Philadelphia Eagles QB situation-McNabb/Kolb (1 Viewer)

[Andy Herron]

Within days, we not only learn that Reid has moved Kevin Kolb into the backup role, but then it's reported today that McNabb is dealing with a troublesome shoulder.

I find this to be very suspicious. You never know how those minds work in Philly.

We all know the history here, and the questions regarding McNabb. I think something may be brewing here.

Anybody else?

 

[DarabZarrabi]

I dont think they keep McNabb to be a backup...if they're planning on starting Kolb I think they would have shipped Mcnabb away

 

[Andy Herron]

I dont think they keep McNabb to be a backup...if they're planning on starting Kolb I think they would have shipped Mcnabb away

Ya, but the value's not right at this point. As we get further away from the draft and closer to training camp, it increases.Gotta play the market.

 

[loose circuits]

no

 

[Skanker]

no

 

[Jason Wood]

Andy has beaten this to death in the local media...McNabb is going to be held to a strict number of throws each and every practice b/c he feels like it wore him out last year. All this Kolb news means is he's now considered a better option than A.J. Feeley which he BETTER be at this point.

 

[EBF]

Yea, I really doubt they have any plans to start Kolb over McNabb, but I like Kolb as a dynasty sleeper. I think he has a very good chance of starting somewhere in the next 2-3 years. It's a little bit of an Aaron Rodgers redux IMO.

 

[NorrisB]

Yea, I really doubt they have any plans to start Kolb over McNabb, but I like Kolb as a dynasty sleeper. I think he has a very good chance of starting somewhere in the next 2-3 years. It's a little bit of an Aaron Rodgers redux IMO.

The shark move is to get Kolb, I think its more of a Marvin Harrison Vs. Anthony Gonzalez situation imo except you can get Kolb 15 rounds lated. After McInjury goes down Kolb will take the job and run with it.

 

[Andy Herron]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

 

[KellysHeroes]

Yea, I really doubt they have any plans to start Kolb over McNabb, but I like Kolb as a dynasty sleeper. I think he has a very good chance of starting somewhere in the next 2-3 years. It's a little bit of an Aaron Rodgers redux IMO.

The shark move is to get Kolb, I think its more of a Marvin Harrison Vs. Anthony Gonzalez situation imo except you can get Kolb 15 rounds lated. After McInjury goes down Kolb will take the job and run with it.

I don't think its as bad as Marv vs Gonzo... because I don't even think Marv as a full-time role ever again.McNabb will be the starter as long as he's healthy. I give McNabb another 1 and a half before philly moves on.

 

[Zoomanji]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

 

[Andy Herron]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

 

[MAC_32]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

 

[Bankerguy]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

LOL at the retaliation somment, that made me chuckle for sure.The situation bears watching but I wouldn' t read too much into it either. We are months away from the season starting.

 

[Zoomanji]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

 

[renesauz]

He had the same problem in spring of 04. It may be worth watching, but there's nothing to see here right now.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I predicted two years ago, when they drafted Kolb, that this would be McNabb's last season with Philly. I still strongly believe that.....

 

[EBF]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

FWIW, the coaching staff is reportedly pretty high on him. He may have played in a friendly system, but he's not Timmy Chang. He's an legitimate NFL caliber athlete. Whether or not he can develop into a franchise passer remains to be seen.

 

[Andy Herron]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

 

[Andy Herron]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

LOL at the retaliation somment, that made me chuckle for sure.The situation bears watching but I wouldn' t read too much into it either. We are months away from the season starting.

Ya, I chuckled too, but I started this thread long before the latest T.O. news.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

 

[Andy Herron]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

 

[MAC_32]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

FWIW, the coaching staff is reportedly pretty high on him. He may have played in a friendly system, but he's not Timmy Chang. He's an legitimate NFL caliber athlete. Whether or not he can develop into a franchise passer remains to be seen.

His ability to read defenses (or lack thereof) is reminiscent of the Timmy Chang's, Kliff Kingsbury's, Dave Klingler's, etc. that he's followed. He may be more athletic, but if he can't read a defense (he never has) he has no chance. How many successful, college system QB's have had NFL success?

 

[Zoomanji]

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

Do you mean when they let him go the 1st time because he wanted too much money (only to play badly and was subsequently let go by the Skins)orthe 2nd time he was let go because his knees were shot?

