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[TRR]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.

Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I took Eli Manning in the 3rd and Mike Vick in the 4th

In my league Vick and Eli are both very very close to Peyton in scoring.

Depending how Eli does tomorrow he may even be ahead of big brother.

 

[MLBrandow]

thanks for contributing to the shark pool

 

[TRR]

Yea, I realize he isnt in his own class as a QB this year. I was comparing him to all of the 1st round busts...it is looking to be a bad year for the HUGE scoring RB's (with a couple of exceptions).

 

[KiddLattimer]

Your argument is fine, but you cant really throw Shaun Alexander in the "bust" mix because of injury. If Peyton blows out his knee next week it doesnt mean you made a huge draft mistake.

The writing was on the wall for Edge, Jordan Caddy and some of the other questionable 1st rounders.

That being said... I would take a top RB any day of the week and then grab a McNabb, Eli, Carson, Bulger, Brady type later on. Peyton is a stud but take a look at the theory of Value Based Drafting sometime.

 

[TRR]

This isn't my first rodeo, I do value the RB....but did you really think that taking Ronnie or Caddy at #5-10 was a rock solid move? I just couldn't bring myself to have one of those guys as my "stud" for '06.

 

[twistd]

This isn't my first rodeo, I do value the RB....but did you really think that taking Ronnie or Caddy at #5-10 was a rock solid move? I just couldn't bring myself to have one of those guys as my "stud" for '06.

I'd much rather have Ronnie or Caddie than Lamont Jordan. I have Jordan in two leagues. Not suprisingly, I am struggling with both teams.

 

[Grudgebearer]

Your argument is fine, but you cant really throw Shaun Alexander in the "bust" mix because of injury./quote]

I throw Shaun in as a "bust" at this point simply because he is not performing anywhere close to expectations. I don't care what the reason is. . . the simple fact is he is not helping me win games. :(

 

[PsychoMan]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

I took him late in the first round in two leagues because LT2, SA, LJ, Tiki, Rudi, Sjacks had already been taken. I did not trust ronny, caddy, lamont, edge & more.I'll currently 1st in points scored in one league, and 2nd in another. But, this only works when you guys like chester, dunn, parker or bell are had in rounds 2 & later ... If you can't get these guys, you are in big trouble.

 

[Raagsreth]

I don't know what kinda league you're in but Ronnie Brown is ranked 5th running back in my non PPR league.

 

[KiddLattimer]

Your argument is fine, but you cant really throw Shaun Alexander in the "bust" mix because of injury.

I throw Shaun in as a "bust" at this point simply because he is not performing anywhere close to expectations. I don't care what the reason is. . . the simple fact is he is not helping me win games. :(

Perhaps I should rephrase. You cant justify picking Peyton Manning over Alexander at the time because unless you have one kickass crystal ball to look in, you didnt know he would be injured.

 

[Preacher 1]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

Solid post and a solid theory...I drafted 10th and took Jordan. I based that pick on an "improved" offense with Brooks, and a solid season last year. HA! Well, that's obviously blown up in my face, and I wish that i'd had the brains to take Manning with the 10th pick. You can't win a league with your first draft pick, but you sure as hell can lose one. If you don't get production out of your top 2-3 rounds, you're screwed.

 

[twistd]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

Solid post and a solid theory...I drafted 10th and took Jordan. I based that pick on an "improved" offense with Brooks, and a solid season last year. HA! Well, that's obviously blown up in my face, and I wish that i'd had the brains to take Manning with the 10th pick. You can't win a league with your first draft pick, but you sure as hell can lose one. If you don't get production out of your top 2-3 rounds, you're screwed.

I think that if I had felt uncomfortable picking one of the low end RBs in the first round I would have taken a high end WR before I took Manning. I'd rather have selected Steve Smith or Torry Holt than Manning.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

