PFT Rumor: Pete Carroll to be the new SD Coach (1 Viewer)

[switz]

Can we get this thread back on topic?Moderators, can you ban Family Manners? PLEASE! He's killing every Charger thread on the forum with his incessant uneducated, ill-informed, myopically challenged driven rants.

I thought you put me on ignore. Please put me back on ignore and leave me alone. You want to debate opinions the be my guest. But I don't trash your opinions so show the same courtesy.

I did put you on ignore.... unfortunately I still have to read through posts where you are quoted. I wouldn't disrespect your opinions if I saw a single SHRED of reason to them. Seriously, you seem to be on a witch hunt. Nothing you have said represents a well-rounded, well-informed opinion. You refuse to acknowledge at all any evidence contrary to your opinion. You're like a horse with blinders on.I've been on this board a long long time... been in tons of debates. But I've yet to come across another person like you, who will completely ignore the facts. You'd deny the 2x4 existed even after it hit you on the head. That's the type of person you come across as in your posts. Maybe that's not you... I hope not... but it is definitely how you present yourself in Chargers threads.

 

[PadresLakers]

Hey PL. I didn't want to copy the same post over again. But all you did was regurgitate what I posted and changed the analysis to make your opinion seem as though it somehow has merit.I have no problem with the fact you like Smith and the way he does business. I'm happy for you. But others feel differently and we've supported our reasons. I get that you love the man and worship the ground he walks on. I, and others however, do not. Time to move on with this.

I didnt make any analysis. Those were the opinions of the situation as documented by the local newspapers. As a self described Charger fan I would think you would have known these widely known opinions, but unsuprisingly you were just as misinformed on Gates as you were with Brees.

You posted nothing new. I pointed out that it was a journalist making a comment as to what he thought happened. It was very clear that no details were released. Even the reporters you refer said that. There were no facts to support that one side or the other caved, just someone's opinion of what he thought probably happened. In fact I owuldn't be surprised if he had someone from the Chargers telling him what he wrote about. It doesn't make it factual.So if you want to make your point on what a reporter thinks might have happened, go ahead. I can't argue that. Most of this is opinion and not real facts anyway.Again, at the end of the day Gates got a huge contract as he asked for all along. It was less than what Gonzo got but who cares, that's not really relevant at this point. Smith could have accomplished this without hurting the team. And please don't say that having Gates miss a game didn't hurt. That's nonsense.

Yes you are right its probably propoganda orchestrated by the evil AJ Smith. If only there was a non biased newspaper that was covering the story. Maybe you can help me find one, because I only base my opinion on the information that is shown to me. Do you have a link of any sort that can back up the claims that the contract that Gates signed was any different than the one that had been offered to him all offeseason?

 

[phthalatemagic]

Hey.... so.... how bout that Pete Carroll?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Smith decided to put him on the Roster Exempt list even though he was only taking up roster space for preseason games. There was no roster crisis for Smith at that point, and the deadline was set by the Chargers, not by the league.

This is factually incorrect. The deadline for placing a player on the roster-exempt list, as well as the deadline for the player to report after that is done, are set by the league (or, more accurately, I believe they are set forth in the Collective Bargaining Agreement).It wasn't about a "roster crisis." Placing Gates on the roster-exempt list seems to be what got him into camp. That's why it was done.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Thanks for posting MT. I bolded a few items because they are why we are having this discussion and need some clarity added to them.

*Gates wanted to be one of the highest paid TE's in the NFL. Did he accomplish that?

*He was willing to do a shorter term deal but everyone knew that was never going to happen. It's a negotiating tatic.

*He was looking for market value. Did he get that?

No, he didn't get the contract he was holding out for. He got the contract the Chargers had already been offering.

*Gates gave, Chargers gave. It's called negotiations.

Yeah, Gates gave after he was placed on the roster-exempt list. It worked.

*There si no evidence to prove that Smith got exactly what he wanted months ago. It might have speculated but no way that happened unless your naive enough to think that.

