PDSL2 Rounds 15/16 (1 Viewer)

[renesauz]

Order (and PM links):

1. BostonFred

2. renesauz

3. Jeff Pasquino

4. BassNBrew

5. Twilight

6. radballs

7. Duke1948

8. Hear the Footsteps

9. Blue-Kun

10. Team Legacy

11. Domination

12. OldMilwaukee

13. Road Warriors

14. FUBAR

15. Gamma1210

16. el super gringo

Key:

QB

RB

WR

TE

K

D/ST

15.01 - BostonFred - Carolina Panthers, DST22

15.02 - renesauz - Jason Hanson, Det, PK11

15.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Houston Texans, DST23

15.04 - BassNBrew - Ladell Betts, Was, RB59

15.05 - Twilight - New Orleans Saints, DST24

15.06 - radballs - Sebastion Janikowski, Oak, PK12

15.07 - Duke1948 - Najeh Davenport, Pit, RB60

15.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Phil Dawson, CLE, PK13

15.09 - Blue-Kun - Shaun Suisham, WASH, PK14

15.10 - Team Legacy - Darrell Jackson, DEN(??), WR81

15.11 - Domination - Josh Scobee, JAX, PK15

15.12 - OldMilwaukee - Ricky Williams, MIA, RB61

15.13 - Road Warriors - Chris Baker, NYJ, TE26

15.14 - FUBAR - Rex Grossman, Chi, QB31

15.15 - Gamma1210 - Miami Dolphins, DST25

15.16 - el super gringo - Leonard Pope, Ari, TE27

16.01 - el super gringo - Matt Stover, Bal, PK16

16.02 - Gamma1210 - Alex Smith, TB, TE28

16.03 - FUBAR - David Akers, Phi, PK17

16.04 - Road Warriors - Cincinnati Bengals, DST26

16.05 - OldMilwaukee - Lawrence Tynes, NYG, PK18

16.06 - Domination - San Francisco 49ers, DST27

16.07 - Team Legacy - New York Jets, DST28

16.08 - Blue-Kun - Detroit Lions, DST29

16.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Kris Brown, HOU, PK19

16.10 - Duke1948 - Neil Rackers, AZ, PK20

16.11 - radballs - St. Louis Rams, DST30

16.12 - Twilight - Kansas City Chiefs, DST31

16.13 - BassNBrew - Atlanta Falcons, DST32

16.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Lorenzo Booker, MIA, RB62

16.15 - renesauz - Nate Washington, Pit, WR82

16.16 - BostonFred

PREP AREA:

17.01 - BostonFred

17.02 - renesauz

17.03 - Jeff Pasquino

17.04 - BassNBrew

17.05 - Twilight

17.06 - radballs

17.07 - Duke1948

17.08 - Hear the Footsteps

17.09 - Blue-Kun

17.10 - Team Legacy

17.11 - Domination

17.12 - OldMilwaukee

17.13 - Road Warriors

17.14 - FUBAR

17.15 - Gamma1210

17.16 - el super gringo

18.01 - el super gringo

18.02 - Gamma1210

18.03 - FUBAR

18.04 - Road Warriors

18.05 - OldMilwaukee

18.06 - Domination

18.07 - Team Legacy

18.08 - Blue-Kun

18.09 - Hear the Footsteps

18.10 - Duke1948

18.11 - radballs

18.12 - Twilight

18.13 - BassNBrew

18.14 - Jeff Pasquino

18.15 - renesauz

18.16 - BostonFred

 

[renesauz]

Previous Rounds 1-10

PAST ROUNDS:

Rounds 1 and 2:

1.01 - BostonFred - LaDainian Tomlinson, SD, RB1

1.02 - renesauz - Brian Westbrook, PHI, RB2

1.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Adrian Peterson, MIN, RB3

1.04 - BassNBrew - Joseph Addai, INDY, RB4

1.05 - Twilight - Steven Jackson, STL, RB5

1.06 - radballs - Frank Gore, SF, RB6

1.07 - Duke1948 - Marion Barber III, DAL, RB7

1.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Clinton Portis, WASH, RB8

1.09 - Blue-Kun - Marshawn Lynch, BUF, RB9

1.10 - Team Legacy - Randy Moss, NE, WR1

1.11 - Domination - Reggie Bush, NO, RB10

1.12 - OldMilwaukee - Tom Brady, NE, QB1

1.13 - Road Warriors - Willis McGahee, BAL, RB11

1.14 - FUBAR - Maurice Jones-Drew, JAX, RB12

1.15 - Gamma1210 - Larry Johnson, KC, RB13

1.16 - el super gringo - Fast Willie Parker, PIT, RB14

2.01 - el super gringo - Peyton Manning, IND, QB2

2.02 - Gamma1210 - Terrell Owens, DAL, WR2

2.03 - FUBAR - Reggie Wayne, IND, WR3

2.04 - Road Warriors - Ryan Grant, GB, RB15

2.05 - OldMilwaukee - Ronnie Brown, MIA, RB16

2.06 - Domination - Laurence Maroney, NE, RB17

2.07 - Team Legacy - DeAngelo Williams, CAR, RB18

2.08 - Blue-Kun - Braylon Edwards, CLE, WR4

2.09 - Hear the Footsteps - TJ Houshmandzadeh, CIN, WR5

2.10 - Duke1948 - Michael Turner, ATL, RB19

2.11 - radballs - Larry Fitzgerald, AZ, WR6

2.12 - Twilight - Antonio Gates, SD, TE1

2.13 - BassNBrew - Steve Smith, CAR, WR7

2.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Marques Colston, NO, WR8

2.15 - renesauz - Andre Johnson, HOU, WR9

2.16 - BostonFred - Wes Welker, NE, WR10

Rounds 3 and 4:



3.01 - BostonFred - Plaxico Burress, NYG, WR11

3.02 - renesauz - Chad Johnson, CIN, WR12

3.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Torry Holt, STL, WR13

3.04 - BassNBrew - Jason Witten, DAL, TE2

3.05 - Twilight - Anquan Boldin, AZ, WR14

3.06 - radballs - Kellen Winslow Jr., CLE, TE3

3.07 - Duke1948 - Brandon Marshall, DEN, WR15

3.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Jamal Lewis, CLE, RB20

3.09 - Blue-Kun - Tony Gonzalez, KC, TE4

3.10 - Team Legacy - Tony Romo, DAL, QB3

3.11 - Domination - Roy Williams, DET, WR16

3.12 - OldMilwaukee - Javon Walker, OAK, WR17

3.13 - Road Warriors - Greg Jennings, GB, WR18

3.14 - FUBAR - Santonio Holmes, PIT, WR19

3.15 - Gamma1210 - Donald Driver, GB, WR20

3.16 - el super gringo - Earnest Graham, TB, RB21

4.01 - el super gringo - Lee Evans, BUF, WR21

4.02 - Gamma1210 - Darren McFadden, Rookie, RB22

4.03 - FUBAR - Edgerrin James, AZ, RB23

4.04 - Road Warriors - Roddy White, ATL, WR22

4.05 - OldMilwaukee - Dwayne Bowe, KC, WR23

4.06 - Domination - Carson Palmer, CIN, QB4

4.07 - Team Legacy - Thomas Jones, NYJ, RB24

4.08 - Blue-Kun - Drew Brees, NO, QB5

4.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Chris Cooley, WASH, TE5

4.10 - Duke1948 - Derek Anderson, CLE, QB6

4.11 - radballs - Calvin Johnson, DET, WR24

4.12 - Twilight - LenDale White, TEN, RB25

4.13 - BassNBrew - Ben Roethlisberger, PIT, QB7

4.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Matt Hasselbeck, SEA, QB8

4.15 - renesauz - Rashard Mendenhall, Rookie, RB26

4.16 - BostonFred - Dallas Clark, IND, TE6

Rounds 5 and 6:

5.01 - BostonFred - Marc Bulger, STL, QB9

5.02 - renesauz - Donovan McNabb, PHI, QB10

5.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Todd Heap, BAL, TE7

5.04 - BassNBrew - Chris Chambers, SD, WR25

5.05 - Twilight - Jay Cutler, DEN, QB11

5.06 - radballs - Eli Manning, NYG, QB12

5.07 - Duke1948 - Marvin Harrison, IND, WR26

5.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Jericho Cotchery, NYJ, WR27

