Player Spotlight: Brian Westbrook (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Brian Westbrook, RB, Philadelphia Eagles

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[Tanner9919]

he might have had his best season last year, not sure he'll repeat those numbers again.

obviously has tremendous value in PPR leagues, but the injury bug lingers..

252/1184/6 , 4.8 per rush

70/602/4, 8.6 per rec.

fully expecting him to miss 1-3 games ...don't like predicting injuries, but with this guy, it comes with the territory.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

He's missed two starts in the last 32 regular season games. That territory no longer exsists in my book.

he might have had his best season last year, not sure he'll repeat those numbers again.obviously has tremendous value in PPR leagues, but the injury bug lingers..252/1184/6 , 4.8 per rush70/602/4, 8.6 per rec.fully expecting him to miss 1-3 games ...don't like predicting injuries, but with this guy, it comes with the territory.

 

[a_troll00]

Definitely an elite RB in this league. The only concern is the Eagles repeatedly proclaiming they want to limit his touches. Nonetheless, I don't really see where the other touches are really going to go.

250/1250/7 rushing 75/700/5 receiving

 

[Wu-banger]

He's missed two starts in the last 32 regular season games. That territory no longer exsists in my book.

he might have had his best season last year, not sure he'll repeat those numbers again.obviously has tremendous value in PPR leagues, but the injury bug lingers..252/1184/6 , 4.8 per rush70/602/4, 8.6 per rec.fully expecting him to miss 1-3 games ...don't like predicting injuries, but with this guy, it comes with the territory.

Shhhhhhhhhh .......The Westy injury history is one of the myths that I enjoy capatlizing on in redraft leagues.... grabbed Westy in the later quater of the 1st rd in many drafts last year.

 

[David Yudkin]

The only concern is the Eagles repeatedly proclaiming they want to limit his touches. Nonetheless, I don't really see where the other touches are really going to go.

We've heard teams say this a lot over the years . . . have we ever seen such a plan actually implemented? And if so, which team and player(s)? (Not directed at you, more directed at the rest of the universe.)

 

[Chairshot]

I don't expect him to miss many games really. I do expect him to always be listed on the injury report, which is a head ache that some owners don't like dealing with. He always seems to play, though.

Personally, I don't think the injury thing is a big deal. I expect a big year out of him and I personally think he is the second best RB on the board in PPR after LT2. The Eagles have no one else to turn to for offense but Westbrook. The last 2 years he has pretty much pushed himself into elite status and I'd be happy to have him as my first RB in any format.

My projection (and I feel I might even be a little conservative here): 250 carries, 1200 yards, 8 TDs, 85 catches, 800 receiving yards, 6 TDs

It wouldn't surprise me at all if his carries were in the 275 range, his rushing yards in the 1300-1400 range and his rushing TDs in the double digits. Two thousand yards from scrimmage seems more then possible, it seems likely.

 

[unckeyherb]

While I am a homer, I will say this: You can make an argument that this guy is the best in the league. He has proven to be a guy that can carry the load (everyone used to say he couldn't do that.) run between the tackles (everyone used to say he couldn't do that), He plays every game through injuries (everyone used to say he couldn't do that). He is in a PPR RB's dream situation in that he's

a. A great pass catching RB that is a receiving threat in the RZ

b. has a great rapport with Donovan.

c. has mediocre to average at best WR's that can't get open/Donovan doesn't trust 100% yet, which means a lot of dump offs to the RB.

d. has a head coach that will force him the ball through the air enough to make 90+ receptions a given.

I watch every game so I've seen him develop. The guy flat out makes defenders look ridiculous. There are very few RB's that make the first defender miss every time, and he is one of them. I'm not talking about breaking tackles (which he also does) but I mean makes LB's miss completely.

The best part about the little guy is that there is STILL a majority of FFer's out there that tag him with one or many of the above "downsides" i.e. He's injury prone. This makes him drop in every single draft, every single year. I saw guys last year taking LJ, Bush, SA !?! over Westy

and laughed. Picked him up with the ninth pick. I'd wager that once again in some drafts he'll not get the respect he deserves and drops to a point of insane value.

He finished with 2,100 yds, 90 rec's, and 12 TD's last year. This year he has a healthy QB and a healthy offensive line.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

300/1450/9 rushing

85/750/6 receiving

 

[The Jacket]

I like Westbrook, but there is NO argument that he's the best RB in the leauge. None whatsoever. LT has him covered in every department. It's just not close, frankly.

