Patriots to consider cutting Randy Moss? (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

I would say no chance in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks, but I just got done reading the Leftwich thread.

Don't think it will happen, but if it does I will be doing some FBG Forums searching I can tell you that.

(SEARCH=Pats+Moss+Stupid Raiders+Belichick+Motivated+17 TDs)

 

[crnerblitz]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Your not suggesting that Tom Brady should be bumped down are you? Better check your 6. Patsnations is about to unload on you for even the thought.

 

[cstu]

So which is it - cut or a top 10 season.

 

[lawrence phillips]

It's now 2:40 and Mike Reiss of Boston.com has not reported on this rumor. Due to that I'd be surprised if it has legs. Reiss is usually right on top of what's going on in Foxboro and if he misses something this big it would be a shocker.If this is true it would be coming out of leftfield. All reports indicated Moss looked real good pre-injury and that he's been a good soldier who has bought into the Patriot system. There have been no negative rumors floating around which isn't unusual since the Pats are so tight-lipped with regards to the media. Yet, I learned long ago never to be surprised by anything that this franchise does. If he does get cut than there has to be something big going on in the background. Moss has a very team-friendly contract so nothing is gained on that end.

I love Reiss too, he's as accurate as they come. That said, he's not always 100% on top of the breaking news. He's not always the first guy to report things, but when he writes something, it carries weight. As for what is gained by cutting him, it would be the idea that he could be seen as a malcontent if he's not the main man. I think Welker sees more targets than anyone in this offense regardless if Moss is there or not.

 

[joey]

I would say no chance in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks, but I just got done reading the Leftwich thread.

Don't think it will happen, but if it does I will be doing some FBG Forums searching I can tell you that.

(SEARCH=Pats+Moss+Stupid Raiders+Belichick+Motivated+17 TDs)

Raider fan here too...and you took the words right out of my mouth.

Add to that, SEARCH=Al+Davis+Washed+Up+Gives+Away+Moss+For+Nothing

 

[-Crippler-]

All of this debate is worthless because Moss is not going to be cut. Period.

 

[Football Jones]

I don't know what to make of these reports about Moss being cut, but I have serious doubts whether he'll even be close to the Moss of old. Why? I believe he's lost a step & lost some desire, as well. Both are very important. The pro-Moss crowd believe being on a strong team will help, & while that theory has merit, I just don't think it's that easy with this guy. Stallworth will be their #1, IMO (production).

 

[The Shizzle]

All of this debate is worthless because Moss is not going to be cut. Period.

Plain and simple. They would not waste a 4th like that.

 

[bjabrad]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Disagree on No Moss = More Run since NE is a ball control passing offense and not a ball control running offense. True that they will spread it around passing like they always do with passes to two or three RB's, four or five WR's and two TE's but Welker could very easily be the recipient of a larger share of those extra looks with his good routes, hands, quickness and speed. The only thing he doesn' have is size and that hasn't been a big problem for Steve Smith either.

 

[duaneok66]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Disagree on No Moss = More Run since NE is a ball control passing offense and not a ball control running offense. True that they will spread it around passing like they always do with passes to two or three RB's, four or five WR's and two TE's but Welker could very easily be the recipient of a larger share of those extra looks with his good routes, hands, quickness and speed. The only thing he doesn' have is size and that hasn't been a big problem for Steve Smith either.

So since Steve Smith can do it, then ALL WRs his height can do it . . .nice logic . . .

 

[mad sweeney]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Disagree on No Moss = More Run since NE is a ball control passing offense and not a ball control running offense. True that they will spread it around passing like they always do with passes to two or three RB's, four or five WR's and two TE's but Welker could very easily be the recipient of a larger share of those extra looks with his good routes, hands, quickness and speed. The only thing he doesn' have is size and that hasn't been a big problem for Steve Smith either.

So since Steve Smith can do it, then ALL WRs his height can do it . . .nice logic . . .

Overreact much?

 

[bjabrad]

Common fallacy. If X player is cut, then Y balls have to be caught by someone. So distribute Y across the other receivers.Without Moss on the team, the Pats run a little more, and the rest you distribute equally, not to one guy, given what we all know about the Pats system.

Disagree on No Moss = More Run since NE is a ball control passing offense and not a ball control running offense. True that they will spread it around passing like they always do with passes to two or three RB's, four or five WR's and two TE's but Welker could very easily be the recipient of a larger share of those extra looks with his good routes, hands, quickness and speed. The only thing he doesn' have is size and that hasn't been a big problem for Steve Smith either.

