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People are waiting in line outside the Circuit City here (2 Viewers)

Well, with the Circuit City closed down, and just being a vacant storefront now, I unfortunately won't have any exciting BLACK FRIDAY for you folks. You'll have to head out to wait in lines yourselves and trample folks. HAVE FUN
UPDATEGreat news, gang. They just last week opened up a Best Buy where the Circuit City used to be. I'm guessing there will be dozens if not hundreds of apes waiting in line in the cold tomorrow night to trample strangers for electronics. I'll do a video report on Thanksgiving to confirm.

In the meantime, any of you punch an old lady to save 20 bucks on a digital camera yet?
All of Best Buy's doorbuster deals were online Thursday. I bought then. I know to stay away from Best Buy on Black Friday.
I had to work at Best Buy On Black friday 4 years in a row. Most of the people know what they are getting into. Its the ones that think they are going out to a normal shopping day that annoy you. They are the ones complaining about lines being too long and waiting too long for service. You just look at them like really? What did you expect? :goodposting:
 
Well, with the Circuit City closed down, and just being a vacant storefront now, I unfortunately won't have any exciting BLACK FRIDAY for you folks. You'll have to head out to wait in lines yourselves and trample folks. HAVE FUN
UPDATEGreat news, gang. They just last week opened up a Best Buy where the Circuit City used to be. I'm guessing there will be dozens if not hundreds of apes waiting in line in the cold tomorrow night to trample strangers for electronics. I'll do a video report on Thanksgiving to confirm.

In the meantime, any of you punch an old lady to save 20 bucks on a digital camera yet?
All of Best Buy's doorbuster deals were online Thursday. I bought then. I know to stay away from Best Buy on Black Friday.
I had to work at Best Buy On Black friday 4 years in a row. Most of the people know what they are getting into. Its the ones that think they are going out to a normal shopping day that annoy you. They are the ones complaining about lines being too long and waiting too long for service. You just look at them like really? What did you expect? :goodposting:
The other days of the year I hate worse than that is the last couple of days before Christmas. You have shoppers looking for specific items and get angry because you don't have them in stock. And I just want to ask them if the whole Christmas thing is new to them. It's on the 25th every year, people! I can't just #### out the product because you waited until the 23rd or 24th to decide to do your shopping.Yeah, I worked retail for 8 years. 4 of those at Best Buy.

 
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I had to work at Best Buy On Black friday 4 years in a row. Most of the people know what they are getting into. Its the ones that think they are going out to a normal shopping day that annoy you. They are the ones complaining about lines being too long and waiting too long for service. You just look at them like really? What did you expect? :goodposting:
The other days of the year I hate worse than that is the last couple of days before Christmas. You have shoppers looking for specific items and get angry because you don't have them in stock. And I just want to ask them if the whole Christmas thing is new to them. It's on the 25th every year, people! I can't just #### out the product because you waited until the 23rd or 24th to decide to do your shopping.Yeah, I worked retail for 8 years. 4 of those at Best Buy.
Yes. People were that stupid too. Worked Retail about 8 years also, 4 at Best buy from 2000-2004. I get the people on Black Friday that ask at like 9 or 10am if we still have it and get upset when I say no. The people asking at 9 or 10 at night on Black friday though if they have the 5am doorbuster deal are just dumb. The ones that ask for a raincheck are just laughable. But by far the people the last week before Christmas were incorrigable. Its like where were you the last 2 months? We sold out of all that stuff way back. Then the people wondering we don't have some big sale that week are just as annoying. Why would we have a sale when we know you're going to buy whatever price it is? Retail sucks but still better than fast food.
 
Wife and I bought a new fridge we had our eye on today.

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I'm thankful that evolution is working out better for me than it has for the people out there in line.
For most people it takes a lot longer than 2 days to make $1000, so sounds like +EV to me.
That's assuming you absolutely have to have that particular product right now. If you consider that there are probably plenty of cheaper and nice looking TVs out there -- even with this super fantastic "sleep out in the cold" discount -- that would not change your experience when watching the crappy football game tonight, I don't see the +EV.It's insanity.
It's a 46" 1080p LCD for $1299. I don't think you're getting "cheaper and nicer looking."
Just bought my dad a 46" Samsung LED LCD for $577 online. Right here from the warmth of my couch.
 
