Pats top ranked D this week? (1 Viewer)

[Hue G]

Just curious as to what the justification for this is? Going up against San Diego one of the best offenses in the league, and they allowed almost 500 yards and 24 points against what might be one of the worst offenses in the league last week.

I just don't see how they end up in the top half of defenses fantasy wise, when you pass as much as they do the opposition is going to have a ton of possession time and will probably rack up garbage passing yards and points trying to play catch up.

 

[Workhorse]

Just curious as to what the justification for this is? Going up against San Diego one of the best offenses in the league, and they allowed almost 500 yards and 24 points against what might be one of the worst offenses in the league last week.I just don't see how they end up in the top half of defenses fantasy wise, when you pass as much as they do the opposition is going to have a ton of possession time and will probably rack up garbage passing yards and points trying to play catch up.

7 points were the result of a fluky interception which put the Dolphins in the red zone and over 200 yards of the Phins offense came during glorified garbage time when the Patriots were playing a quasi-prevent up by at least 14 points. The Pats held Miami to 2-12 on third down on Monday night. This is a better defense than the yardage stats this past week would indicate.All that said, not sure I agree with the ranking.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Traditionally don't West Coast teams have a pretty tough time playing on the East Coast?

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Just curious as to what the justification for this is? Going up against San Diego one of the best offenses in the league, and they allowed almost 500 yards and 24 points against what might be one of the worst offenses in the league last week.I just don't see how they end up in the top half of defenses fantasy wise, when you pass as much as they do the opposition is going to have a ton of possession time and will probably rack up garbage passing yards and points trying to play catch up.

This is CRAZY. The Patriots gave up over 400 yds and 3 td's to Chad Henne. Just imagine what Philip Rivers is going to do to them...The Pat's defense is no better than it has been the last several years.

 

[Hue G]

Just curious as to what the justification for this is? Going up against San Diego one of the best offenses in the league, and they allowed almost 500 yards and 24 points against what might be one of the worst offenses in the league last week.I just don't see how they end up in the top half of defenses fantasy wise, when you pass as much as they do the opposition is going to have a ton of possession time and will probably rack up garbage passing yards and points trying to play catch up.

This is CRAZY. The Patriots gave up over 400 yds and 3 td's to Chad Henne. Just imagine what Philip Rivers is going to do to them...The Pat's defense is no better than it has been the last several years.

Actually last year they were very good from a fantasy perspective, a lot of turnovers and DTD

 

[packersfan]

Traditionally don't West Coast teams have a pretty tough time playing on the East Coast?

Typically yes. Rivers didn't play on the East Coast last season but he averaged 310 yards and 1.5 TDs per game on the road last season.I also thought the Patriots' defense looked pretty bad Monday night.

 

[Horses Mouth]

Actually last year they were very good from a fantasy perspective, a lot of turnovers and DTD

this is a FF ranking. Brady has the ability to ramp up the score and force opposing QBs to throw which leads to INTs, Def TDs, sacks, etc. You have to think about what opportunities their D will have to make big plays.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Traditionally don't West Coast teams have a pretty tough time playing on the East Coast?

Typically yes. Rivers didn't play on the East Coast last season but he averaged 310 yards and 1.5 TDs per game on the road last season.I also thought the Patriots' defense looked pretty bad Monday night.

West Coast teams don't play well on the East Coast when it's 15 degree's out. Right now in New England the weather is almost as warm as in San Diego. Climate will not be an issue for the Chargers...Really scratching my head over why the Pat's would be ranked first. They shouldn't be in the top 25 this week against a potent offense...I'll say it again, they gave up 400 yds to Chad Henne.

 

[packersfan]

Traditionally don't West Coast teams have a pretty tough time playing on the East Coast?

Typically yes. Rivers didn't play on the East Coast last season but he averaged 310 yards and 1.5 TDs per game on the road last season.I also thought the Patriots' defense looked pretty bad Monday night.

West Coast teams don't play well on the East Coast when it's 15 degree's out. Right now in New England the weather is almost as warm as in San Diego. Climate will not be an issue for the Chargers...Really scratching my head over why the Pat's would be ranked first. They shouldn't be in the top 25 this week against a potent offense...I'll say it again, they gave up 400 yds to Chad Henne.

