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Tau837
Footballguy
Per Rotoworld, his 2012 salary is guaranteed, and, if he passes a physical on 3/13/2013, his 2013 and 2014 salaries are also guaranteed. He is due $19M in both 2015 and 2016.
So to me the key questions are whether or not he passes that physical next year, and whether or not he is playing well enough to merit $19M salaries in 2015 and 2016.
I think the answers to those questions will be yes and no, so I voted 3 years.
So to me the key questions are whether or not he passes that physical next year, and whether or not he is playing well enough to merit $19M salaries in 2015 and 2016.
I think the answers to those questions will be yes and no, so I voted 3 years.
SWC
Bromigo
i hope he wins another one so that he can be back on snl and kick it old school and make fun of eli this time around because they are two genuinely nice guys and the nfl needs more characters like that instead of glorifying cheaters and filanderers like brett john edwards ii the slime ball from down under favre take that to the bank brohans who are one mile high
I realize he was "medically cleared to play".....but how exactly do you test your neck after neck surgery to make sure it can withstand a blindside whiplash inducing hit from a 260 pound linebacker...?
Manning is going to look like a world beater all summer.....you're gonna get sick of watching his camp highlights....but that is because nobody, and I mean nobody with bad intentions is going to come within 10 yards of him...
then it gets teed up for real and people that get paid to hit the QB are going to be coming after him.....
Manning is going to look like a world beater all summer.....you're gonna get sick of watching his camp highlights....but that is because nobody, and I mean nobody with bad intentions is going to come within 10 yards of him...
then it gets teed up for real and people that get paid to hit the QB are going to be coming after him.....
Touchdown There
Footballguy
nope....
I just think the neck would be one of the last things I would want to have to worry about trying to prevent reinjuring....interested to see how he responds to getting jostled around a bit....doubt part of his rehab or passing team physicals included getting crushed by somebody like James Harrison...he could build up neck muscles/strength all you want, but I doubt actually taking a hit was part of the process of saying he is okay to play....if I were a Bronco fan, I would be concerned because I don't think they are going to put him in the line of fire much before the season starts and he hasn't played for real for over a year....his live, gamespeed timing, with his receivers etc will be something to monitor.....you can only simulate so much in practice...I am envisioning a lot of happy feet dancing around in the pocket type stuff trying to get the ball out quick while all the while being worried about taking a hit in the back of his mind happening....
I'm pessimistic that he will be able to get through the whole season without feeling some discomfort in the neck...and I think as soon as he does he will shut it down and we'll hear the "the rest of my life is more important, I gave it a shot though" speech.....
I think DEN brass is also concerned and not that they have buyer's remorse necessarily, but there is a reason a team with so many other holes to fill, and a team that should be in "win now" mode goes out and drafts a QB with their SECOND pick instead of getting an impact player to help the win now mentality.....they drafted a guy with their second pick that hopefully doesn't see the field for 3-5 years.....
I just think the neck would be one of the last things I would want to have to worry about trying to prevent reinjuring....interested to see how he responds to getting jostled around a bit....doubt part of his rehab or passing team physicals included getting crushed by somebody like James Harrison...he could build up neck muscles/strength all you want, but I doubt actually taking a hit was part of the process of saying he is okay to play....if I were a Bronco fan, I would be concerned because I don't think they are going to put him in the line of fire much before the season starts and he hasn't played for real for over a year....his live, gamespeed timing, with his receivers etc will be something to monitor.....you can only simulate so much in practice...I am envisioning a lot of happy feet dancing around in the pocket type stuff trying to get the ball out quick while all the while being worried about taking a hit in the back of his mind happening....
I'm pessimistic that he will be able to get through the whole season without feeling some discomfort in the neck...and I think as soon as he does he will shut it down and we'll hear the "the rest of my life is more important, I gave it a shot though" speech.....
I think DEN brass is also concerned and not that they have buyer's remorse necessarily, but there is a reason a team with so many other holes to fill, and a team that should be in "win now" mode goes out and drafts a QB with their SECOND pick instead of getting an impact player to help the win now mentality.....they drafted a guy with their second pick that hopefully doesn't see the field for 3-5 years.....
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
When is "taking a hit" ever required to pass a physical or be part of the rehab process for any type of surgery on any joint in the body? I'm pretty sure no respectable doctor/physical therapist tells their patients they have to "take a hit" to complete neck rehab?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
no later than 5th round in re-draft this year....
oh wait, 3 years tops.
oh wait, 3 years tops.
not saying it is....just bringing up that there is potentially more uncertainity with how a neck will respond then if he had just torn his acl or something....you blow out your knee again....no big deal....life goes on pretty normal....jack your neck up again, could be a different story...I'm just curious how they can be sure he is ready to play after neck surgery....have seen examples of guys coming back after other types of injuries, just not many involving the neck...
