Pedestrians with Stroller, Car Runs Red Light, And Then... (1 Viewer)

[AAABatteries]

I am saying sheik is correct, yes(or at least was correct). I had found an older cheat sheet from a penn drivers ed class that I cant seem to find now that seemed to describe what he was saying. I cant seem to find it now, but I did find the state statute which reads different from others...

You can't lawfully be in the crosswalk on a green arrow where I live. In fact my state expressly forbids it when facing a green arrow.

I brought up the move to the flashing yellow to show that the state of pennsylvania has identified the problem and is making the move to correct it so no need for everybody to start calling the Penn DOT. 

In doing some research on the flashing yellows it seems West Virginia, Maryland, Penn, and Hawaii were the last holdouts on flashing yellow, with Hawaii and Penn being the most recent to implement.

That seems somewhat relevant since somebody mentioned thinking they saw what Sheik was talking about in Hawaii. 

I'm still not sure reading that statute that it says green arrow plus Walk happens - seems more like it's talking about when a pedestrian is allowed to cross.  But even if I grant that it's intentional, what is so idiotic about that is if I'm traveling in the opposite direction than the car turning then I can't even see the green arrow - am I supposed to look over my shoulder to see if the car has a green arrow when I already have a "WALK" signal?  What kind of idiots run those state DOTs?

 

[AAABatteries]

We need a @Jaysus CAD drawing of this just to be safe.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I'm still not sure reading that statute that it says green arrow plus Walk happens - seems more like it's talking about when a pedestrian is allowed to cross.  But even if I grant that it's intentional, what is so idiotic about that is if I'm traveling in the opposite direction than the car turning then I can't even see the green arrow - am I supposed to look over my shoulder to see if the car has a green arrow when I already have a "WALK" signal?  What kind of idiots run those state DOTs?

Yes, I get I don't have a video recording of somebody entering a walk that has a green arrow signal and a walk sign.

The statute doesn't specifically state such a scenario either. The point in looking at the statute is to read that it does allow pedestrians to enter such an intersection, whereas every other state I have looked at has language expressly forbidding it.

Wyoming, New York, Tennessee, South Carolina, california

(C)  Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian-control signal, as provided in section 291C-33, pedestrians facing any green signal, except when the sole green signal is a turn arrow, may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk.

Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian-control signal, as provided in Section 56-5-990, pedestrians facing any green signal, except when the sole green signal is a turn arrow, may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk.

Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian-control signal as provided in section eleven hundred twelve , pedestrians facing any steady green signal, except when the sole green signal is a turn arrow, may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk.

(C) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian-control signal, as provided by W.S. 31-5-404, pedestrians facing any green signal, except when the sole green signal is a turn arrow, may proceed across the roadway within any marked or unmarked crosswalk.

A pedestrian facing a green arrow turn signal, unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as provided in Section 21456, shall not enter the roadway.

Every state I look up forbids it and mostly uses fairly identical language whereas Penn. clearly allows it. 

Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian-control signal as provided in section 3113 (relating to pedestrian-control signals), pedestrians facing any green signal may proceed across the roadway within a crosswalk.

That, IMO, is enough evidence to back up what he is saying is true. 

 

[AAABatteries]

Yes, I get I don't have a video recording of somebody entering a walk that has a green arrow signal and a walk sign.

The statute doesn't specifically state such a scenario either. The point in looking at the statute is to read that it does allow pedestrians to enter such an intersection, whereas every other state I have looked at has language expressly forbidding it.

Wyoming, New York, Tennessee, South Carolina, california

Every state I look up forbids it and mostly uses fairly identical language whereas Penn. clearly allows it. 

That, IMO, is enough evidence to back up what he is saying is true. 

Saying I’m allowed to cross (or not cross) doesn’t necessarily mean I would have a WALK (or DON’T WALK) signal.  I’m not saying Sheik is wrong or lying, I’m saying it’s a flaw and I would report it.