Banger
Footballguy
for the ones that drafted him and insist he should/will be the starter, nothing will change their mind....
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mr. furley
Footballguy
one of people's beefs with Jones this season has been that he dances too much.. which, from what i've seen, has been true some of the time. he hasn't been very decisive.
but their argument for Benson has been that he's decisive and runs downhill.
so i made a point of watching that last nite. particularly when Benson touched the ball.
there were at least 2 instances where he took the ball and stopped in the backfield. just stopped. he didn't get the ball and slash to the hole. he got the ball and jumped to a halt.
i'm not going to sit here and say that makes Benson a bad RB.. what happened was the O-Line simply did not block. he got the ball and instead of hitting it hard, he was worried about the defenders breaking through the line. much as i'm sure Jones has been worried all season.
the Bears run blocking is just sub-par this year. they've gotta shore that up if they hope to make anyone look good running the ball.
that said... if Benson hopes to make an impression he's got to charge headlong in to the line no matter what is happening in front of him.
he's not going to stand out by basically doing exactly what Jones does... only not as well.
but their argument for Benson has been that he's decisive and runs downhill.
so i made a point of watching that last nite. particularly when Benson touched the ball.
there were at least 2 instances where he took the ball and stopped in the backfield. just stopped. he didn't get the ball and slash to the hole. he got the ball and jumped to a halt.
i'm not going to sit here and say that makes Benson a bad RB.. what happened was the O-Line simply did not block. he got the ball and instead of hitting it hard, he was worried about the defenders breaking through the line. much as i'm sure Jones has been worried all season.
the Bears run blocking is just sub-par this year. they've gotta shore that up if they hope to make anyone look good running the ball.
that said... if Benson hopes to make an impression he's got to charge headlong in to the line no matter what is happening in front of him.
he's not going to stand out by basically doing exactly what Jones does... only not as well.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
The way Benson ran yest. he proved that he deserves the ball a lot more. yes Thomas Jones had good stats but he goes down so easy...compared to the defenders that Benson was draging/carrying/running over.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
dude, it's week 12. let it go...
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Seems like he had a good game. And it only took him 12 weeks! He's fantasy dirt.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I guess if you aren't playing in the playoffs he would be dirt. However, witht he Bears record of 9-2 with a 4 games lead in the division and 2 game lead in the conference, look for Benson to play more down the stretch to see if he can help them more than they think in the playoffs and to give TJ a rest. Those will be prime points esp week 16 vs Detroit.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Feel free to dredge this post back up in the preseason next year, but don't bring this up again....If anyone were relying on Ced this year their season is over...
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
The Bears are probably more concerned with their QB situation right now
Benson did have a good game, honestly. And this is the first time in the season for him I think. He might get more reps in the final 3-4 weeks and people who held onto him might be rewarded. But again, Jones hasn't really done much to lose the job and Benson hasn't done enough to win it. Status quo.
Benson did have a good game, honestly. And this is the first time in the season for him I think. He might get more reps in the final 3-4 weeks and people who held onto him might be rewarded. But again, Jones hasn't really done much to lose the job and Benson hasn't done enough to win it. Status quo.
agree
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Agreed.
TJ is Chicago's offensive MVP this year, and there is no way he's losing his job. He's averaged 95 yards rushing a game over the last 7 games, and the way Grossman has played lately, they'll keep it on the ground. It looks like the Bears are trying to get Benson 10 carries a game, and it should stay that way.
Bears upcoming schedule looks nice as well
Minn --
Rams -
Bucs -
Lions -
TJ is Chicago's offensive MVP this year, and there is no way he's losing his job. He's averaged 95 yards rushing a game over the last 7 games, and the way Grossman has played lately, they'll keep it on the ground. It looks like the Bears are trying to get Benson 10 carries a game, and it should stay that way.
Bears upcoming schedule looks nice as well
Minn --
Rams -
Bucs -
Lions -
skbatmen
Footballguy
Let's get it straight.
Fact=This is Thomas Jones' 7th year in the NFL and he has rushed for over 1000 yards (which is only an average of 63 yards per game) only once in his career!!! 7 years only 1 1000 yard season!
It is a fact that TJ is in his 7th season, thus he would only have had 6 chances so far. He will likely make 1000 this year and was close in 2004 (948 yards). My opinion... you can wipe off the first three years to RB hell in Arizona. Even Edge looks bad with the Cardinals.
Fact=Thomas Jones is injury prone....he has never played a full NFL season.
This is NOT true. He played in 16 games for the Cards in 2001 and Bucs in 2003. Don't claim facts when that are not true. This taints your agruement.
Fact=Benson played well in limited time vs. Lions, SF, and NO last season and helped us win those games(in his limited time).
This is an opinion. "Played well" cant' be proven.
Fact=This season most of his carries have been in mop up situations.
Again, this is not a fact. Goal line situations are not 'mop up.' But then, 'mop up situations' can't be proven so it can't be a fact.