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
OK, I get that neck injuries have more serious consequences than knee injuries. But rehab is rehab**. The goal is to regain the same strength, stability and range of motion as you had before, or, as a "normal" joint would have. If he has completely rehabbed his neck, it means he has the same strength, stability and range of motion that he had before the injury/surgery. And just like other joints/muscles, there are tests to measure the strength, stability and range of motion he currently has in his neck.If Manning is truly rehabilitated (which is probably the more pertinent concern), then worrying about future neck injuries for him doesn't make much more sense than worrying about them for Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, etc.**[i'm no doctor, so someone in the medical profession is welcome to come in and correct where I'm wrong; I have rehabbed a joint injury before, so this is where I'm coming from]
cstu
Footballguy
The Broncos are definitely covering all of their bases. If he doesn't pass the physical for any reason then they don't have to pay him for 2013 and 2014. Also, if he has a neck-related injury in 2013 then they get off the hook for 2014.
mjr
Footballguy
I don't think even Manning himself truly knows how well or how long he'll be playing for. There are a lot of other questions that need to be answered before we try to guess how long he'll be around anyway.
Does he return to old form? I think he has a shot, but there's a lot of rust to knock off here, and at his age, he doesn't have a lot of time to do it. One thing I can guarantee is that he's not going to come out of the gates as the Manning of old and there will be countless threads here proclaiming he's done. But I think we'll have to wait until late 2012, possibly even until 2013 to truly know how well Manning will recover from all of this.
How long will he play well? How long will he play? Two different things. IF he can return to 80% of his prior form or better, I say he might play well for 2 possibly 3 years max. He's going to slow down physically and mentally sooner or later though. Depending on how long he wants to play as a shell of his former self is a big question mark, but my guess is that it wont be for very long. I don't think he's going to be the backup QB type. He'll just retire. If he sees his current contract through to the end, it'll be a huge achievement for him I think.
What if he doesn't return to form or close to it? If Manning struggles for the rest of his NFL days, I give him 2 years tops before Elway starts looking for an exit strategy.
What if his neck doesn't hold up to the hits? I think we'll know the answer to that before mid season, possibly sooner. This will most likely be the first question answered, in fact.
Personally, I think Manning is a good stop gap for any team, real or imaginary, that needs a QB for a year or two while they come up with a long term solution. I took over a last place team and traded for Manning on the cheap. Looking at Luck or RG3 in the draft. Im sure Elway is going to keep looking too.
Does he return to old form? I think he has a shot, but there's a lot of rust to knock off here, and at his age, he doesn't have a lot of time to do it. One thing I can guarantee is that he's not going to come out of the gates as the Manning of old and there will be countless threads here proclaiming he's done. But I think we'll have to wait until late 2012, possibly even until 2013 to truly know how well Manning will recover from all of this.
How long will he play well? How long will he play? Two different things. IF he can return to 80% of his prior form or better, I say he might play well for 2 possibly 3 years max. He's going to slow down physically and mentally sooner or later though. Depending on how long he wants to play as a shell of his former self is a big question mark, but my guess is that it wont be for very long. I don't think he's going to be the backup QB type. He'll just retire. If he sees his current contract through to the end, it'll be a huge achievement for him I think.
What if he doesn't return to form or close to it? If Manning struggles for the rest of his NFL days, I give him 2 years tops before Elway starts looking for an exit strategy.
What if his neck doesn't hold up to the hits? I think we'll know the answer to that before mid season, possibly sooner. This will most likely be the first question answered, in fact.
Personally, I think Manning is a good stop gap for any team, real or imaginary, that needs a QB for a year or two while they come up with a long term solution. I took over a last place team and traded for Manning on the cheap. Looking at Luck or RG3 in the draft. Im sure Elway is going to keep looking too.
cstu
Footballguy
From everything I've read, the concern isn't about the surgery. If the fusion heals properly it should be as strong as before. There are two things that are a concern though - his arm strength and possibility of future neck problems. His weakened arm strength was a result of damaged nerves from pressure from the vertebrae and those nerves take a long time to recover, if they ever do. With the all the trouble he has had with his neck I think he may have a degenerative condition that could cause him more problems with other vertebrae. The bottom line is that I think he can still play but IMO the odds of him staying healthy for 3 more seasons is quite low.