Prediction: 240 carries, 1150 yards, 6 TD; 75 catches, 675 yards, 4 TD.

 

[flranger]

I like Westbrook, but there is NO argument that he's the best RB in the leauge. None whatsoever. LT has him covered in every department. It's just not close, frankly. Prediction: 240 carries, 1150 yards, 6 TD; 75 catches, 675 yards, 4 TD.

I think you meant to say you have no argument, not that there is no argument.I've had him 3 of last 4 years.......last year he was dominating. I also had LT the last 2 years and Sunday Ticket. I watched almost every game of both of them since they were often on at different times.If you watch the games as much as I do, I think you would be hard pressed to say that Westbrook didn't look like the better running back last year. Not just a receiving option, but as an overall back. Frankly, he was flat out explosive. LT rarely looked explosive last year to me, but still got the job done based on the overall quality of the team.I'd bet this: PPR this year Westy outscores L.T....... 280 / 1400 / 982 / 800 / 5#1 RB for 2008.

 

[rzrback77]

Brian Westbrook is too small to run up the middle. He is an injury risk. He can't carry the load. He plays on a pass first run later offense. The Eagles got Lorenzo Booker and kept their big backs to lighten his load. For so many reasons, he falls farther in drafts than he should. But let's look at the recent years to see if these concerns hold water.

03 - 15 gms 117 rushes 613 yds 5.2 ypc 47 targ 37 rec 79% 332 yds 9.0 ypc 11 TDS RB20

04 - 13 gms 177 rushes 812 yds 4.6 ypc 86 targ 73 rec 85% 703 yds 9.6 ypc 9 TDS RB10

05 - 12 gms 156 rushes 617 yds 4.0 ypc 96 targ 61 rec 64% 616 yds 10.1 ypc 7 TDS RB18

06 - 15 gms 240 rushes 1217 yds 5.1 ypc 109 targ 77 rec 71% 699 yds 9.1 ypc 11 TDS RB6

07 - 15 gms 278 rushes 1333 yds 4.8 ypc 120 targ 90 rec 75% 771 yds 8.6 ypc 12 TDS RB2

He has increased his carries every year, except 05 when he only played twelve games. His ypc remains high (actually increased) with his increased number of carries. He has also shown a steady increase in his RB ranking (except 05). His reception percentage is outstanding and he also achieves fairly high ypc on receptions, even being one of the top targeted running backs in the NFL. I see an outstanding performer that has gotten better as he has aged and been used more. Philly may reduce his carries from last year's peak, but he will still get 15 rushes and around four receptions per game. He may not be the carry leader, but he makes the most of his opportunities.

Brian Westbrook 240 carries 1200 yards 5.0 ypc 110 targ 80 rec 73% 720 yds 9.0 ypc & 12 TDs

 

[SSOG]

I like Westbrook, but there is NO argument that he's the best RB in the leauge. None whatsoever. LT has him covered in every department. It's just not close, frankly.

Sure there's an argument. There are several. Allow me to make them.Argument #1- team needs. Westbrook is clearly the better receiver (not that Tomlinson is bad, just that Westy is that good), so if you've got an offense like the Greatest Show on Turf, you'd lean towards Westbrook.Argument #2- Outside of the TDs, Westbrook has produced very comparable stats to Tomlinson despite worse supporting cast. Tomlinson's O-line is miles better than Westy's at run blocking. Tomlinson's receivers draw more of the opponent's focus than Westbrook's.Argument #3- DVOA and DPAR. Advantage: Westbrook.Tomlinson's red zone ability is unreal, and that leads people to believe that the difference between the two backs is greater than it really is. Don't make that mistake. Choosing between Tomlinson and Westbrook is nothing more than splitting hairs.

 

[unckeyherb]

I like Westbrook, but there is NO argument that he's the best RB in the leauge. None whatsoever. LT has him covered in every department. It's just not close, frankly. Prediction: 240 carries, 1150 yards, 6 TD; 75 catches, 675 yards, 4 TD.

I don't think you can say NO argument. Over the span of their careers? Sure, LT has produced better numbers. But frankly, I don't care about that. SA did some amazing things three years ago, and he doesn't even have a team anymore. Recent stats is what I care about. And based on that, you can't say LT has him covered in anything other than TD's. Westy beat him in total yards and receptions last year.LT only rushed for 140 more yards (on 40 more carries) and received for nearly 300 yards less (while getting 30 fewer recpetions.) The Eagles offense and more to the point, their RZ offense was atrocious last year. Donovan litearally had no targets, apart from Westbrook and opposing defenses knew it. Westbrook still managed to put up only 6 TD's less than LT. Agree to disagree, but last year's numbers, IMO, speak volumes that there is a damn good argument that Westbrook is the better RB coming into the 2008 season.