I'm thankful that evolution is working out better for me than it has for the people out there in line.
For most people it takes a lot longer than 2 days to make $1000, so sounds like +EV to me.
That's assuming you absolutely have to have that particular product right now. If you consider that there are probably plenty of cheaper and nice looking TVs out there -- even with this super fantastic "sleep out in the cold" discount -- that would not change your experience when watching the crappy football game tonight, I don't see the +EV.It's insanity.
It's a 46" 1080p LCD for $1299. I don't think you're getting "cheaper and nicer looking."
Just bought my dad a 46" Samsung LED LCD for $577 online. Right here from the warmth of my couch.
But the shipping is where they kill you... some people don't want to wait the 5+ years for delivery.
 
Currently in a tent camping out at Bed Bath and Beyond. Word is some really nice Egyptian cotton bedding will be on the LOW at 5am tomorrow morning. I'm missing thanksgiving dinner with the family and this sidewalk is pretty hard on my back, but I figure ill save literally tens of dollars.

 
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.

 
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
 
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
 
'Otis said:
I'm thankful that evolution is working out better for me than it has for the people out there in line.
For most people it takes a lot longer than 2 days to make $1000, so sounds like +EV to me.
That's assuming you absolutely have to have that particular product right now. If you consider that there are probably plenty of cheaper and nice looking TVs out there -- even with this super fantastic "sleep out in the cold" discount -- that would not change your experience when watching the crappy football game tonight, I don't see the +EV.It's insanity.
It's a 46" 1080p LCD for $1299. I don't think you're getting "cheaper and nicer looking."
Just bought my dad a 46" Samsung LED LCD for $577 online. Right here from the warmth of my couch.
Only 46"? My god you're a cheap SOB, aren't you? It's your Dad for crissakes! He deserves at least 60" for having to raise your sorry ###. :)
 
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'tommyGunZ said:
'NCCommish said:
'The Big Guy said:
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
The fact is sales have been down year to year for the past couple of years. I put the same credence in your number of tents theory as I do the number of lawn signs theory advanced in the last campaign. It is really meaningless that some dwindling part of the population doesn't get that they don't need to do that. What is meaningful is what do retailers make on the day. The answer is less and less.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
'NCCommish said:
'The Big Guy said:
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
The fact is sales have been down year to year for the past couple of years. I put the same credence in your number of tents theory as I do the number of lawn signs theory advanced in the last campaign. It is really meaningless that some dwindling part of the population doesn't get that they don't need to do that. What is meaningful is what do retailers make on the day. The answer is less and less.
:confused: Last year, Black Friday sales totaled $11.4bil. That was up 6.6% from the previous year.Link

 
'tommyGunZ said:
'NCCommish said:
'The Big Guy said:
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
The fact is sales have been down year to year for the past couple of years. I put the same credence in your number of tents theory as I do the number of lawn signs theory advanced in the last campaign. It is really meaningless that some dwindling part of the population doesn't get that they don't need to do that. What is meaningful is what do retailers make on the day. The answer is less and less.
:confused: Last year, Black Friday sales totaled $11.4bil. That was up 6.6% from the previous year.Link
Lies, damned lies and Black Friday sales

As with all holiday activities, Black Friday has its time-honored traditions: Freezing consumers standing in line for hours to get a bargain, shopper fisticuffs, stampeded store employees. And, as business experts have long known, retailers making up sales figures.

Sometime during the Black Friday weekend -- which was once exclusively known as Thanksgiving -- media reports are likely to describe sales figures for the period as either strong or even a "record." Here's how the Associated Press described it last year:

A record 226 million shoppers visited stores and websites during the four-day holiday weekend starting on Thursday, the Thanksgiving Day holiday, up from 212 million last year, according to early estimates by the National Retail Federation released on Sunday. Americans spent more, too: The average holiday shopper spent $398.62 over the weekend, up from $365.34 a year ago.

