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Perceived Bias Opinion: New York Times (1 Viewer)

For an overall grade, where would you rate the NY Times for Accuracy/Reliability

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Joe Bryant

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We've talked in the past about the media bias charts. I think they're interesting. 

I had a real conversation recently on this and wanted to do our own here and see what the forum thought.

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For an overall grade, where would you rate the NY Times for:

Left - Right bias

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Accuracy/Reliability

Note: The question is for overall. That includes everything Regular Reporting, Op-Ed, Ads they run or causes they're associated with. It's the overall grade. 

Added Important note: I still am interested in your vote even if you don't feel like you have an informed opinion. I am interested in how these publications are PERCEIVED. 

 
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You should really have an N/A response for those of us who can't rate the 2nd question due to our answer to the 1st.

 
Joe Bryant said:
I'm not sure I understand. Can you elaborate?
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The NY Times is one of the most biased leftie MSM sources out there.  Just go read what former writers have to say about the place.  As a result, I avoid any reporting coming from them.  Therefore, I would not be able to answer your question number 2.  They MAY be accurate and reliable for all I know.  I would never TRUST them to be though so I don't read anything from them. 

 
John123 said:
The NY Times is one of the most biased leftie MSM sources out there.  Just go read what former writers have to say about the place.  As a result, I avoid any reporting coming from them.  Therefore, I would not be able to answer your question number 2.  They MAY be accurate and reliable for all I know.  I would never TRUST them to be though so I don't read anything from them. 
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Thanks. If you think they're extremely biased, I would say the proper answer for this very unscientific poll is to say they're not reliable or accurate. 

 
John123 said:
The NY Times is one of the most biased leftie MSM sources out there.  Just go read what former writers have to say about the place.  As a result, I avoid any reporting coming from them.  Therefore, I would not be able to answer your question number 2.  They MAY be accurate and reliable for all I know.  I would never TRUST them to be though so I don't read anything from them. 
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But you don't actually READ the NY Times?  You just have an opinion that's not based on physically reading their publication?

I can't vote in this thread.  I don't pay for a subscription and their paywall stymies me most of the time (yes, I know I can hit Ctl-A, Ctl-C and paste into word, no thanks).  I also don't buy it at the coffee shop, so I feel like a vote from me isn't fair to the NY Times.  Not sure why others who don't read it wouldn't also abstain.

 
General Malaise said:
But you don't actually READ the NY Times?  You just have an opinion that's not based on physically reading their publication?

I can't vote in this thread.  I don't pay for a subscription and their paywall stymies me most of the time (yes, I know I can hit Ctl-A, Ctl-C and paste into word, no thanks).  I also don't buy it at the coffee shop, so I feel like a vote from me isn't fair to the NY Times.  Not sure why others who don't read it wouldn't also abstain.
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I stopped reading the NY Times as they became more and more biased.  I can't comment on their current level of reliability because of that.  Their bias has only gotten worse.

 
John123 said:
I stopped reading the NY Times as they became more and more biased.  I can't comment on their current level of reliability because of that.  Their bias has only gotten worse.
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"Their bias has only gotten worse" says person who doesn't currently read the publication he is critiquing.  Odd business, that. 

 
General Malaise said:
But you don't actually READ the NY Times?  You just have an opinion that's not based on physically reading their publication?

I can't vote in this thread.  I don't pay for a subscription and their paywall stymies me most of the time (yes, I know I can hit Ctl-A, Ctl-C and paste into word, no thanks).  I also don't buy it at the coffee shop, so I feel like a vote from me isn't fair to the NY Times.  Not sure why others who don't read it wouldn't also abstain.
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I'll edit the poll. I'd like to get a sense for how people perceive these publications. 

 
I voted mostly accurate reliable.  
 

I think their factual reporting is very accurate / relatable but the net result is processed through a biased filter that prevents a complete picture being presented.

 Leaving out facts or opposing datapoints can be as harmful as misrepresenting them.

 
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Added Important note: I still am interested in your vote even if you don't feel like you have an informed opinion. I am interested in how these publications are PERCEIVED. 
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I know this isn't scientific. But I'm interested in perception. I'm guessing many of the people voting in the FOX News poll don't carefully read a lot of FOX news. That's ok. I am interested in perception here. 

 
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Voted Very Left and Very Reliable. I know moderates that work at the Times. They're dyed-in-the-wool Democrats, but they're not the evil progressives one hears about at the Times. I'd say that on the whole, though, their colleagues are very left. 

That said, I still trust its factual reporting. They get it right way more than they don't. 

