Patriots To Cut Ties With WR Chad Ochocinco, DT Albert Haynesworth? (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





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[BigSteelThrill]

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Oh yeah... I recall Randy Moss was going to get cut in the preseason also, then went on to set the receiving TD record.

 

[shortbow]

I would say there is easily 0% of either of them being released.

 

[jon_mx]

Cutting Ocho would be a bigger surprise. I could see Hanyesworth being cut.

 

[shortbow]

Cutting Ocho would be a bigger surprise. I could see Hanyesworth being cut.

Haynesworth is gonna be a big part of the Pats D this season, expect the Pats front 7 to rival anyone in the AFC.

 

[JZilla]

That NFL executive is ######ed or ####### around

 

[CentralPA]

That NFL executive is ######ed or ####### around

That's a lot of pound signs!

 

[trader jake]

I'd guess this "report" would be a strategic leak to get the best out of Haynesworth and Johnson before I'd believe Bilichick is going to cut either of them to control the Pats locker room.

Isn't this the same head coach that just referenced leaving soon? If there's any truth to that I'm sure he'll want motivated veterans with the skill level of Haynesworth and Johnson on his side this fall.

 

[ponchsox]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/163279-patriots-cut-ties-wr-chad-ochocinco-dt.html

Who the F is Dan Pompei?

 

[Shane Falco]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





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Who the F is Dan Pompei?

Really?

He's a pretty big National football media guy. But he's no Mike Reiss when it comes to NE

 

[ponchsox]

This smells like BS. I don't see either player getting cut unless they become a disruption in the locker room. Both players restructured their contracts and have very cap friendly salaries this year.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I wouldn't put it past them especially after they see what they really have, how much fight is left in them, how some of the other guys are looking. They have an uncanny knack at getting a lot out of no name guys, making them very effective at their positions. If Haynesworth is REALLY out of shape and if Chad has lost a step, can't comprehend the playbook, continues the silly talk... it could happen. They're luxury commodities right now, not essential pieces. Heck, they cut Moss last year and THEN got on a roll.

 

[jon_mx]

It would be a bad thing if Ocho did not at least get to spend two weeks living with a fan.

 

[ponchsox]

Bottom line is do these players help the Patriots win? I can see Ocho Stinko getting cut before Haynesworth. The camp reports I read say he hasn't been much of a factor and Welker looks like the main target for Brady. Haynesworth should help the Patriots address their d-line issues especially in a 4-3.

 

[jon_mx]

Bottom line is do these players help the Patriots win? I can see Ocho Stinko getting cut before Haynesworth. The camp reports I read say he hasn't been much of a factor and Welker looks like the main target for Brady. Haynesworth should help the Patriots address their d-line issues especially in a 4-3.

Ocho Stinko >>>> Deion Branch. Welker is a great possession guy. I hope they cut Ocho, just because I don't care for them. Haynesworth they can keep, because he will disappoint. He is fat, dumb, and happy. The only time Haynesworth really produced is when he was playing for his big contract.

 

[Sabertooth]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





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This would be an awesome move!

 

[[scooter]]

Cutting Ocho would be a bigger surprise. I could see Hanyesworth being cut.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth just renegotiated his contract with the Patriots a couple days ago. The writer doesn't mention that. The writer also fails to report how either player is having a negative effect on the locker room.

But hey, the writer does say that one source, an un-named person with an un-named front office position with an un-named team other than the Patriots guesses that the Patriots 'might' cut one or two players to 'send a message' to the locker room. That's every bit as solid as "Patriots might cut Chad and Albert because some people on message boards don't like them."

This reminds me of all the bunk in the press the week before the NFL draft each year.

 

[AB in DC]

The rumor mill has gotten so quiet, people are starting to make up their own rumors...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Haynesworth just renegotiated his contract with the Patriots a couple days ago. The writer doesn't mention that.

it linked directly to this story: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4699681/patriots-limit-risk-with-contracts

The restructured contracts signed by defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco present a low-risk, high-reward scenario from a team perspective.

Haynesworth's deal, in particular, fits into that category.

