Pennington V. Clemens (1 Viewer)

[NorrisB]

He did well in the 4th quarter, and not so much in the earlier quarters. That's what doesn't make me sold on him just yet, but Clemens throws the ball so hard in the clutch, that he leaves holes in receivers hands, and the ball goes clean through. I've been such a huge chad supporter but i think kellen gives em the best shot at winning, once he settled down and schott allowed him to do his thing he played great. Chad is a good back up and always will but i think kellen gives the Jets a higher ceiling and a better shot at winning, your thoughts people?

 

[FavreCo]

Clemons. The guy has an arm. The time has come.

 

[Reaper]

Clemens...

Sorry Chad

BUT, I don't think there is a QB in the NFL to better learn from than Chad and Clemens is in a real good spot.... The way he prepares, his drive, the way he studies the game, on and on...

 

[zamboni]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

 

[Reaper]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...I think Chad can only take a team so far.

 

[zamboni]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...I think Chad can only take a team so far.

I guess I'm among the few that haven't given up on the season yet. To be sure though, two conference losses right off the bat won't help matters.

 

[Sammy3469]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Yeah, but with their upcoming schedule, they have to play for this season. If they sputter over the next 7 games, you turn the reigns over to Clemmons after the bye, but with home games against Buff, Wash, Philly, and Miami coming up and road games against Buff, Giants, and Cincy, it's not inconcievable that they could go on a little run here.

 

[valhallan]

I was very high on Clemens coming into the year and the Baltimore game just confirmed those thoughts. He's fearless in the pocket, can feel pressure, has an accurate gun, hits his receivers in stride, and doesn't make stupid throws.

Chad is still a viable quarterback, but this team definitely belongs to Clemens in 2008 at the latest.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The Jets win that game if not for Justin Mc. Clemens deserves a shot against a weaker defense.

 

[zamboni]

The Jets win that game if not for Justin Mc. Clemens deserves a shot against a weaker defense.

Reports are Pennington is starting if healthy.

 

[Reaper]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think there's much of a drop-off from Pennington to Clemens, and that's very good for Jets fans. I think the Jets have a small margin of error to make the playoffs though, and playing Clemens might be enough to keep them out of the post-season.

Pennington's the QB when healthy, but they've got a terrific #2.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

 

[Spartans Rule]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

Games against the Patriots and Ravens, no less.

 

[J R]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

I may just misunderstand what people mean by this when they say Chad 'took' this team to the playoffs. They finished 18th in the league in points scored. They finished 19th in passing yards, 13th in ypa, and 24th in passing TDs. Or, if you prefer context-adjusted stats, they finished 12th in DVOA passing offense (before you jump to blame this on Barlow, the Jets ranked 18th in DVOA rush offense). In the stats at least, I just don't see how Pennington was so vital to the team's success last year that he's irreplaceable now. It may be that Clemens isn't ready or isn't better than Pennington yet, but I'm suspicious when I see terms thrown around like 'taking' or 'leading' rather than concrete stats.

 

[Reaper]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

Well, I'm "just" a fan. And That's not giving up - That is being realistic about when a team can contend.

And I'm not giving up if it is - My Jet emotions hang on every snap of the ball and I'll enjoy the ride for the most part but, I'm looking at when and where the Jets can make a run for it all and wether or not it will be with Chad or Kellen.... That's what the thread is asking Chad or Kellen - My vote is still Kellen.

 

[Reaper]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

Games against the Patriots and Ravens, no less.

I said I was looking at the entire schedule...... I think this team can do some great things this year....

As Green as I bleed though, I stil have to say they aren't Super Bowl contenders this year. Sorry.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.

I'd take him on my team any day.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

I may just misunderstand what people mean by this when they say Chad 'took' this team to the playoffs. They finished 18th in the league in points scored. They finished 19th in passing yards, 13th in ypa, and 24th in passing TDs. Or, if you prefer context-adjusted stats, they finished 12th in DVOA passing offense (before you jump to blame this on Barlow, the Jets ranked 18th in DVOA rush offense). In the stats at least, I just don't see how Pennington was so vital to the team's success last year that he's irreplaceable now. It may be that Clemens isn't ready or isn't better than Pennington yet, but I'm suspicious when I see terms thrown around like 'taking' or 'leading' rather than concrete stats.