That's not to knock the AP, a reputable wire service. Other media outlets also echoed the NRF, the industry's leading trade group, which claimed that "total spending over the four-day weekend following Thanksgiving reached a record $52.4 billion, up 16 percent from $45 billion last year."

The problem: The NRF's statistics are notoriously unreliable, usually in service of painting a bullish, or at least, improving picture of retail sales. As financial pundit Barry Ritholtz wrote last year:

No, retail sales did not climb 16 percent. Surveys where people forecast their own future spending are, as we have seen repeatedly in the past, pretty much worthless. We actually have no idea just yet as to whether, and exactly how much, sales climbed. The data simply is not in yet. The most you can accurately say is according to some foot traffic measurements, more people appeared to be in stores on Black Friday 2011 than in 2010.

After Black Friday last year, the trade group issued a news release with the headline: "Buoyed By Strong Black Friday Weekend, November Retail Sales Rise 4.5 Percent, According To NRF." The U.S. Commerce Department released its own figures shortly thereafter reporting that retail sales had increased only 0.2 percent for the month.

Critics contend that the NRF and other business groups commonly overestimate sales and other indicators of commercial activity to spur consumer spending. If you believe others are spending heavily, the argument goes, then you will set aside your own beliefs about the condition of the economy and do the same.

Another reason to take Black Friday sales data with a grain of salt: It doesn't tell you much about the state of the economy, according to experts. As U.K. research firm Capitol Economics said in a recent report, "We would warn against reading too much into the performance of retail sales on Black Friday, as there is little evidence that it will set the tone for sales during the whole holiday season."

CBS
 
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'tommyGunZ said:
'NCCommish said:
'The Big Guy said:
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
The fact is sales have been down year to year for the past couple of years. I put the same credence in your number of tents theory as I do the number of lawn signs theory advanced in the last campaign. It is really meaningless that some dwindling part of the population doesn't get that they don't need to do that. What is meaningful is what do retailers make on the day. The answer is less and less.
Is the recession factored into this analysis? And demand can be falling, yet it's still at such a level that stores opening on TGiving is a smart move fiscally.
 
'tommyGunZ said:
'NCCommish said:
'The Big Guy said:
I am looking forward to our family tradition starting up in about 10 hours from now. Every year, on our return from a nice Thanksgiving meal, we gather up the family in the heated auto and ride past the local Best Buy and Target..to point and laugh at the fools who are freezing their tails off. These stores are catching on and are opening up earlier and earlier--I fear for our tradition as they will be open before we get back home the way things are going.
The reason they are opening earlier is they are getting less return on Black Friday. When you look at the trends it's pretty much jumped the shark for retailers. But instead of facing the fact that the numbers represent they seem to just think if they open earlier they will somehow revive it, but they won't. The aging of boomers and the internet killed Black Friday.
If people are still lining up outside of stores in tents, there is plenty of demand. The folks whining about these stores opening early are blaming the wrong people. If there was no consumer demand on Thanksgiving, there would be no stores open on Thanksgiving.
The fact is sales have been down year to year for the past couple of years. I put the same credence in your number of tents theory as I do the number of lawn signs theory advanced in the last campaign. It is really meaningless that some dwindling part of the population doesn't get that they don't need to do that. What is meaningful is what do retailers make on the day. The answer is less and less.
:confused: Last year, Black Friday sales totaled $11.4bil. That was up 6.6% from the previous year.Link
Lies, damned lies and Black Friday sales

As with all holiday activities, Black Friday has its time-honored traditions: Freezing consumers standing in line for hours to get a bargain, shopper fisticuffs, stampeded store employees. And, as business experts have long known, retailers making up sales figures.

Sometime during the Black Friday weekend -- which was once exclusively known as Thanksgiving -- media reports are likely to describe sales figures for the period as either strong or even a "record." Here's how the Associated Press described it last year:

A record 226 million shoppers visited stores and websites during the four-day holiday weekend starting on Thursday, the Thanksgiving Day holiday, up from 212 million last year, according to early estimates by the National Retail Federation released on Sunday. Americans spent more, too: The average holiday shopper spent $398.62 over the weekend, up from $365.34 a year ago.

