Player Spotlight: Brian Westbrook (1 Viewer)

[jurb26]

I didn't point to Pinkston, just mentioned that you used him as a distraction to the debate. I agree with you about that, I don't care if he plays this year or not, it won't have much, if any, effect on Westbrook.

I don't think you followed it very well. Snott was the one who brought up Pinkston, not me. He picks out 3 games in which Pinkston did not play out of the 16 he did not play last year and I'm just supposed to know which of those 16 he was picking?

 

[jurb26]

The point is that when the WRs or a WR (TO) takes the pressure off Westy in the passing game, he produces at a much higher level. This is not a difficult concept and one that has been consistent throughout. I don't see any playmakers at WR for Philly to consistently releave that pressure, do you?

Did they have playmakers at WR before TO? No, they did not. Westbrook yds/rec pre-Owens:

2002 = 9.6

2003 = 9.0

Considering his average in 2004 (with Owens) was 9.6 - the SAME as in 2002 - it is NOT true that he "produces at a much higher level" with a playmaking WR. He has been extemely consistent at 9.6, 9.0, 9.6 and 10.1.

This was addressed in the other thread posted. If you don't think they had playmakers outside Westy in 2003 then your crazy. Westy was in a 3 RB split that year and had the lowest YPC out of the 3. As for his rookie year of 2002, would you say that 9 rec is really a viable sample size?Again, the point is that in 2003 Westy was not the focus of the Ds. This year he WILL be.

This is why I site both Brown and Moats as guys to releave the pressure.

 

[zadok]

The point is that when the WRs or a WR (TO) takes the pressure off Westy in the passing game, he produces at a much higher level.  This is not a difficult concept and one that has been consistent throughout.  I don't see any playmakers at WR for Philly to consistently releave that pressure, do you? 

Did they have playmakers at WR before TO? No, they did not. Westbrook yds/rec pre-Owens:

2002 = 9.6

2003 = 9.0

Considering his average in 2004 (with Owens) was 9.6 - the SAME as in 2002 - it is NOT true that he "produces at a much higher level" with a playmaking WR. He has been extemely consistent at 9.6, 9.0, 9.6 and 10.1.

This was addressed in the other thread posted. If you don't think they had playmakers outside Westy in 2003 then your crazy. Westy was in a 3 RB split that year and had the lowest YPC out of the 3. As for his rookie year of 2002, would you say that 9 rec is really a viable sample size?Again, the point is that in 2003 Westy was not the focus of the Ds. This year he WILL be.

And he wasn't after Owens was suspended? Before Owens = 9.3 yds/rec (9.6 + 9.0)

During Owens = 10.7 (9.6 + 11.7 - 6 games w/ Owens)

After Owens = 9.0 (5 games post-Owens, 3 with no McNabb)

Bottom line averages:

With Owens = 10.7 ypc

Without Owens = 9.15 ypc

 

[jurb26]

The point is that when the WRs or a WR (TO) takes the pressure off Westy in the passing game, he produces at a much higher level. This is not a difficult concept and one that has been consistent throughout. I don't see any playmakers at WR for Philly to consistently releave that pressure, do you?

Did they have playmakers at WR before TO? No, they did not. Westbrook yds/rec pre-Owens:

2002 = 9.6

2003 = 9.0

Considering his average in 2004 (with Owens) was 9.6 - the SAME as in 2002 - it is NOT true that he "produces at a much higher level" with a playmaking WR. He has been extemely consistent at 9.6, 9.0, 9.6 and 10.1.

This was addressed in the other thread posted. If you don't think they had playmakers outside Westy in 2003 then your crazy. Westy was in a 3 RB split that year and had the lowest YPC out of the 3. As for his rookie year of 2002, would you say that 9 rec is really a viable sample size?Again, the point is that in 2003 Westy was not the focus of the Ds. This year he WILL be.