5.09 - Blue-Kun - Brandon Jacobs, NYG, RB27

5.10 - Team Legacy - Hines Ward, PIT, WR28

5.11 - Domination - Laveranues Coles, NYJ, WR29

5.12 - OldMilwaukee - Vernon Davis, SF, TE8

5.13 - Road Warriors - Kevin Curtis, PHI, WR30

5.14 - FUBAR - David Garrard, JAX, QB13

5.15 - Gamma1210 - Jeremy Shockey, NYG, TE9

5.16 - el super gringo - Owen Daniels, HOU, TE10

6.01 - el super gringo - Jerry Porter, JAX, WR31

6.02 - Gamma1210 - Philip Rivers, SD, QB14

6.03 - FUBAR - Tony Scheffler, DEN, TE11

6.04 - Road Warriors - Heath Miler, PIT, TE12

6.05 - OldMilwaukee - Fred Taylor, JAX, RB28

6.06 - Domination - Santana Moss, WASH, WR32

6.07 - Team Legacy - Rudi Johnson, CIN, RB29

6.08 - Blue-Kun - Bernard Berrian, MIN, WR33

6.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Derrick Mason, BAL, WR34

6.10 - Duke1948 - Reggie Brown, PHI, WR35

6.11 - radballs - Jonathan Stewart, Rookie, RB30

6.12 - Twilight - Joey Galloway, TB, WR36

6.13 - BassNBrew - Julius Jones, SEA, RB31

6.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Bobby Engram, SEA, WR37

6.15 - renesauz - Sidney Rice, Min, WR38

6.16 - BostonFred - Jake Delhomme, Car, QB15

Rounds 7 and 8:

7.01 - BostonFred - Chris Brown, Hou, RB32

7.02 - renesauz - Justin Fargas, Oak, RB33

7.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Travis Henry, DEN, RB34

7.04 - BassNBrew - Vince Young, TEN, QB16

7.05 - Twilight - Deuce McCallister, NO, RB35

7.06 - radballs - Matt Schaub, Hou, QB17

7.07 - Duke1948 - Jason Campbell, Was, QB18

7.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Aaron Rodgers, GB, QB19

7.09 - Blue-Kun - Anthony Gonzalez, INDY, WR39

7.10 - Team Legacy - Alge Crumpler, TEN, TE13

7.11 - Domination - Greg Olsen, CHI, TE14

7.12 - OldMilwaukee - LJ Smith, PHI, TE15

7.13 - Road Warriors - Jon Kitna, DET, QB20

7.14 - FUBAR - Patrick Crayton, DAL, WR40

7.15 - Gamma1210 - Nate Burleson, Sea, WR41

7.16 - el super gringo - Donald Lee, GB, TE16

8.01 - el super gringo - Donte' Stallworth, Cle, WR42

8.02 - Gamma1210 - Matt Leinart, Ari, QB21

8.03 - FUBAR - Jeff Garcia, TB, QB22

8.04 - Road Warriors - Kellen Clemens, NYJ, QB23

8.05 - OldMilwaukee - Bryant Johnson, SF, WR43

8.06 - Domination - JaMarcus Russell, OAK, QB24

8.07 - Team Legacy - Vincent Jackson, SDC, WR44

8.08 - Blue-Kun - Chester Taylor, MIN, RB36

8.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Trent Edwards, BUF, QB25

8.10 - Duke1948 - Ben Watson, NE, TE17

8.11 - radballs - Mark Clayton, BAL, WR45

8.12 - Twilight - Tarvaris Jackson, MIN, QB26

8.13 - BassNBrew - Ted Ginn, MIA, WR46

8.14 - Jeff Pasquino - DJ Hackett, CAR, WR47

8.15 - renesauz - Eric Johnson, NO, TE18

8.16 - BostonFred - Reggie Williams, JAX, WR48

Rounds 9 and 10:

9.01 - BostonFred - Isaac Bruce, SF, WR49

9.02 - renesauz - Ronald Curry, Oak, WR50

9.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Alex Smith, SF, QB27

9.04 - BassNBrew - Selvin Young, DEN, RB37

9.05 - Twilight - Malcolm Kelly, Rookie, WR51

9.06 - radballs - Drew Bennett, STL, WR52

9.07 - Duke1948 - Cedric Benson, Chi, RB38

9.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Ahmad Bradshaw, NYG, RB39

9.09 - Blue-Kun - Roydell Williams, TEN, WR53

9.10 - Team Legacy - Zach Miller, OAK, TE19

9.11 - Domination - Michael Bush, OAK, RB40

9.12 - OldMilwaukee - Mark Bradley, CHI, WR54

9.13 - Road Warriors - Deion "the PUP list" Branch, SEA, WR55

9.14 - FUBAR - Arnaz Battle, SF, WR56

9.15 - Gamma1210 - Jerious Norwood, ATL, RB41

9.16 - el super gringo - Devin Hester, Chi, WR57

10.01 - el super gringo - SanDiego Chargers, DST1

10.02 - Gamma1210 - Devin Thomas, ROOK, WR58

10.03 - FUBAR - Felix Jones, ROOK, RB42

10.04 - Road Warriors - Jabar Gaffney, NE, WR59

10.05 - OldMilwaukee - Shaun Alexander, Sea, RB43

10.06 - Domination - Ernest Wilford, Mia, WR60

10.07 - Team Legacy - David Patten, NO, WR61

10.08 - Blue-Kun - Kenny Watson, Cin, RB44

10.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Shaun McDonald, Det, WR62

