I'm not saying the Colts actually re-inflated. I'm saying that a 0.1 PSI loss (as proposed by the previous poster) is impossible according to the Ideal Gas Law, unless the Colts re-inflated.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I'm listening to 98.5 now and they rn't mentioned the toucherRich tweet,,,wonder if they just made it up,,,,,,,like Mort did

 

[johnnycakes]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

 

[Run It Up]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

Yes, the Refs.

 

[shader]

The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one.

Why does everyone keep saying that? What have they done wrong? They aren't obligated to share any info until they have conducted their investigation.

Regarding the "leak" from yesterday, of course that is going to get out if they start asking around for the identity of some guy they have on video.

Because most people think they've done a horrible job?

 

[ROCKET]

Looks like the Patriots have now come out firing in response to the NFL. Since the Florio stated his sources said the Patriots handed over the bathroom video to the NFL, I'm guessing the 90 second source is from the Patriots side. This morning we have the report from local Boston sports radio guys that the refs didn't check the balls before and I'm guessing this report would also come from the Patriots side. Seems like either the organization or people close to the organization reached a point with the NFL releasing their side of info and decided to get in the game.

Good for the Pats. If you want to engage people who don't play by the rules then why should you? I love the fact that the Pats are leaking out stuff left and right now. Could the NFL have possibly botched this whole thing any worse? This is becoming a trend for them.

Even Tagliabue is firing shots at Goodell behind the scenes about being more concerned about profit and over using his power vs the players. His words speak volumes as he has 100X more credibility than Goodell ever will. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Roger's office. I predict this doesn't end well for them/him.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

I think the refs. The rule states:

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications."

So hypothetically if a ball is under-inflated at inspection, it would seem that it is the refs judgement as to whether it complies and can be used.

But once again who knows... At this point it is just unconfirmed, unnamed sourced reports flying back and forth. I don't think any real info can be trusted as any sort of fact at this point. We have numbers like 2lbs from Mort, 1lb from Florio and everything else in between.

 

[GoBirds]

Grigs Allmoon, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

shader, on 27 Jan 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:The bottom line is that the NFL has done a horrific job of handling this investigation and the Pats aren't going to let them off the hook for this one.

Why does everyone keep saying that? What have they done wrong? They aren't obligated to share any info until they have conducted their investigation.

Regarding the "leak" from yesterday, of course that is going to get out if they start asking around for the identity of some guy they have on video.

Exactly. They don't owe it to them to have an answer yet just so they Pats don't have to answer questions at the Superbowl. NFL needs to review everything, share what the find and it will be done. If Pats don't want the distraction don't have 11 of 12 balls not within regulation.

 

[johnnycakes]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

I think the refs. The rule states:

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications."

So hypothetically if a ball is under-inflated at inspection, it would seem that it is the refs judgement as to whether it complies and can be used.

But once again who knows... At this point it is just unconfirmed, unnamed sourced reports flying back and forth. I don't think any real info can be trusted as any sort of fact at this point. We have numbers like 2lbs from Mort, 1lb from Florio and everything else in between.

Well, it would seem to be perfectly legal then to present the refs with a bag full of balls inflated to 10.5psi and let the refs decide whether they are suitable or not. I agree with RKK the NFL owes the Patriots, BB, and Tom Brady an apology. And a SB win.

 

[ROCKET]

Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

 

[ROCKET]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

I think the refs. The rule states:

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications."

So hypothetically if a ball is under-inflated at inspection, it would seem that it is the refs judgement as to whether it complies and can be used.

But once again who knows... At this point it is just unconfirmed, unnamed sourced reports flying back and forth. I don't think any real info can be trusted as any sort of fact at this point. We have numbers like 2lbs from Mort, 1lb from Florio and everything else in between.

Well, it would seem to be perfectly legal then to present the refs with a bag full of balls inflated to 10.5psi and let the refs decide whether they are suitable or not. I agree with RKK the NFL owes the Patriots, BB, and Tom Brady an apology. And a SB win.

I hope the SB doesn't come down to officiating one way or the other. The Seahawks are a great team, the Pats will have to play their best to come out with a win. Even if I wasn't a fan of either team I'd be excited about the matchup.

 

[Donnybrook]

.The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

I like how the guy needs to wear a lab coat to.soak and check footballs with a gauge. Good stuff. I want to see Bill Nye the "salty hater" guy's response.

 

[GoBirds]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

 

[ROCKET]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

I think the refs. The rule states:

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications."

So hypothetically if a ball is under-inflated at inspection, it would seem that it is the refs judgement as to whether it complies and can be used.

But once again who knows... At this point it is just unconfirmed, unnamed sourced reports flying back and forth. I don't think any real info can be trusted as any sort of fact at this point. We have numbers like 2lbs from Mort, 1lb from Florio and everything else in between.

Well, it would seem to be perfectly legal then to present the refs with a bag full of balls inflated to 10.5psi and let the refs decide whether they are suitable or not. I agree with RKK the NFL owes the Patriots, BB, and Tom Brady an apology. And a SB win.