What Gates had been seeking (4-5M/yr for three years) and what the Chargers had been offering (4M/yr over six years) had been reported in the paper in July and August. The deal Gates got (22.5M for six years) was a lot closer to what the Chargers had been offering. I don't even know why this matters.

*Someone please help BoltBacker understand this report:

"The tone of negotiations apparently changed after Gates reported Sunday night and signed a $380,000, one-year deal, which is now replaced with his new contract."

BoltBacker has bashed MT and a few of us for what's been proven to be a fact. Talk about frustrating.

I have no clue what you're getting at here. BoltBacker has it right. You have it wrong. "The tone changed" because the tone before Gates reported was that Gates and his agent had cut off negotiations. The tone after Gates reported was that Gates wanted to get a deal done immediately. So yeah, the tone changed.

*The reported line of "Financial details weren't immediately available, but it appeared that Gates' side had to make concessions" is conjecture on the reporters part. It clearly states "fianacial deatils were not availbale".

Financial details were available in the next article. But again, I don't know why they even matter.

*Just to clarify, you and a few others seem to want say that I said Gates got exactly the deal he wanted. But if you read my comments from earlier in this thred, I said "Gates got what we wanted for the most part."

Maybe he got what he secretly "wanted," but didn't get anything close to what he had been asking for. Not that it should matter.

The point that the Smith apologists feel was a good negotiating tool was when used the "Roster Excemption" on Gates. He didn't need to do that and cost the team Gates services.

Why do you think he didn't need to do it? Until he did, Gates was not budging, had cut off negotiations, and was threatening to hold out well into the season.

If you truely believe that Gates caved, then why in the world would Smith have to go such extremes?

To get Gates to cave. Duh.

One could even interpret that Smith put himself in such a bind that he was desparate and made some concessions to correct the mistake he made.

No, one couldn't, because he didn't make concessions. The contract that was signed had been on the table before Gates was placed on the roster-exempt list.

 

[Despyzer]

MT, hasn't this fishing expedition by FM gone on long enough? He really should be put out of our misery.

 

[billyjoe]

Thanks for posting MT. I bolded a few items because they are why we are having this discussion and need some clarity added to them.

*Gates wanted to be one of the highest paid TE's in the NFL. Did he accomplish that?

*He was willing to do a shorter term deal but everyone knew that was never going to happen. It's a negotiating tatic.

*He was looking for market value. Did he get that?

No, he didn't get the contract he was holding out for. He got the contract the Chargers had already been offering.

*Gates gave, Chargers gave. It's called negotiations.

Yeah, Gates gave after he was placed on the roster-exempt list. It worked.

*There si no evidence to prove that Smith got exactly what he wanted months ago. It might have speculated but no way that happened unless your naive enough to think that.

What Gates had been seeking (4-5M/yr for three years) and what the Chargers had been offering (4M/yr over six years) had been reported in the paper in July and August. The deal Gates got (22.5M for six years) was a lot closer to what the Chargers had been offering. I don't even know why this matters.

*Someone please help BoltBacker understand this report:

"The tone of negotiations apparently changed after Gates reported Sunday night and signed a $380,000, one-year deal, which is now replaced with his new contract."

BoltBacker has bashed MT and a few of us for what's been proven to be a fact. Talk about frustrating.

I have no clue what you're getting at here. BoltBacker has it right. You have it wrong. "The tone changed" because the tone before Gates reported was that Gates and his agent had cut off negotiations. The tone after Gates reported was that Gates wanted to get a deal done immediately. So yeah, the tone changed.

*The reported line of "Financial details weren't immediately available, but it appeared that Gates' side had to make concessions" is conjecture on the reporters part. It clearly states "fianacial deatils were not availbale".

Financial details were available in the next article. But again, I don't know why they even matter.

*Just to clarify, you and a few others seem to want say that I said Gates got exactly the deal he wanted. But if you read my comments from earlier in this thred, I said "Gates got what we wanted for the most part."

Maybe he got what he secretly "wanted," but didn't get anything close to what he had been asking for. Not that it should matter.

The point that the Smith apologists feel was a good negotiating tool was when used the "Roster Excemption" on Gates. He didn't need to do that and cost the team Gates services.