10.10 - Duke1948 - Randy McMichael, STL, TE20

10.11 - radballs - Brandon Stokely, Den, WR63

10.12 - Twilight - Ray Rice, Rookie, RB45

10.13 - BassNBrew - Marty Booker, CHI, WR64

10.14 - Jeff Pasquino - James Jones, GB, WR65

10.15 - renesauz - Marcedes Lewis, JAX, TE21

10.16 - BostonFred - Derrick Ward, NYG, RB46

 

[renesauz]

Previous rounds 11+

11.01 - BostonFred - Ahman Green, Hou, RB47

11.02 - renesauz - Brodie Croyle, KC, QB28

11.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Jeff King, Car, TE22

11.04 - BassNBrew - Sammy Morris, NE, RB48

11.05 - Twilight - Steve Smith, NYG, WR66

11.06 - radballs - Tatum Bell, DET, RB49

11.07 - Duke1948 - Justin Gage, Ten, WR67

11.08 - Hear the Footsteps - TIMED OUT. (4 hour clock) (11.09)- Kevin Walter, HOU, WR69

11.09 - Blue-Kun - (11.08) Amani Toomer, NYG, WR68

11.10 - Team Legacy - Chris Redman, ATL, QB29

11.11 - Domination - Ben Utecht, Cin, TE23

11.12 - OldMilwaukee - Chicago Bears, DST2

11.13 - Road Warriors - New England Patriots, DST3

11.14 - FUBAR - Chris Henry, Ten, RB50

11.15 - Gamma1210 - Laurent Robinson, Atl, WR70

11.16 - el super gringo - Adrian Peterson, CHI, RB51

12.01 - el super gringo - Baltimore Ravens, DST4

12.02 - Gamma1210 - Pittsburgh Steelers, DST5

12.03 - FUBAR - New York Giants, DST6

12.04 - Road Warriors - Kevin Smith, Rookie, RB52

12.05 - OldMilwaukee [TIMED OUT 4 HOUR CLOCK] - Craig Davis, SD, WR71

12.06 - Domination - Dallas Cowboys, DST7

12.07 - Team Legacy - Minnesota Vikings, DST8

12.08 - Blue-Kun - Shaun Hill, SF, QB30

12.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Seattle Seahawks, DST9

12.10 - Duke1948 - Green Bay Packers, DST10

12.11 - radballs - Desmond Clark, Chi, TE24

12.12 - Twilight - Fred Davis, ROOK, TE25

12.13 - BassNBrew - Chad Jackson, NE, WR72

12.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Indianapolis Colts, DST11

12.15 - renesauz - Oakland Raiders, DST12

12.16 - BostonFred - Brandon Jackson, GB, RB53

13.01 - BostonFred - Mushin Muhammad, CAR, WR73

13.02 - renesauz - Denver Broncos, DST13

13.03 - Jeff Pasquino - Pierre Thomas, NO, RB54

13.04 - BassNBrew - Philadelphia Eagles, DST14

13.05 - Twilight - Mason Crosby, GB, PK1

13.06 - radballs - Jacksonville Jaguars, DST15

13.07 - Duke1948 - Jacoby Jones, Hou, WR74

13.08 - Hear the Footsteps - Kevin Jones, ?????, RB55

13.09 - Blue-Kun - Arizona Cardinals, DST16

13.10 - Team Legacy - Leon Washington, NYJ, RB56

13.11 - Domination - Limas Sweed, Rookie, WR75

13.12 - OldMilwaukee - TIMED OUT [2 Hour Clock]

13.13 - Road Warriors - Kevin Faulk, NE, RB57

13.14 - FUBAR - Antwaan Randle El, WASH, WR76

13.12 - OldMilwaukee - TIMED OUT [2 Hour Clock] - Michael Jenkins, ATL, Rookie, WR77

13.15 - Gamma1210 - Chris Johnson, Rookie, RB58

13.16 - el super gringo - Stephen Gostkowski, NE, PK2

14.01 - el super gringo - Robert Meachem, NO, WR78

14.02 - Gamma1210 - Adam Vinatieri, INDY, PK3

14.03 - FUBAR - Tennessee Titans, DST17

14.04 - Road Warriors - Nick Folk, DAL, PK4

14.05 - OldMilwaukee - Buffalo Bills, DST18

14.06 - Domination - Josh Brown, STL, PK5

14.07 - Team Legacy - James Hardy, Rookie, WR79

14.08 - Blue-Kun - Cleveland Browns, DST19

14.09 - Hear the Footsteps - Tampa Bay Buccaneers, DST20

14.10 - Duke1948 - Washington Redskins, DST21

14.11 - radballs - Shayne Graham, CIN, PK6

14.12 - Twilight - Jeff Webb, KC, WR80

14.13 - BassNBrew - Nate Kaeding, SD, PK7

14.14 - Jeff Pasquino - Rob Bironas, TEN, PK8

14.15 - renesauz - Robbie Gould, Chi, PK9

14.16 - BostonFred - Jason Elam, Atl, PK10

 

[bostonfred]

Jason Elam

Carolina Panthers DST

 

[renesauz]

Jason Hanson

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Sent a PM to Road Warriors with my pick!