This is a ridiculous post. You know who else was a first round bust? Peyton Manning. What's the difference? People were drafting him as a bust, the bust part was built into his draft stock, and he only was picked there because he wouldn't "bust hard" and end up with QB25 numbers at the end of the year. 3800/28 out of a QB is 3rd ROUND MATERIAL. 1300/5 out of a running back is also 3rd round material at worst, something Ronnie Brown is on pace to do much better than.Peyton has always been a 4000/27 guy outside of one year, and that's ALWAYS been worth a 3rd round pick which is where he always went until he had that 50 TD year and people started drafting him in the 1st because they thought he could do it again. Make no mistake about it, a first round QB that goes for 4000/27 (which is 3rd round value) is as much a bust as a first round RB who goes for 1200/6 (about 3rd round value). The really looney part of your post? Ronnie Brown is on pace for 1366/11 right now.Neither Brown nor Manning have really come close to playing up to their draft position at this point. Give me the choice right now in a vacuum between Ronnie Brown and Peyton Manning and I would still take Ronnie Brown in less than a second, and this is coming from someone that thought Ronnie was one of the most overrated FF RBs heading into the season.

 

[PahtyTom]

Yea I'd much rather take Peyton in the first than Bulger in the 6th, Rivers in the 12th, and Kitna in the 13th.

 

[Homer]

Your argument is fine, but you cant really throw Shaun Alexander in the "bust" mix because of injury.

I throw Shaun in as a "bust" at this point simply because he is not performing anywhere close to expectations. I don't care what the reason is. . . the simple fact is he is not helping me win games. :(

Perhaps I should rephrase. You cant justify picking Peyton Manning over Alexander at the time because unless you have one kickass crystal ball to look in, you didnt know he would be injured.

The HECK you can't. Manning has nearly a decade of indestructability and consistency. NO RB has had a comparable record of both health and/or productivity. And even the ones that BAIT you into thinking they do (like Alexander this year) are only bucking the odds each time you succeed with them. Peyton Manning is an every year first round pick, and EVERY year there are tons of losers/whiners that get burned by the Terrell Davis/Anthony Thomas/Willis Mcgahee/Kevin Jones/Caddy Williams "bad luck" types that single-handedly sink their season. Caveat emptor.

 

[trader jake]

Manning is a rock in fantasy football. I think he's worth that late 1st round pick and trust my ability to get consistent RB/WR production as the draft moves on. Manning is worth the opportunity cost of a #6-10 RB or #1-3 WR imo

 

[Synthesizer]

Just because he consistently gets you 20 pts each week doesn't make him worthy of a 1st round pick. There are plenty of guys drafted a few rounds later who have been just as reliable (McNabb, Bulger, Eli, Vick) and another group of late picks who have been good for 20 pts most of the time (Kitna, Brees, Rivers). The supply of available QBs is just too large to justify taking Manning in the 1st.

Oh, and if you look at his game logs from last year, he was held under 20 pts in 8 of his 16 games. And this year it's 2 of 6 games. So it's not like he's money in the bank every single week.

 

[Mario Kart]

I don't know what kinda league you're in but Ronnie Brown is ranked 5th running back in my non PPR league.

His stats are skewed right now. He is one of a few "stud" RBs who has not gone through their bye week yet. Wait until week 10 for a complete evaluation of the RB position.

 

[Bri]

Who you followed Peyton up with matterred alot IMO.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Your argument is fine, but you cant really throw Shaun Alexander in the "bust" mix because of injury.

I throw Shaun in as a "bust" at this point simply because he is not performing anywhere close to expectations. I don't care what the reason is. . . the simple fact is he is not helping me win games. :(

Perhaps I should rephrase. You cant justify picking Peyton Manning over Alexander at the time because unless you have one kickass crystal ball to look in, you didnt know he would be injured.

Yeah I did. He was on the cover of madden.

 

[pizzatyme]

This isn't my first rodeo, I do value the RB....but did you really think that taking Ronnie or Caddy at #5-10 was a rock solid move? I just couldn't bring myself to have one of those guys as my "stud" for '06.

Hey Nostradomaus, please humor us, and tell us who your stud RBs are after drafting PM in the first?

 

[Preacher 1]

Just because he consistently gets you 20 pts each week doesn't make him worthy of a 1st round pick. There are plenty of guys drafted a few rounds later who have been just as reliable (McNabb, Bulger, Eli, Vick) and another group of late picks who have been good for 20 pts most of the time (Kitna, Brees, Rivers). The supply of available QBs is just too large to justify taking Manning in the 1st.Oh, and if you look at his game logs from last year, he was held under 20 pts in 8 of his 16 games. And this year it's 2 of 6 games. So it's not like he's money in the bank every single week.