 

[Ned]

The saga continues:

McNabb Shut Down With Shoulder Tendinitis

Quarterback Donovan McNabb is out for today's Passing Camp practice and will most likely miss the remainder of the week due to a case of shoulder tendinitis. Head coach Andy Reid will address the media on the situation when practice concludes today.

McNabb admitted on Monday after his limited activity in practice that he had been experiencing some kind of discomfort when he was asked if he was worred about his arm and he replied, "No. I know it will get better."

Kevin Kolb, who took the majority of the repetitions during Monday's practice, will again work with the first-team offense in practices today through Thursday, when this June passing camp concludes.

McNabb had been the target of speculation regarding his shoulder since the post-draft camp, and the issue seemingly was not an issue as recently as last week when offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg raved about the quarterback's zip and accuracy during Thursday's practice.

However, the discomfort is enough to take some precautionary action. Reid will update the situation early this afternoon.

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=15562

Is this retaliation for the TO thread? Complete non-issue here.

Oh, we'll see...That Eagles front office works in mysterious ways, as we all know.

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

they ended up being right about trotter.

 

[EBF]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

FWIW, the coaching staff is reportedly pretty high on him. He may have played in a friendly system, but he's not Timmy Chang. He's an legitimate NFL caliber athlete. Whether or not he can develop into a franchise passer remains to be seen.

His ability to read defenses (or lack thereof) is reminiscent of the Timmy Chang's, Kliff Kingsbury's, Dave Klingler's, etc. that he's followed. He may be more athletic, but if he can't read a defense (he never has) he has no chance. How many successful, college system QB's have had NFL success?

Drew Brees comes to mind as a "sytem" QB who translated his college success into NFL greatness. Just because a player plays in a friendly system doesn't mean he isn't talented. I think it's a bit early to say whether or not Kolb has good field vision and decision making skills. That's something we probably won't know until he's taken a few hundred snaps in the NFL.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've :X that issue.What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

 

[MAC_32]

I believe the Eagles will be bad when Kolb is under center - this year, next year, and a few years from now. Kolb's a product of his college's sytem, maybe the Eagles can make him a product of their system too but I wouldn't be betting on it. McNabb's their guy, him being shut down is precautionary and little more. There is no "saga" here. Kolb may be a shark buy right now, but he'll be a shark sell when his time does come.

FWIW, the coaching staff is reportedly pretty high on him. He may have played in a friendly system, but he's not Timmy Chang. He's an legitimate NFL caliber athlete. Whether or not he can develop into a franchise passer remains to be seen.

His ability to read defenses (or lack thereof) is reminiscent of the Timmy Chang's, Kliff Kingsbury's, Dave Klingler's, etc. that he's followed. He may be more athletic, but if he can't read a defense (he never has) he has no chance. How many successful, college system QB's have had NFL success?

Drew Brees comes to mind as a "sytem" QB who translated his college success into NFL greatness. Just because a player plays in a friendly system doesn't mean he isn't talented. I think it's a bit early to say whether or not Kolb has good field vision and decision making skills. That's something we probably won't know until he's taken a few hundred snaps in the NFL.

Good example, still the exception to the rule though. Nothing Kolb did in college showed me he could read a defense, he took the play and threw where he was told to throw - the NFL is a whole nother world. It's one thing to take this type of QB on day 2 and hope to develop him. It's completely different to take him early round 2 as your future. It's a dumb risk (that could pay off) and expectations are too high among Philly homers (from what I've seen), I'd be surprised if it works.

 

[scratcher]

Sigh, it seems to be something new every year... Its unfortunate. Obviously depending on the severity, something like this can resolve within weeks or take a few months. They're calling it a tendinopathy for now but I hope its not a rotator cuff tear...

 

[Andy Herron]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

O.K., I'll give them that.

 

[Cable]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

One of many....kinda like franchising Trotter in 2002, then cutting him and getting NOTHING in return??? That has to be the stupidest freaking move an NFL GM could actually make. I mean not even getting a compensatory pick for a 2 time Pro-Bowl MLB in Trotter. Every other team waits out their franchise players or trades them for something even if it's 2 2nds or something, not Andrew Walter Reid and the Eagles FO, they cut Trotter for nothing....not even a compensatory selection in the next draft, not a 2015 7th round pick, not even a 5' Geno's cheesesteak "wiz wit" and a 10 gallon bucket of crab fries to use as a chaser...NOTHING!!!