And he wasn't after Owens was suspended? Before Owens = 9.3 yds/rec (9.6 + 9.0)

During Owens = 10.7 (9.6 + 11.7 - 6 games w/ Owens)

After Owens = 9.0 (5 games post-Owens, 3 with no McNabb)

Bottom line averages:

With Owens = 10.7 ypc

Without Owens = 9.15 ypc

Not sure how you got your numbers, but these are the ones I got for last year:With TO:

5.57 rec, 60.42 yds, 10.88 ypc, 0.57 TDs per game

W/o TO:

4.40 rec, 38.80 yds, 8.81 ypc, 0.00 TDs per game

2004:

With TO:

5.61 rec, 54.07 yds, 9.6 ypc 0.46 TDs per game

W/o TO:

5.00 rec, 43.00 yds, 8.6 ypc 0.50 TDs per game

I initially had Westy's avg at around the 8.5 that those w/o TO numbers show. However, with the added talk of increased rushing by the Eagles and thanks to Snott pointing out that they may in fact not be as opposed to runing more. I altered them thinking that Moats would get the bulk of any extra carries.

 

[zadok]

The point is that when the WRs or a WR (TO) takes the pressure off Westy in the passing game, he produces at a much higher level.  This is not a difficult concept and one that has been consistent throughout.  I don't see any playmakers at WR for Philly to consistently releave that pressure, do you? 

Did they have playmakers at WR before TO? No, they did not. Westbrook yds/rec pre-Owens:

2002 = 9.6

2003 = 9.0

Considering his average in 2004 (with Owens) was 9.6 - the SAME as in 2002 - it is NOT true that he "produces at a much higher level" with a playmaking WR. He has been extemely consistent at 9.6, 9.0, 9.6 and 10.1.

This was addressed in the other thread posted. If you don't think they had playmakers outside Westy in 2003 then your crazy. Westy was in a 3 RB split that year and had the lowest YPC out of the 3. As for his rookie year of 2002, would you say that 9 rec is really a viable sample size?Again, the point is that in 2003 Westy was not the focus of the Ds. This year he WILL be.

And he wasn't after Owens was suspended? Before Owens = 9.3 yds/rec (9.6 + 9.0)

During Owens = 10.7 (9.6 + 11.7 - 6 games w/ Owens)

After Owens = 9.0 (5 games post-Owens, 3 with no McNabb)

Bottom line averages:

With Owens = 10.7 ypc

Without Owens = 9.15 ypc

Not sure how you got your numbers, but these are the ones I got for last year:With TO:

5.57 rec, 60.42 yds, 10.88 ypc, 0.57 TDs per game

W/o TO:

4.40 rec, 38.80 yds, 8.81 ypc, 0.00 TDs per game

Even if you want to use 8.8 ypc, toss out 2002 and 2003, and ignore the lack of McNabb, how do you justify a ypc of 7.75 for 2006? By your own reasoning, won't a healthy/better O-line, a healthy McNabb returning and better WRs only INCREASE that 8.8???But for the record, this is how I got my 9.0 for the 5 games last year without Owens:

Wash. 13.8

Dal. 6.4

NY 14.3

GB 2.8

Sea. 7.6

Total of those are 8.98, so I rounded up to 9.0. But excluding the rounding of decimels each game, we get 22 rec for 193 yds = 8.8. So I will stick with the 8.8.

 

[zadok]

I initially had Westy's avg at around the 8.5 that those w/o TO numbers show. However, with the added talk of increased rushing by the Eagles and thanks to Snott pointing out that they may in fact not be as opposed to runing more. I altered them thinking that Moats would get the bulk of any extra carries.

That would go to less total receptions perhaps, but not yards PER reception.

 

[mbuehner]

Even if you want to use 8.8 ypc, toss out 2002 and 2003, and ignore the lack of McNabb, how do you justify a ypc of 7.75 for 2006? By your own reasoning, won't a healthy/better O-line, a healthy McNabb returning and better WRs only INCREASE that 8.8???

