A week? Holy #### man. This is no way to live my friend.60 is manageable and depending on the person, very doable for long stretches. To me 80 is the magic number where it really is a grind that isn't sustainable for most people.
Read my next postA week? Holy #### man. This is no way to live my friend.
20something me doesn't agree. At least in our current environment anyway. Those decisions at that stage in my life were necessary for 30something me to be in an acceptable place financially and on a realistic path towards retirement. Now, if you want to discuss why it isn't right that 20something me came to that conclusion then there's another forum for that sorta discussion.A week? Holy #### man. This is no way to live my friend.
100%. My 25yr career average has to be right 80ish. It’s gotten so if I work a 5 day week for some reason I actually feel guilty. When I was opening my restaurant 100hr weeks were not uncommon.60 is manageable and depending on the person, very doable for long stretches. To me 80 is the magic number where it really is a grind that isn't sustainable for most people. I think a lot of the answer to your question depends on the type of work and your personal situation.
When you forced them to fire you did you actually list out the reasons as A, 2 and D? If so, Bravo, that would have been hilarious. I think only a “and Fifth” at the end would have nailed it better.20something me doesn't agree. At least in our current environment anyway. Those decisions at that stage in my life were necessary for 30something me to be in an acceptable place financially and on a realistic path towards retirement. Now, if you want to discuss why it isn't right that 20something me came to that conclusion then there's another forum for that sorta discussion.
And like @Ocram I'm specifically referring to non-salary work. I forced a prior employer to fire me because I refused to a) activate email to my phone while on vacation 2) consistently work beyond the agreed upon working hours M-F and d) reply to evening/weekend emails the same day (because they happened every day). Exceptions, fine. Rule, line in the sand. I work off-hours at my current job, but it's on an emergency basis. If it happens constantly then it isn't an emergency' it's normal.
Yep. I never understood why those with decent jobs kill themselves working while young and able bodied, for the promise of a retirement they can’t fully enjoy, because they’ve usually sacrificed their health along the way.For me, I thoroughly enjoyed my 20's amd early 30's while not working anywhere 60-80 hours per week. Sure, I may have to put a few extra years in near the end to make retirement work, but I wouldn't give up the freedom I had at 25 to travel the world/country and #### off just so I can retire a few years earlier
I think for someone not pursuing a likely high income earning career post grad this is an important question one must ask themselves before deciding what to do when it comes to quantity of work.For me, I thoroughly enjoyed my 20's amd early 30's while not working anywhere 60-80 hours per week. Sure, I may have to put a few extra years in near the end to make retirement work, but I wouldn't give up the freedom I had at 25 to travel the world/country and #### off just so I can retire a few years earlier
My father-in-law was not the first person to say it, but he was the first person I heard say it - never let the truth get in the way of a good story.When you forced them to fire you did you actually list out the reasons as A, 2 and D? If so, Bravo, that would have been hilarious. I think only a “and Fifth” at the end would have nailed it better.
Lol. I saw this movie but didn’t realize this was a real thing and certainly didn’t remember it.My father-in-law was not the first person to say it, but he was the first person I heard say it - never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
So, we'll go with - yes.
Buzz would be a more memorable ### hole if Uncle Frank weren't the worst human being to ever walk the earth.Lol. I saw this movie but didn’t realize this was a real thing and certainly didn’t remember it.
https://youtu.be/gVGbDEAnDyo
Sounds like the hours most of the Engineers I know work. No buenoA week? Holy #### man. This is no way to live my friend.
Most certainly.It's also my experience that employers don't really give a #### about you and will abuse you as much as you allow it.
HowWhy did you get use to the grind?
Exactly.If you're working on commission, trying to build a business for yourself of have the desire (and talent....and opportunity.....) to climb REALLY high up the corporate ladder (like C-suite type of stuff or senior partner at a big law firm) then all bets are off.
But if you're just working for the man and dont have any ambitions beyond middle management (if that) you're a fool if you put in the kind of hours some folks are talking about here. As others have stated, big companies dont care about you and will take advantage of you just as much as you let them. (there's always an excuse as to why your bonus isn't bigger, why they can't give you a title/salary bump in the middle of the year, etc.)
I guess there are certain scenarios where the only chance you have of getting where you want in your career is just to put in an obscene amount of hours (for no additional pay) but I have to imagine those scenarios are few and far between. And even if that IS the case, you still need a manager who will champion for you, the right opportunity (which nobody else is a better fit for), etc.
Bottom line.....I've seen plenty of people rise really high up in big companies without unnecessarily burning the midnight oil. From my experience, doing a good job (by working smarter.....not longer), developing relationships and taking initiative (getting involved in projects, requesting additional training and development opportunities, etc.) works a hell of a lot better than playing the "See how late I stay!!" game.
I used to be involved in hiring controls engineers. If someone was desperate to tell us how many hours they work, I didn't choose them at hiring time. Our experience is that those guys burn out and switch jobs in 3 years, but the guys who work with their manager to keep their hours to 40-50 are happier, healthier, and stick around longer.It's also my experience that employers don't really give a #### about you and will abuse you as much as you allow it.
Believe it or not, my wife occasionally sniffs 100 hour weeks in her part time job.80 hour weeks. 100+ hour weeks. You guys are insane. Thanks for counterbalancing my lazy ###.
A few years is considered temporary? "These 80 hours weeks aren't so bad. At least we only have to do it for the next 3 YEARS."Luckily I don't have to put those hours in any more, but when I used to work 80+ hrs/week, it's just something you get used to. Part of it depends on if there's light at the end of the tunnel. If it's temporary (few months/few years), then it's easier to deal with. If there's no end in sight, then you better make sure it's doing something you really like and find meaningful/rewarding or else you'll burn out quickly.
How many does she work in her main job? Cuz honestly, if she works 40 hours, then I don't really believe it. That would be sleeping 4 hours a night and working the other 20 hours.Believe it or not, my wife occasionally sniffs 100 hour weeks in her part time job.
Mine too :(Believe it or not, my wife occasionally sniffs 100 hour weeks in her part time job.
That is exactly my experience, and likely gianmarco’s as well.A few years is considered temporary? "These 80 hours weeks aren't so bad. At least we only have to do it for the next 3 YEARS."
Her main (only) job is part time.How many does she work in her main job? Cuz honestly, if she works 40 hours, then I don't really believe it. That would be sleeping 4 hours a night and working the other 20 hours.
ETA - @gianmarco rightfully pointed out I’m a ####### and misunderstood- part time job and not 2nd job. My bad, carry on.
The problem is it's impossible to define "more than necessary". I average around 55.it's a stupid, stupid, stupid thing to do and no one who isn't getting filthy rich off it should ever work more than necessary.
i'm hovering around 50 and that feels like plentyThe problem is it's impossible to define "more than necessary". I average around 55.
Since most everyone so far has just given you their work history or side commentary on 60, 80, 100 hrs........I'll start in another direction:How did you get use to the grind?
Well, how much are you getting paid for? I get paid for 40. So that's what I work.The problem is it's impossible to define "more than necessary". I average around 55.
At McDonald’s you get paid to work a certain amount of hours. At least in my industry you get paid to accomplish a set of tasks / responsibilities. When push comes to shove I don’t get to walk away unless I am deciding to start walking toward a new jobrascal said:Well, how much are you getting paid for? I get paid for 40. So that's what I work.