I don't think Pennington was terrific last year, and I agree that "leading a team" to the playoffs is more misleading than useful.But he handled the offense well and kept the team afloat when the Jets didn't have a running game. He completed 68% of his passes in the Jets wins last year, and had a 98 QBR. When the Jets won, it was often because of him.He's not one of the best five QBs in the league, and he's probably a grade below the top 10 QBs, too. But I think he's in the top 15, whereas Clemens (as impossible as he is to rank right now) is probably a bit below that. Clemens has the possibility to be a top 10 QB one day, but then again, so does Chad. And Pennington's been a top 5 QB before, so I don't think it's a stretch to say he can do that again.

 

[Chase Stuart]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

Well, I'm "just" a fan. And That's not giving up - That is being realistic about when a team can contend.

And I'm not giving up if it is - My Jet emotions hang on every snap of the ball and I'll enjoy the ride for the most part but, I'm looking at when and where the Jets can make a run for it all and wether or not it will be with Chad or Kellen.... That's what the thread is asking Chad or Kellen - My vote is still Kellen.

You'd need to prove a ton of things to be right about your desire to play Clemens now, assuming you agree that Chad is better for the 2007 Jets.1. Clemens' ceiling is higher than Pennington's

2. Clemens has a very good chance of reaching his ceiling, compared to Pennington's.

3. Playing Clemens now is going to help him reach his ceiling faster and/or raise his ceiling.

4. Playing Clemens now isn't going to hurt the rest of the team reach their potential/raise their ceiling.

I'm not sure about 1, I'm not sure about 2, and I don't think 3 or 4 is correct. Saying that all four are correct have me shuked.

 

[valhallan]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league.

He is, but Clemens looks like the best non-starting young QB in the league right now. Given the success of teams transitioning to young QBs like Romo, Cutler, Young, Leinart, Rivers, and Campbell, there's plenty of reason to discuss a possible changing of the guard for the Jets.

 

[zamboni]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

I may just misunderstand what people mean by this when they say Chad 'took' this team to the playoffs. They finished 18th in the league in points scored. They finished 19th in passing yards, 13th in ypa, and 24th in passing TDs. Or, if you prefer context-adjusted stats, they finished 12th in DVOA passing offense (before you jump to blame this on Barlow, the Jets ranked 18th in DVOA rush offense). In the stats at least, I just don't see how Pennington was so vital to the team's success last year that he's irreplaceable now. It may be that Clemens isn't ready or isn't better than Pennington yet, but I'm suspicious when I see terms thrown around like 'taking' or 'leading' rather than concrete stats.

It's not all about the stats. It's often about moving the offense, keeping the defense off the field, and making big plays when they're needed. He did those things quite well last year, even if he didn't put up tons of yards and TDs.

 

[Reaper]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).

Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

But, we all know the schedule last year was favorable and this year's team is not yet a contender...So, now, you're looking at 2008 and who is the QB for 2008 and wether or not it's better for KC to get experience watching or on the bench...

Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learn from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year...

I think Chad can only take a team so far.

Are you saying that the Jets are Legit Super Bowl Contenders for 2007 OR that 2008 doesn't come after 2007?????

I'm laughing at you giving up on the season after two games. No one in the Jets organization is thinking about 2008 right now.

Well, I'm "just" a fan. And That's not giving up - That is being realistic about when a team can contend.

And I'm not giving up if it is - My Jet emotions hang on every snap of the ball and I'll enjoy the ride for the most part but, I'm looking at when and where the Jets can make a run for it all and wether or not it will be with Chad or Kellen.... That's what the thread is asking Chad or Kellen - My vote is still Kellen.

You'd need to prove a ton of things to be right about your desire to play Clemens now, assuming you agree that Chad is better for the 2007 Jets.1. Clemens' ceiling is higher than Pennington's

2. Clemens has a very good chance of reaching his ceiling, compared to Pennington's.

3. Playing Clemens now is going to help him reach his ceiling faster and/or raise his ceiling.

4. Playing Clemens now isn't going to hurt the rest of the team reach their potential/raise their ceiling.

I'm not sure about 1, I'm not sure about 2, and I don't think 3 or 4 is correct. Saying that all four are correct have me shuked.

I actually Said "Sure, give Chad the nod for a little while more and let KC learns from watching Chad but, Clemens needs to get experience this year..."

I think it's the best thing in the world to Learn from Chad..... I guess this vote can be broken down into "FOR THIS WEEK" and "OVERALL"

Chad will play until the season looks out of hand and then Kellen should play.... Even if the season doesn't get out of hand, I think you need to give Kellen series.

I think you start Chad now just because it's tough to go back one you give Kellen the keys....