So since Steve Smith can do it, then ALL WRs his height can do it . . .nice logic . . .

never said ALL short guys, just mentioned the BEST WR in the NFL to prove my point that short WR's that are quick, fast, have good hands and run good routes CAN be top tier WR's. I'm just saying he COULD be very good and may be undervalued.(note: feel free to read into whatever I write in the future and insert conclusions that were never written to suit whatever purpose you need)

 

[jesseasi]

Any news? Was he cut?

 

[Legion of Doom]

I have serious doubts whether he'll even be close to the Moss of old.

I agree,but it has nothing to do with his level of play. It's pretty simple,he wants a ring! This is why he took less money to sign with the Patriots. He will behave.....his motivation is there

 

[Billy1x]

Word is they are going to put him on PUP. BUT that is not possible if you played in training camp. If you see it its a false report.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

We scoffed when we heard it, but then a source explained that the question the Pats are believed to be pondering is whether Moss will become a problem if he is not a focal point of the offense -- or if he isn't in the opening-day starting lineup.

It's a really bad sign for Moss that he's not even going to be in the starting lineup. And really, I think that should be the main point of contention in the rumor, not whether he's cut. After all, if the Patriots do have him third or fourth in the depthchart, it seems very likely they'd want to cut him rather than deal with the risk of him pouting about it.

 

[CrossEyed]

We scoffed when we heard it, but then a source explained that the question the Pats are believed to be pondering is whether Moss will become a problem if he is not a focal point of the offense -- or if he isn't in the opening-day starting lineup.

It's a really bad sign for Moss that he's not even going to be in the starting lineup. And really, I think that should be the main point of contention in the rumor, not whether he's cut. After all, if the Patriots do have him third or fourth in the depthchart, it seems very likely they'd want to cut him rather than deal with the risk of him pouting about it.

Where are you getting your info? He's listed first on the depth chart on their website.

 

[dwashington]

To be fair, let me say that I am a Moss owner (5th round-12 team redraft) and I think this RUMOR is ridiculous.

But for what it's worth, I couldn't help but notice this obscure nugget from Boston Herald's sportswriter John Tomase.

Randy Moss was spied sneaking up to a practice field with his pads on Tuesday.

This article was posted Friday (yesterday).http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...ticleid=1020113

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Where are you getting your info? He's listed first on the depth chart on their website.

The thread is about a rumor and so "my info" was pulled from it (in quotes). How else should I make my comment?To believe the rumor of him being cut, is to believe NE are wavering over whether he's going to start for them. If you believe the latter, then the former flows as a result.

 

[duaneok66]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/patriots/

More Moss info . . . updated at 7:01 pm

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

"It’s 7 p.m. and the Patriots still haven’t released their list of cuts. However, a rumor gaining momentum over the last three days is that they’re planning to drop Randy Moss, which would be a shocker to end all shockers. However, we must stress that in conversations with other league executives we’ve been unable to confirm this as anything more than hearsay.

A league source with knowledge of the Patriots’ moves said there’s a surprise on the cut list, but declined to elaborate. That could mean Moss. It could mean Reche Caldwell. Right now no one knows.

The Moss stuff began percolating on Thursday and really gained steam when Pro Football Talk included it in its rumor mill this morning. The theory seems to be the that the Pats aren’t sure he’ll embrace a role as a decoy. Reached today by colleague Karen Guregian, Moss’s agent, Tim DiPiero, said he hadn’t heard anything and that he was planning to be in the Meadowlands for Sunday’s opener, presumably to watch his client.

Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe Moss will be in uniform a week from tomorrow. We’ll keep you posted. "

 

[Boston]

It's now 2:40 and Mike Reiss of Boston.com has not reported on this rumor. Due to that I'd be surprised if it has legs. Reiss is usually right on top of what's going on in Foxboro and if he misses something this big it would be a shocker.If this is true it would be coming out of leftfield. All reports indicated Moss looked real good pre-injury and that he's been a good soldier who has bought into the Patriot system. There have been no negative rumors floating around which isn't unusual since the Pats are so tight-lipped with regards to the media. Yet, I learned long ago never to be surprised by anything that this franchise does. If he does get cut than there has to be something big going on in the background. Moss has a very team-friendly contract so nothing is gained on that end.

I love Reiss too, he's as accurate as they come. That said, he's not always 100% on top of the breaking news. He's not always the first guy to report things, but when he writes something, it carries weight. As for what is gained by cutting him, it would be the idea that he could be seen as a malcontent if he's not the main man. I think Welker sees more targets than anyone in this offense regardless if Moss is there or not.