Haynesworth is scheduled to earn $1.5 million in 2011 (not including incentives), and the team is not on the hook for any bonus payments this year, according to the restructured contract filed with the league. So essentially, the club could cut Haynesworth tomorrow and it would have little financial impact.

Robert Kraft wasn't kidding when he said Haynesworth "didn't come for the money."

Certainly, that aspect created more comfort for the team in consummating the trade for Haynesworth. The Patriots essentially get a free tryout in training camp to see if it works because contracts aren't guaranteed until the first week of the season.

At this point, it looks like a one-year contract as Haynesworth's pay spikes in 2012 -- a base salary of $6.7 million, along with a roster bonus of $400,000 (due Aug. 1) and another $100,000 in the form of a workout bonus.

So in this case, it looks like Haynesworth was willing to take less to get out of Washington and revive his career with New England. In turn, the Patriots seem willing to accept a one-year arrangement for the fifth-round pick they traded.

Ochocinco's contract falls into the same category, although it's not as big of a cut (updated: Thursday, 6 a.m.).

In addition to his $1 million salary for 2011, he also earned a $4.5 million signing bonus, meaning his total pay this year is approximately $5.5 million.

He had a base salary of $6 million in his old deal for 2011.

Ochocinco’s new deal extends through 2013. He is scheduled to earn base salaries of $3 million apiece in 2012 and 2013. He can earn workout bonuses of $100,000 in each year.

With a $4.5MM signing bonus for Ocho, seems crazy to think he's not safe.

 

[ourmanflint]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/163279-patriots-cut-ties-wr-chad-ochocinco-dt.html

Who the F is Dan Pompei?

Dan Pompei, who writes analysis and opinions for the National Football Post, has covered the National Football League for a quarter of a century. He currently writes about the NFL and Bears for the Chicago Tribune. He previously authored the NFL Insider column for The Sporting News. He is one of 44 members on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selectors board and also is one of nine members on the seniors committee. He has covered 23 Super Bowls and served as a pool reporter at five Super Bowls.

 

[GregR]

I'm not worried about Ochocinco being cut. Haynesworth on the other hand I think will need to earn his roster spot in preseason. This is a guy who quit on his team. That's something that shakes confidence in you even from a new coaching staff. That's something he has to earn back now.

 

[JZilla]

That NFL executive is ######ed or ####### around

That's a lot of pound signs!

I like to encourage the reader to use one's imagination

 

[JZilla]

I'm not worried about Ochocinco being cut. Haynesworth on the other hand I think will need to earn his roster spot in preseason. This is a guy who quit on his team. That's something that shakes confidence in you even from a new coaching staff. That's something he has to earn back now.

Belichick can already smell the glory he'll get by turning these guys around. If he ultimately can't, he'll deftly pin it on them.

 

[Boston]

The part I don't buy is BB would do this to send a message...he doesn't need to do that...all the players know the deal in Foxboro, he's not a rookie Coach...now if either of these guys aren't producing or if Big Al isn't falling in line with the program than this is not out of the realm of possibility...if they get cut it will be based on performance not to set any type of tone...

 

[Steeler Bräu]

Buy/Sell.... I'm selling.

 

[Shane Falco]

ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss isn't buying speculation that Albert Haynesworth or Chad Ochocinco could be released to send a message to the Patriots locker room.

Reiss points out the obvious, that the National Football Post was simply passing along one person's speculation rather than a report. Ochocinco has already received a $4.5 million signing bonus in New England, and coach Bill Belichick has been pleased with Haynesworth's approach "by all accounts." This is a non-story.

Related: Chad Ochocinco

Source: ESPN Boston

rotoworld

 

[NeverEnough]

I don't buy this rumor. With that said, what is Branch's value w/Ocho in town?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Haynesworth just renegotiated his contract with the Patriots a couple days ago. The writer doesn't mention that.

it linked directly to this story: http://espn.go.com/b...-with-contracts

The restructured contracts signed by defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth and Chad Ochocinco present a low-risk, high-reward scenario from a team perspective.

Haynesworth's deal, in particular, fits into that category.