I can only speak for myself, but to answer the question it seems to me that the Eagles have less weapons now than they have ever had aside from the end of last year, McNabb doesnt run much anymore, the division is much improved, and every defense knows the Westbrook is the most dangerous reciever on the field. The long and the short of it for me is that this Eagles offense is more than just a few clicks away from being the high flying powerhouse they have been for the past 5 or more years. I think they will struggle in general in the passing game, and defenses will decide that if they can stop Westbrook running after the catch they can shut this offense down.Remember, statistics are not a leading indicator. They can tell you where you've been and possibly where you are, but the real question is where you are going. In my opinion the lack of firepower in this offense will precipitate a decline in the passing game.

 

[zadok]

I can only speak for myself, but to answer the question it seems to me that the Eagles have less weapons now than they have ever had aside from the end of last year

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

 

[mbuehner]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Thrash with the Eagles averaged 675y and 5 tds a yearReggie Brown went 571y and 4td

Jabar Gaffney's best season was 632y and 2 td

and Greg Lewis best year was 561y and 1 td

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

 

[zadok]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

That is your opinion. I do not share it.

 

[LTsharks]

I didn't point to Pinkston, just mentioned that you used him as a distraction to the debate. I agree with you about that, I don't care if he plays this year or not, it won't have much, if any, effect on Westbrook.

I don't think you followed it very well. Snott was the one who brought up Pinkston, not me. He picks out 3 games in which Pinkston did not play out of the 16 he did not play last year and I'm just supposed to know which of those 16 he was picking?

Sorry, after reading his threads and following them, it was pretty obvious to me he was talking about Westbrook's last 3 games before he got hurt when TO, Pinkston, McNabb, and most of the O-line wasn't playing. Of course Pinkston didn't play all year, he didn't really need to be mentioned but Snot chose to include him.

 

[jurb26]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

That is your opinion. I do not share it.

So basically what this boils down to is that you do not think that the Philly O will be hurt this year. mbuehner and I think it will suffer. I look at this O and see only one playmaker on the field, Westy. McNabb is not the runner he was before like mbuener said and posses less of a scheme threat now. Take away TO and this only compounds. DC will gear to stop Westy and unless another player steps up then I can't see how he is nearly as dynamic a playmaker as he has been the past 2 years. It's a difference of opinion, simple as that. The bottom line is that DCs and opposing teams would be fools to not make Westy the marked man as often as possible when facing Philly this year. Stats can not tell you this but it is something that is vital to projections IMO. If you think the coaching staff can overcome this and free him anyway, so be it.

 

[LTsharks]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Thrash with the Eagles averaged 675y and 5 tds a yearReggie Brown went 571y and 4td

Jabar Gaffney's best season was 632y and 2 td

and Greg Lewis best year was 561y and 1 td

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

I'm not sure how much you watched Thrash play with the Eagles, but I don't agree that Brown isn't better then him. Remember, Brown's stats you are quoting are really from 1/2 a season. Plus, as you said, stats like that aren't a leading indicator anyway.As for the rest, with Smith included and Westbrook on the field more, I feel that this group is more talented then the Thrash/Pinkston/Mitchell group we are comparing them to.

But that is your opinion, I just disagree.

 

[mbuehner]

As for the rest, with Smith included and Westbrook on the field more, I feel that this group is more talented then the Thrash/Pinkston/Mitchell group we are comparing them to.But that is your opinion, I just disagree.

I'm not saying they arent- im just saying they havent proved it yet. Thrash was a pretty good player, not great but he did what you asked him. Brown is the only question mark here, the other guys dont belong on the field.

 

[jerseys finest]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Thrash with the Eagles averaged 675y and 5 tds a yearReggie Brown went 571y and 4td

Jabar Gaffney's best season was 632y and 2 td

and Greg Lewis best year was 561y and 1 td

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

keep underrating the eagles.. yes thrash WITH THE EAGLES averaged those numbers, then he went to washington and has been terrible.. does that tell you something?

reggie brown went 571/4tds being forced into the #1 position in his rookie year, with mike "craptacular" mcmahon throwing him the ball.. has made strides in the offseason and has been training like a madman

jabar gaffney was consistent in houston, where the QB couldn't even get a 3-step drop in, and when the QB was able to throw, he mostly only had enough time to look to one receiver, being Andre Johnson most of the time.. second look was DD.. when there was enough time to throw it to gaffney, he caught it. He is going to FLOURISH in the Eagles system.