Yes perfectly legal BUT sleazy, deceitful, underhanded, (insert adjective here) and was still cheating. We know the Pats and their sketchy past so they would be the only team to even try something so low, liars, guilty etc. The NFL is just sweeping this under the rug because Goodell and Kraft are bro's.!

I'm just trying to get everyone ready for the onslaught that is coming from the inbred masses. This will be their mantra.

 

[Run It Up]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

If you stick a needle in with the needle not attached to anything it will vent air on its own. Takes some skill to deflate 12 footballs in a bag using just timing in only 90 seconds..

 

[Bayhawks]

espnespn, on 27 Jan 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

BustedKnuckles, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

12punch, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:

Chaz McNulty, on 27 Jan 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:A couple questions to the Pats fans.

If it comes out that all the Colts and Pats balls were all weighed pregame and it is found out that the Colts balls had a negligible drop of .1 psi while the Pats balls all lost 2 pounds, will you then drop the PSI angle and admit that something else must have caused the balls to deflate?

If it is found out that an equipment guy deflated the ball, would you believe he was doing it completely on his own accord if Brady and Belicheck still denied any involvement?

I'm just wondering how far the burden of proof needs to go. Do we need to find Brady with a pump needle stuck up his ### and a videotape of Belickeck giving him the pump?

I think the question is what would it take for trolls to stop trolling?

come up with 6 random hypotheticals for me --- my imagination isn't so great

Someone asked the question a couple pages back and not one Patrior fan answered. Seriously, do we need video evidence to convict.

solid ''proof'' will do

Would all the Patriots balls losing 2psi and all the Colts balls losing .1psi be solid proof that the balls were tampered with?

The amount of scientific ignorance displayed by Salty Haters is staggering. Let's recap the science:

1) Colder weather lowers PSI. This is a scientific fact. How much PSI is lost, depends on the temperature difference.

2) We have video proof from at least one scientific group that an average of 1.8 PSI is lost when they recreated game conditions (25 degree drop in football temperature, in rain)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg

Unless the Colts footballs started at different temperatures or at different PSI, they should lose the same amount of PSI as the Patriots footballs: if the Colts footballs only lost 0.1 PSI instead of the 1.8 PSI predicted by science, that would be evidence that the Colts re-inflated their balls, not evidence that the Patriots deflated their balls. Otherwise, the Colts footballs would violate the Ideal Gas Law, which is scientifically impossible! The Patriots balls losing 1.8 PSI are consistent with the science.

PS. We have video evidence from HeadSmart that proves footballs can lose 1.8 PSI. Seriously, what more do we need to convince Salty Haters that science explains the Patriots football PSI drop?

You really think during a game teams are inflating footballs? After the ref approves them they aren't suppose to be altered and during an actual game you think a team is taking the time to do that? Wow.

I'm not saying the Colts actually re-inflated. I'm saying that a 0.1 PSI loss (as proposed by the previous poster) is impossible according to the Ideal Gas Law, unless the Colts re-inflated.

While you may be correct, the Ideal Gas law using Kelvin to measure temperature, not Fahrenheit. So, the 33% (approximated) change in temperature (according to degrees in Fahrenheit) is actually about a 4.5% change, according to Kelvin degrees. Someone with more knowledge than I of the Ideal Gas Law would have to do the math to see what PSI change would result.

 

[ROCKET]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

So you can't come up with a logical approximate time it would take for someone to deflate 12 balls in a bathroom? If the guy had 90 seconds from the time he opened the door to the time he came out that would (by my math) leave him roughly 7 seconds per ball?

Sound plausible to you?

 

[pizzatyme]

 

[Donnybrook]

Where is the video of the Colts ball boy?

 

[mbuehner]

Where is the video of the Colts ball boy?

The home team provides all the ball boys.

 

[ROCKET]

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[GoBirds]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

GoBirds, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

So you can't come up with a logical approximate time it would take for someone to deflate 12 balls in a bathroom? If the guy had 90 seconds from the time he opened the door to the time he came out that would (by my math) leave him roughly 7 seconds per ball?

Sound plausible to you?

http://www.mademan.com/mm/how-deflate-football.html

I mean I definitely couldn't do it that quick, but its not exactly rocket science. Also are we to assume this would be the 1st time he did this? Stick a needle/paperclip in and squeeze. I don't know if its possible or not as I mentioned I've never tried it but it's definitely worth investigating you know?

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I'm sure Kraft, Belichick and Brady have all staked their reputations on a ball boy not cracking in one of the biggest sports stories of all-time. They obviously trust the kid the kid completely, after all they leave it to him to get Brady's balls feeling perfect. Additionally, they turned over the video to the NFL showing him going in the can to deflated the balls in a time period quicker than I can drop a log and get off a single wipe.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

So you can't come up with a logical approximate time it would take for someone to deflate 12 balls in a bathroom? If the guy had 90 seconds from the time he opened the door to the time he came out that would (by my math) leave him roughly 7 seconds per ball?

Sound plausible to you?

Not gonna debate whether or not he deflated the balls in 90 seconds or try to analyze how long it would take to do so. People have presented opinions and info saying it would be possible to do so but I think the question would be why?

