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New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
If you have a legacy goal and/or plan on trusts then I think this makes a lot of sense. You also have to consider the modern US university system may be very different in a decade or two. Could be a lot less seats. But the 10% penalty + taxes isn't the worst option cost in the world.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Yes, it is that simple. However, your first item should be to investigate whether or not you can get a tax benefit from contributing to a program in your state. You cannot in NC so I just invest directly with Utah's plan.

If you already have a lot of balances at BofA to get in their higher tiers, a cool benefit is you can direct deposit credit card rewards into a 529 directly. Good automation.
Looks like BOA/Merrill have their 529 plan through Maine... Not sure what that would really mean for me.
What state are you in?
Massachusetts
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Yes, it is that simple. However, your first item should be to investigate whether or not you can get a tax benefit from contributing to a program in your state. You cannot in NC so I just invest directly with Utah's plan.

If you already have a lot of balances at BofA to get in their higher tiers, a cool benefit is you can direct deposit credit card rewards into a 529 directly. Good automation.
Looks like BOA/Merrill have their 529 plan through Maine... Not sure what that would really mean for me.
What state are you in?
Massachusetts
Just do Fidelity, it's already a best-in-class brokerage firm: https://www.fidelity.com/529-plans/massachusetts

U.Fund plan account owners are eligible to claim a Massachusetts state income tax deduction for contributions to the U.Fund plan made in the applicable tax year. Single persons may claim up to a $1,000 deduction, and married persons filing jointly may claim up to a $2,000 state income tax deduction.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Yes, it is that simple. However, your first item should be to investigate whether or not you can get a tax benefit from contributing to a program in your state. You cannot in NC so I just invest directly with Utah's plan.

If you already have a lot of balances at BofA to get in their higher tiers, a cool benefit is you can direct deposit credit card rewards into a 529 directly. Good automation.
Looks like BOA/Merrill have their 529 plan through Maine... Not sure what that would really mean for me.
What state are you in?
Massachusetts
Just do Fidelity, it's already a best-in-class brokerage firm: https://www.fidelity.com/529-plans/massachusetts

U.Fund plan account owners are eligible to claim a Massachusetts state income tax deduction for contributions to the U.Fund plan made in the applicable tax year. Single persons may claim up to a $1,000 deduction, and married persons filing jointly may claim up to a $2,000 state income tax deduction.
I was just coming back to post that link.

So basically going through Fidelity vs. ML/BOA helps more with tax deductions down the road? Sorry for the dumb question.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
There's a new law that allows rolling over a balance into a Roth. I believe it's up to $35,000.

That's a great incentive to overfund at this point.

ETA -- It works like this: You can roll unused 529 assets—up to a lifetime limit of $35,000—into the account beneficiary's Roth IRA without incurring the usual 10% penalty for nonqualified withdrawals or generating any taxable income.

This might come as a relief to anyone worried about having excess funds stuck in a 529 plan should the intended beneficiary not need them (say, if they opted not to attend college or chose a lower-cost school)
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New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
There's a new law that allows rolling over a balance into a Roth. I believe it's up to $35,000.

That's a great incentive to overfund at this point.

ETA -- It works like this: You can roll unused 529 assets—up to a lifetime limit of $35,000—into the account beneficiary's Roth IRA without incurring the usual 10% penalty for nonqualified withdrawals or generating any taxable income.

This might come as a relief to anyone worried about having excess funds stuck in a 529 plan should the intended beneficiary not need them (say, if they opted not to attend college or chose a lower-cost school)
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Yep, already going to do that. I may have mentioned it before, but, while trying to treat my two kids exactly the same, managed to take a relatively small UTMA for the youngest and accidentally invest some in NVDA because he liked video games. The other kid didn't have the space at the time. Whoops. Now the younger kid has a way bigger account than the older and I'm trying to make up for it with some rollovers using the leftover 529 money. And still may have some 529 monies leftover for grandkids.

And, I mean, who knew I'd accidentally pick the best stock of the decade? (And did I pick it for myself? Well, of course not! :lmao:)
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
There's a new law that allows rolling over a balance into a Roth. I believe it's up to $35,000.

That's a great incentive to overfund at this point.

ETA -- It works like this: You can roll unused 529 assets—up to a lifetime limit of $35,000—into the account beneficiary's Roth IRA without incurring the usual 10% penalty for nonqualified withdrawals or generating any taxable income.

This might come as a relief to anyone worried about having excess funds stuck in a 529 plan should the intended beneficiary not need them (say, if they opted not to attend college or chose a lower-cost school)
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The only issue here is does your state allow it tax free. I have plans in IA and IN for my kids. Iowa changed the law last year to allow Roth conversions without state recapture of taxes. Currently Indiana does not. If I did this with my kid’s IN plan I would have to repay all the state tax benefits I received.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
There's a new law that allows rolling over a balance into a Roth. I believe it's up to $35,000.

That's a great incentive to overfund at this point.

ETA -- It works like this: You can roll unused 529 assets—up to a lifetime limit of $35,000—into the account beneficiary's Roth IRA without incurring the usual 10% penalty for nonqualified withdrawals or generating any taxable income.

This might come as a relief to anyone worried about having excess funds stuck in a 529 plan should the intended beneficiary not need them (say, if they opted not to attend college or chose a lower-cost school)
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Yep, already going to do that. I may have mentioned it before, but, while trying to treat my two kids exactly the same, managed to take a relatively small UTMA for the youngest and accidentally invest some in NVDA because he liked video games. The other kid didn't have the space at the time. Whoops. Now the younger kid has a way bigger account than the older and I'm trying to make up for it with some rollovers using the leftover 529 money. And still may have some 529 monies leftover for grandkids.