 

[Road Warriors]

Sent a PM to Road Warriors with my pick!

I got the PM, but accidently deleted it doing some inbox maintenance. I've PM'd OM to resend.Sorry for any delay.

 

[Team Legacy]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while...

Pasquino, this is all your fault.

 

[FUBAR]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

 

[Team Legacy]

Where is he??? 2:08... schedules are out... Man, this is getting ridiculous!

 

[Team Legacy]

I escaped the byes rather nicely. How'd everyone else do?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I escaped the byes rather nicely. How'd everyone else do?

Trying to figure that out, guy.....Give me a few minutes.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Houston Defense.

 

[BassNBrew]

15.4 L. Betts, RB - WAS

I absolutely got crushed by bye weeks. Both QBs off together. 3 of 4 RBs gone inc. both starters. Was planning on only drafting 4 RBs but now that plan has changed. Better secure Betts before someone else does.

 

[BassNBrew]

I escaped the byes rather nicely. How'd everyone else do?

It's going to be a very long year... make that very short year....

 

[bostonfred]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

If you don't understand why this is highly unethical, then I'm glad I don't play in any money leagues with you.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

If you don't understand why this is highly unethical, then I'm glad I don't play in any money leagues with you.

Translation - BFred didn't realize the schedule was due out today.

 

[bostonfred]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

If you don't understand why this is highly unethical, then I'm glad I don't play in any money leagues with you.

Translation - BFred didn't realize the schedule was due out today.

No, translation - you're one of the first to complain when people take too long for their picks, but you held up the draft today to maximize your own advantage. This draft is the first PDSL I can remember that's in any conceivable danger of going past the NFL draft. I got my picks in last night because I knew renesauz was online. It was late and I was tired but I tried to get them in so we could keep this thing moving. He picked last night, too. Then we lost yet another day because you wanted to milk the clock for your own advantage. I understand you didn't hide it. It's not like you were being sneaky. We just seem to disagree on the purpose of the clock. I think that the reason we have a clock is because people have real lives and jobs. You seem to think that the purpose of the clock is to penalize people who are late with picks and to maximize your own advantage. I don't like it when people play that way. It's unethical. I put a poll up in the shark pool, making sure not to reference names or even mention the fact that it was at this board or one of the PDSLs. If it turns out other people feel that this is a highly ethical thing you did, then I'll gladly retract my statement.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while... Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

If you don't understand why this is highly unethical, then I'm glad I don't play in any money leagues with you.

Translation - BFred didn't realize the schedule was due out today.

No, translation - you're one of the first to complain when people take too long for their picks, but you held up the draft today to maximize your own advantage. This draft is the first PDSL I can remember that's in any conceivable danger of going past the NFL draft. I got my picks in last night because I knew renesauz was online. It was late and I was tired but I tried to get them in so we could keep this thing moving. He picked last night, too. Then we lost yet another day because you wanted to milk the clock for your own advantage. I understand you didn't hide it. It's not like you were being sneaky. We just seem to disagree on the purpose of the clock. I think that the reason we have a clock is because people have real lives and jobs. You seem to think that the purpose of the clock is to penalize people who are late with picks and to maximize your own advantage. I don't like it when people play that way. It's unethical. I put a poll up in the shark pool, making sure not to reference names or even mention the fact that it was at this board or one of the PDSLs. If it turns out other people feel that this is a highly ethical thing you did, then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I'll gladly put up my average time in this draft against anyone else's.I've also covered several people here with PMs to move this draft along - which has been the slowest of all the PDSLs.Since I knew I was going to be OTC today for a second defense, I thought it would be wise to do exactly what I did and I'd do it again. Several teams will have 6 picks with knowledge of the schedule, but I should only have 5? Dude, get real.

 

[Twilight]

15.05 New Orleans D

 

[bostonfred]

I have this eery feeling, we will be here a while...

Pasquino, this is all your fault.

Oh.. until around 2:00 Eastern, I suspect.

I haven't "milked" any clocks in this draft and I've worked pretty hard to keep this thing moving, so yeah - I'm going to use most of my time OTC today until the schedule comes out. Only seems right to do -

If you don't understand why this is highly unethical, then I'm glad I don't play in any money leagues with you.

Translation - BFred didn't realize the schedule was due out today.