Haynesworth is scheduled to earn $1.5 million in 2011 (not including incentives), and the team is not on the hook for any bonus payments this year, according to the restructured contract filed with the league. So essentially, the club could cut Haynesworth tomorrow and it would have little financial impact.

Robert Kraft wasn't kidding when he said Haynesworth "didn't come for the money."

Certainly, that aspect created more comfort for the team in consummating the trade for Haynesworth. The Patriots essentially get a free tryout in training camp to see if it works because contracts aren't guaranteed until the first week of the season.

At this point, it looks like a one-year contract as Haynesworth's pay spikes in 2012 -- a base salary of $6.7 million, along with a roster bonus of $400,000 (due Aug. 1) and another $100,000 in the form of a workout bonus.

So in this case, it looks like Haynesworth was willing to take less to get out of Washington and revive his career with New England. In turn, the Patriots seem willing to accept a one-year arrangement for the fifth-round pick they traded.

Ochocinco's contract falls into the same category, although it's not as big of a cut (updated: Thursday, 6 a.m.).

In addition to his $1 million salary for 2011, he also earned a $4.5 million signing bonus, meaning his total pay this year is approximately $5.5 million.

He had a base salary of $6 million in his old deal for 2011.

Ochocinco’s new deal extends through 2013. He is scheduled to earn base salaries of $3 million apiece in 2012 and 2013. He can earn workout bonuses of $100,000 in each year.

With a $4.5MM signing bonus for Ocho, seems crazy to think he's not safe.

On a one year deal wouldn't the signing bonus already have been earned? Meaning that they've already paid 80% of his deal and are unlikely to cut him for just the 1 million?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

lol just rearead the OP. The 'source' is "One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways"...



might as well have quoted any of us...

 

[jon_mx]

On a one year deal wouldn't the signing bonus already have been earned? Meaning that they've already paid 80% of his deal and are unlikely to cut him for just the 1 million?

The chance of cutting Ocho are about zero. If it was just Haynesworth, it would be believable. Sounds like someone is just trying to light a fire under some people by starting rumors.

 

[jon_mx]

lol just rearead the OP. The 'source' is "One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways"...



might as well have quoted any of us...

Maybe someone in the Jets organization stirring up ####.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

On a one year deal wouldn't the signing bonus already have been earned? Meaning that they've already paid 80% of his deal and are unlikely to cut him for just the 1 million?

Huh?Yes, Ochocinco got a $4.5MM signing bonus already so it would be a huge shock if they dumped him.Haynesworth got nothing and is set to make a base salary of $1.5MM. They could cut him at no cost apart from what they gave up in trade to acquire him from Washington (5th round pick in 2013).

 

[Serenity Now]

Despite the restructure, Haynesworth hasn't been on the field for a Pats practice in over a week now. No reason given, he's just not even at the field.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

On a one year deal wouldn't the signing bonus already have been earned? Meaning that they've already paid 80% of his deal and are unlikely to cut him for just the 1 million?

Huh?Yes, Ochocinco got a $4.5MM signing bonus already so it would be a huge shock if they dumped him.Haynesworth got nothing and is set to make a base salary of $1.5MM. They could cut him at no cost apart from what they gave up in trade to acquire him from Washington (5th round pick in 2013).

I misread your first post, I thought you were saying the opposite.

 

[captain_amazing]

Dear Mr. Dan Pompei Dan,

In being familiar with the "Patriots way," I'd like to inform you, anonymously, that Belichick will release either Big Al (isn't that funny? Big Al?) or Ochocinco, or both. I think he is trying to send a message to his team and get his locker room in the palm of his hand. Psshh - I just take my guys, like good 'ole Braylon, out to the bar and buy them a few beers to get their unequivocal loyalty (admittedly, I should've driven him home that night).

Cordially,

Rex Ryan

 

[FavreCo]

Despite the restructure, Haynesworth hasn't been on the field for a Pats practice in over a week now. No reason given, he's just not even at the field.

The guy is just a big fat lazy turd. If anyone gets cut, its him.

 

[shortbow]

Despite the restructure, Haynesworth hasn't been on the field for a Pats practice in over a week now. No reason given, he's just not even at the field.

The guy is just a big fat lazy turd. If anyone gets cut, its him.