I am not a Bears fan. I have both TJ and CB in a dynasty league. So, I would love to see one (not both) succeed from a fantasy standpoint.
The debate about TJ and CB is interesting to read. But, stating facts that are opinions OR not true kills your arguement.
Fact=This is Thomas Jones' 7th year in the NFL and he has rushed for over 1000 yards (which is only an average of 63 yards per game) only once in his career!!! 7 years only 1 1000 yard season!
It is a fact that TJ is in his 7th season, thus he would only have had 6 chances so far. He will likely make 1000 this year and was close in 2004 (948 yards). My opinion... you can wipe off the first three years to RB hell in Arizona. Even Edge looks bad with the Cardinals.
Fact=Thomas Jones is injury prone....he has never played a full NFL season.
This is NOT true. He played in 16 games for the Cards in 2001 and Bucs in 2003. Don't claim facts when that are not true. This taints your agruement.
Fact=Benson played well in limited time vs. Lions, SF, and NO last season and helped us win those games(in his limited time).
This is an opinion. "Played well" cant' be proven.
Fact=This season most of his carries have been in mop up situations.
Again, this is not a fact. Goal line situations are not 'mop up.' But then, 'mop up situations' can't be proven so it can't be a fact.
I am not a Bears fan. I have both TJ and CB in a dynasty league. So, I would love to see one (not both) succeed from a fantasy standpoint.
The debate about TJ and CB is interesting to read. But, stating facts that are opinions OR not true kills your arguement.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How did TJ look better at 23/99/0 compared to 10/46/1? Jones was stymied the entire first half and looked terrible doing it. He had a couple nice runs in the 2nd half that helped his avg. I bet if Benson had 23 carries he would have more than 99 yds.
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I think so too. Benson is the one who soften up the defense in the first half all the while still outperforming TJ in YPC. Benson was ripping the NE Def, and if he wouldve got the chance to have 12-15 2nd half carries he wouldve gone well over 100 yards. TJ was the benefactor yesterday of Bensons hard work and hard running IMO.
"But, stating facts that are opinions OR not true kills your arguement."I guess that makes your argument dead.In the two years TJ played in 16 games he hardly carried any kind of load. In 2001 he only had 112 carries, even Michael Bennett could stay healthy with that work load. The year with the Bucs, he was Pittmans backup so that year dont count for much to your argument either.Here is a FACT: Thomas Jones has averaged 184 carries per year for his career, far from being a workhorse, yet in this limited workload he has missed 12 games in 6 3/4 years. Almost an average of two games a year.
matuski
Footballguy
The 10 carries are the ones that softened up the D, but not the 23? I would submit you have that backwards. Benson came in to spell TJ on a couple series... the work was done by TJ (as evidenced by the number of carries).The bottom line is all Benson has are your "if" arguements.. TJ is getting it done, no "ifs" about it.
Thomas Jones had 7 carries for 15 yards in the 1st half, Benson had 7 carries for 39 yards. Man you TJ supporters are dense.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I disagree. It was bad from the start. I don't think it had any room to deteriorate.Also, why don't all the Benson threads get merged? All of the quality Bears threads did.
you're right. you win.I disagree. It was bad from the start. I don't think it had any room to deteriorate.Also, why don't all the Benson threads get merged? All of the quality Bears threads did.
JohnnyCat
Footballguy
I added the orginal poster to my ignore list when I first saw this post. It's a shame. People come here for insight and opinions that are able to be backed up with reason. I hate these posts that are "mark it down", or so-and-so is the man, etc. predictions that are just thrown out there to look good.
Nobody's perfect, and right or wrong, theres plenty of people to respect on this forum. These people always back it up with football logic.
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Nobody's perfect, and right or wrong, theres plenty of people to respect on this forum. These people always back it up with football logic.
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mr. furley
Footballguy
amazing. every week there's a different excuse for why Benson should be playing. and every week he sits the bench.
maybe just MAYBE Lovie sees things that you don't and that's why Benson isn't playing. just a hunch.benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Look at this topic and all of the people hating on my post.....I love being write and they can all eat their words.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Any ideas on the 08' outlook?I agree 100% and if you noticed they did almost the same this year, I know this sounds absurd, but Benson really got into a groove the last four games, most of the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the offensive line, if you look at Adrian Peterson's numbers they're not any better5 CHI GB 27 64 6 CHI MIN 18 67 7 CHI PHI 17 46 8 CHI DET 13 50 10 CHI OAK 29 76 1 11 CHI SEA 11 8912 CHI DEN 8 47 Not too bad last four weeks 61 carries for 262, 4.30 ypc. They need to try and improve that line and keep giving Benson the ball, and he'll be a lock for Rb2 numbers.
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The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
Paging TD5150.......
flapgreen
Footballguy
btw, you were write
MAC_32
Footballguy
You should look into changing your username.
joffer
Footballguy
crazy gadget
Footballguy
Choices:Mendenhall_will_lead_the_wayorPeterson_will_lead_the_wayMAC_32 said:
Armor & Sword
Footballguy
zzzzzzzz.