Why do you think he didn't need to do it? Until he did, Gates was not budging, had cut off negotiations, and was threatening to hold out well into the season.

If you truely believe that Gates caved, then why in the world would Smith have to go such extremes?

To get Gates to cave. Duh.

One could even interpret that Smith put himself in such a bind that he was desparate and made some concessions to correct the mistake he made.

No, one couldn't, because he didn't make concessions. The contract that was signed had been on the table before Gates was placed on the roster-exempt list.

My god FM is getting his ### kicked int his thread.

 

[PadresLakers]

"The GM is a man of meticulous planning who makes many lists.

He has long had a list of possible successors to Marty Schottenheimer – not so much because he didn't like his coach but just in case.

“Right after Dean hired me, maybe three or four days later, I think it's my job and responsibility to have names,” Smith said Monday night, hours after Schottenheimer was fired. “I've always had a list of names.”

It appears he has more than that.

According to sources inside the organization, when they spoke to Smith and Spanos on Tuesday the two were extremely optimistic – “giddy” was the description of one source – when they referred to their plan.

That plan was not revealed in those meetings. Smith is not returning messages, as he speaks publicly only in statements issued by the team"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...16chargers.html

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so any real news in this four pager, or just pissing??

 

[fatness]

So, is Pete Carroll going to be the new SD head coach or what?

Hey.... so.... how bout that Pete Carroll?

 

[PadresLakers]

So, is Pete Carroll going to be the new SD head coach or what?

Hey.... so.... how bout that Pete Carroll?

POSTED 10:26 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 10:53 a.m. EST, February 16, 2007CARROLL SAYS HE'S STAYING PUTUSC coach Pete Carroll reportedly had communications this week with the San Diego Chargers, who fired head coach Marty Schottenheimer on Monday.But Carroll also says that he's staying put at USC.Carroll raised eyebrows on Tuesday when he refused to comment on the situation. The no-comment route prompted us (and others) to conclude that he had learned something from the Nick "I'm Not Going To Be The Alabama Coach" Saban fiasco, and that if Carroll couldn't truly say he's not going to be the Chargers coach, then he would say nothing at all.But on Thursday Carroll explained the reason for his decision not to talk: "I just got tired of answering questions about the NFL, because there's always a follow-up question from [the media], no matter what I say, so I decided I wouldn't say anything, I wasn't looking at it. I like where I'm at. I'm not going anywhere."Okay, folks. There it is. Carroll essentially has said he's not going to be the Chargers coach.And as much as we'd love to see our theory regarding the situation come to fruition, we're inclined to believe him.With that said, we think that Carroll was a candidate for the job when he said "no comment" on Tuesday, and that in the intervening 48 hours a decision was made, by him or by the team, not to pursue it any further.

 

[PadresLakers]

[uSC football: Carroll is staying put

BY SCOTT WOLF, Staff Writer

Article Last Updated: 02/15/2007 10:59:06 PM PST

USC coach Pete Carroll said Thursday he was not interested in the San Diego Chargers job despite speculation he could be a candidate.

Earlier this week, Carroll refused to comment about the Chargers job. But Carroll said Thursday that was not a sign he could be lured to San Diego.

"I just got tired of answering questions about the NFL, because there's always a follow-up question from (the media), no matter what I say, so I decided I wouldn't say anything," Carroll said. "I wasn't looking at it. I like where I'm at. I'm not going anywhere."

Sources indicated there was communication between the Chargers and Carroll this week, but Carroll said he was never interested.

Meanwhile, Arkansas quarterback Mitch Mustain continued his visit to USC Thursday and the Trojans are considered a strong favorite when he decides to transfer. Another Arkansas native, tailback Broderick Green, briefly considered going to Penn State last week even after he signed with USC, but will stay with the Trojans.

scott.wolf@dailynews.com

(818) 713-3607

 

[Gr00vus]

What a shocker - Pete Carroll isn't going to coach the Chargers. It never made sense to begin with.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

What a shocker - Pete Carroll isn't going to coach the Chargers. It never made sense to begin with.