It's not so much the breaking news part...it's that he hasn't even reported on the rumor yet. That's what surprises me. To not have something about a story this big (should it be true) at this point would be a real shocker for a guy who has a Patriots blog.If Moss were to go Stallworth is the guy who's value really goes up in my eyes. He becomes the primary deep threat and a lot of plays that are designed for big gainers that may have gone to Moss will probably go his way. As for your point about Welker I agree 100%...he's going to be a big part of this offense regardless of who the other WRs are.

 

[jimmy b]

"It’s 7 p.m. and the Patriots still haven’t released their list of cuts. However, a rumor gaining momentum over the last three days is that they’re planning to drop Randy Moss, which would be a shocker to end all shockers. However, we must stress that in conversations with other league executives we’ve been unable to confirm this as anything more than hearsay.A league source with knowledge of the Patriots’ moves said there’s a surprise on the cut list, but declined to elaborate. That could mean Moss. It could mean Reche Caldwell. Right now no one knows.The Moss stuff began percolating on Thursday and really gained steam when Pro Football Talk included it in its rumor mill this morning. The theory seems to be the that the Pats aren’t sure he’ll embrace a role as a decoy. Reached today by colleague Karen Guregian, Moss’s agent,

Tim DiPiero, said he hadn’t heard anything and that he was planning to be in the Meadowlands for Sunday’s opener, presumably to watch his client.

There you go...it's right there !!!!His Agent said he's going to the JETS... Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe Moss will be in uniform a week from tomorrow. We’ll keep you posted. "

 

[Blue-Kun]

Seymour to PUP, Moss stays

Posted by John Tomase at 7:44 pm

So much for all the Randy Moss talk. The receiver is safe, but the Pats placed their All-Pro defensive end on the physically unable to perform list, meaning he’s out for six weeks. More in a second.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/patriots/

 

[jesseasi]

I have a question about the contract / cap situation. Since Moss was injured at the start of camp - wouldn't the Pats liable for his salary in 2007? And if so, why would cutting them help? I can't imagine that they think whoever the #5 or #6 WR that would replace Moss could be any better?

Or can teams cuts players if they are injured during camp and not be liable for their salary?

To me it seemed like all summer we read about how Moss was doing and saying all the right things. Didnt he even attend some funeral with the team, participate in some charity golf tournament, and attend all the voluntary off season programs?

1. I don't know what the benefit would be to cut Moss unless they feel his injury is much more serious that we know.

2. To me it seems he has done everything he can to fit in with the team - including taking a major pay cut to sign with the Pats.

So what's the deal - don't all the final cuts have to be done by now? And if so why the delay in announcing them?

 

[CrossEyed]

The Pats cut 21 players, including quarterback Vinny Testaverde, which must be the surprise our source was referring to. That’s not really much of a surprise, but anyway, here’s the list:

Larry Anam, Chad Brown, Bam Childress, Chris Dunlap, Mike Elgin, Corey Hilliard, Brian Jones, C.J. Jones, Kelvin Kight, Corey Mays, Garrett Mills, Rashad Moore, Gene Mruczkowski, Clint Oldenburg, Marcellus Rivers, Justin Rogers, Quinton Smith, Testaverde, Santonio Thomas, Dante Wesley, and Zach West.

Also, linebacker Oscar Lua was placed on injured reserve, ending his season

So can we stop all the Moss speculation now?

 

[jesseasi]

So which is it - cut or a top 10 season.

Top 10 Season it is! (I hope)

 

[cobalt_27]

So can we stop all the Moss speculation now?

 

[King of the Wolfies]

So can we stop all the Moss speculation now?

Do you think he'd have any value in the CFL? LOL

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.

Most? Even a blind squirrell is bound to find a nut once in a while.

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.

Most? Even a blind squirrell is bound to find a nut once in a while.

Yes. Most.

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

Go ahead and make PFT your bible, doesn't matter to me.

 

[mad sweeney]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

This is from the Boston Herald web blog:

The Moss stuff began percolating on Thursday and really gained steam when Pro Football Talk included it in its rumor mill this morning

The rumor had apparently gained ground for 2 days before PFT posted it.

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

Go ahead and make PFT your bible, doesn't matter to me.

You're clearly missing the point. Enjoy the season, guy.

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

Go ahead and make PFT your bible, doesn't matter to me.

You're clearly missing the point. Enjoy the season, guy.

Tough decision to make on Leftwich With the Jaguars facing tough economic times, they must take a close look at quarterback Byron Leftwich's $5.145 million base salary this year.

