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David Yudkin

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Pats moves

By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff November 27, 07 05:45 PM

Four Patriots moves to pass along today:

The Patriots announced that receiver Troy Brown has been activated off the physically unable to perform list.

The team waived rookie defensive lineman Kareem Brown to make room for Troy Brown.

Outside linebacker Rosevelt Colvin has been placed on season-ending injured resverve.

The team has signed veteran linebacker Chad Brown.

 
Colvin is the first significant loss this year for the Patriots, IMO. Sammy Morris was contributing, no doubt, but the offense keeps rolling without him. Colvin is an impact player at the key position in the 3-4 defense and there is little depth to replace him. Adalius Thomas can probably move outside for most snaps the rest of the way and play well there but that leaves Tedy Bruschi, Junior Seau, and (presumably) Chad Brown at ILB. That is a veteran but very long in the tooth rotation. I wonder if any of the young guys like Eric Alexander or Pierre Woods are ready to step up and contribute.

Bummer.

 
Tough losing Colvin. He's a quality veteran who has two-three games a year where he can really dominate. The Pats can withstand this loss but if they get another injury at LB they will have some exposure. Unless someone like Woods unexpectedly steps up there's not much after Thomas-Vrabel-Junior-Bruschi.

As for the other moves...if Troy can play like he did last year he'll contribute. He'll be in a situation where he'll probably never see a top three CB opposite him. I also would not be surprised to see him on the defensive-side of the ball as he can't be any worse than what Eddie Jackson looked like on Sunday. Kareem Brown getting waived is somewhat of a surprise. Didn't expect to see him get much time this year but thought he'd still hang around as they did invest a fourth round pick in him. As for Chad Brown he has yet to show anything whenever he's had a Patriot uni on.

 
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.

 
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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Seau, Bruschi, Vrabel, Chad Brown, is this the NFLPA retirement cousel or the NE LB corp?
 
PahtyTom said:
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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I don't think their LB core can withstand it, no. Don't you think depth and lack of athleticism at LB is a huge issue? This isn't going to help. We'll be seeing a lot more of the 4-3.
 
Bill Lust said:
PahtyTom said:
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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I don't think their LB core can withstand it, no. Don't you think depth and lack of athleticism at LB is a huge issue? This isn't going to help. We'll be seeing a lot more of the 4-3.
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What do you mean by that? They're going to lose because of it?
 
It is a big loss for the Patriots def, but instead of the Patriots scoring 40pts a game, Brady and company will probably put up 50pts a game now.

 
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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Adalius Thomas will play in Colvin's spot. Thomas is a natural OLB and has looked much better there than at ILB. The season-starting rotation of Thomas, Bruschi and Seau at ILB had been pared down greatly before Colvin got hurt, with Bruschi and Seau getting most of the ILB reps as teams apparently found something on tape that showed a weakness in Thomas' inside play. As a starting four, there will be no dropoff with Thomas playing for Colvin.The problem comes with depth, considering Thomas and Vrabel have been dinged up a bit and going full-time with Bruschi and Seau in the middle might be much for them to handle. I expect to see this new starting four on the field for 1st and 2nd downs, but on 3rd and long there will be more nickel to spell either Bruschi or Seau, or Thomas will move inside on those downs to give one of them a rest and Chad Brown or Pierre Woods will take his spot at OLB.
 
pats3in4 said:
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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Adalius Thomas will play in Colvin's spot. Thomas is a natural OLB and has looked much better there than at ILB. The season-starting rotation of Thomas, Bruschi and Seau at ILB had been pared down greatly before Colvin got hurt, with Bruschi and Seau getting most of the ILB reps as teams apparently found something on tape that showed a weakness in Thomas' inside play. As a starting four, there will be no dropoff with Thomas playing for Colvin.The problem comes with depth, considering Thomas and Vrabel have been dinged up a bit and going full-time with Bruschi and Seau in the middle might be much for them to handle. I expect to see this new starting four on the field for 1st and 2nd downs, but on 3rd and long there will be more nickel to spell either Bruschi or Seau, or Thomas will move inside on those downs to give one of them a rest and Chad Brown or Pierre Woods will take his spot at OLB.
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Good analysis. We'll probably see more 4-3 but I'm sure they will primarily remain in the 3-4 base.
 