But, in the end, my opinion is that the team takes the next step when Kellen is ready and treads water till then hoping to sneak into the playoffs and maybe win a game again.....

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.I'd take him on my team any day.

Pennington went 8-5* in 2002, 4-6 in 2003**, 8-5 in 2004***, 1-1 in 2005****, 10-6 in 2006, 0-1 in 2007*****, for a total record of 31-24. More often than not the Jets have had pretty tough schedules, so if anything, that record probably understates how good Pennington's been. Jets have gone 8-19 in games decided by other QBs during that stretch. And for all the knocks on Pennington vs. the Patriots, in some ways he seems to have turned the corner. In his last two starts against the Patriots (coincidentally, his last two starts) he's got 39/61 (64%), for 467 yards (7.7 Y/A) with 3 TDs and 1 INT. That's a QBR of 96.8 against the best team in the league.*Giving him an L vs. Jacksonville in which he did not start**Giving him an L vs. Philadelphia in which he did not start***Giving him an L vs. Buffalo in a game he did not finish****Giving him an ND vs. Jacksonville in a game he did not finish*****Giving him an L vs. New England in a game he did not finish

 

[cstu]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.

I'd take him on my team any day.

You mean 2006?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.

I'd take him on my team any day.

You mean 2006?

He was mostly healthy in 2002 and 2004.

 

[J R]

From an arm standpoint, Clemens no question. But in terms of leading this team, I still think Chad is the better option (at least right now).Many seem to have forgotten the poise Chad showed last year in taking an entirely dismissed team to the playoffs.

I may just misunderstand what people mean by this when they say Chad 'took' this team to the playoffs. They finished 18th in the league in points scored. They finished 19th in passing yards, 13th in ypa, and 24th in passing TDs. Or, if you prefer context-adjusted stats, they finished 12th in DVOA passing offense (before you jump to blame this on Barlow, the Jets ranked 18th in DVOA rush offense). In the stats at least, I just don't see how Pennington was so vital to the team's success last year that he's irreplaceable now. It may be that Clemens isn't ready or isn't better than Pennington yet, but I'm suspicious when I see terms thrown around like 'taking' or 'leading' rather than concrete stats.

It's not all about the stats. It's often about moving the offense, keeping the defense off the field, and making big plays when they're needed. He did those things quite well last year, even if he didn't put up tons of yards and TDs.

Those things are in fact measured by stats. FO at least would claim DVOA captures them, and I included DVOA specifically in anticipation of this type of counter argument. The Jets ranked 12th there, which is a decent enough defense of Pennington, much better than I've seen anyone else make.

 

[J R]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.I'd take him on my team any day.

Pennington went 8-5* in 2002, 4-6 in 2003**, 8-5 in 2004***, 1-1 in 2005****, 10-6 in 2006, 0-1 in 2007*****, for a total record of 31-24. More often than not the Jets have had pretty tough schedules, so if anything, that record probably understates how good Pennington's been. Jets have gone 8-19 in games decided by other QBs during that stretch. And for all the knocks on Pennington vs. the Patriots, in some ways he seems to have turned the corner. In his last two starts against the Patriots (coincidentally, his last two starts) he's got 39/61 (64%), for 467 yards (7.7 Y/A) with 3 TDs and 1 INT. That's a QBR of 96.8 against the best team in the league.*Giving him an L vs. Jacksonville in which he did not start**Giving him an L vs. Philadelphia in which he did not start***Giving him an L vs. Buffalo in a game he did not finish****Giving him an ND vs. Jacksonville in a game he did not finish*****Giving him an L vs. New England in a game he did not finish

In answering the question of the thread, I don't know how much going back to 2002 helps us, and I doubt proving that Pennington is better than Testaverde and Bollinger and Quincy Carter does much for us either. As for your post, if you give Chad a ND for his 9-19 0/2 performance against Jax in 2005, you end up with his backups - Testaverde and Bollinger, who fit pretty much no one's definition of capable backup that season - going 3-11 that year, which makes up the bulk of your 8-19 W-L record for Pennington's backups.Citing W-L records for Pennington, Testaverde, Bollinger, and Carter doesn't really help me decide whether or not Clemens is the better QB or if/when he will take over. It seems to me so much avoiding the question.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.I'd take him on my team any day.