What hasn't been asked is how one views it as a complete news source. In other words, can one call themselves informed if they only use the NYT? I would vote "no." Their bias comes through in their selection of stories and narratives. One will not get the full narrative behind a story, nor even get the story, if one is relying solely on the Times. 

So while I voted Very Reliable, there's a different question that I think is more important. It's inadequate by itself as a news source. 

 
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For factual news reporting the NYT is excellent. They make mistakes and they emphasize stories and certain aspects of stories in a different way than The Wall Street Journal might  Their opinion writers are mostly left but they akso have right wing types like David Brooks, Ross Douthat and Bret Stephens writing opeds for them. William Safire wrote for them for more than 30 years after being a Nixon admin speechwriter.

 
Definitely mostly left at this point.  Still have them in the slightly accurate zone.  But they have lost quite a bit of that recently for sure.

 
John123 said:
I stopped reading the NY Times as they became more and more biased.  I can't comment on their current level of reliability because of that.  Their bias has only gotten worse.
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Like their obsessive coverage of Hillary's emails?  https://www.vox.com/2017/12/7/16747712/study-media-2016-election-clintons-emails

Like their obsessive coverage oh how Trump voters feel (I can link 20 other articles just like this..just let me know)

Trump's Fights Are Their Fights. They Have His Back

Jan 7, 2021 — Many supporters of President Trump said in interviews that he had succeeded on issues that matter to them. And they dismissed as unimportant...
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It’s got an extremely left-wing slant for the vast right-wing martyr and victimhood complex who manage to ignore that the NY Times also is the first to break, and then saturate their pages with, stories like Hillary’s emails.

ETA: I see hack mentioned that one, too.

 
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McBokonon said:
It’s got an extremely left-wing slant for the vast right-wing martyr and victimhood complex who manage to ignore that the NY Times also is the first to break, and then saturate their pages with, stories like Hillary’s emails.

ETA: I see hack mentioned that one, too.
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The Times is very disliked by progressives and left. In fact this parody account is a good example - https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon (New York Times Pitch Bot)

 
If you've stopped reading the NYT because of all the lies they print then you can't say they print lies because you've now stopped reading.

 
Generally the same reply as I put on the CNN poll.  I put very biased left, but neutral on reporting.  Again, they will accurately report the left's view on things, and generally ignore or dismiss the conservative viewpoints.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
"The fact they posted a retraction, once they were caught, just proves how credible they are!" - Tim
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You're assuming that the NYT intentionally runs stories or reports that they know are false or inaccurate, but I have seen no evidence of that. 

Every news station, every news publication makes factual errors in their reporting, it is the nature of the beast. The publications most people deem credible are those that post a retraction or correction once they become aware of it like NYT or WaPo, while others, like Breitbart (rarely if ever will acknowledge such a mistake). 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
 Some of them make a lot of mistakes.
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Indeed. 2 summers ago, just for trolling fun, I read every NYT linked by lefties on Imgur in order to find errors and  :clyde:  for about 4 months. Thought I'd find something maybe 50% of the time. But it turned out 100%. Every single time I read the article they linked to support their position, the article either didn't match the headline, or was later "corrected". Every. Single. One. I'm really astonished they have any readers  - but I think it sort of chalks up to a Music Man type of effect. People like the headlines, and don't mind when they're exposed.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
That's incredible. Literally.

There's plenty of evidence out there. Many have been posted on this very forum.
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Yes, plenty of evidence that they, like other credible publications, make mistakes and correct it as soon as they become aware (not do a Breitbart and pretend it didn't happen.) 

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
Indeed. 2 summers ago, just for trolling fun, I read every NYT linked by lefties on Imgur in order to find errors and  :clyde:  for about 4 months. Thought I'd find something maybe 50% of the time. But it turned out 100%. Every single time I read the article they linked to support their position, the article either didn't match the headline, or was later "corrected". Every. Single. One. I'm really astonished they have any readers  - but I think it sort of chalks up to a Music Man type of effect. People like the headlines, and don't mind when they're exposed.
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This has not been my experience.

 
sho nuff said:
Definitely mostly left at this point.  Still have them in the slightly accurate zone.  But they have lost quite a bit of that recently for sure.
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This is the kind of thing that interests me. My personal perception is they've significantly moved further left in the past 5 years. But I truly don't know if that's reality or just how I see them. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
This is the kind of thing that interests me. My personal perception is they've significantly moved further left in the past 5 years. But I truly don't know if that's reality or just how I see them. 
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Yes. Its all interesting.  I still believe the country is or at least was moving left on many social issues.   That lead politicians to move that way and seems coverage does move that way as well.  