And what's even better is the Eagles are the only team to not only do that piece of brain flatulence, but they do it twice when they franchised Corey 'Stay Puft' Simon.

Saying that SOME of the Eagles FO decisions are 'mysterious' is an understatement....maybe.

That being said, I love how the Eagles FO has recently built one of the youngest and aggressive defenses in all of football. I can complain, but I give credit where credit is due and that defense will be nice going forward and Andy and Co built it.

 

[Andy Herron]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

One of many....kinda like franchising Trotter in 2002, then cutting him and getting NOTHING in return??? That has to be the stupidest freaking move an NFL GM could actually make. I mean not even getting a compensatory pick for a 2 time Pro-Bowl MLB in Trotter. Every other team waits out their franchise players or trades them for something even if it's 2 2nds or something, not Andrew Walter Reid and the Eagles FO, they cut Trotter for nothing....not even a compensatory selection in the next draft, not a 2015 7th round pick, not even a 5' Geno's cheesesteak "wiz wit" and a 10 gallon bucket of crab fries to use as a chaser...NOTHING!!!

And what's even better is the Eagles are the only team to not only do that piece of brain flatulence, but they do it twice when they franchised Corey 'Stay Puft' Simon.

Saying that SOME of the Eagles FO decisions are 'mysterious' is an understatement....maybe.

That being said, I love how the Eagles FO has recently built one of the youngest and aggressive defenses in all of football. I can complain, but I give credit where credit is due and that defense will be nice going forward and Andy and Co built it.

There ya go. An Eagles fan fessing up to reality.Thank you, Cable, and I'm not being sarcastic. They've made many a miserable decision over the years, and Eagle fans know it.

They don't take care of their own is one of the biggest stigma's.

Re-sign? No.

We'll just let you go.

Yes, they do well in bringing in players behind them, but their lack of loyalty still remains.

 

[massraider]

Moving Kolb up to #2 at this point makes some sense to me, from a practice reps standpoint. Why bother having Kolb and the #3 guy splitting reps, potentially taking away work for Kolb, who they are actually grooming.

I think McNabb's tendinitis happened to coincide at the same point.

not really seeing the "suspicious' activity here.

 

[massraider]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

One of many....kinda like franchising Trotter in 2002, then cutting him and getting NOTHING in return??? That has to be the stupidest freaking move an NFL GM could actually make. I mean not even getting a compensatory pick for a 2 time Pro-Bowl MLB in Trotter. Every other team waits out their franchise players or trades them for something even if it's 2 2nds or something, not Andrew Walter Reid and the Eagles FO, they cut Trotter for nothing....not even a compensatory selection in the next draft, not a 2015 7th round pick, not even a 5' Geno's cheesesteak "wiz wit" and a 10 gallon bucket of crab fries to use as a chaser...NOTHING!!!

And what's even better is the Eagles are the only team to not only do that piece of brain flatulence, but they do it twice when they franchised Corey 'Stay Puft' Simon.

Saying that SOME of the Eagles FO decisions are 'mysterious' is an understatement....maybe.

That being said, I love how the Eagles FO has recently built one of the youngest and aggressive defenses in all of football. I can complain, but I give credit where credit is due and that defense will be nice going forward and Andy and Co built it.

There ya go. An Eagles fan fessing up to reality.Thank you, Cable, and I'm not being sarcastic. They've made many a miserable decision over the years, and Eagle fans know it.

They don't take care of their own is one of the biggest stigma's.

Re-sign? No.

We'll just let you go.

Yes, they do well in bringing in players behind them, but their lack of loyalty still remains.

Same could be said of Steelers and Pats, tough to argue with the notion. Loyalty contracts are often a mistake.

 

[NorrisB]

Heard nothing but good things from the eagles regarding Kolb, Mayock compared him to Cutler out of college, John Madden saw a practice of him (yes I know its madden) and said he looked like a starter. He's also received high praise from Andy Reid and the fact that every single backup QB who has taken over for McNabb has outperformed him, I think this is a situation to watch.