Pennington went 8-5* in 2002, 4-6 in 2003**, 8-5 in 2004***, 1-1 in 2005****, 10-6 in 2006, 0-1 in 2007*****, for a total record of 31-24. More often than not the Jets have had pretty tough schedules, so if anything, that record probably understates how good Pennington's been. Jets have gone 8-19 in games decided by other QBs during that stretch. And for all the knocks on Pennington vs. the Patriots, in some ways he seems to have turned the corner. In his last two starts against the Patriots (coincidentally, his last two starts) he's got 39/61 (64%), for 467 yards (7.7 Y/A) with 3 TDs and 1 INT. That's a QBR of 96.8 against the best team in the league.*Giving him an L vs. Jacksonville in which he did not start**Giving him an L vs. Philadelphia in which he did not start***Giving him an L vs. Buffalo in a game he did not finish****Giving him an ND vs. Jacksonville in a game he did not finish*****Giving him an L vs. New England in a game he did not finish

In answering the question of the thread, I don't know how much going back to 2002 helps us, and I doubt proving that Pennington is better than Testaverde and Bollinger and Quincy Carter does much for us either. As for your post, if you give Chad a ND for his 9-19 0/2 performance against Jax in 2005, you end up with his backups - Testaverde and Bollinger, who fit pretty much no one's definition of capable backup that season - going 3-11 that year, which makes up the bulk of your 8-19 W-L record for Pennington's backups.Citing W-L records for Pennington, Testaverde, Bollinger, and Carter doesn't really help me decide whether or not Clemens is the better QB or if/when he will take over. It seems to me so much avoiding the question.

Seeing as how the Jets were winning entering the 4th quarter and lost in OT (and Pennington got hurt in the third quarter, and came back later to play when he was really too injured to play), that seemed fair.But you don't need to compare what Pennington did to what his backups did. The Jets are 31-24 under Pennington. Do you consider Herm Edwards a great coach? Do you think the Jets have had a great defense? They had an oustanding running game in 2004, a nonexistent running game in 2006, and an average one in 2002, the majority of Pennington's career. They've had above average receivers, and probably an above average OL throughout his career. They've also played a harder than average schedule. By one system, the Jets had the 4th hardest schedule in the league in '02, the 7th hardest in '04, and the 12th hardest schedule last year. Certainly, Pennington over the course of his 55 games has had a noticeably harder than average schedule than the league average QB.Considering average coaching and an average defense, I think he deserves a good bit of credit for his 7 games over .500 record. But that's just me.

 

[benm3218]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.I'd take him on my team any day.

Pennington went 8-5* in 2002, 4-6 in 2003**, 8-5 in 2004***, 1-1 in 2005****, 10-6 in 2006, 0-1 in 2007*****, for a total record of 31-24. More often than not the Jets have had pretty tough schedules, so if anything, that record probably understates how good Pennington's been. Jets have gone 8-19 in games decided by other QBs during that stretch. And for all the knocks on Pennington vs. the Patriots, in some ways he seems to have turned the corner. In his last two starts against the Patriots (coincidentally, his last two starts) he's got 39/61 (64%), for 467 yards (7.7 Y/A) with 3 TDs and 1 INT. That's a QBR of 96.8 against the best team in the league.*Giving him an L vs. Jacksonville in which he did not start**Giving him an L vs. Philadelphia in which he did not start***Giving him an L vs. Buffalo in a game he did not finish****Giving him an ND vs. Jacksonville in a game he did not finish*****Giving him an L vs. New England in a game he did not finish

In answering the question of the thread, I don't know how much going back to 2002 helps us, and I doubt proving that Pennington is better than Testaverde and Bollinger and Quincy Carter does much for us either. As for your post, if you give Chad a ND for his 9-19 0/2 performance against Jax in 2005, you end up with his backups - Testaverde and Bollinger, who fit pretty much no one's definition of capable backup that season - going 3-11 that year, which makes up the bulk of your 8-19 W-L record for Pennington's backups.Citing W-L records for Pennington, Testaverde, Bollinger, and Carter doesn't really help me decide whether or not Clemens is the better QB or if/when he will take over. It seems to me so much avoiding the question.

Seeing as how the Jets were winning entering the 4th quarter and lost in OT (and Pennington got hurt in the third quarter, and came back later to play when he was really too injured to play), that seemed fair.But you don't need to compare what Pennington did to what his backups did. The Jets are 31-24 under Pennington. Do you consider Herm Edwards a great coach? Do you think the Jets have had a great defense? They had an oustanding running game in 2004, a nonexistent running game in 2006, and an average one in 2002, the majority of Pennington's career. They've had above average receivers, and probably an above average OL throughout his career. They've also played a harder than average schedule. By one system, the Jets had the 4th hardest schedule in the league in '02, the 7th hardest in '04, and the 12th hardest schedule last year. Certainly, Pennington over the course of his 55 games has had a noticeably harder than average schedule than the league average QB.Considering average coaching and an average defense, I think he deserves a good bit of credit for his 7 games over .500 record. But that's just me.