Sure they have...so far. What makes Manning a first rounder is his durability and consistancy. You canplug that 20+ points in the line-up just about every week for 16 weeks. You don't have that with Vick (consistancy), Bulger (Injury), McNabb (injury), or Brees (Injury).There's a possibility that they ALL could stay healthy this year, but it's not likely...the odds show that Peyton will stay healthy, and put up huge numbers.

 

[comfortably numb]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

People have success picking a QB in the 1st.I had Warner go 3rd overall one year.(he won by the way)It may be uncommon, and I am a RB whore, and could not bring myself to do it, but I understand if you were not sold on any RB in the 1st RD.Who are your RB's if you don't mind me asking?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Boatloads of value in this thread.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Boatloads of value in this thread.

Riveting discourse and fun for the whole family. I can sum the thread up for those who don't want to read through every post:

"I drafted Peyton Manning and after he has a great week I'm gonna rub it in to all the Ronnie Brown owners who should have known better. I mean, who didn't see that coming?""Oh yeah, well so are you.""No you are.""I took him in the first round and then the skies opened and Fred Berry was holding the sun.""Thanks for the big game Peyton. I'm 4-3 now!"

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

"I took him in the first round and then the skies opened and Fred Berry was holding the sun."

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Just because he consistently gets you 20 pts each week doesn't make him worthy of a 1st round pick. There are plenty of guys drafted a few rounds later who have been just as reliable (McNabb, Bulger, Eli, Vick) and another group of late picks who have been good for 20 pts most of the time (Kitna, Brees, Rivers). The supply of available QBs is just too large to justify taking Manning in the 1st.

Oh, and if you look at his game logs from last year, he was held under 20 pts in 8 of his 16 games. And this year it's 2 of 6 games. So it's not like he's money in the bank every single week.

Sure they have...so far. What makes Manning a first rounder is his durability and consistancy. You canplug that 20+ points in the line-up just about every week for 16 weeks. You don't have that with Vick (consistancy), Bulger (Injury), McNabb (injury), or Brees (Injury).There's a possibility that they ALL could stay healthy this year, but it's not likely...the odds show that Peyton will stay healthy, and put up huge numbers.

No, the odds show that he'll stay healthy and put up 3rd round numbers, which is what 4000/27 is worth out of a QB. As I said above, if Peyton goes for 4000/27 he's as much a "bust" as a RB that goes for 1200/7, the only difference is you should've taken Peyton EXPECTING to get 3rd round numbers out of your 1st round pick.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

the only difference is you should've taken Peyton EXPECTING to get 3rd round numbers out of your 1st round pick.

Taking Manning in the first is playing not to lose. Congrats on drafting in FF as well as Herm Edwards would.

 

[thayman]

Just because he consistently gets you 20 pts each week doesn't make him worthy of a 1st round pick. There are plenty of guys drafted a few rounds later who have been just as reliable (McNabb, Bulger, Eli, Vick) and another group of late picks who have been good for 20 pts most of the time (Kitna, Brees, Rivers). The supply of available QBs is just too large to justify taking Manning in the 1st.

Oh, and if you look at his game logs from last year, he was held under 20 pts in 8 of his 16 games. And this year it's 2 of 6 games. So it's not like he's money in the bank every single week.

Sure they have...so far. What makes Manning a first rounder is his durability and consistancy. You canplug that 20+ points in the line-up just about every week for 16 weeks. You don't have that with Vick (consistancy), Bulger (Injury), McNabb (injury), or Brees (Injury).There's a possibility that they ALL could stay healthy this year, but it's not likely...the odds show that Peyton will stay healthy, and put up huge numbers.

McNabb has only missed 7 games last year and 6 in 2002. That's not an injury risk

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have no problem with anyone picking a top tier QB in the first. They just have to be real sure that they can get some RBs in the later rounds to surround him.

In my league championships aren't won in the first couple rounds, its the mid to late rounds that seperate our teams.