No, translation - you're one of the first to complain when people take too long for their picks, but you held up the draft today to maximize your own advantage. This draft is the first PDSL I can remember that's in any conceivable danger of going past the NFL draft. I got my picks in last night because I knew renesauz was online. It was late and I was tired but I tried to get them in so we could keep this thing moving. He picked last night, too. Then we lost yet another day because you wanted to milk the clock for your own advantage.

I understand you didn't hide it. It's not like you were being sneaky. We just seem to disagree on the purpose of the clock. I think that the reason we have a clock is because people have real lives and jobs. You seem to think that the purpose of the clock is to penalize people who are late with picks and to maximize your own advantage. I don't like it when people play that way. It's unethical.

I put a poll up in the shark pool, making sure not to reference names or even mention the fact that it was at this board or one of the PDSLs. If it turns out other people feel that this is a highly ethical thing you did, then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I'll gladly put up my average time in this draft against anyone else's.I've also covered several people here with PMs to move this draft along - which has been the slowest of all the PDSLs.

Since I knew I was going to be OTC today for a second defense, I thought it would be wise to do exactly what I did and I'd do it again. Several teams will have 6 picks with knowledge of the schedule, but I should only have 5?

Dude, get real.

I could have had seven. So could renesauz. It's probably because we're not as well informed as you, though. That's the only reason we didn't milk the clock. As someone who picks at the start of the final round, maybe I should max out my clock the rest of the way to delay this thing until the NFL draft, then wait for my makeup picks until I know where the remaining rookies land. It'd be really advantageous for me to take advantage of the "missed pick - can make up at any time" rule, as long as I can stretch the draft out that long. And since I've made my picks quickly this draft, I can take solace in the fact that I'm only wasting other people's time for my own advantage.

The funny thing is, you're one of the worst whiners about people being slow with their picks when they have real life issues they're dealing with. But when you delay the rest of the league so you can have more information for your picks, you use the smiley because you're just having silly fun. That's completely backwards.

 

[BassNBrew]

Interesting...I figured this was going to come to a head. I should have halted the draft last nite after fred's 15.16 pick. To that end, if either fred or rene want to change a pick in rd 16 I'll give them until noon tomorrow to do so but they can only take someone who's currently available.

I don't think Jeff did anything unethical. If the music had stopped on me, my plan was to tell Twilight and those after me that I was waving my clock and to go ahead and pick if they wanted. The schedule made a huge impact on my pick.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The funny thing is, you're one of the worst whiners about people being slow with their picks when they have real life issues they're dealing with. But when you delay the rest of the league so you can have more information for your picks, you use the smiley because you're just having silly fun. That's completely backwards.

Complete here and I'm not going to let you get away with it.Show me when and where I have been on anyone's case because they didn't pick due to life issues.I'll gladly let anyone else I've ever drafted with here and I've covered / posted a pick for them speak about whether I've got their backs or not.You're speaking out of your ### and you should quit while you're behind.

 

[FUBAR]

As my joke above will indicate, I completely expected whomever was on the clock today to wait. I never considered whether it was unethical or not, but I can understand where someone would believe that.

 

[BassNBrew]

Guys...let's just move on. It was my bad as commish for not addressing something in advance that I knew might be an issue. I've rectified the problem and will address it ahead of time in future years.

 

[renesauz]

Guys...let's just move on. It was my bad as commish for not addressing something in advance that I knew might be an issue. I've rectified the problem and will address it ahead of time in future years.

I don't have any real issues with this. Let's just consider it a lesson learned for future drafts. While Fred is right about the advantage being "unfair", I also firmly believe that said advantage is badly overstated....especially at this stage of the draft.EX: I'm screwed at WR, with my top three all on a week 8 bye...BUT, being at this turn, I felt that I had to take both of my PK's. Had I known the byes, I still would have taken two PK's, and maybe even the same two I took...because of the general point we're at in the draft.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Check in thrice daily!! Times of old.......

Technology...

uff puff:

ETA: Am I up yet!!

uf puf:

ETA : two hour clocks..bring them on!

:lalaland:

 

[Team Legacy]

Guys...let's just move on. It was my bad as commish for not addressing something in advance that I knew might be an issue. I've rectified the problem and will address it ahead of time in future years.

Good idea man. I see BF's point of view, but I side with Jeff on this one. I would have waited myself today, I'm 100% certain of that, although I am guilty of getting on BF in the past for taking too much time, and he quickly reminded me that real life is still going on. (this was a few years ago and I still remember). I think back to his frustration that day and now that I'm in the same shoes (checking in when I can, busy times) I can sympathize more, although those of us with busy lives have to remember that if we're signing up for these drafts, that it takes a certain level of dedication and consideration for others playing. Seems like this draft, people just signed up and didn't really give it the effort it needs to get through. With that said, I still think we finish before the draft.