PFT isn't always a hundred percent accurate.

 

[BoltBacker]

Thanks for posting MT. I bolded a few items because they are why we are having this discussion and need some clarity added to them.*Gates wanted to be one of the highest paid TE's in the NFL. Did he accomplish that?

*He was willing to do a shorter term deal but everyone knew that was never going to happen. It's a negotiating tatic.

*He was looking for market value. Did he get that?

No, he didn't get the contract he was holding out for. He got the contract the Chargers had already been offering.

*Gates gave, Chargers gave. It's called negotiations.

Yeah, Gates gave after he was placed on the roster-exempt list. It worked.

*There si no evidence to prove that Smith got exactly what he wanted months ago. It might have speculated but no way that happened unless your naive enough to think that.

What Gates had been seeking (4-5M/yr for three years) and what the Chargers had been offering (4M/yr over six years) had been reported in the paper in July and August. The deal Gates got (22.5M for six years) was a lot closer to what the Chargers had been offering. I don't even know why this matters.

*Someone please help BoltBacker understand this report:"The tone of negotiations apparently changed after Gates reported Sunday night and signed a $380,000, one-year deal, which is now replaced with his new contract."

BoltBacker has bashed MT and a few of us for what's been proven to be a fact. Talk about frustrating.

I have no clue what you're getting at here. BoltBacker has it right. You have it wrong. "The tone changed" because the tone before Gates reported was that Gates and his agent had cut off negotiations. The tone after Gates reported was that Gates wanted to get a deal done immediately. So yeah, the tone changed.

*The reported line of "Financial details weren't immediately available, but it appeared that Gates' side had to make concessions" is conjecture on the reporters part. It clearly states "fianacial deatils were not availbale".

Financial details were available in the next article. But again, I don't know why they even matter.

*Just to clarify, you and a few others seem to want say that I said Gates got exactly the deal he wanted. But if you read my comments from earlier in this thred, I said "Gates got what we wanted for the most part."

Maybe he got what he secretly "wanted," but didn't get anything close to what he had been asking for. Not that it should matter.

The point that the Smith apologists feel was a good negotiating tool was when used the "Roster Excemption" on Gates. He didn't need to do that and cost the team Gates services.

Why do you think he didn't need to do it? Until he did, Gates was not budging, had cut off negotiations, and was threatening to hold out well into the season.

If you truely believe that Gates caved, then why in the world would Smith have to go such extremes?

To get Gates to cave. Duh.

One could even interpret that Smith put himself in such a bind that he was desparate and made some concessions to correct the mistake he made.

No, one couldn't, because he didn't make concessions. The contract that was signed had been on the table before Gates was placed on the roster-exempt list.

My god FM is getting his ### kicked int his thread.

Are we sure FamilyMatters <> MinistryofPain????? The reason I ask is we had this exact same thread less than two years ago and I've never seen a single other person try to spin the Gates signing with such desperation.

 

[BoltBacker]

IMHO it cost them that game in week 1, and therefore the playoffs.

They wouldn't have made the playoffs even with that game. They lost tie-breakers to both the Steelers and the Chiefs (who also didn't make it).

Why is this so hard for peolpe to understand?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

What a shocker - Pete Carroll isn't going to coach the Chargers. It never made sense to begin with.

PFT isn't always a hundred percent accurate.

They arent 10% accurate.

 

[phthalatemagic]

I don't want this to turn into a USC thread - but does anyone think Carroll's inspiration to leave USC is contingent upon if/how much trouble happens for that program?

 

[phthalatemagic]

What a shocker - Pete Carroll isn't going to coach the Chargers. It never made sense to begin with.

PFT isn't always a hundred percent accurate.

They arent 10% accurate.

I agreeI think PFT embodies "shotgun journalism"

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I don't want this to turn into a USC thread - but does anyone think Carroll's inspiration to leave USC is contingent upon if/how much trouble happens for that program?

Sure. If they got in big trouble. Whats the old adage? Get out while the gettin' is good.They dont have any trouble worth mentioning as of now. Hyperbole yes, trouble no.