I'm with you. On paper, this is a matchup that looks to strongly favor Rivers. He's a stud QB facing a defense that looked, in my opinion, bad in Week 1. Playing at home should help the Patriots and they did produce for fantasy owners last season due to TDs (especially on special teams) but I think Rivers is one of the Top 3 QBs in the game and the Chargers are loaded offensively. This looks like a shootout to me.

 

[Disc Shark]

Actually last year they were very good from a fantasy perspective, a lot of turnovers and DTD

this is a FF ranking. Brady has the ability to ramp up the score and force opposing QBs to throw which leads to INTs, Def TDs, sacks, etc. You have to think about what opportunities their D will have to make big plays.

That didn't happen on Monday night. Instead the Pat's pass D got shredded by a third-rate QB. I guess I'm still a little bitter because I had the Patriot D in my starting lineup last week. Of course, it was just one week, and I liked the Patriot's defense enough to draft them based on the same logic expressed above and their fantasy performance last year. So, while I will not over-react to the week 1 performance, I don't see any serious justification for ranking them #1 this week. As of now I plan to start the Detroit D v K.C. over N.E. v S.D.

 

[PatsFanCT]

It's not about Rivers tossing for 500 yards, it's about the Pats being the number one Fantasy Defense last year and the Charges being the last.

Think Special teams, not points and yards.

 

[Workhorse]

Folks, Henne did put up some stats but you've got to look at the context: After the first series drive (which was impressive), the Dolphins only gained 162 yards on their next nine possessions, which included five three-and-outs and two series with just a single first down. Most of the rest of the yardage came in Q4 garbage time, which you're less likely to see against the Chargers, IMO.

 

[packersfan]

After the first series drive (which was impressive), the Dolphins only gained 162 yards on their next nine possessions, which included five three-and-outs and two series with just a single first down.

This begs the question whether you think Rivers can do better. I believe he can. I also expect this game to be close which likely means plenty of pass attempts for Rivers. Now go watch this be a 10-7 game but the current Over/Under in Vegas has this game at 54 points. So Vegas thinks this is going to be a high-scoring game too. That doesn't preclude either defense from doing well, but based on what I saw Monday night I see no reason to view the Patriots' defense as a staunch group that can shut down an elite QB like Rivers.

 

[jeeb]

The heavens are going to open with due to the fiery damage that the Pittsburgh defense is going to do to Seattle...

But NE is probably good for a return TD this week against SD's special teams sieve.

 

[Modog814]

The heavens are going to open with due to the fiery damage that the Pittsburgh defense is going to do to Seattle...But NE is probably good for a return TD this week against SD's special teams sieve.

This. Rankings are based on expected fantasy points, and Def/ST I think is hugely influenced by the possibility of scoring a TD. With the way SD Special Teams played last year and in week 1, I'm guessing FBG think that NE has the best shot of scoring a TD this week.

 

[wikkidpissah]

That Patriot d-backfield is a stone mess - they couldnt intercept a crawlaway baby.

 

[David Yudkin]

Defensive performance in their last 5 tilts with the Bolts . . .

2010: 0 TD, 4 turnovers, 2 sacks, 20 points allowed, 363 yards allowed

2008: 0 TD, 1 turnover, 0 sacks, 30 points allowed, 404 yards allowed

2007: 0 TD, 2 turnovers, 1 sack, 12 points allowed, 311 yards allowed (playoff game)

2007: 0 TD, 3 turnovers, 3 sacks, 14 points allowed, 201 yards allowed

2006: 0 TD, 4 turnovers, 3 sacks, 21 points allowed, 352 yards allowed (playoff game)

I ealize that the defense has undergone a ton of changes, but that's at least a baseline to start from . . .

 

[LOCO]

going with bills D instead.

 

[glong989]

Once again this looks like a thread where someone over reacts to Tuesday projections. Give it a few days and it will shake out..