 

[GregR_2]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

This is a ridiculous post. You know who else was a first round bust? Peyton Manning. What's the difference? People were drafting him as a bust, the bust part was built into his draft stock, and he only was picked there because he wouldn't "bust hard" and end up with QB25 numbers at the end of the year. 3800/28 out of a QB is 3rd ROUND MATERIAL. 1300/5 out of a running back is also 3rd round material at worst, something Ronnie Brown is on pace to do much better than.Peyton has always been a 4000/27 guy outside of one year, and that's ALWAYS been worth a 3rd round pick which is where he always went until he had that 50 TD year and people started drafting him in the 1st because they thought he could do it again. Make no mistake about it, a first round QB that goes for 4000/27 (which is 3rd round value) is as much a bust as a first round RB who goes for 1200/6 (about 3rd round value). The really looney part of your post? Ronnie Brown is on pace for 1366/11 right now.Neither Brown nor Manning have really come close to playing up to their draft position at this point. Give me the choice right now in a vacuum between Ronnie Brown and Peyton Manning and I would still take Ronnie Brown in less than a second, and this is coming from someone that thought Ronnie was one of the most overrated FF RBs heading into the season.

I'm not sure I'm following. Whether I go by points per game or total points, Peyton is at least the 5th most valuable player overall in a close to standard scoring system (6 pt all TDS, -3 INT) for a standard league format. Only McNabb, Westbrook, LT and LJ have a better last-starter value. How could he be a bust then if he's being taken in that spot or later?

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

This is a ridiculous post. You know who else was a first round bust? Peyton Manning. What's the difference? People were drafting him as a bust, the bust part was built into his draft stock, and he only was picked there because he wouldn't "bust hard" and end up with QB25 numbers at the end of the year. 3800/28 out of a QB is 3rd ROUND MATERIAL. 1300/5 out of a running back is also 3rd round material at worst, something Ronnie Brown is on pace to do much better than.Peyton has always been a 4000/27 guy outside of one year, and that's ALWAYS been worth a 3rd round pick which is where he always went until he had that 50 TD year and people started drafting him in the 1st because they thought he could do it again. Make no mistake about it, a first round QB that goes for 4000/27 (which is 3rd round value) is as much a bust as a first round RB who goes for 1200/6 (about 3rd round value). The really looney part of your post? Ronnie Brown is on pace for 1366/11 right now.Neither Brown nor Manning have really come close to playing up to their draft position at this point. Give me the choice right now in a vacuum between Ronnie Brown and Peyton Manning and I would still take Ronnie Brown in less than a second, and this is coming from someone that thought Ronnie was one of the most overrated FF RBs heading into the season.

I'm not sure I'm following. Whether I go by points per game or total points, Peyton is at least the 5th most valuable player overall in a close to standard scoring system (6 pt all TDS, -3 INT) for a standard league format. Only McNabb, Westbrook, LT and LJ have a better last-starter value. How could he be a bust then if he's being taken in that spot or later?

Don't pay attention to facts. There a bunch of people who believe that sharks never take a rb early and no amount of information will ever influence them to the contrary.

 

[dawgtrails]

Just because he consistently gets you 20 pts each week doesn't make him worthy of a 1st round pick. There are plenty of guys drafted a few rounds later who have been just as reliable (McNabb, Bulger, Eli, Vick) and another group of late picks who have been good for 20 pts most of the time (Kitna, Brees, Rivers). The supply of available QBs is just too large to justify taking Manning in the 1st.Oh, and if you look at his game logs from last year, he was held under 20 pts in 8 of his 16 games. And this year it's 2 of 6 games. So it's not like he's money in the bank every single week.

There are not "plenty of guys who have been just as reliable". And even if you do consider 4 guys to be plenty, could you have picked those 4 guys out at the beginning of the year?2005, "reliable guys" were Peyton, Palmer and Brady.2004, "reliable guys" were Culpepper and Peyton....then a collection of McNabb, Green, Favre, Plummer, Brooks2003, "reliable guys" were Manning, Culpepper, Green, and Hasselback2002, "reliable guys" were Culpepper, Bledsoe, Peyton, Green, Vick, Brooks2001, "reliable guys" were Warner, Garcia, Favre, Peyton.So, you are telling me that you could have predicted that McNabb, Bulger, Vick and Eli would have been putting up comparable numbers to Peyton? Actually, it is Peyton, Kitna and Bulger in most leagues who trail McNabb.Each year, there are guys who put up excellent numbers, and if you could target them in the later rounds, and "guess" correctly, then good luck to you.Palmer, Brady, Green, Plummer, Brooks, Delhomme, Favre, Hasselback, etc. None of these guys would make me question someone drafting Manning in the first round.The past 6 years, he is the only QB to be in the top tier every year. Culpepper had a great stretch from 2002-2004, we have seen how that has worked this year. Trent Green was always a great value pick. Not so much this year. Carson Palmer, mmm, not so good this year.McNabb was the one guy who had the track record and was being undervalued. He was the guy to target, obviously easier to say now that he is the top point getter.This year, I would expect it to be McNabb and Peyton, then a pretty good gap until you get to the Bulger, Eli, Kitna group.2 things seem to be certain. Manning will be in the top tier. And the other guys in the top tier, and the tier just below, will be different each and every year.