greg lewis showed he is a capable slot receiver.. he was forced into a starting position that he is not capable of playing.. being delegated to a situational receiver, he will be fine

if pinkston is healthy, he is the deep threat with the speed to keep defenses honest and if in single coverage, can beat a CB almost every time

LJ smith is healthy and is argueably entering his prime.. he has gotten better every year and he was putting up top 5 TE numbers with mcnabb in the first 6 games.. add Schobel, a big/fast receiving TE with good hands.

Add in the fact that their offensive line is bigger, healthier, younger and stronger then its ever been in front of mcnabb.

Moats is a home run threat, who impressed late last year and should build off of it this year

Perry/Tapeh/buckhalter(if healthy) are all capable of getting the short yardage and being the between the tackle runners..

Westbrook is argueably the best pass catching RB in the league, but he is hell-bent on proving that he is an all around running back.

Then there is Mcnabb. Who is finially FULLY healthy, working harder then he has in the past, slimmed down so he can be more mobile again.. (he is past the whole, "i can prove i am more then a running QB") he will utilize all of his abilities again, including his running ability.

The bottom line is that Eagles fans are over the bull#### that was "TO". Its just too bad the media and non-eagles fans can get past the fact that he's gone.. Yes, the eagles had a terrible season last year that all circled around Owens, but the reason it was such a bad season wasn't solely because of Owens, it was the 13 starters that missed more then 8 total games each and most ended up on IR by mid-season..

 

[Snotbubbles]

So basically what this boils down to is that you do not think that the Philly O will be hurt this year. mbuehner and I think it will suffer. I look at this O and see only one playmaker on the field, Westy. McNabb is not the runner he was before like mbuener said and posses less of a scheme threat now. Take away TO and this only compounds. DC will gear to stop Westy and unless another player steps up then I can't see how he is nearly as dynamic a playmaker as he has been the past 2 years. It's a difference of opinion, simple as that. The bottom line is that DCs and opposing teams would be fools to not make Westy the marked man as often as possible when facing Philly this year. Stats can not tell you this but it is something that is vital to projections IMO. If you think the coaching staff can overcome this and free him anyway, so be it.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just something for you to ponder (and the point I've been trying to make)...in the 3 game stretch with Mike McMahon at QB and Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen at WR who do you think the DC were keying on? LJ Smith? I don't think it was any of the WRs. More than likely it was Brian Westbrook. In that stretch Westbrook averaged 8.2 ypc (hint: more than you have projected).Even if McNabb, Tra Thomas, Pinkston, Fraley, Buckhalter don't come back for this year and the Eagles trotted out Jeff Garcia at QB with Jabbar Gaffney, Reggie Brown, and Greg Lewis the Eagles would be better off then they were during that three game stretch.I'm not saying you're wrong to lower Westbrooks ypc. I'm just saying you lowered it too much.

 

[jurb26]

So basically what this boils down to is that you do not think that the Philly O will be hurt this year. mbuehner and I think it will suffer. I look at this O and see only one playmaker on the field, Westy. McNabb is not the runner he was before like mbuener said and posses less of a scheme threat now. Take away TO and this only compounds. DC will gear to stop Westy and unless another player steps up then I can't see how he is nearly as dynamic a playmaker as he has been the past 2 years. It's a difference of opinion, simple as that. The bottom line is that DCs and opposing teams would be fools to not make Westy the marked man as often as possible when facing Philly this year. Stats can not tell you this but it is something that is vital to projections IMO. If you think the coaching staff can overcome this and free him anyway, so be it.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you. Just something for you to ponder (and the point I've been trying to make)...in the 3 game stretch with Mike McMahon at QB and Reggie Brown, Greg Lewis and Billy McMullen at WR who do you think the DC were keying on? LJ Smith? I don't think it was any of the WRs. More than likely it was Brian Westbrook. In that stretch Westbrook averaged 8.2 ypc (hint: more than you have projected).Even if McNabb, Tra Thomas, Pinkston, Fraley, Buckhalter don't come back for this year and the Eagles trotted out Jeff Garcia at QB with Jabbar Gaffney, Reggie Brown, and Greg Lewis the Eagles would be better off then they were during that three game stretch.

