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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)

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Any guesses on the punishment that will be handed down? Funny that this comes out a week AFTER the draft where you can't punish them with draft picks.

 
wdcrob said:
“Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady [the quarterback for the Patriots] was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.”
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This sentence seems incredibly reckless.

 
Run It Up said:
wdcrob said:
Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady [the quarterback for the Patriots] was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
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This sentence seems incredibly reckless.
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Yeah it's silly. Thanks for investigating and then providing opinions, NFL.

 
Even if its a $5million fine, seems like chump change for a SB victory, whatever it takes right?

unreal.

Hope history judges these wins like mcguire and sosa..

 
The issue I have in any investigation like this one is it looks at only what went on for one team. What about the other 31 teams? What was the stance of both the league, enforcing or ignoring the rules, and what the refs did or didn't do over time? If football inflation was effectively a "don't care" for decades, then how can the league then go nuts after the fact?

 
Love the Pat's nut lickers on twitter. "Who cares!?!?" Does it really matter what level of cheating it was? They cheated...again...and were caught...again. That's why.

 
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft issued the following statement Wednesday regarding the Wells report:

“When I addressed the media at the Super Bowl on January 26 -- over 14 weeks ago -- I stated that I unconditionally believed that the New England Patriots had done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of the NFL rules and that I was disappointed in the way the league handled the initial investigation. That sentiment has not changed.

“I was convinced that Ted Wells’ investigation would find the same factual evidence supported by both scientific formula and independent research as we did and would ultimately exonerate the Patriots. Based on the explanations I have heard and the studies that have been done, I don’t know how the science of atmospheric conditions can be refuted or how conclusions to the contrary can be drawn without some definitive evidence.

“What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts’ four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level. As far as we are aware, there is no comparable data available from any other game because, in the history of the NFL, psi levels of footballs have never been measured at halftime, in any climate. If they had been, based on what we now know, it is safe to assume that every cold-weather game was played with under-inflated footballs. As compelling a case as the Wells Report may try to make, I am going to rely on the factual evidence of numerous scientists and engineers rather than inferences from circumstantial evidence.

“Throughout the process of this nearly four-month investigation, we have cooperated and patiently awaited its outcome. To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement. In addition, given our level of cooperation throughout the process, I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview. What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer.

“While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.”

 
In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as “the deflator” and stated that he was “not going to espn……..yet.” On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: You working

Jastremski: Yup

McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator 7

McNally: Chill buddy im just ####in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

Those text messages are a MUST read!

:lmao:

 
Anarchy99 said:
The issue I have in any investigation like this one is it looks at only what went on for one team. What about the other 31 teams? What was the stance of both the league, enforcing or ignoring the rules, and what the refs did or didn't do over time? If football inflation was effectively a "don't care" for decades, then how can the league then go nuts after the fact?
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:shrug: They investigated the Colts balls for that game and the Pats balls were deflating at an average pressure drop of .42 to 1.02 psi more than theirs.

 
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Reading through the report, starting with the section about the AFC championship game. They are making it seem like MckNally is the shadiest person to have ever worked for the NFL, at least thats how it reads.

 
Sportsbook.com ® ‏@Sportsbook_com 3m3 minutes ago

Sportsbook.com ® retweeted Sportsbook.com ®

Also suspended every other Patriots game line we had open for regular season, and AFC East odds This is big folks!

Sportsbook.com ® added,

Sportsbook.com ® @Sportsbook_com In the last 10 mins we took a bunch of Steelers +6.5 bets with some believing Tom Brady could be suspended https://twitter.com/Sportsbook_com/status/596008811426525184 …

 
Going to offer a reward for the most delusional fan defense of the Patriots starting from post #6934.

Begin.

 
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Steelers4Life said:
In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as the deflator and stated that he was not going to espn..yet. On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: You working

Jastremski: Yup

McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator 7

McNally: Chill buddy im just ####in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

Those text messages are a MUST read!

:lmao:
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For Petes sake. Where can I read all these?

Pats fans, my suggestion:

Own it. Say "yeah they cheated. Who cares? Kiss the ring."

Going full ITS is the only way to go here.

 
massraider said:
Steelers4Life said:
In addition to the messages described above, before the start of the 2014-15 season, McNally referred to himself as the deflator and stated that he was not going to espn..yet. On May 9, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:

McNally: You working

Jastremski: Yup

McNally: Nice dude....jimmy needs some kicks....lets make a deal.....come on help the deflator 7

McNally: Chill buddy im just ####in with you ....im not going to espn........yet

Those text messages are a MUST read!

:lmao:
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For Petes sake. Where can I read all these?

Pats fans, my suggestion:

Own it. Say "yeah they cheated. Who cares? Kiss the ring."

Going full ITS is the only way to go here.
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https://nfllabor.fil...-championsh.pdf

 
SacramentoBob said:
Going to offer a reward for the most delusional fan defense of the Patriots starting from post #6934.

Begin.
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I expect a few true believers to flip, but for many anything short of a confession will not be good enough.

And even then, there will be some that will insist such a confession (if it ever happens) was coerced. :doh:

 
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Anarchy99 said:
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft issued the following statement Wednesday regarding the Wells report:

When I addressed the media at the Super Bowl on January 26 -- over 14 weeks ago -- I stated that I unconditionally believed that the New England Patriots had done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of the NFL rules and that I was disappointed in the way the league handled the initial investigation. That sentiment has not changed.

I was convinced that Ted Wells investigation would find the same factual evidence supported by both scientific formula and independent research as we did and would ultimately exonerate the Patriots. Based on the explanations I have heard and the studies that have been done, I dont know how the science of atmospheric conditions can be refuted or how conclusions to the contrary can be drawn without some definitive evidence.