 

[PsychoMan]

I agree with many of the points being made that state taking Manning in the first is a bad idea.

That being said, there is something else to be said for having a must start QB week in and week out, who is likely to produce solid, consistent numbers, who also has the ability to blow up and win you games. The advantage this gives you that I speak of is: you only have to roster 1 QB (2 if you're extra cautious), and 2 QBs during Manning's bye week.

This is especially helpful in deeper leagues, or leagues with more roster limitations.

For instance, in the league that I don't own Manning, I have worked out a pretty solid QBBC with three QBs that I drafted late or picked up off the waiver wire. This is now working out pretty well for me, except I have already rostered 7 QBs through the course of 6 weeks, and currently roster 3.

Needless to say, I have missed out on many great waiver wire pickups because of the effort and roster space I have put into my QBBC.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

This is a ridiculous post. You know who else was a first round bust? Peyton Manning. What's the difference? People were drafting him as a bust, the bust part was built into his draft stock, and he only was picked there because he wouldn't "bust hard" and end up with QB25 numbers at the end of the year. 3800/28 out of a QB is 3rd ROUND MATERIAL. 1300/5 out of a running back is also 3rd round material at worst, something Ronnie Brown is on pace to do much better than.Peyton has always been a 4000/27 guy outside of one year, and that's ALWAYS been worth a 3rd round pick which is where he always went until he had that 50 TD year and people started drafting him in the 1st because they thought he could do it again. Make no mistake about it, a first round QB that goes for 4000/27 (which is 3rd round value) is as much a bust as a first round RB who goes for 1200/6 (about 3rd round value). The really looney part of your post? Ronnie Brown is on pace for 1366/11 right now.Neither Brown nor Manning have really come close to playing up to their draft position at this point. Give me the choice right now in a vacuum between Ronnie Brown and Peyton Manning and I would still take Ronnie Brown in less than a second, and this is coming from someone that thought Ronnie was one of the most overrated FF RBs heading into the season.

I'm not sure I'm following. Whether I go by points per game or total points, Peyton is at least the 5th most valuable player overall in a close to standard scoring system (6 pt all TDS, -3 INT) for a standard league format. Only McNabb, Westbrook, LT and LJ have a better last-starter value. How could he be a bust then if he's being taken in that spot or later?

Opportunity cost.

 

[John Mamula]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.tons of value there.where can i subscribe to your newsletter?

 

[j3r3m3y]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

Ronnie Brown is not a bust. He is ranked #8 in my league.

 

[John Mamula]

I don't know what kinda league you're in but Ronnie Brown is ranked 5th running back in my non PPR league.

he is 6th in mine.

 

[dawgtrails]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.tons of value there.where can i subscribe to your newsletter?

I guarantee teams that took Peyton and passed on Caddy, Edge, Jordan are far better off than teams who drafted those guys.Are you going to offer congratulations to the owners who drafted Lamont Jordan in the first when he is outperforming a RB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points?Of course you dont mention that, because that wouldnt fit with your theory.Where do I subscribe to your newsletter??

 

[tommyGunZ]

Andre Johnson is 8th overall in total points in my ppr league - I knew I should have taken him at 1.08 on draft day.

 

[John Mamula]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.tons of value there.where can i subscribe to your newsletter?

I guarantee teams that took Peyton and passed on Caddy, Edge, Jordan are far better off than teams who drafted those guys.Are you going to offer congratulations to the owners who drafted Lamont Jordan in the first when he is outperforming a RB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points?Of course you dont mention that, because that wouldnt fit with your theory.Where do I subscribe to your newsletter??

where do you think peyton went in the high stakes leagues?i'll give you a hint...it wasn't the first round.i am not here to convince you to not draft peyton in the first. i am here to encourage it actually.btw, in our WCOFF satellite league where we took Jordan, we are doing significantly better than the Peyton Manning owner, and Manning was taken in the late 2nd round in that draft. <_<

 

[maxwell1295]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

This isn't my first rodeo, I do value the RB....but did you really think that taking Ronnie or Caddy at #5-10 was a rock solid move? I just couldn't bring myself to have one of those guys as my "stud" for '06.