 

[el super gringo]

meanwhile, who's next and how much clock do they have left?

 

[renesauz]

To be honest, until the last few days I thought our pace was just fine. Not blazing, but certainly adequate. WE should be done more then a week before the draft.

 

[renesauz]

meanwhile, who's next and how much clock do they have left?

Radballs. With the clock off midnight to 8 AM EST, he has until 9:45 EST to make his pick.ETA: With all the extra crap in this thread today, he might well have missed that he's up.

 

[radballs]

meanwhile, who's next and how much clock do they have left?

Radballs. With the clock off midnight to 8 AM EST, he has until 9:45 EST to make his pick.ETA: With all the extra crap in this thread today, he might well have missed that he's up.

Really sorry guys. I lost my internet at home and I've been on the road the last 24 hours. Pick coming up really soon.

 

[radballs]

F me. I'll take Seabass.

Janikowski. PMing Duke. Sorry guys.

 

[Blue-Kun]

I'm assuming after all that crap we'll be rolling along as per the usual.

so I sent a PM to HTF, so he can post my pick when he posts his, although i'm half tempted to just post it since, shock of shocks, i'm taking a kicker or a defense.

 

[Duke1948]

15.07 Najeh Davenport RB PIT

PMing next

 

[Road Warriors]

PM me when Old Milwaukee is up. I have his picks.

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

15.08: PK - Phil Dawson

 

[Hear-the-Footsteps]

Per PM, Blue-Kun takes...

15.09: PK - Shaun Suisham

Will PM next guy.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I put a poll up in the shark pool, making sure not to reference names or even mention the fact that it was at this board or one of the PDSLs. If it turns out other people feel that this is a highly ethical thing you did, then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I'll post this here rather than that biased poll, but your spin is way off in that thread. My last pick that night was NOT at 5:40PM, it was later in the evening after dinner with the family, putting the kids to bed, and then watching a show with my wife. I picked somewhere around 10 or 11pm. For someone who makes comments about "real life getting in the way", pardon me for walking away from the FBG Boards for an evening. Next time I'll ask for your permission.Believe what you want about the ethics here, but for a draft that we'll all be referring to for the next 8 months, not drafting for the best interests of your team is just dumb, free league or not.This league is allegedly about bragging rights, so I'm in a no win situation. I knew my pick was up that morning, but I chose to wait. The schedule directly impacts my pick, which was going to be my second defense regardless. Now I have the chance to see the schedule, which does matter, but I'm not supposed to look or wait?Like many others here, I wouldn't have begrudged ANYONE who wanted to wait to see their schedule - YET DIDN'T TIME OUT. Did I know when the schedule was coming out before Monday? No. Despite your spin in your biased posts and poll, very few people even believe it is unethical - and that's with the wrong facts (implying I took 21 hours to pick? Please.....) Believe what you want guy, retract or don't - I'm done with you.

 

[Team Legacy]

Okay, I'll take a stab here...

15.10 Darrell Jackson, WR81 Free Agent (soon to be Denver Broncos)

pm'ing

at wr81, I think he's more than worth the risk.

 

[bostonfred]

I put a poll up in the shark pool, making sure not to reference names or even mention the fact that it was at this board or one of the PDSLs. If it turns out other people feel that this is a highly ethical thing you did, then I'll gladly retract my statement.

I'll post this here rather than that biased poll, but your spin is way off in that thread. My last pick that night was NOT at 5:40PM, it was later in the evening after dinner with the family, putting the kids to bed, and then watching a show with my wife. I picked somewhere around 10 or 11pm. For someone who makes comments about "real life getting in the way", pardon me for walking away from the FBG Boards for an evening. Next time I'll ask for your permission.Believe what you want about the ethics here, but for a draft that we'll all be referring to for the next 8 months, not drafting for the best interests of your team is just dumb, free league or not.

This league is allegedly about bragging rights, so I'm in a no win situation. I knew my pick was up that morning, but I chose to wait. The schedule directly impacts my pick, which was going to be my second defense regardless. Now I have the chance to see the schedule, which does matter, but I'm not supposed to look or wait?

Like many others here, I wouldn't have begrudged ANYONE who wanted to wait to see their schedule - YET DIDN'T TIME OUT. Did I know when the schedule was coming out before Monday? No.

Despite your spin in your biased posts and poll, very few people even believe it is unethical - and that's with the wrong facts (implying I took 21 hours to pick? Please.....) Believe what you want guy, retract or don't - I'm done with you.