What is not highlighted in the text of the report is that three of the Colts four footballs measured by at least one official were under the required psi level. As far as we are aware, there is no comparable data available from any other game because, in the history of the NFL, psi levels of footballs have never been measured at halftime, in any climate. If they had been, based on what we now know, it is safe to assume that every cold-weather game was played with under-inflated footballs. As compelling a case as the Wells Report may try to make, I am going to rely on the factual evidence of numerous scientists and engineers rather than inferences from circumstantial evidence.

Throughout the process of this nearly four-month investigation, we have cooperated and patiently awaited its outcome. To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement. In addition, given our level of cooperation throughout the process, I was offended by the comments made in the Wells Report in reference to not making an individual available for a follow-up interview. What the report fails to mention is that he had already been interviewed four times and we felt the fifth request for access was excessive for a part-time game day employee who has a full-time job with another employer.

While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.
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Is the bolded true?

 
Interesting read so far.

Starting at page 89 there are some interesting texts about the Game Ball used when Brady passed for 50,000 yards.

 
Pats fan here. And this kinda sucks. But I am now over it. Hope they fix the system so Brady can't under-inflate and Rodgers can't over-inflate etc

 
At various points in the investigation, counsel for the Patriots questioned theintegrity and objectivity of game officials, various NFL executives and certain NFL Security

representatives present at the AFC Championship Game or otherwise involved in the

investigative process.
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I wonder if they called them salty haters?

 
You guys really think this proves anything? Look, the business of ethics is... ethics in business, ethics, business...

ARGHHHH!!!!!

 
From the Report:

Based on the evidence developed in connection with the investigation and summarized in this Report, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the NFL Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate attempt to circumvent those rules. In particular, we conclude that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally and John Jastremski participated in a deliberate plan to circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game. We believe that McNally and Jastremski were aware that the inflation level of the Patriots game balls following pre-game inspection by the game officials would be approximately 12.5 psi and planned for McNally to deflate the balls below that level following the pre-game inspection using a needle provided by Jastremski. Based on the evidence, we also have concluded that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
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Pg 132, they found no evidence to support claims that the K-Balls were ever tampered with. So the Ravens thing was bull####.

I think its odd that they believe the K-Balls were not tampered with, which essentially allows for the only contributor to the feel of the K-Balls for the games in question to be the weather. But completely discredit the atmospheric conditions for the game balls.

 
rick6668 said:
From the Report:

Based on the evidence developed in connection with the investigation and summarized in this Report, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the NFL Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate attempt to circumvent those rules. In particular, we conclude that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally and John Jastremski participated in a deliberate plan to circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game. We believe that McNally and Jastremski were aware that the inflation level of the Patriots game balls following pre-game inspection by the game officials would be approximately 12.5 psi and planned for McNally to deflate the balls below that level following the pre-game inspection using a needle provided by Jastremski. Based on the evidence, we also have concluded that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
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More:

During his interview, Brady denied any knowledge of or involvement in any efforts to deflate game balls after the pre-game inspection by the game officials. He claimed that prior to the events surrounding the AFC Championship Game, he did not know McNally‟s name or anything about McNally‟s game-day responsibilities, including whether McNally had any role relating to game balls or the game officials. We found these claims not plausible and contradicted by other evidence. In fact, during his interview, Jastremski acknowledged that Brady knew McNally and McNally‟s role as Officials Locker Room attendant. Similarly, McNally told NFL Security that he had been personally told by Brady of Brady‟s inflation level preference. 130 As discussed above, Brady‟s refusal to provide us with his own emails, text messages and phone records on relevant topics, in response to our narrowly tailored requests, limited the evidence available for our review and analysis. We believe that our findings are nevertheless supported by the evidence and information available to us during the course of our work.
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Run It Up said:
Pg 132, they found no evidence to support claims that the K-Balls were ever tampered with. So the Ravens thing was bull####.

I think its odd that they believe the K-Balls were not tampered with, which essentially allows for the only contributor to the feel of the K-Balls for the games in question to be the weather. But completely discredit the atmospheric conditions for the game balls.
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Ok, but "tampering" doesnt seem to be the issue there, p.45:

The message from Sullivan also included an express request that the Colts be permitted during the AFC
Championship Game to use kicking balls that Sullivan would break in. The email referenced as the basis for the
request information said to come from the Baltimore Ravens that Ravens players had not been provided with
Ravens-prepared kicking balls during the divisional playoff game. As discussed in Section IX, it was ultimately
agreed that the Patriots would use kicking balls prepared by Jastremski and the Colts would use kicking balls
prepared by Sullivan.

 
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Tango said:
Run It Up said:
Pg 132, they found no evidence to support claims that the K-Balls were ever tampered with. So the Ravens thing was bull####.

I think its odd that they believe the K-Balls were not tampered with, which essentially allows for the only contributor to the feel of the K-Balls for the games in question to be the weather. But completely discredit the atmospheric conditions for the game balls.
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Ok, but "tampering" doesnt seem to be the issue there, p.45:

The message from Sullivan also included an express request that the Colts be permitted during the AFC
Championship Game to use kicking balls that Sullivan would break in. The email referenced as the basis for the
request information said to come from the Baltimore Ravens that Ravens players had not been provided with
Ravens-prepared kicking balls during the divisional playoff game. As discussed in Section IX, it was ultimately
agreed that the Patriots would use kicking balls prepared by Jastremski and the Colts would use kicking balls
prepared by Sullivan.
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Teams don't prepare kicking balls, the officials do.

The Ravens claim was that the K-Balls were soft, and thus didn't travel as far.

 
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