I'm not saying you're wrong to lower Westbrooks ypc. I'm just saying you lowered it too much.

It's possible I have. As I said before, I actually kept it up around 8.5 until you pointed out to me in the other thread that Philly may not be as opposed to running the ball more again in 06. I think that if they do run the ball more, those carries go to Westy and thus limit his involvment in the downfield passing game.

 

[mbuehner]

keep underrating the eagles..

yes thrash WITH THE EAGLES averaged those numbers, then he went to washington and has been terrible.. does that tell you something?

reggie brown went 571/4tds being forced into the #1 position in his rookie year, with mike "craptacular" mcmahon throwing him the ball.. has made strides in the offseason and has been training like a madman

jabar gaffney was consistent in houston, where the QB couldn't even get a 3-step drop in, and when the QB was able to throw, he mostly only had enough time to look to one receiver, being Andre Johnson most of the time.. second look was DD.. when there was enough time to throw it to gaffney, he caught it. He is going to FLOURISH in the Eagles system.

greg lewis showed he is a capable slot receiver.. he was forced into a starting position that he is not capable of playing.. being delegated to a situational receiver, he will be fine

if pinkston is healthy, he is the deep threat with the speed to keep defenses honest and if in single coverage, can beat a CB almost every time

LJ smith is healthy and is argueably entering his prime.. he has gotten better every year and he was putting up top 5 TE numbers with mcnabb in the first 6 games.. add Schobel, a big/fast receiving TE with good hands.

Add in the fact that their offensive line is bigger, healthier, younger and stronger then its ever been in front of mcnabb.

Moats is a home run threat, who impressed late last year and should build off of it this year

Perry/Tapeh/buckhalter(if healthy) are all capable of getting the short yardage and being the between the tackle runners..

Westbrook is argueably the best pass catching RB in the league, but he is hell-bent on proving that he is an all around running back.

Then there is Mcnabb. Who is finially FULLY healthy, working harder then he has in the past, slimmed down so he can be more mobile again.. (he is past the whole, "i can prove i am more then a running QB") he will utilize all of his abilities again, including his running ability.

The bottom line is that Eagles fans are over the bull#### that was "TO". Its just too bad the media and non-eagles fans can get past the fact that he's gone.. Yes, the eagles had a terrible season last year that all circled around Owens, but the reason it was such a bad season wasn't solely because of Owens, it was the 13 starters that missed more then 8 total games each and most ended up on IR by mid-season..

You're right. Todd Stinkston is Andre Rison, Greg Whois is Steve Largent, and Jabar Gaffney has been sandbaggin his whole career... he's about to make Jerry Rice look like Jerry Mathers. Oh, and Reggie Brown has been working out during the offseason. If only other NFL players would figure that one out!What was I thinking?! My projections are all askew. 1500 yards and 20 TDs for every Eagles offensive player including the center.

 

[jerseys finest]

You're right. Todd Stinkston is Andre Rison, Greg Whois is Steve Largent, and Jabar Gaffney has been sandbaggin his whole career... he's about to make Jerry Rice look like Jerry Mathers. Oh, and Reggie Brown has been working out during the offseason. If only other NFL players would figure that one out!

What was I thinking?! My projections are all askew. 1500 yards and 20 TDs for every Eagles offensive player including the center.

sarcasm tastes oh so sweet.. im not saying the eagles receivers are going to be near the top of the league.. far from it.. its a sub-par receiving unit.. But basically saying they are worse then pinkston-mitchell-thrash of the 2002/2003 season is terrible.. My post was to point out that besides the loss of TO, the eagles are basically better at every position on offense then they were in their 2002/2003 seasons, where they were very dominant. despite the division improving, so have the eagles.. The loss of one player (TO) overshadows everything else the eagles have done to improve their very successful offense of 2002/2003

Personally, i cant stand todd pinkston.. he gives up on plays, loses balls in the lights, gatorarms balls and is comin back from an injury that will most likely hinder his only attribute, his speed. if this rumored Ashley Lelie 3 way trade has the eagles getting lelie, i'd love it.

