Pitchers that signed big contracts (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

- Since going to Atlanta in 2003, Mike Hampton has been paid over $88 million and won 35 games in those 6 years.

- Since going to SF, Barry Zito is 21-30 with an ERA of 4.83 for his $24.5 million over 2 seasons.

- Kevin Brown went 54-36 over 6 years for his $105 million contract with the Dodgers and Yankees.

- Chan Ho Park went 33-33 with a 5.56 ERA for $75 million over his 5 year deal given by the Rangers.

- The Mets got 32 wins for the $52 million they paid Pedro Martinez over the past 4 years.

- The Dodgers have 1 win in 2 years to show for the $31 million they have paid Jason Schmidt over the past two seasons.

- While he had two solid years early in his 4-year deal, Bartolo Colon collected an extra $30 million from the Angels to go 7-12 with a 5.90 ERA in 2006 and 2007.

- Carl Pavano collected $31 million to 9-8 over 3 years with the Yankees.

- Kevin Millwood went 35-36 over the past 3 years for the Rangers (for $36 million).

- Matt Clement cost the Red Sox an extra $19 million for his 5 wins combined in 2006 and 2007.

- Chris Carpenter has collected roughly $20 million to not win a game (due to injury) the past two seasons.

- After winning the World Series in 2004, Keith Foulke cost the Bosox $22 million for 15 more saves over 3 seasons.

- Although not a long-term deal, the Yankees shelled out $28 million for Roger Clemens to go 6-6 in 2007.

The track record for pitchers being healthy and productive for long term deals is not all that great. Given the money being discussed for some of the top free agents this year, I'm not sure I would want my team giving up a king's ransom to acquire them.

 

[dparker713]

- Since going to Atlanta in 2003, Mike Hampton has been paid over $88 million and won 35 games in those 6 years.- Since going to SF, Barry Zito is 21-30 with an ERA of 4.83 for his $24.5 million over 2 seasons.- Kevin Brown went 54-36 over 6 years for his $105 million contract with the Dodgers and Yankees.- Chan Ho Park went 33-33 with a 5.56 ERA for $75 million over his 5 year deal given by the Rangers.- The Mets got 32 wins for the $52 million they paid Pedro Martinez over the past 4 years.- The Dodgers have 1 win in 2 years to show for the $31 million they have paid Jason Schmidt over the past two seasons.- While he had two solid years early in his 4-year deal, Bartolo Colon collected an extra $30 million from the Angels to go 7-12 with a 5.90 ERA in 2006 and 2007.- Carl Pavano collected $31 million to 9-8 over 3 years with the Yankees.- Kevin Millwood went 35-36 over the past 3 years for the Rangers (for $36 million).- Matt Clement cost the Red Sox an extra $19 million for his 5 wins combined in 2006 and 2007.- Chris Carpenter has collected roughly $20 million to not win a game (due to injury) the past two seasons.- After winning the World Series in 2004, Keith Foulke cost the Bosox $22 million for 15 more saves over 3 seasons.- Although not a long-term deal, the Yankees shelled out $28 million for Roger Clemens to go 6-6 in 2007.The track record for pitchers being healthy and productive for long term deals is not all that great. Given the money being discussed for some of the top free agents this year, I'm not sure I would want my team giving up a king's ransom to acquire them.

-Hampton's deal was a case of Colorado overpaying to try to get any respectable pitcher to come and play in their launching pad. -SF lost its mind in its deal with Zito, especially the length considering the red flags prior to his deal.-Brown was older when his deal was signed, though when infrequently healthy he was effective.-Park was the Chez Revine effect, and was completel lunacy when it was signed.-The Mets definitely overpaid for Pedro, and were certainly hoping for more, but they also made a calculated risk to turn around a floundering team and attract other free agents, results of the extras as well as his pitching were mixed.- No idea why the Dodgers paid Schmidt that money considering the stunning drop in K/9 prior to his deal.- Colon got way fat and useless, and at the time I thought it was a decent signing- Pavano was way overpaid, but I dont think anyone thought he'd be THAT bad.- Millwood was in his 30s and coming off a career year. Plus he was moving to the bandbox in Arlington.- I liked the Clement signing when it happened- Carpenter had a history of arm problems, but still he was their ace during their WS win and playoff runs. Cant really fault the Cards for trying to hang onto him, especially since his price per year is kinda a bargain (as disgusting as that sounds)- Never liked signing closers for big money or long term deals, so Foulke seemed like a waste of money, but they're the Red Sox, they can waste some money.- The 28 mil is a prorated figure based on a full year, of which he wasnt paid 2 months or so, and considering how decimated the Yanks rotation was when he agreed to return and the yankee's budget, I thought it was probably worthwhile for them - thought it wouldnt have been for anyone else.There are of course FA pitchers that pan out on the flip side. Though because of the paucity of available talent bad deals seem to be the norm these days.For the most part I'd agree that pitchers looking to get long term deals are scary. FRod lost 4 mph off his fastball this past year, I'd stay away from him and the rest of the rest of the closers. Lowe is getting fairly old and I wouldnt want a long term deal, and AJ Burnett's arm might blow up at any second. Then there is the big prize - CC. Im a bit torn on him. He seemed to have a dead arm to start the season and then pitched his heart (and maybe his arm) out for the Brewers. He's so good I can see taking a chance on a 4 year deal, and *maybe* a 5 year deal. But 6 years for any pitcher is lunacy, especially at the numbers the Yankees are throwing around.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Juan Guzman and Darren Dreifort down?

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

Russ Ortiz, Kei Igawa, Denny Naegle down? (besides Denny's zipper)

Wilson Alvarez & Kevin Appier come to mind also

Freddie Garcia got 10M for his 1 win last year.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Juan Guzman and Darren Dreifort down?

First name I thought of when I saw this thread. Sad thing is, Dreifort has produced more productive during his contract than Schmidt has.

 

[TitusIII]

A pitcher only has so many bullets...

 

[Thunderlips]

Russ Ortiz, Kei Igawa, Denny Naegle down? (besides Denny's zipper)

Wilson Alvarez & Kevin Appier come to mind also

Freddie Garcia got 10M for his 1 win last year.

At the cost of Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd. If there is a dark cloud on the Phils horizon.....this mistake is one of the few.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Russ Ortiz, Kei Igawa, Denny Naegle down? (besides Denny's zipper)

Wilson Alvarez & Kevin Appier come to mind also

Freddie Garcia got 10M for his 1 win last year.

At the cost of Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd. If there is a dark cloud on the Phils horizon.....this mistake is one of the few.

Yes, it was by war the worst move Gillick made, and he signed Adam Eaton. Luckily, the Phils had enough homegrown pitching, and three trades that worked out spectacularly (Lidge, Blanton, Moyer), to get them a championship. Gillick also did a good job of finding useful pitchers for dirt cheap (C. Durbin, Romero). And those are the kinds of things you have to do unless you're the Yankees, Mets, or Red Sox. Pitchers on the FA market are rarely ever worth it. You have to develop your own, and find undervalued guys cheaply.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Really? Wins and losses?