 

[Gr00vus]

What a shocker - Pete Carroll isn't going to coach the Chargers. It never made sense to begin with.

PFT isn't always a hundred percent accurate.

And that's - ANOTHER SHOCKER!

 

[Family Matters]

Thanks for posting MT. I bolded a few items because they are why we are having this discussion and need some clarity added to them.

*Gates wanted to be one of the highest paid TE's in the NFL. Did he accomplish that?

*He was willing to do a shorter term deal but everyone knew that was never going to happen. It's a negotiating tatic.

*He was looking for market value. Did he get that?

No, he didn't get the contract he was holding out for. He got the contract the Chargers had already been offering.

*Gates gave, Chargers gave. It's called negotiations.

Yeah, Gates gave after he was placed on the roster-exempt list. It worked.

*There si no evidence to prove that Smith got exactly what he wanted months ago. It might have speculated but no way that happened unless your naive enough to think that.

What Gates had been seeking (4-5M/yr for three years) and what the Chargers had been offering (4M/yr over six years) had been reported in the paper in July and August. The deal Gates got (22.5M for six years) was a lot closer to what the Chargers had been offering. I don't even know why this matters.

*Someone please help BoltBacker understand this report:

"The tone of negotiations apparently changed after Gates reported Sunday night and signed a $380,000, one-year deal, which is now replaced with his new contract."

BoltBacker has bashed MT and a few of us for what's been proven to be a fact. Talk about frustrating.

I have no clue what you're getting at here. BoltBacker has it right. You have it wrong. "The tone changed" because the tone before Gates reported was that Gates and his agent had cut off negotiations. The tone after Gates reported was that Gates wanted to get a deal done immediately. So yeah, the tone changed.

*The reported line of "Financial details weren't immediately available, but it appeared that Gates' side had to make concessions" is conjecture on the reporters part. It clearly states "fianacial deatils were not availbale".

Financial details were available in the next article. But again, I don't know why they even matter.

*Just to clarify, you and a few others seem to want say that I said Gates got exactly the deal he wanted. But if you read my comments from earlier in this thred, I said "Gates got what we wanted for the most part."

Maybe he got what he secretly "wanted," but didn't get anything close to what he had been asking for. Not that it should matter.

The point that the Smith apologists feel was a good negotiating tool was when used the "Roster Excemption" on Gates. He didn't need to do that and cost the team Gates services.

Why do you think he didn't need to do it? Until he did, Gates was not budging, had cut off negotiations, and was threatening to hold out well into the season.

If you truely believe that Gates caved, then why in the world would Smith have to go such extremes?

To get Gates to cave. Duh.

One could even interpret that Smith put himself in such a bind that he was desparate and made some concessions to correct the mistake he made.

No, one couldn't, because he didn't make concessions. The contract that was signed had been on the table before Gates was placed on the roster-exempt list.

MT-If you read all of the articles you psoted (and the ones I did) you can plainly determine that you are wrong about much of what you posted. There's really no need to go over this again. Like you said, what's the point.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't want this to turn into a USC thread - but does anyone think Carroll's inspiration to leave USC is contingent upon if/how much trouble happens for that program?

Sure. If they got in big trouble. Whats the old adage? Get out while the gettin' is good.They dont have any trouble worth mentioning as of now. Hyperbole yes, trouble no.

I think it would depend ona) What, if any, was the level of Carroll's involvement/knowledge of the transgressions

b) What sorts of penalties the overall program would be facing

I've not heard anything that indicts Carroll.

 

[Gr00vus]

MT-If you read all of the articles you psoted (and the ones I did) you can plainly determine that you are wrong about much of what you posted. There's really no need to go over this again. Like you said, what's the point.

As my people like to say....Oy Vey. I say we get FM a dedicated A.J. Smith character assassination thread and make it a sticky up top.

 

[PadresLakers]

MT-If you read all of the articles you psoted (and the ones I did) you can plainly determine that you are wrong about much of what you posted. There's really no need to go over this again. Like you said, what's the point.

Hes not wrong on any of the points. Reading comprehension down?