 

[jurb26]

Personally, i cant stand todd pinkston.. he gives up on plays, loses balls in the lights, gatorarms balls and is comin back from an injury that will most likely hinder his only attribute, his speed. if this rumored Ashley Lelie 3 way trade has the eagles getting lelie, i'd love it.

That would be nice.

 

[Polish Hammer]

I can't find this Player Spotlight up on the pages as finalized....am I missing something?

 

[renesauz]

Give me Brown, Gaffney and Lewis over Thrash, Pinkston and Mitchell ANY DAY. I think this is the best group of weapons (don't forget Smith and Schobel) McNabb has had in his career not named Owens.

Thrash with the Eagles averaged 675y and 5 tds a yearReggie Brown went 571y and 4td

Jabar Gaffney's best season was 632y and 2 td

and Greg Lewis best year was 561y and 1 td

Jimmy Thrash was no game breaker but he was a better WR than any of this group has so far proven to be and will almost certain remain so with the possible exception of Reggie Brown. When you WR is corp can be dubbed 'Sub-Thrash' you have a serious problem.

keep underrating the eagles.. yes thrash WITH THE EAGLES averaged those numbers, then he went to washington and has been terrible.. does that tell you something?

reggie brown went 571/4tds being forced into the #1 position in his rookie year, with mike "craptacular" mcmahon throwing him the ball.. has made strides in the offseason and has been training like a madman

jabar gaffney was consistent in houston, where the QB couldn't even get a 3-step drop in, and when the QB was able to throw, he mostly only had enough time to look to one receiver, being Andre Johnson most of the time.. second look was DD.. when there was enough time to throw it to gaffney, he caught it. He is going to FLOURISH in the Eagles system.

greg lewis showed he is a capable slot receiver.. he was forced into a starting position that he is not capable of playing.. being delegated to a situational receiver, he will be fine

if pinkston is healthy, he is the deep threat with the speed to keep defenses honest and if in single coverage, can beat a CB almost every time

LJ smith is healthy and is argueably entering his prime.. he has gotten better every year and he was putting up top 5 TE numbers with mcnabb in the first 6 games.. add Schobel, a big/fast receiving TE with good hands.

Add in the fact that their offensive line is bigger, healthier, younger and stronger then its ever been in front of mcnabb.

Moats is a home run threat, who impressed late last year and should build off of it this year

Perry/Tapeh/buckhalter(if healthy) are all capable of getting the short yardage and being the between the tackle runners..

Westbrook is argueably the best pass catching RB in the league, but he is hell-bent on proving that he is an all around running back.

Then there is Mcnabb. Who is finially FULLY healthy, working harder then he has in the past, slimmed down so he can be more mobile again.. (he is past the whole, "i can prove i am more then a running QB") he will utilize all of his abilities again, including his running ability.

The bottom line is that Eagles fans are over the bull#### that was "TO". Its just too bad the media and non-eagles fans can get past the fact that he's gone.. Yes, the eagles had a terrible season last year that all circled around Owens, but the reason it was such a bad season wasn't solely because of Owens, it was the 13 starters that missed more then 8 total games each and most ended up on IR by mid-season..

My points exactly. Exactly how good these recievers are can be debated, and will have to be settle on the field, but the DEPTH of these recievers can't be debated. Philly has starting experiance in their top four, and most teams would be hard pressed to put a starting caliber CB up against another teams #4 wideout. The point is, whether these weapons are studs or not doesn't matter...there are a TON of weapons, including two very good pass cathing TE's and a second RB with the ability to explode...teams will not have the luxury of keying on any individual, including Westy.This offense overall is better then any Philly has had in the last 6 years, and will be more then fine.