Are there really still Benson slappies around? Sheesh.
Are there really still Benson slappies around? Sheesh.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I must have been drunk when I typed that wrong...lol.I am going to settle this once and for all. I support Cedric Benson, I still think he can be a top RB in this league in the Bears Offense.Why? Because he fits the Bears power running scheme and gets downhill in a hurry. The line faded and Benson didn't fulfill expectations last season. However, I do think that he can come back solid if the Offensive line(please draft 3 lineman in the first 3 rounds) and Benson get healthy.I know Benson isn't the most flashy or most athletic running back. However, I think he is a perfect fit for the scheme and thats why I think he can lead the way.flapgreen said:btw, you were write
NorrisB
Footballguy
Benson was really getting into a groove there at the end of the season he gets down hill quick and is a load to bring down and he fits the system very well.I must have been drunk when I typed that wrong...lol.I am going to settle this once and for all. I support Cedric Benson, I still think he can be a top RB in this league in the Bears Offense.Why? Because he fits the Bears power running scheme and gets downhill in a hurry. The line faded and Benson didn't fulfill expectations last season. However, I do think that he can come back solid if the Offensive line(please draft 3 lineman in the first 3 rounds) and Benson get healthy.I know Benson isn't the most flashy or most athletic running back. However, I think he is a perfect fit for the scheme and thats why I think he can lead the way.flapgreen said:btw, you were write
mdog1967
Footballguy
I am still shocked that anyone would hold out hope for Benson. Its like burning your right on the stove today, only to muse if your left hand might hold up better. Benson is done....
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
I must have missed the games where he was a load to bring down. a few times, I thought I heard him actually blame the grass for jumping out of nowhere and tackling him.
Brutis
Footballguy
I remember not long ago how most on this very board said TJones was done after a couple years in Arizona. They said the same about Jam Lewis in Balt. I can go on and on. Benson has started 10 or so games in his career. Its a bit early in the game to count him out. If he struggles all next year again then i might agree.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
[caveman]Yeah, I have a response....ah....What?[/caveman]
gianmarco
Footballguy
Does "gets downhill in a hurry" = falls down easily? That's the only translation I could really come up with.The only thing I've seen Benson do "in a hurry" is make excuses why he hasn't been successful.I must have been drunk when I typed that wrong...lol.I am going to settle this once and for all.btw, you were write
I support Cedric Benson, I still think he can be a top RB in this league in the Bears Offense.
Why? Because he fits the Bears power running scheme and gets downhill in a hurry. The line faded and Benson didn't fulfill expectations last season. However, I do think that he can come back solid if the Offensive line(please draft 3 lineman in the first 3 rounds) and Benson get healthy.
I know Benson isn't the most flashy or most athletic running back. However, I think he is a perfect fit for the scheme and thats why I think he can lead the way.
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Southside Stosh
Footballguy
I've always thought Benson would be a good fit for Denver. Methinks Shanny would find a way to motivate Benson.
IMO, if Benson dosen't shine this season, he is finished in Chicago.
IMO, if Benson dosen't shine this season, he is finished in Chicago.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I think too many people see the past and use that as their only barometer for the future. Now, if you are judging the way he runs as an issue, that has more merit, but if you don't take into account how poor the Ol and QB play was then you are doing a poor job of analysis.
my opinion is that if he had a good line he would look FAR better. He is not talentless (as people have said) and he does not go down on first contact all the time (as people have said). There are plenty of RB's that people thought were bad when the line didn't play well.
Now, the main issues I have with Benson have been his attitude and he has seemed injury prone. He has seemed to deflect blame and that has not suited him well. This may seem a bit extreme, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a Rudi Johnson type of back. If the Bears improve their line, I would say that Benson is a great sleeper.
BTW, if he were so bad, then it would stand to reason that the rest of the Bears team would have performed better than he did. In a similar number of carries, Benson had a higher YPC than the others (they were each bad)
Just for clarity, I do not think Benson is special, but I do think that people who say he shouldn't be in the NFL are not doing the proper analysis.
my opinion is that if he had a good line he would look FAR better. He is not talentless (as people have said) and he does not go down on first contact all the time (as people have said). There are plenty of RB's that people thought were bad when the line didn't play well.
Now, the main issues I have with Benson have been his attitude and he has seemed injury prone. He has seemed to deflect blame and that has not suited him well. This may seem a bit extreme, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a Rudi Johnson type of back. If the Bears improve their line, I would say that Benson is a great sleeper.
BTW, if he were so bad, then it would stand to reason that the rest of the Bears team would have performed better than he did. In a similar number of carries, Benson had a higher YPC than the others (they were each bad)
Just for clarity, I do not think Benson is special, but I do think that people who say he shouldn't be in the NFL are not doing the proper analysis.
Balance
Footballguy
Brewzers
Footballguy
Take deep breaths, count to ten, let it go.A lot of great posters in here that will still deny they were wrong.