 

[Chairshot]

I don't think you can say NO argument. Over the span of their careers? Sure, LT has produced better numbers. But frankly, I don't care about that. SA did some amazing things three years ago, and he doesn't even have a team anymore. Recent stats is what I care about. And based on that, you can't say LT has him covered in anything other than TD's. Westy beat him in total yards and receptions last year.

LT only rushed for 140 more yards (on 40 more carries) and received for nearly 300 yards less (while getting 30 fewer recpetions.) The Eagles offense and more to the point, their RZ offense was atrocious last year. Donovan litearally had no targets, apart from Westbrook and opposing defenses knew it. Westbrook still managed to put up only 6 TD's less than LT.

Agree to disagree, but last year's numbers, IMO, speak volumes that there is a damn good argument that Westbrook is the better RB coming into the 2008 season.

And if I remember right, it should have been only 5 TDs less then LT2. Didn't Westbrook lay down on the one yard line late in one game because it was the smartest move in regard to time management?Small point, I'm just saying.

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't think you can say NO argument. Over the span of their careers? Sure, LT has produced better numbers. But frankly, I don't care about that. SA did some amazing things three years ago, and he doesn't even have a team anymore. Recent stats is what I care about. And based on that, you can't say LT has him covered in anything other than TD's. Westy beat him in total yards and receptions last year.

LT only rushed for 140 more yards (on 40 more carries) and received for nearly 300 yards less (while getting 30 fewer recpetions.) The Eagles offense and more to the point, their RZ offense was atrocious last year. Donovan litearally had no targets, apart from Westbrook and opposing defenses knew it. Westbrook still managed to put up only 6 TD's less than LT.

Agree to disagree, but last year's numbers, IMO, speak volumes that there is a damn good argument that Westbrook is the better RB coming into the 2008 season.

And if I remember right, it should have been only 5 TDs less then LT2. Didn't Westbrook lay down on the one yard line late in on game because it was the smartest move in regard to time management?Small point, I'm just saying.

you are correct sir. probably one of the only RBs in the league that would sacrifice personal stats for the good of the team. But, I digress..

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Westbrook used to have a knock against him that he could easily get dinged and missed time. Although it's true that he has never played 16 games in a regular season, he's always played in at least 12 or more and outside of his rookie season, he's always finished in the top 20.

Brian Westbrook is now considered an elite running back in fantasy football. He isn't a traditional stud where he's going to threaten to rush for 2000 yards or run in 25 td's. Instead, he's the focal point of an entire offense and is used heavily in the run game and passing game. In leagues where you get points per receptions, Westbrook must be considered a top 3 selection.

1250 yards and 7 td's 84 receptions, 750 yards and 5 td's

 

[Jon_Moore]

He's always questionable or a game time decision, but he almost always comes to play, only having missed 2 games the last 2 years. He's one of the best backs in the NFL, and easily one of the best in fantasy. The Eagles offense begins and ends with this guy.

In 2005, he tied LJ Smith for the team lead in Receptions

In 2006 and 2007, he led the team in Receptions

In 2004, he finished 4 catches behind Terrell Owens.

They like to throw the ball to him, and now they've shown a willingness to hand it to him. Andy Reid finally said they would stop worrying about limiting his touches, which could be a dream come true if he ever hits 35 touches, or it could be a total disaster if he ends up injured.

He's always shown to be that bolt of lighting guy that can make everyone miss and take it the distance, and the last few years he's really shownd that toughness between the tackles.

The receivers aren't anything special, and McNabb may not scare anyone, but a year removed from the injury, he should be improved and the drafting of Desean Jackson...all of these should make the passing game better than it was last year. God knows defenses keyed on Westbrook last year, so the fact they'll do it this year shouldn't concern anyone.

Projecting 16 games...if he misses time it happens

298 Rushes

1460 Yards

8 TDs

78 Receptions

686 Yards

6 TDs

2146 Total Yards

14 Total TDs

 

[Ripleys]

call me crazy, but i just turned down an offer for Westy for Lynch offer in a PPR dynasty. Westy's age is my biggest concern....