 

[Andy Herron]

Heard nothing but good things from the eagles regarding Kolb, Mayock compared him to Cutler out of college, John Madden saw a practice of him (yes I know its madden) and said he looked like a starter. He's also received high praise from Andy Reid and the fact that every single backup QB who has taken over for McNabb has outperformed him, I think this is a situation to watch.

Another good point.All Kolb has to do is keep from throwing the ball into the turf at the feet of his receivers (when they're open) and he'll move ahead of McNabb.

 

[jasvic]

Heard nothing but good things from the eagles regarding Kolb, Mayock compared him to Cutler out of college, John Madden saw a practice of him (yes I know its madden) and said he looked like a starter. He's also received high praise from Andy Reid and the fact that every single backup QB who has taken over for McNabb has outperformed him, I think this is a situation to watch.

Another good point.All Kolb has to do is keep from throwing the ball into the turf at the feet of his receivers (when they're open) and he'll move ahead of McNabb.

So AJ Feeley, Koy Detmer, Mike McMahon all outperformed him? Hey, it's pretty warm these days, take your fishing outdoors.

 

[fatness]

All Kolb has to do is keep from throwing the ball into the turf at the feet of his receivers (when they're open) and he'll move ahead of McNabb.

I get it now. This is a "they should replace McNabb" thread.

 

[Andy Herron]

All Kolb has to do is keep from throwing the ball into the turf at the feet of his receivers (when they're open) and he'll move ahead of McNabb.

I get it now. This is a "they should replace McNabb" thread.

Truth be told (regarding my opinion), I think the powers-that-be are just waiting for a justifiable reason to replace him so they don't look like the bad guy(s).I've had fans in Philly tell me themselves that they are fed up with McNabb and want him out of there.I'm just trying to point out that there is more turmoil in Philly surrounding McNabb than many realize, and it dates back to the "good ole" T.O. days.Some players included. It hasn't been all that rosey in that locker room, which was one of the reasons they brought back Trotter to try to stabilize it.

 

[silentmark]

I've had fans in Philly tell me themselves that they are fed up with McNabb and want him out of there.

because they don't flip flop at all. I remember when some said they wanted Reid out. Sure bring kolb in and the minute he sucks they'll be screaming for his head too. My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

 

[brock]

andy herron should be a fox news anchor.

 

[MAC_32]

My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

Agreed, biggest wafflers/whiners in sports. They'd rather see Kolb than a guy who has averaged 257 pass yds/gm, maintained a 2:1 TD/turnover ratio, a 7.8 yds/att, a 61% comp over the last 4 years, and had a great finish to the 07 season (250 yds/gm, 6 TDs, 2 TOs, and a 70% comp) after playing all year hurt. It's ridiculous.

 

[Zoomanji]

My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

Agreed, biggest wafflers/whiners in sports. They'd rather see Kolb than a guy who has averaged 257 pass yds/gm, maintained a 2:1 TD/turnover ratio, a 7.8 yds/att, a 61% comp over the last 4 years, and had a great finish to the 07 season (250 yds/gm, 6 TDs, 2 TOs, and a 70% comp) after playing all year hurt. It's ridiculous.

The idiots are loud here. It makes outsiders think they are the majority

 

[brock]

My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

Agreed, biggest wafflers/whiners in sports. They'd rather see Kolb than a guy who has averaged 257 pass yds/gm, maintained a 2:1 TD/turnover ratio, a 7.8 yds/att, a 61% comp over the last 4 years, and had a great finish to the 07 season (250 yds/gm, 6 TDs, 2 TOs, and a 70% comp) after playing all year hurt. It's ridiculous.

good points here.

 

[Pickle Rody]

My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

Agreed, biggest wafflers/whiners in sports. They'd rather see Kolb than a guy who has averaged 257 pass yds/gm, maintained a 2:1 TD/turnover ratio, a 7.8 yds/att, a 61% comp over the last 4 years, and had a great finish to the 07 season (250 yds/gm, 6 TDs, 2 TOs, and a 70% comp) after playing all year hurt. It's ridiculous.

The idiots are loud here. It makes outsiders think they are the majority

Well said, Zoomanji!!

Be it on these boards or listening to sports talk radio, the whiny Eagles fans are the minority.