And, I mean, who knew I'd accidentally pick the best stock of the decade? (And did I pick it for myself? Well, of course not! :lmao:)
Kicking myself for not buying build a bear in 2020. Our daughter loved it. Only up 2,000% since then.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I get that, but you can use other investments for college, so I’m not a fan of overfunding. Our oldest two cost about $5-7k annually for their college, fees and everything. But they’re living at home and attending local schools.
We’ll roll down their leftover funds to our youngest two because son 3 will probably use half or my full 9/11 GI bill, although he could easily follow his older brothers path into our local college which is great for engineering.
Our youngest two will have about $60k each after transfers, plus whatever gains. If that’s not enough for state schools they can work in college and at least two years in HS.
We’re definitely helping them but they all need some skin in the game. Scholarships and or working.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Yes, it is that simple. However, your first item should be to investigate whether or not you can get a tax benefit from contributing to a program in your state. You cannot in NC so I just invest directly with Utah's plan.

If you already have a lot of balances at BofA to get in their higher tiers, a cool benefit is you can direct deposit credit card rewards into a 529 directly. Good automation.
Looks like BOA/Merrill have their 529 plan through Maine... Not sure what that would really mean for me.
What state are you in?
Massachusetts
Just do Fidelity, it's already a best-in-class brokerage firm: https://www.fidelity.com/529-plans/massachusetts

U.Fund plan account owners are eligible to claim a Massachusetts state income tax deduction for contributions to the U.Fund plan made in the applicable tax year. Single persons may claim up to a $1,000 deduction, and married persons filing jointly may claim up to a $2,000 state income tax deduction.
I was just coming back to post that link.

So basically going through Fidelity vs. ML/BOA helps more with tax deductions down the road? Sorry for the dumb question.
It's a tax deduction now for contributing. So you would, if married, get to deduct up to $2000 from your state taxable income. This year, hurry :-)
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.

I think they can be converted to a Roth IRA now.
 
New topic: 529s

We have 2 elementary age kids, and definitely haven't done anything for them college-wise. We have to get our act together now that daycare payments are done.

Is this as simple as going to my bank (BOA / Merrill Lynch) and enrolling them each in 529 plans? I assume I can put a cash deposit in each, and them have some sort of monthly transfer to each.

No experience with this...
Whatever you decide, fund the crap out of it. Wife and I did a great job saving for retirement but could have done better with saving for college.

Loans suck.
I'd argue you want to underfund a 529 instead of overfund one. Money stuck in one after is a pain to work with.
Well, then it looks like I'm right on track!
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
 
Not sure I've mentioned it in here, but I've been using a web-based program called "Lunch Money" for transaction tracking, budgeting, account overviews, etc. It's decent and not super expensive. No real mobile app, but this sort of thing doesn't lend itself to mobile IMO anyway. Best part is it can easily handle multiple currencies and you can get a real time look in your preferred currency any time.
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
Would think this is particularly good time to take some of your gains, particularly if you have any losses to harvest as well...
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
LTCG. Nothing wrong with selling stocks at all time highs.
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
LTCG. Nothing wrong with selling stocks at all time highs.
He might have been planning to wait until he was retired, and at a much lower income consequently, before realizing long term capital gains. To avoid the federal LTCG tax.
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
LTCG. Nothing wrong with selling stocks at all time highs.
He might have been planning to wait until he was retired, and at a much lower income consequently, before realizing long term capital gains. To avoid the federal LTCG tax.
Maybe, but #3 really isn't a thing - he can take out earnings there with penalties and tax. A bit better, he can take out contributions tax free (just lose opportunity cost of the money in a tax free state, which is a pretty big hit - IMO more than 15% LTCG). #1 generally turns out worse than #2 as you have to pay it back and lose the tax advantaged growth. #2 is probably the least painful. Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the shutdown comes to an end (though, honestly, it looks unlikely).

I don't know specifics of the TSP loan - is it like a 401k loan in which it comes due immediately if employment is terminated? If so that makes it risky on top of likely more expensive.

Totally IMO
 
I'm currently furloughed thanks to congress. We had a previously scheduled trip booked when government shutdown, so my usual 10 weeks of savings is closer to 6 weeks. I'm looking to plan ahead if this is still going on around first of November.

I think my options are:
1) take out a tsp loan
2) sell some of my brokerage long term capital gains
3) borrow against a roth IRA

Thoughts?
I wouldn’t take a loan from either the TSP or take from the IRA. I took a loan from USAA already for $3k and will take another if needed. 0% so why not? If you’re not with USAA, see if your credit union or bank offers the same.
 
I don't know specifics of the TSP loan - is it like a 401k loan in which it comes due immediately if employment is terminated?
Not really.
Loan repayment options
  • Pay off the loan: You can pay the full outstanding balance by the 90-day deadline.

  • Keep the loan active: You can continue making payments on a monthly schedule after you separate.

  • Allow it to default: If you don't repay the loan within 90 days, the outstanding balance and any accrued interest will be considered a taxable distribution, and you'll have to pay taxes on it.
 
I don't know specifics of the TSP loan - is it like a 401k loan in which it comes due immediately if employment is terminated?
Not really.
Loan repayment options
  • Pay off the loan: You can pay the full outstanding balance by the 90-day deadline.

  • Keep the loan active: You can continue making payments on a monthly schedule after you separate.

  • Allow it to default: If you don't repay the loan within 90 days, the outstanding balance and any accrued interest will be considered a taxable distribution, and you'll have to pay taxes on it.
this is the reason why it's an option.

I'll check with local credit union.

I'll also call my senators/reps again and tell them how much they suck
 

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