That's not to knock the AP, a reputable wire service. Other media outlets also echoed the NRF, the industry's leading trade group, which claimed that "total spending over the four-day weekend following Thanksgiving reached a record $52.4 billion, up 16 percent from $45 billion last year."

The problem: The NRF's statistics are notoriously unreliable, usually in service of painting a bullish, or at least, improving picture of retail sales. As financial pundit Barry Ritholtz wrote last year:

No, retail sales did not climb 16 percent. Surveys where people forecast their own future spending are, as we have seen repeatedly in the past, pretty much worthless. We actually have no idea just yet as to whether, and exactly how much, sales climbed. The data simply is not in yet. The most you can accurately say is according to some foot traffic measurements, more people appeared to be in stores on Black Friday 2011 than in 2010.

After Black Friday last year, the trade group issued a news release with the headline: "Buoyed By Strong Black Friday Weekend, November Retail Sales Rise 4.5 Percent, According To NRF." The U.S. Commerce Department released its own figures shortly thereafter reporting that retail sales had increased only 0.2 percent for the month.

Critics contend that the NRF and other business groups commonly overestimate sales and other indicators of commercial activity to spur consumer spending. If you believe others are spending heavily, the argument goes, then you will set aside your own beliefs about the condition of the economy and do the same.

Another reason to take Black Friday sales data with a grain of salt: It doesn't tell you much about the state of the economy, according to experts. As U.K. research firm Capitol Economics said in a recent report, "We would warn against reading too much into the performance of retail sales on Black Friday, as there is little evidence that it will set the tone for sales during the whole holiday season."

CBS
:sigh: From my link...
Black Friday sales rose to $11.4 billion, a 6.6% increase over the same day last year, according ShopperTrak, a research firm that monitors sales at more than 40,000 stores and malls. That was the biggest year-over-year bump since an 8.3% surge in 2007.
Your article may dispute NRF's 16% figure, but does not do anything to dispute the evidence I have put forward.
 
Just returned from Thanksgiving dinner at my brother-in-law's, whose wife will be leaving the house at 3:30 am to join in the buying binge. While we were there, her shopping partner notified her that she had to detour from her own festivities to check her husband in at the hospital with a suspected heart attack. The shopping frenzy was not postponed because of this minor complication, however.

 
Just returned from Thanksgiving dinner at my brother-in-law's, whose wife will be leaving the house at 3:30 am to join in the buying binge. While we were there, her shopping partner notified her that she had to detour from her own festivities to check her husband in at the hospital with a suspected heart attack. The shopping frenzy was not postponed because of this minor complication, however.
"Customers are dropping like fly's when they see our incredible blow-out prices!"
 
Just returned from Thanksgiving dinner at my brother-in-law's, whose wife will be leaving the house at 3:30 am to join in the buying binge. While we were there, her shopping partner notified her that she had to detour from her own festivities to check her husband in at the hospital with a suspected heart attack. The shopping frenzy was not postponed because of this minor complication, however.
Unsurprising behavior for this demographic.
 
So what's worse? People who camp out for black friday sales or people who camp out for the latest iThingie?

 
'Otis said:
Just returned from Thanksgiving dinner at my brother-in-law's, whose wife will be leaving the house at 3:30 am to join in the buying binge. While we were there, her shopping partner notified her that she had to detour from her own festivities to check her husband in at the hospital with a suspected heart attack. The shopping frenzy was not postponed because of this minor complication, however.
Unsurprising behavior for this demographic.
How do you know what my demographic is?
 
Currently in a tent camping out at Bed Bath and Beyond. Word is some really nice Egyptian cotton bedding will be on the LOW at 5am tomorrow morning. I'm missing thanksgiving dinner with the family and this sidewalk is pretty hard on my back, but I figure ill save literally tens of dollars.
:lmao:
 

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