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Patriots could be in trouble all over again... (2 Viewers)
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Big_Russel
Footballguy
The tapes were NOT used for any in-game advantage... wow, ESPN is not going to like that little factoid.
twitch
Footballguy
Agreed. He's getting grilled right now.
twitch
Footballguy
Yes, followed up by he's "never believed" Bill Belichick's stance on that issue. Little bit of a light slap in the face there. Thanks, commish. This guy's getting it from all angles right now.
Big Daddy Kane
Footballguy
This outcome was expected.
Kraft family has already paid off Matt Walsh.
Walsh meets with Goodell and Goodell says no new "competitive" violations.
Matt Walsh flies out to the Bahamas this evening where his new home, and offshore bank account await him, compliments of the Kraft family.
Kraft family has already paid off Matt Walsh.
Walsh meets with Goodell and Goodell says no new "competitive" violations.
Matt Walsh flies out to the Bahamas this evening where his new home, and offshore bank account await him, compliments of the Kraft family.
Workhorse
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I was thinking the same thing. What a coup if the Pats actually got this guy to come out of the wood work supposedly with an ax to grind only to have him basically back their story. That would be beautiful. Probably would only cost low 7 figures. Couple mill to make it all go away?
Big Daddy Kane
Footballguy
Not crying, hardly. I'm actually laughing. Since February, the Pats have lost the Superbowl, and thei public image will never be the same again. Hilarious.
It definitely sounds like the Patriots influenced him. I'm guessing that they told him that they wouldn't take any legal actions against him and gave him a lofty sum. Then they told him to turn over the tapes that weren't damaging, go talk to Goodell, but don't tell him anything he doesn't already know.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I'm sure that Belichick is losing sleep over it.Enjoy the 2008 season. I know I will.Not crying, hardly. I'm actually laughing. Since February, the Pats have lost the Superbowl, and thei public image will never be the same again. Hilarious.
twitch
Footballguy
Too bad the Cowboys couldnt have "paid off" those refs in that New England game while they were getting their backsides handed to them from a team that wasnt allowed to tape them that caused you to disappear for 8 months. Get over it.
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Workhorse
Footballguy
Took less than an hour for them to start (above).Enjoy the toolfest.Who would have thought that Walsh would have been the one to clear the Pats name?Thank god this is over, and we can all move on to the next conspiracy theory.
switz
Footballguy
I don't believe the live feed was happening. But I do believe they fed the data into a computer and had Adams evaluate it. He does have a photographic memory, and is an incredible statistician. Whether that happened in game or not is debatable. But it really does not take as much as some here think it would to create a definite advantage with the data on the film. More than a novice would be able to do, but we aren't talking about novices. These guys have film breakdowns already in place, tendencies mapped, and all they need to do is evaluate in game decisions and plays in view of previously collected data.Funny thing is, none of that has anything to do with stealing signals at all.Seems like a HUGE stretch. Have you seen the video? It's shaky handycam type stuff. I highly doubt that was live digital video fed into a system. To say nothing of "photographic memories" and the like.That is an entirely different story
Still, I don't doubt every other team in the league would try it if they had the personnel in place to make it worthwhile.
switz
Footballguy
Just a quick note on this - there are TONS of handheld DIGITAL video recorders, you can buy them at any store. I'm not sure what the quality of the video has to do with whether it's analog or digital. That has nothing to do with the quality.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Walsh negotiated with the league that the Pats would not be able to take any legal action against him. Which I think is the perfect cover to make his testimony seem legit!?!?!
mdog1967
Footballguy
Moon landing faked? you guys drinking or just reading the National Enquirer. ITS OVER, GET OVER IT and quit crying. The only tool factor I see as some one posted, are from the last gasping breaths of the Pat Haters.
Big Daddy Kane
Footballguy
So Matt Walsh was a scout for the Pats during the Rams' walk-through.
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Workhorse
Footballguy
According to Walsh, it's not debatable at all. He said that he was in possession of the tape during the entire game and turned the tapes in afterwards.As for those end zone tapes showing the plays? TOTALLY legal. Lots of teams do this.I don't believe the live feed was happening. But I do believe they fed the data into a computer and had Adams evaluate it. He does have a photographic memory, and is an incredible statistician. Whether that happened in game or not is debatable. But it really does not take as much as some here think it would to create a definite advantage with the data on the film. More than a novice would be able to do, but we aren't talking about novices. These guys have film breakdowns already in place, tendencies mapped, and all they need to do is evaluate in game decisions and plays in view of previously collected data.Funny thing is, none of that has anything to do with stealing signals at all.Seems like a HUGE stretch. Have you seen the video? It's shaky handycam type stuff. I highly doubt that was live digital video fed into a system. To say nothing of "photographic memories" and the like.That is an entirely different storyTo be honest, though... if this data is being fed live into a shared system, these films could be merged within minutes of the filming, then they could have staff deciphering the film DURIGN the first half, and present it to the coaches during half time for use during the second half. Especially with a guy with a photographic memory, and a statistical genius evaluating the data. Honestly, if that's what they were doing (and I really do believe they were) it is brilliant - but illegal.