 

[dgreen]

Traditionally don't West Coast teams have a pretty tough time playing on the East Coast?

Typically yes. Rivers didn't play on the East Coast last season but he averaged 310 yards and 1.5 TDs per game on the road last season.I also thought the Patriots' defense looked pretty bad Monday night.

West Coast teams don't play well on the East Coast when it's 15 degree's out. Right now in New England the weather is almost as warm as in San Diego. Climate will not be an issue for the Chargers...

Huh? How many times has a WC team played in 15 degree weather on the EC?I know there's a stat about WC teams losing a ton on the EC in 1 PM games. The theory being that 1 PM seems like 10 AM to the WC team. But, this game is at 4:15, so I don't think that should be a factor at all.

 

[cubbie5150]

Pitt should be the #1 DST in any week 2 ranking... My god, they just got their asses handed to them & now they get to host a Tavaris Jackson led Seahags offense? Total destruction...

 

[shadyridr]

Im dropping them for another def. They looked terrible on MNF .

 

[Hue G]

Once again this looks like a thread where someone over reacts to Tuesday projections. Give it a few days and it will shake out..

I'm not over reacting I just want some justification, I'm sure they won't be ranked #1 when the final week rankings come out but they probably won't drop to 15 either

 

[FGITLOTR]

The bigger question is how can FG have Rivers at #12 this week? The guy is almost top 5 every week, regardless of the matchup

 

[packersfan]

Im dropping them for another def. They looked terrible on MNF .

All depends what's available in your league but I wouldn't drop them yet. I also thought they looked terrible against the Dolphins but what they showed last season gives me the belief they can be a viable fantasy starting D this season as well.

 

[glong989]

Which defenses can you really say looked real good this week?

- Chicago held Atlanta to 6 and Ryan got 300+ in garbage time. Turner had 100+ but about 50+ game on one good run. Ryan was content with the shorter pass and the Bears let him have it - this led to mistakes eventually.

- Baltimore 7 pts 7 turnovers, nuff said

I really can't think of any others you expected to be pretty good that actually were. This was the biggest offensive opening week in NFL history if I'm not mistaken so it's a wait and see for almost all the D's out there..

 

[wudaben]

So are others out there starting the Pats DST in this matchup or are you going the WW route? If you're doing the WW route which available teams are you starting instead?

In my league the Redskins at home vs the Cards or Buffalo at home vs the Raiders seem like the only viable options.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

So are others out there starting the Pats DST in this matchup or are you going the WW route? If you're doing the WW route which available teams are you starting instead?In my league the Redskins at home vs the Cards or Buffalo at home vs the Raiders seem like the only viable options.

I'm starting them

 

[Scooter71]

So are others out there starting the Pats DST in this matchup or are you going the WW route? If you're doing the WW route which available teams are you starting instead?In my league the Redskins at home vs the Cards or Buffalo at home vs the Raiders seem like the only viable options.

I picked up the Lions (vs. KC) to use this week. Pats will sit on the bench for at least this week.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Actually last year they were very good from a fantasy perspective, a lot of turnovers and DTD

this is a FF ranking. Brady has the ability to ramp up the score and force opposing QBs to throw which leads to INTs, Def TDs, sacks, etc. You have to think about what opportunities their D will have to make big plays.

Generally that is true, but if anyone can run with the Pats, it's SD. I think the west coast team traveling east can hurt SD but on the other hand NE is playing on a short week.

 

[Judge Smails]

They're going to have to get TD's, because it's almost a lock that they give up 350-450 yards (our league counts yards heavily) and 24+ points. It will be interesting to see. Chargers have to throw downfield more than they did last week, but that will give the Pats time to apply more pressure. I do think Rivers will kill the Pats with underneath stuff though.

 

[Run It Up]

How many more bs stats can we fit into one thread?

WC traveling to EC

Short Weeks

Henne Garbage time yards

I dont think the Pats finish top 5 D this week but I certainly dont think they finish out of the top 10, look for Rivers getting pressured early and often.

 

[duaneok66]

it would be suicidal to play the Pats against Rivers - especially in leagues that penalize you for giving up too many points , , ,