Hey Nostradomaus, please humor us, and tell us who your stud RBs are after drafting PM in the first?

 

[dawgtrails]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.tons of value there.where can i subscribe to your newsletter?

I guarantee teams that took Peyton and passed on Caddy, Edge, Jordan are far better off than teams who drafted those guys.Are you going to offer congratulations to the owners who drafted Lamont Jordan in the first when he is outperforming a RB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points?Of course you dont mention that, because that wouldnt fit with your theory.Where do I subscribe to your newsletter??

where do you think peyton went in the high stakes leagues?i'll give you a hint...it wasn't the first round.i am not here to convince you to not draft peyton in the first. i am here to encourage it actually.btw, in our WCOFF satellite league where we took Jordan, we are doing significantly better than the Peyton Manning owner, and Manning was taken in the late 2nd round in that draft. <_<

And I guarantee you that it is not the Jordan, nor the Peyton pick that is the reason.I wouldn't draft Peyton in the first. Probably not even in the second.But, to say that there are 5 or 6 guys who are putting up close enough numbers to make the pick not have value is a bit disingenuous.Each and every year there have been different QBs to step up into the top 10 or so. That is why the "easy" thing to do is draft Manning. It may not be the best value, but it certainly is not the worst.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Peyton Manning was not a 1st round draft pick. Now, I understand that as far as fantasy points go, he is not anywhere near McNabb....but to all of the people who laughed at those of us who took Peyton at 5-12 the first round (LJ, LT2, Shaun, Tiki)....are probably not laughing so hard with the amount of Busts that there were in the 1st round.

Ronnie Brown, Edge, Shaun, and many others....It is nice to know that you will always have a player on your team that is good for 20. I just had to get this off of my chest, cuz I took so much crap for drafting him early. I never would have taken him 1-4, but after Tiki, it looked like a grouping of 10-12 backs who were all the same quality.

congrats on drafting a QB in the first round who is outperforming a QB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points.tons of value there.

where can i subscribe to your newsletter?

I guarantee teams that took Peyton and passed on Caddy, Edge, Jordan are far better off than teams who drafted those guys.Are you going to offer congratulations to the owners who drafted Lamont Jordan in the first when he is outperforming a RB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points?

Of course you dont mention that, because that wouldnt fit with your theory.

Where do I subscribe to your newsletter??

where do you think peyton went in the high stakes leagues?i'll give you a hint...it wasn't the first round.

i am not here to convince you to not draft peyton in the first. i am here to encourage it actually.

btw, in our WCOFF satellite league where we took Jordan, we are doing significantly better than the Peyton Manning owner, and Manning was taken in the late 2nd round in that draft.

<_<

Perhaps you missed the part where he guaranteed it.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Are you going to offer congratulations to the owners who drafted Lamont Jordan in the first when he is outperforming a RB who could have been had on the WW or a late draft pick by 5 points?

What about those who took him in the second after Chad Johnson in the 1st. Yeah, that worked out well.I think towards the end of the first, it can be up for grabs. You should draft for value - and if you're charts say Manning is the right pick there, go for it. I wouldn't have taken him before the top five or so RBs this year - even with hindsite. This is a wierd year for first rounders. We'll have to see how the rest of the season goes IMO.

 

[John Mamula]

Each and every year there have been different QBs to step up into the top 10 or so. That is why the "easy" thing to do is draft Manning. It may not be the best value, but it certainly is not the worst.

I agree completely. Drafting Manning in the first round is easy and lazy drafting. Oftentimes this is due to the person being a poor drafter and/or not projecting stats to see where there is value later in the draft.If you put together a draft plan before the draft, you should be able to put together a better team overall than someone who drafts a QB in the first round.Manning in the first isn't the end of the world, but the people who do it oftentimes don't understand the consequences and compound their mistake with a TE in the 3rd or something ridiculous like that.

 

[John Mamula]

Perhaps you missed the part where he guaranteed it.

lol