Over half the voters there said it was unethical. The few who posted that it was ethical said that, while it was legal and probably ethical, the commish wouldn't be making any friends. Yes, you knew when the schedule came out on Monday. That's the day that you started delaying the draft so you could make your pick.

* At 3PM on Monday, you posted that the bye weeks were coming out on Tuesday. Link.

* At 5:40 on Monday, Bass picked. You then waited over six hours to make that pick. That's a pretty long stretch, but more than forgivable.

* You then took over 14 to make your next pick, even posting that you planned on waiting until the schedule came out.

In total, you definitely took the 14 hours, and it sure seems like you held the draft up for 21 total hours, to make sure it was your turn to pick when the bye week info came out. It might be legal within the rules, but it was legal in the other four leagues going on right now, and not one of them had someone take an abnormal amount of time to make their pick on Tuesday.

Let me ask you this - the first thing Bass did when he saw this was offer for me and renesauz to remake our picks. Neither of us opted to do so because it wasn't that big a deal. You were clearly very concerned about the fact that other people might have the advantage of seeing the schedule for seven picks instead of six or whatever you said. Why didn't you say, hey guys, let's put the draft on hold at the end of this round? Or when you were delaying the draft on Tuesday, why didn't you offer the same thing Bass did? Why is it that the first thing you said to me when I mentioned it was that I was just bitter that I hadn't thought of it? The reason is, you were only worried about your own advantage, not a level playing field.

That's fine. That's how you play. I just don't think that's very ethical, and I wouldn't want to play in a money league with you because I'd constantly have to worry about you finding things that are technically within the rules.

I don't care if you want to take your full eight hours every pick. I don't care if you time out. It's a spring league for no money. Which is why I was surprised to see you do something like this. It's like that kid who plays full tackle when everyone else is playing two hand touch. At some point, hopefully you'll grow out of that. In the meantime, people don't really want to play football with you anymore.

 

[Domination]

15.11 Josh Scobee, PK, JAX

PMing next

 

[Road Warriors]

Old Milwaukee selects:

15.12 Ricky Williams, RB, MIA

 

[Road Warriors]

15.13 Chris Baker, TE, NYJ

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Over half the voters there said it was unethical. The few who posted that it was ethical said that, while it was legal and probably ethical, the commish wouldn't be making any friends.

Might want to count again there guy, and like I said your inaccuracy in the first post makes it extremely biased.

Yes, you knew when the schedule came out on Monday. That's the day that you started delaying the draft so you could make your pick.

* At 3PM on Monday, you posted that the bye weeks were coming out on Tuesday. Link.

* At 5:40 on Monday, Bass picked. You then waited over six hours to make that pick. That's a pretty long stretch, but more than forgivable.

* You then took over 14 to make your next pick, even posting that you planned on waiting until the schedule came out.

In total, you definitely took the 14 hours, and it sure seems like you held the draft up for 21 total hours, to make sure it was your turn to pick when the bye week info came out. It might be legal within the rules, but it was legal in the other four leagues going on right now, and not one of them had someone take an abnormal amount of time to make their pick on Tuesday.

So apparently I'm not allowed to sleep, eh? Thanks.

I check this thread several times a day, but believe it or not I do like to take some time away so that I don't get frustrated by petty discussions like this.

It's unfortunate that my turn came up on this draw and it was a pick that had bye week implications. Should I have conferred with BNB or Twilight? Probably. This sort of came up last year, but the schedule was pushed back (like last year) and we didn't deal with it then.

Let me ask you this - the first thing Bass did when he saw this was offer for me and renesauz to remake our picks. Neither of us opted to do so because it wasn't that big a deal. You were clearly very concerned about the fact that other people might have the advantage of seeing the schedule for seven picks instead of six or whatever you said. Why didn't you say, hey guys, let's put the draft on hold at the end of this round? Or when you were delaying the draft on Tuesday, why didn't you offer the same thing Bass did? Why is it that the first thing you said to me when I mentioned it was that I was just bitter that I hadn't thought of it? The reason is, you were only worried about your own advantage, not a level playing field.

Hindsight is 20/20, and perhaps that is what I should have done. It still doesn't change that I would still wait.I probably should have made mention of my decision at some point (not sure I did) but TL and FUBAR certainly saw that as a possibility.

 

[FUBAR]

Over half the voters there said it was unethical.

55/85 either voted ethical or fair game.

 

[FUBAR]

15.13 Chris Baker, TE, NYJ

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Okay, I'll take a stab here...

15.10 Darrell Jackson, WR81 Free Agent (soon to be Denver Broncos)

pm'ing

at wr81, I think he's more than worth the risk.

Good pick. Had I not thought I needed to lock up DEF2 I would have nabbed him.