 
McBokonon said:
It’s got an extremely left-wing slant for the vast right-wing martyr and victimhood complex who manage to ignore that the NY Times also is the first to break, and then saturate their pages with, stories like Hillary’s emails.

ETA: I see hack mentioned that one, too.
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Wait...so your defense of the NY Times as being neutral and accurate is to admonish anyone on the right who doesn't believe them and because they once posted stories making excuses for Hillary's emails?

You could have just posted, "Those who don't trust my sources WITHOUT question or obviously kooks.".  THAT'S how ridiculous your post sounds.

 
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I’ve made my thoughts clear on this issue pretty recently. I probably trust this particular news source more than any other. 

 
On the perception thing, I do wonder how accurate opinions like this are from Bari Weiss. I've seen plenty of unhappy folks leave organizations and there is often another side to the story. We've talked about it here before but I keep seeing it. https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Thanks. Where would you see them on the two questions?
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I voted slightly left and extremely accurate. 
 

But I think the first question is a little misleading for two reasons: first, my answer was based on the editorial pages. If you separate the editorials out and simply consider the news reporting, I would answer neutral. 
Second, I don’t find the terms “extreme left”, “very left”, “slightly left” to be particularly helpful these days. The NYT’s editorial page is establishment liberal, mostly pro- business and centrist. It is very conservative (in the exact meaning of the term.) That’s why I voted “slightly left” but it’s not really accurate IMO. 

 
Didn't vote because I don't pay to read the Times.

I find the results interesting, especially on the accuracy side.  You have a bell curve base around very accurate/reliable, but then a significant response that varies far from the curve saying it's extremely unreliable.  If you find yourself being one of those folks do you question yourself when your worldview is that different from everyone else?  Seem like even far left posters recognize the publication leans left.  Interesting that even their view aligns with general perception.

 
BassNBrew said:
Didn't vote because I don't pay to read the Times.

I find the results interesting, especially on the accuracy side.  You have a bell curve base around very accurate/reliable, but then a significant response that varies far from the curve saying it's extremely unreliable.  If you find yourself being one of those folks do you question yourself when your worldview is that different from everyone else?  Seem like even far left posters recognize the publication leans left.  Interesting that even their view aligns with general perception.
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I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but when it comes to news reporting (not the editorial pages) I don’t look for the NYT to confirm my world view. I look for it to tell me what’s going on. 

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Abstain. I don’t even have any perceptions about them.
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This is me currently.  I answered the poll as I perceived them 7 years ago.  "mostly left" and "neutral" and I have no real idea how you do accuracy across all levels when a bunch of it is opinion and commentary on events.  I wasn't even aware they had a "just the facts" area.  Apparently it's pretty good?

 
timschochet said:
I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but when it comes to news reporting (not the editorial pages) I don’t look for the NYT to confirm my world view. I look for it to tell me what’s going on. 
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I was referring to the poll confirming "your" world view.  

If you find yourself in the fringe on one of these polls do you question your belief or do you just think everyone else is an idiot???

 
BassNBrew said:
I was referring to the poll confirming "your" world view.  

If you find yourself in the fringe on one of these polls do you question your belief or do you just think everyone else is an idiot???
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This is a very small sample in the big picture and reliant on the data of the voters on this site...but if you are on the fringe of the voting for this news outlet, then also on the fringe of the voting for another outlet it seems that would be a flag that you hold fringe political views. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I read The NY Times every day.  No publication is perfect but I think it’s very reliable.
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While I dont read it everyday it is my go to for reading about what the hell is going on in this world. They make mistakes like everyone, but I don't fault them for that, especially considering the amount of content they put out. Would stack their reliability against just about any other media .source. 

 
I used to buy the Sunday print edition, ended up buying the online daily as it was omly a couple of dollars more.   After the Tom Cotton op-piece disaster, I basically quit it,  They are very good at foreign news, and I still read the canada blog.  I think they are pretty accurate, but definitely have a left bias.

 
timschochet said:
I voted slightly left and extremely accurate. 
 

But I think the first question is a little misleading for two reasons: first, my answer was based on the editorial pages. If you separate the editorials out and simply consider the news reporting, I would answer neutral. 
Second, I don’t find the terms “extreme left”, “very left”, “slightly left” to be particularly helpful these days. The NYT’s editorial page is establishment liberal, mostly pro- business and centrist. It is very conservative (in the exact meaning of the term.) That’s why I voted “slightly left” but it’s not really accurate IMO. 
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 We'll disagree on the poll questions as I do think they're helpful. And I don't think they're misleading. Thanks though.

 
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