I'd rather see McNabb play lights out for two more years and have him help to earn the Eagles a couple of Super Bowl victories to shut the minority clowns up.

I like Kolb, he should be a fine QB after he learns the system for a few years.

I like Reid he's done nothing but improve the Eagles franchise to the point where they are one of the winningest franchises over the last 10 years.

I like McNabb, he has guided the Eagles to 4 straight NFC Championship games (and a Super Bowl appearance during that same stretch) all while bieng labeled a lousy QB. Ok, he has had some injuries, but none have been career threatening and he has come back strong from each one.

I'm one of those Eagle fans that are very happy with the front office, Reid, McNabb and the rest. I also thought their draft this year was the best of all 32 NFL teams. No other team raked in as much value. Even so, it will be a few years until that statement bears any truth, just my opinion.

 

[Andy Herron]

andy herron should be a fox news anchor.

Genuinely funny. Seriously.I honestly "laughed out loud" with that one.You got me. I get it.

 

[renesauz]

My point is Philly fans are a fickle bunch so it really doesn't matter want they want or think for that matter...

Agreed, biggest wafflers/whiners in sports. They'd rather see Kolb than a guy who has averaged 257 pass yds/gm, maintained a 2:1 TD/turnover ratio, a 7.8 yds/att, a 61% comp over the last 4 years, and had a great finish to the 07 season (250 yds/gm, 6 TDs, 2 TOs, and a 70% comp) after playing all year hurt. It's ridiculous.

The idiots are loud here. It makes outsiders think they are the majority

Well said, Zoomanji!!

Be it on these boards or listening to sports talk radio, the whiny Eagles fans are the minority.

I'd rather see McNabb play lights out for two more years and have him help to earn the Eagles a couple of Super Bowl victories to shut the minority clowns up.

I like Kolb, he should be a fine QB after he learns the system for a few years.

I like Reid he's done nothing but improve the Eagles franchise to the point where they are one of the winningest franchises over the last 10 years.

I like McNabb, he has guided the Eagles to 4 straight NFC Championship games (and a Super Bowl appearance during that same stretch) all while bieng labeled a lousy QB. Ok, he has had some injuries, but none have been career threatening and he has come back strong from each one.

I'm one of those Eagle fans that are very happy with the front office, Reid, McNabb and the rest. I also thought their draft this year was the best of all 32 NFL teams. No other team raked in as much value. Even so, it will be a few years until that statement bears any truth, just my opinion.

Eagles fans are, in general, a differant breed....but there are a ton of us that appreciate and love what DMac has brought us!

 

[Jason Wood]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

One of many....kinda like franchising Trotter in 2002, then cutting him and getting NOTHING in return??? That has to be the stupidest freaking move an NFL GM could actually make. I mean not even getting a compensatory pick for a 2 time Pro-Bowl MLB in Trotter. Every other team waits out their franchise players or trades them for something even if it's 2 2nds or something, not Andrew Walter Reid and the Eagles FO, they cut Trotter for nothing....not even a compensatory selection in the next draft, not a 2015 7th round pick, not even a 5' Geno's cheesesteak "wiz wit" and a 10 gallon bucket of crab fries to use as a chaser...NOTHING!!!

And what's even better is the Eagles are the only team to not only do that piece of brain flatulence, but they do it twice when they franchised Corey 'Stay Puft' Simon.

Saying that SOME of the Eagles FO decisions are 'mysterious' is an understatement....maybe.

That being said, I love how the Eagles FO has recently built one of the youngest and aggressive defenses in all of football. I can complain, but I give credit where credit is due and that defense will be nice going forward and Andy and Co built it.

First of all, Trotter wasn't franchised, he was given the transition tag. Second of all, his release sent a message that no player was bigger than the team. Brian Dawkins and Hugh Douglas both commented over the years that that move turned the Eagles into a Super Bowl contender; it turned the locker room into all business, and it showed at least for a time that no one player was bigger than the organization.As to Corey Simon, there were "other" issues at play there and the Eagles opted to extricate themselves from the tag before Simon had a chance to sign it and force the Eagles to retain him for another season with big $$$$. I won't get into the "other" issues but a quick look at how Simon's career went from there should give you an idea of why that was a very smart decision [which looked like a dumb one at the time, I agree].