I think at some point you have to factor in that Chad CAN'T stay healthy. He is always hurt, he has had about 5 surgeries on his bionic arm. At what point do you give the young promising kid the keys? Why wait? If Chad is so great, then he'll be a great HEALTHY (due to no play) back-up who can mentor the kid.

 

[kensat30]

Pennington would have made that throw that bounced off Coles' feet in the endzone to tie the game.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Pennington would have made that throw that bounced off Coles' feet in the endzone to tie the game.

And not to blame Clemens, because it wasn't his fault, but Pennington throws the most catchable passes in the league. It's not a coincidence that the Jets WRs started getting the dropsies with Clemens in. Part of it is not being used to the velocity of Clemens' throws, but the larger part is it's just easier to catch Pennington's passes. You saw Coles and McCareins drop balls they normally don't (well, more Coles), and I think that's the reason.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Chad Pennington has to be the most underappreciated QB in the league. For his career, he completes 65.2% of his passes, has a 7.2 Y/A and 89.8 QB rating. Every year he's stayed healthy, he's led the Jets to the playoffs. It seems like everybody just wants to talk about how weak his arm is, never about how accurate or smart he is.I'd take him on my team any day.

Pennington went 8-5* in 2002, 4-6 in 2003**, 8-5 in 2004***, 1-1 in 2005****, 10-6 in 2006, 0-1 in 2007*****, for a total record of 31-24. More often than not the Jets have had pretty tough schedules, so if anything, that record probably understates how good Pennington's been. Jets have gone 8-19 in games decided by other QBs during that stretch. And for all the knocks on Pennington vs. the Patriots, in some ways he seems to have turned the corner. In his last two starts against the Patriots (coincidentally, his last two starts) he's got 39/61 (64%), for 467 yards (7.7 Y/A) with 3 TDs and 1 INT. That's a QBR of 96.8 against the best team in the league.*Giving him an L vs. Jacksonville in which he did not start**Giving him an L vs. Philadelphia in which he did not start***Giving him an L vs. Buffalo in a game he did not finish****Giving him an ND vs. Jacksonville in a game he did not finish*****Giving him an L vs. New England in a game he did not finish

In answering the question of the thread, I don't know how much going back to 2002 helps us, and I doubt proving that Pennington is better than Testaverde and Bollinger and Quincy Carter does much for us either. As for your post, if you give Chad a ND for his 9-19 0/2 performance against Jax in 2005, you end up with his backups - Testaverde and Bollinger, who fit pretty much no one's definition of capable backup that season - going 3-11 that year, which makes up the bulk of your 8-19 W-L record for Pennington's backups.Citing W-L records for Pennington, Testaverde, Bollinger, and Carter doesn't really help me decide whether or not Clemens is the better QB or if/when he will take over. It seems to me so much avoiding the question.

Seeing as how the Jets were winning entering the 4th quarter and lost in OT (and Pennington got hurt in the third quarter, and came back later to play when he was really too injured to play), that seemed fair.But you don't need to compare what Pennington did to what his backups did. The Jets are 31-24 under Pennington. Do you consider Herm Edwards a great coach? Do you think the Jets have had a great defense? They had an oustanding running game in 2004, a nonexistent running game in 2006, and an average one in 2002, the majority of Pennington's career. They've had above average receivers, and probably an above average OL throughout his career. They've also played a harder than average schedule. By one system, the Jets had the 4th hardest schedule in the league in '02, the 7th hardest in '04, and the 12th hardest schedule last year. Certainly, Pennington over the course of his 55 games has had a noticeably harder than average schedule than the league average QB.Considering average coaching and an average defense, I think he deserves a good bit of credit for his 7 games over .500 record. But that's just me.

I think at some point you have to factor in that Chad CAN'T stay healthy. He is always hurt, he has had about 5 surgeries on his bionic arm. At what point do you give the young promising kid the keys? Why wait? If Chad is so great, then he'll be a great HEALTHY (due to no play) back-up who can mentor the kid.

Why do you have to factor that in? If Pennington is injured, no one is saying Clemens shouldn't play.