I keep reading "huge" loss....how big of a loss are we talking about? Are we talking about the type of loss Dwight Freeney was to Indy, does this balance it out in terms of defensive hits?

I don't know as much about Colvin other than I knew he was having a solid year. I know Dwight Freeney and know what he did for that team which is why I'd label that a huge loss.

 
greenline said:
pats3in4 said:
Bill Lust said:
Colvin is a huge loss, and I am not sure they can withstand it. They are now even slower at LB than they were before. Maybe Woods is ready, but if he was he probably would have played by now.
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Adalius Thomas will play in Colvin's spot. Thomas is a natural OLB and has looked much better there than at ILB. The season-starting rotation of Thomas, Bruschi and Seau at ILB had been pared down greatly before Colvin got hurt, with Bruschi and Seau getting most of the ILB reps as teams apparently found something on tape that showed a weakness in Thomas' inside play. As a starting four, there will be no dropoff with Thomas playing for Colvin.The problem comes with depth, considering Thomas and Vrabel have been dinged up a bit and going full-time with Bruschi and Seau in the middle might be much for them to handle. I expect to see this new starting four on the field for 1st and 2nd downs, but on 3rd and long there will be more nickel to spell either Bruschi or Seau, or Thomas will move inside on those downs to give one of them a rest and Chad Brown or Pierre Woods will take his spot at OLB.
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Good analysis. We'll probably see more 4-3 but I'm sure they will primarily remain in the 3-4 base.
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Might see more of their big nickel as well, with Harrison moving up and playing a pseudo LB position. Especially if they continue to keep leads in games.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I keep reading "huge" loss....how big of a loss are we talking about? Are we talking about the type of loss Dwight Freeney was to Indy, does this balance it out in terms of defensive hits?I don't know as much about Colvin other than I knew he was having a solid year. I know Dwight Freeney and know what he did for that team which is why I'd label that a huge loss.
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It's a loss. I don't know that it is on the same caliber as losing Freeney. I guess I've watched the Patriots under the BB regime lose lots of key players and plug others in and still be successful. Rosie Colvin is a real good pass rusher in the 3-4 so I think it will suffer there a little. Obviously the bigger deal is the number of reps Brushi and Seau would see and so far they have been essentially splitting time so I don't see how this would work unless they start using Eric Alexander (MLB) or Pierre Woods (OLB) a little more. They just signed Chad Brown so he may fit into the mix but I just don't see him making much of an on field impact.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
I keep reading "huge" loss....how big of a loss are we talking about? Are we talking about the type of loss Dwight Freeney was to Indy, does this balance it out in terms of defensive hits?

I don't know as much about Colvin other than I knew he was having a solid year. I know Dwight Freeney and know what he did for that team which is why I'd label that a huge loss.
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The losses are not comparable. Freeney was key to how the Colts played D. They really had no comparable replacement. Colvin, while very good, can be replaced by moving Adalius Thomas outside full-time.If the Pats lost Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren or Asante Samuel, then we're getting into Freeney territory regarding the significance of the loss. Believe it or not, even losing the ancient Seau would really hurt the Pats D since he's the strong-side ILB. When he went down last year, the run D suffered greatly as Bruschi could not handle the switch from WILB to SILB very well and was exploited routinely.

 
Kevin Faulk did not practice at all yesterday due to a thigh injury.

And before people go nuts again this week, Wes Welker was held out of some of practice as a team decision but should once again be good to go Monday against the Ravens (this was hotly debated a week or two ago under similar circumstances).

 
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