Once Leftwich takes his first snap in a regular-season game, that salary is guaranteed for the year. If coach Jack Del Rio has Leftwich on a three or four-game leash, the Jaguars would be better off cutting the quarterback now rather than risk having him as a high-paid backup.

When asked after the Thursday night loss to the Green Bay Packers how long he could stick with Leftwich, Del Rio said that was a "hypothetical" question. But if he isn't committed to Leftwich for 16 games, the Jaguars are risking a lot of money by starting the season with him as the starter.

Posted on 8/26/07

LINK

 

[TheDirtyWord]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ots_cuts_1.html

Moss not cut...

 

[cobalt_27]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

Go ahead and make PFT your bible, doesn't matter to me.

You're clearly missing the point. Enjoy the season, guy.

Tough decision to make on Leftwich With the Jaguars facing tough economic times, they must take a close look at quarterback Byron Leftwich's $5.145 million base salary this year.

Once Leftwich takes his first snap in a regular-season game, that salary is guaranteed for the year. If coach Jack Del Rio has Leftwich on a three or four-game leash, the Jaguars would be better off cutting the quarterback now rather than risk having him as a high-paid backup.

When asked after the Thursday night loss to the Green Bay Packers how long he could stick with Leftwich, Del Rio said that was a "hypothetical" question. But if he isn't committed to Leftwich for 16 games, the Jaguars are risking a lot of money by starting the season with him as the starter.

Posted on 8/26/07

LINK

How is this ownage? Where does it say he's getting cut?

 

[CrossEyed]

You guys really need to get a room.

 

[Keith Lewis]

PFT rumors always cause stupid threads like this.

And, they also knock it out of the park before most other outlets on most other occasions.ETA: Leftwich rumblings took steam when PFT reported it yesterday.

Actually I recall seeing rumors about this more than a week ago and it wasn't on PFT.

And, you posted them here, right?

if you really want me to go and dig it up I can, I'm not sure it's worth my time though. I do recall a week ago hearing that Leftwich may be cut cause once the deadline passes the Jaguars are on the books for over 5 million. Who cares if I posted them, I'm telling you i seen it somewhere, I don't ever post about Leftwich anyway.

Go ahead and make PFT your bible, doesn't matter to me.

You're clearly missing the point. Enjoy the season, guy.

Tough decision to make on Leftwich With the Jaguars facing tough economic times, they must take a close look at quarterback Byron Leftwich's $5.145 million base salary this year.

Once Leftwich takes his first snap in a regular-season game, that salary is guaranteed for the year. If coach Jack Del Rio has Leftwich on a three or four-game leash, the Jaguars would be better off cutting the quarterback now rather than risk having him as a high-paid backup.

When asked after the Thursday night loss to the Green Bay Packers how long he could stick with Leftwich, Del Rio said that was a "hypothetical" question. But if he isn't committed to Leftwich for 16 games, the Jaguars are risking a lot of money by starting the season with him as the starter.

Posted on 8/26/07

LINK

How is this ownage? Where does it say he's getting cut?

Anyone with common sense who read your snide little "You posted this here then" comments will see you got majorly Have a great season Chief.

 

[proninja]

How is this ownage? Where does it say he's getting cut?

This is the part where you should slink away gracefully

 

[Keith Lewis]

How is this ownage? Where does it say he's getting cut?

This is the part where you should slink away gracefully

 

[cobalt_27]

Anyone with common sense who read your snide little "You posted this here then" comments will see you got majorly

Have a great season Chief.

I guess I'm just missing the part where it said he was getting cut, which is what you seem to be suggesting was being talked about last week--that it was actually going to happen (and is not what the article you posted was saying). It wasn't until yesterday that this stuff gained credible steam, with sources saying it was actually imminent.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Anyone with common sense who read your snide little "You posted this here then" comments will see you got majorly

Have a great season Chief.

I guess I'm just missing the part where it said he was getting cut, which is what you seem to be suggesting was being talked about last week--that it was actually going to happen (and is not what the article you posted was saying). It wasn't until yesterday that this stuff gained credible steam, with sources saying it was actually imminent.

Go ahead and soil your pants in public, I'm not going to stop you, keep on talking Chief.

 

[cobalt_27]

Anyone with common sense who read your snide little "You posted this here then" comments will see you got majorly

Have a great season Chief.

I guess I'm just missing the part where it said he was getting cut, which is what you seem to be suggesting was being talked about last week--that it was actually going to happen (and is not what the article you posted was saying). It wasn't until yesterday that this stuff gained credible steam, with sources saying it was actually imminent.

Go ahead and soil your pants in public, I'm not going to stop you, keep on talking Chief.

Just trying to learn from your display in the Vick threads.