People need to take a step back (1 Viewer)

[GreatLakesMike]

JohnnyU, with all due respect, it sounds like you might be better off not playing in Dynasty leagues. You should never get this upset over a hobby/game.

ETA: I understand some of your frustrations, but your expectations are over the top IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

JohnnyU, with all due respect, it sounds like you might be better off not playing in Dynasty leagues. You should never get this upset over a hobby/game.ETA: I understand some of your frustrations, but your expectations are over the top IMO.

I'm not upset at all. I'm very happy with the leagues I commish and most of the ones I don't. Yes, there are a couple leagues that has deadbeat owners, but I'm not upset. I started this thread to try and make others understand what most owners want from their dynasty leaguemates. I'm pretty sure most agree with me considering the replies in this thread. You have those that say I want to do what the hell I want to do and it's none of your business as long as I pay my fees, but most dynasty owners don't feel that way. I can look past those posts.

 

[Catbird]

I think trying to define commitment levels by 'dynasty' or 're-draft' misses the real issue. I have played in a dynasty league for more than a decade where it goes to sleep after the Superbowl and wakes up with the Fourth of July. Everyone (but me) in the league wants it that way and they love the game and play hard for the 7 months they play. I think 8 of the 12 owners are lawyers. Its not an easy league, just one that's dormant during the off season. I don't think I have any place to complain about it, since everyone else is happy with it. I see my choices as playing in it or not.

My point has been made before, but the issue here is getting yourself into leagues with similar owner expectations, not setting your own and #####ing about people who see life differently than you do. If you choose to stay in leagues, I can see urging people to be more involved, but if they pay their money, they get to participate how they want to - unless they agreed to ceratin commitments before entering. being dynasty doesn't imply YOUR level of participation. I say make expectations clear for your league, only play with people that agree and you will never have a problem. Trying to run other people's lives, however, rarely works out well.

That said, not responding to emails (or trade offers) within 3-4 days, unless you are away, seems passive -aggressive to me. If you can't do that, I suggest you also seek leagues that shut down when you don't want to pay attention. If we all got with those enough like us ... but isn't that the secret to marriages businesses and much else in life? And perhaps the greatest value of the internet?

My thought is that if you are #####ing about someone else who is happy doing what they are doing and hasn't promised or agreed to do something else, its your problem, not their's.

 

[JohnnyU]

My thought is that if you are #####ing about someone else who is happy doing what they are doing and hasn't promised or agreed to do something else, its your problem, not their's.

I disagree in principle with what you're saying because of the very nature of the dynasty format if waivers and trading are open year round, not to mention other league business. I guess there isn't anymore to say about this subject. I posted this thread to generate some dialogue on the subject and we've done that to my satisfaction. Thanks to all those that contributed.

 

[brownhelmets]

In theory, I agree with everything JohnnyU is sayiing.

Realistically, that is near impossible to expect, so I just try to do things that help as much as possible. I require everyone to post their cell #. That way they can quickly be informed of any trades offered from another team if that team choses to notify them by phone or text.

In 15 years of FF, I have found that you will never have a league FULL of players that meet the most active player's expectations.

Personally, I step back from the season for a bit. I am always reachable. I check the league sites at least weekly and check my email every day. I respond to trade offers quickly and if I need some time to ponder, I let the other party now. I do those things and hope I can expect that from all my leaguemates. It is unavoidable that you have to baby sit a couple owners in each league though.

 

[GregR_2]

And again, I say if I'm happy doing that, then that's my business. I'm sure if there was a league vote I'd vote on it. I'm sure I'd respond to e-mails. But I don't have to be engulfed in FF 24/7/365 to be a good dynasty owner.

i'm done in this conversation. you clearly are reading what you want to see.

Responding to emails is not necessarily the same as responding to trade offers. Let me be more plain. During the off-season everyone should have the courtesy to respond to trade offers in a way that either accepts them at the league site or rejects them at the league site. Hope that helps clarify my response earlier.

Owners shouldn't use official offers on the website to negotiate trades. They should only use them to finalize them and make them official.

 

[Cassius]

People need to take a step back...and go outside.

When it gets this serious, you got a problem.

Oh come on. I guess when you're posting on a fantasy message board like this one during the week, this early in the morning, you've got a problem I guess you've never commished a dynasty league and had to seek out good owners after bad ones ruin teams and bail? What about trying to hunt them down to get league payment on time, or submit a lineup, cover bye weeks, or vote on a referendum, and even participate in league discussions?

Half of this stuff has nothing to do with off-season activity, not sure what you're ranting about.

 

[JohnnyU]

People need to take a step back...and go outside.

When it gets this serious, you got a problem.

Oh come on. I guess when you're posting on a fantasy message board like this one during the week, this early in the morning, you've got a problem I guess you've never commished a dynasty league and had to seek out good owners after bad ones ruin teams and bail? What about trying to hunt them down to get league payment on time, or submit a lineup, cover bye weeks, or vote on a referendum, and even participate in league discussions?

Half of this stuff has nothing to do with off-season activity, not sure what you're ranting about.

We've been talking about owner activity during the off-season with regards to responding to trades, ww activity, voting referendums, answering emails, participating in league discussions, etc. If you've read most of the posts in this thread that's what we're mainly discussing. Having said that, see post #104. We're not ranting, just discussing. I know with message boards it's hard to distinguish that sometimes.