Still, I don't doubt every other team in the league would try it if they had the personnel in place to make it worthwhile.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
So the Kraft family opens their wallet and spends millions of dollars to keep a guy who had nothing on them quiet? And you think that is logical? Good detective work there Columbo.
Workhorse
Footballguy
He was there legally, in Patriots gear, and was never asked to leave by anyone.Non-story.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
twitch
Footballguy
Some of these guys are waiting for their hero Arlen to come to the rescue and have the last word. Close to being over. But you know there will be other thoughts on the subject. We've weathered the worst of it. But the 'eye' of the storm is only just about to hit. If we didnt live in a strong house, I might be worried. As it stands, based on the information we've heard and seen, we'll probably only be bothered a little more.
Big_Russel
Footballguy
It doesn't??
mdog1967
Footballguy
Scott Bryant
Footballguy
This will always be a black cloud over the Patriot's organization no matter how much you try to convince yourself it is not. If your so-called "victory" today helps you erase the sting of the SuperBowl loss, so be it. I enjoyed the outcome of the Superbowl very much. Justice prevailed on the gridiron, not with the league office in this case.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
And a hearty welcome to our newest member!
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switz
Footballguy
Not really. In the context of it being a handheld video recorder, the "quality" is dependent on the film tech. Whether it's analog or digital is not going to make a difference. Plus, from looking at the film, you wouldn't be able to discern whether it was digital or analog.It doesn't??
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twitch
Footballguy
By 'black cloud' you mean the voices of people like yourself, then youre right. It'll never go away. And Im pretty sure everyone involved will learn to live with that Himalayan-sized concern.
No surprise, but it looks like the Boston Herald really screwed up on their original story. Walsh may have been at the walkthrough, but wasn't taping it.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Herald's story will be that Walsh was not the one behind the Rams walktrhough and they have another mystery, unnamed source that has possession of the walk through tape.
Tomase is a pretty good reporter, he attributed the claim to an unnamed source.I wouldn't be surprised if Walsh was the source or if Walsh claimed/lead the reporter to believe that there was a tape.
Walsh doesn't come out of this looking like much of a standup guy.
He obviously had his differences with the Pats organization, had an axe to grind, and was looking for the media attention on this whole thing. Letting Tomase write/believe something that would further damage NE wouldn't bother Walsh at all.
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Scott Bryant
Footballguy
I, along with most on this board, can clearly see that Goodell is only attempting damage control and intends not to punish the Patriots further regardless of what else is revealed. Goodell clearly stumbled when he offered no direct answer as to whether he knew this taping went back to 2000 when he levied the initial punishment. Nevertheless, sports fans know the Patriots didn't win all of their games straight-up and that stigma will surround the organization from here on out.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
yeah, your big brother may run this joint, but he's gonna' off you in a couple of minutes.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
Huh? Nothing he has said has been really inflammatory. It just echoes what a lot of NFL fans think.yeah, your big brother may run this joint, but he's gonna' off you in a couple of minutes.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Hey, you're the one rooting for the cheaters. Can I get you 18 beers and an empty shot glass?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart...Huh? Nothing he has said has been really inflammatory. It just echoes what a lot of NFL fans think.yeah, your big brother may run this joint, but he's gonna' off you in a couple of minutes.
twitch
Footballguy
can I join this cool little club, too? I'll play nice. promise.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Wow. I've had all of this earth-shattering revelation I can stand.
I'm switching channels. I think Geraldo is opening a vault on another channel.
I just hope the Kraft family hasn't tampered with it too!
Can someone let me know when they show the grassy noll footage Walsh has been hanging onto for the last 40+ years.
I'm switching channels. I think Geraldo is opening a vault on another channel.
I just hope the Kraft family hasn't tampered with it too!
Can someone let me know when they show the grassy noll footage Walsh has been hanging onto for the last 40+ years.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Three things that have become apparent in the past few hours:1.) John Tomase had better start looking for a new job.
2.) The Patriots legacy isn't tainted.
3.) Posters like phthalatemagic, bigsteelthrill, jonessed and the fanatic are gonna have to come up with some new schtick.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I think Goodells press conference speaks for itself. For better and worse.No real surprises today. Some people did "want" more punishment, but they were mistaken thinking more might come of this.
The previous penalties and the whole episode carrying on for 9 months and into the foreseeable future is plenty of punishment for the cheating performed.