 

[Cable]

Mysterious ways and the Eagles' FO aren't synonymous at all. I don't get it.

Oh c'mon Jeff, I know you're an Eagles homer and all, but really.The way they've handled (or mis-handled) some of their more popular players over the years has been highly questionable and unpopular.

How they handle players <> "mysterious ways".They've been pretty open with how they handle their players for a long time.

Are you talking about TO? Someone else?

"Mysterious" in the reasoning behind some of their decisions. Trotter is a good example, but there have been many.

As someone who follows them closely, I can see how most might be at their actions, but they typically are rather up front about their decisions. Anything that seems "mysterious" is often to not bad mouth the player (i.e. "he sucks" or "he's done").The one decision I didn't agree with was not keeping TO - the only true #1 that McNabb has had - but we've that issue.

What I'm saying is that the Eagles' FO / HC is pretty open in discussions - certainly more than NE or DEN.

One of many....kinda like franchising Trotter in 2002, then cutting him and getting NOTHING in return??? That has to be the stupidest freaking move an NFL GM could actually make. I mean not even getting a compensatory pick for a 2 time Pro-Bowl MLB in Trotter. Every other team waits out their franchise players or trades them for something even if it's 2 2nds or something, not Andrew Walter Reid and the Eagles FO, they cut Trotter for nothing....not even a compensatory selection in the next draft, not a 2015 7th round pick, not even a 5' Geno's cheesesteak "wiz wit" and a 10 gallon bucket of crab fries to use as a chaser...NOTHING!!!

And what's even better is the Eagles are the only team to not only do that piece of brain flatulence, but they do it twice when they franchised Corey 'Stay Puft' Simon.

Saying that SOME of the Eagles FO decisions are 'mysterious' is an understatement....maybe.

That being said, I love how the Eagles FO has recently built one of the youngest and aggressive defenses in all of football. I can complain, but I give credit where credit is due and that defense will be nice going forward and Andy and Co built it.

First of all, Trotter wasn't franchised, he was given the transition tag. Second of all, his release sent a message that no player was bigger than the team. Brian Dawkins and Hugh Douglas both commented over the years that that move turned the Eagles into a Super Bowl contender; it turned the locker room into all business, and it showed at least for a time that no one player was bigger than the organization.As to Corey Simon, there were "other" issues at play there and the Eagles opted to extricate themselves from the tag before Simon had a chance to sign it and force the Eagles to retain him for another season with big $$$$. I won't get into the "other" issues but a quick look at how Simon's career went from there should give you an idea of why that was a very smart decision [which looked like a dumb one at the time, I agree].

Ah...no.BUT....

I was wrong...releasing Trotter from his 2002 franchise tag netted the Eagles a 2003 4th rounder, which turned out to be DEnd Jamaal Green. Trotter did get the transition tag, but that was in 2001 which he signed. In 2002 he received the dreaded franchise tag and simply couldn't play for $6 million a season or whatever it was then. So the Eagles FO buckled, couldn't sign a 25 year old 2 time ProBowl MLB who fit their defense. No sir, they lifted the tag and Trotter signed with the Redskins shortly thereafter.

I'm sorry, but releasing a young, 2 time ProBowler is just stupid. He had to sign the tender, otherwise he was sitting out. Which would have sent more of a message, holding Trotter to the NFLPA agreed upon Collective Bargaining Agreement and live up to the terms of the franchise tag OR simply give in and cut him because he was upset with the situation and his heinous and insulting treatment of a pittance $6 million? Perhaps if the Eagles held their ground there wouldn't have been a precedent set for an eerily similar situation to happen in 2005....

Also, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference in the outcome considering the surreal disgrace of a game plan put together by Andy and Co on January 19th 2003...but on that 3rd and 2 from the Tampa 24, Trotter, in his prime, would have buried Jurevicius rather than watch said dude ramble 71 yards, and torch a one legged Blaine Bishop all the while prized 2nd round rookie Michael Lewis rode the bench, just like ALL Eagles rookies seem to, which is another beef with Andy and not an Arby's double beef and cheese either.

Agreed...Corey Simon was a good move. Seeing him on MNF in that all white Colts uni made me laugh...he reminded me of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.