For arguments sake, let's assume he was going into the bathroom to deflate the balls as he has done numerous times before. Why would he need to do so at some break neck record pace? If he did it before and it was common there was no need to think he was being followed like he was a CIA agent in Russia or that he had to do so in under 90 seconds. It's a bit weird to presume the Patriots were running some high end Ocean's 11 type ball deflation operation that required precision timing. If they did tamper with the balls it probably wasn't done in 90 seconds in a bathroom, it was done somewhere else.

I'm guessing the kid went to go the bathroom. This isn't to say the balls were not deflated by him before or after or by someone else just that he probably didn't do it in the bathroom in 90 seconds.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Each team is responsible for supplying footballs... who is responsible for inflating them properly? Has that been addressed?

I think the refs. The rule states:

"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications."

So hypothetically if a ball is under-inflated at inspection, it would seem that it is the refs judgement as to whether it complies and can be used.

But once again who knows... At this point it is just unconfirmed, unnamed sourced reports flying back and forth. I don't think any real info can be trusted as any sort of fact at this point. We have numbers like 2lbs from Mort, 1lb from Florio and everything else in between.

Responsibility to judge is not the same as responsibility to comply. The refs are also the sole judge as to whether players commit on-field violations, that doesn't make it the refs' responsibility to prevent guys from pulling each other down by the facemask. The teams/players are still the ones committing the violation, whether that's a personal foul in violation of NFL rules or use of improper game balls in violation of NFL rules. Not getting caught doesn't mean you didn't break the rules, it just means you might be spared from punishment.

 

[Niles Standish]

This thread is hilarious. Roger Goodell isn't going anywhere (except to the Super Bowl).

Yeah seriously, no chance Goodell goes anywhere. I don't think he is worried about a bunch of Pats fans on a message board sorry. Any other sports station you turn on thinks the Pats are guilty. If you don't want the NFL investigating you then don't have 11 of 12 balls at illegal size.

Kraft is, from what I understand, Godells biggest advocate. If Kraft no longer has his back, I could see Godell being forced out rather quickly. Hell, half the league wants him out anyways because of the Ray Rice thing, the handling of the concussion stuff, and all of the other misc. arbitrary punishments.

Think about the Ray Rice uproar nationwide when that video got out. If he survived that this won't even be a blip on his radar.

He survived that because Kraft had his back.

That's a little delusional....I know you all think Kraft rules the world but most the owners had his back. A lot of those owners don't like the Patriots.

You do realize Moleculo is one of the salty haters.

So what. You guys call everyone that doesn't make excuses one.

You're calling a guy out who doesn't like the Pats for being blinded by his love for them. That's all. Doesn't mean you have to agree with him, but he's not blinded by his love for all things Pats like you implied.

 

[mbuehner]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

So you can't come up with a logical approximate time it would take for someone to deflate 12 balls in a bathroom? If the guy had 90 seconds from the time he opened the door to the time he came out that would (by my math) leave him roughly 7 seconds per ball?

Sound plausible to you?

The problem is the logistics of opening the bag, pulling out a ball, deflating, setting on the floor (you dont want to risk deflating the same ball twice), getting the next ball, repeat 11 times, then stuffing them back into the bag without balls rolling all over the place, all in 90 seconds.

You'd almost surely need accomplices, which if this was what the Pats schemed to do, why not have a couple guys waiting in the bathroom to execute it. The video would tell that story. Maybe it did, but you'd think that would have been leaked for sure.

 

[ROCKET]

ROCKET, on 27 Jan 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:Almost forgot to ask: When someone finds a video of some guy going into a bathroom with a bag of balls and deflating 12 balls 2 psi in 90 seconds please link. TIA.

That's what I think will save them...no way there is a camera in a 1 stall bathroom so there will never be absolute proof.

Honestly not sure about how hard it is to deflate.....I assume you just stick the needle in and squeeze some air out? I only have inflated my balls.

So you can't come up with a logical approximate time it would take for someone to deflate 12 balls in a bathroom? If the guy had 90 seconds from the time he opened the door to the time he came out that would (by my math) leave him roughly 7 seconds per ball?

Sound plausible to you?

Not gonna debate whether or not he deflated the balls in 90 seconds or try to analyze how long it would take to do so. People have presented opinions and info saying it would be possible to do so but I think the question would be why?

For arguments sake, let's assume he was going into the bathroom to deflate the balls as he has done numerous times before. Why would he need to do so at some break neck record pace? If he did it before and it was common there was no need to think he was being followed like he was a CIA agent in Russia or that he had to do so in under 90 seconds.

I'm guessing the kid went to go the bathroom. This isn't to say the balls were not deflated by him before or after or by someone else just that he probably didn't do it in the bathroom in 90 seconds.

I'll debate it, couldn't be done by 99.9% of the population. It's not like we have Chriss Angel here. You are right, why would he hurry to try and set a Guiness Record and not just take his time and get them perfect. It's not like they suspected anyone would ever know or was watching anyways. If this is the lynch pin for the prosecution they are even dumber than I thought. And that is saying a lot.

 

[mbuehner]

Patriots ball boy right now:

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