Hes been at every single practice and hes been working out. He just hasnt been practicing with the team. They are worried about his health and they should be, he'll get some work in before the season starts.

 

[Defenze]

Cutting Ocho would be a bigger surprise. I could see Hanyesworth being cut.

 

[cr8f]

So another outfit is trying to copy pro football talk?

 

[AmosMoses]

Despite the restructure, Haynesworth hasn't been on the field for a Pats practice in over a week now. No reason given, he's just not even at the field.

The guy is just a big fat lazy turd. If anyone gets cut, its him.

Hes been at every single practice and hes been working out. He just hasnt been practicing with the team. They are worried about his health and they should be, he'll get some work in before the season starts.

Sounds like a guy that should have a big role in the defense.

 

[griff321]

I MAKE UP STUFF TO GET HITS..LOOK AT MEEE!

 

[shortbow]

Despite the restructure, Haynesworth hasn't been on the field for a Pats practice in over a week now. No reason given, he's just not even at the field.

The guy is just a big fat lazy turd. If anyone gets cut, its him.

Hes been at every single practice and hes been working out. He just hasnt been practicing with the team. They are worried about his health and they should be, he'll get some work in before the season starts.

Sounds like a guy that should have a big role in the defense.

Context. Coming from such a crappy situation like in Washington, where for whatever reason he was suffering from a muscle condition hes has to recover and be maintained, like most players who have conditions or injuries. His condition is serious if not being managed, so they are managing it and since his condition is directly connected to his ability to work out for extensive periods of time it gets complicated.Haynesworths attitude has changed significantly since being in New England: Albert on being with New England, that being said, hes just getting reintegrated into the NFL, came out of a bad situation straight into a lockout.

Belichick also seems to be in good spirits in regards to their situation:

“I think I’d put him in the ‘day-to-day’ category,” Belichick said. “He’s getting some treatment and I think he’ll be back out there as soon as he can. I think he’s working really hard and hopefully he’ll be back out there in a matter of, hopefully a day or a couple days.”

...The players that aren’t out there, are still getting the instruction, still learning, but not able to participate or participate fully. So, I think the way the players have to look at it is, they should do everything that they’re able to do to maximize that. The things they aren’t able to do, there’s really nothing they can do about those, but they should maximize the opportunity they have. That’s the way they approach it with everybody

 

[fatness]

Getting rid of Haynesworth would be easy financially, but there’s just not much reason yet to believe it will happen.

“He’s very unlike what a lot of you read about,” defensive line coach Pepper Johnson said about Haynesworth in comments distributed by the team. “Albert is a great guy. . . . I think Albert is a great person. He’s been trying to work his way out on the field, and he’s been tremendous in the classroom [to] date. I’m expecting a lot from him.”

Johnson further said he thinks Haynesworth is “excited” to be in town and is “one of the best defensive lineman” in the league. These words echo everything Bill Belichick has said to this point, and Tom Brady had similar glowing comments Monday morning.

The biggest problem for Haynesworth is that he hasn’t been on the field enough. If he stays on the sideline for three more weeks, that could be a problem.

Otherwise, there just isn’t much reason to believe Haynesworth will get booted.

linkSo Belichick traded a draft pick to get a guy whom he would then cut to send a message to his locker room?

 

[Colts Win]

Oh yeah... I recall Randy Moss was going to get cut in the preseason also, then went on to set the receiving TD record.

More lying cheating patriots bs.

 

[eakfootball]

Ocho is not getting cut. Haynesworth maybe, but probobly not. Just because It was a classic I need to bring this up again. I loved it when Haynesworth was asked about the sexual assult accusations and replied "I don't even like black chicks".

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Dan Pompei of the National Football Post reports that wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth might not be long for New England. One NFL executive familiar with the Patriots ways told Pompei he believes one or both of the big name acquisitions will be cut before the season starts. The front office man thinks coach Bill Belichick will use the controversial players to help control and send a message to his locker room.

Source: National Football Post





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Still waiting.....Dan..

 

[ponchsox]

Dan Pompass

 

[fatness]

This is a big blow to message-senders.