 

[westbrook36]

I have watched every game of Brian Westbrook's NFL career. He is not only capable of running up the middle, he is great at it. He can carry the load, and did so last year. He is no more an injury risk than any other RB.

Brian Westbrook is too small to run up the middle. He is an injury risk. He can't carry the load. He plays on a pass first run later offense. The Eagles got Lorenzo Booker and kept their big backs to lighten his load. For so many reasons, he falls farther in drafts than he should. But let's look at the recent years to see if these concerns hold water.03 - 15 gms 117 rushes 613 yds 5.2 ypc 47 targ 37 rec 79% 332 yds 9.0 ypc 11 TDS RB2004 - 13 gms 177 rushes 812 yds 4.6 ypc 86 targ 73 rec 85% 703 yds 9.6 ypc 9 TDS RB1005 - 12 gms 156 rushes 617 yds 4.0 ypc 96 targ 61 rec 64% 616 yds 10.1 ypc 7 TDS RB1806 - 15 gms 240 rushes 1217 yds 5.1 ypc 109 targ 77 rec 71% 699 yds 9.1 ypc 11 TDS RB607 - 15 gms 278 rushes 1333 yds 4.8 ypc 120 targ 90 rec 75% 771 yds 8.6 ypc 12 TDS RB2He has increased his carries every year, except 05 when he only played twelve games. His ypc remains high (actually increased) with his increased number of carries. He has also shown a steady increase in his RB ranking (except 05). His reception percentage is outstanding and he also achieves fairly high ypc on receptions, even being one of the top targeted running backs in the NFL. I see an outstanding performer that has gotten better as he has aged and been used more. Philly may reduce his carries from last year's peak, but he will still get 15 rushes and around four receptions per game. He may not be the carry leader, but he makes the most of his opportunities.Brian Westbrook 240 carries 1200 yards 5.0 ypc 110 targ 80 rec 73% 720 yds 9.0 ypc & 12 TDs

 

[Jon_Moore]

Brian Westbrook is too small to run up the middle. He is an injury risk. He can't carry the load. He plays on a pass first run later offense. The Eagles got Lorenzo Booker and kept their big backs to lighten his load. For so many reasons, he falls farther in drafts than he should. But let's look at the recent years to see if these concerns hold water.

03 - 15 gms 117 rushes 613 yds 5.2 ypc 47 targ 37 rec 79% 332 yds 9.0 ypc 11 TDS RB20

04 - 13 gms 177 rushes 812 yds 4.6 ypc 86 targ 73 rec 85% 703 yds 9.6 ypc 9 TDS RB10

05 - 12 gms 156 rushes 617 yds 4.0 ypc 96 targ 61 rec 64% 616 yds 10.1 ypc 7 TDS RB18

06 - 15 gms 240 rushes 1217 yds 5.1 ypc 109 targ 77 rec 71% 699 yds 9.1 ypc 11 TDS RB6

07 - 15 gms 278 rushes 1333 yds 4.8 ypc 120 targ 90 rec 75% 771 yds 8.6 ypc 12 TDS RB2

He has increased his carries every year, except 05 when he only played twelve games. His ypc remains high (actually increased) with his increased number of carries. He has also shown a steady increase in his RB ranking (except 05). His reception percentage is outstanding and he also achieves fairly high ypc on receptions, even being one of the top targeted running backs in the NFL. I see an outstanding performer that has gotten better as he has aged and been used more. Philly may reduce his carries from last year's peak, but he will still get 15 rushes and around four receptions per game. He may not be the carry leader, but he makes the most of his opportunities.

Brian Westbrook 240 carries 1200 yards 5.0 ypc 110 targ 80 rec 73% 720 yds 9.0 ypc & 12 TDs

I like the satire. There's always a running back that's going to take goal line carries or 3rd down duties or something from him, but he keeps on improving his fantasy output.

 

[The Jacket]

I'll rephrase: there's NO argument that Westbrook is a better RB than LT ... unless you're the type that changes your rankings every single year.

Sure, you weigh career vs. most recent production, but this isn't Westbrook vs. Shaun Alexander, who was great a couple years ago (and only great because of his O-line). LT's been the best in the business for years, and he was right there last year. Westbrook didn't do nearly enough more than LT to be considered the better back right now. Not nearly. He would've had to go for 1800 yards on the ground with at least twice as many TDs (just 14).

If it's 100% career, it's LT. If it's 50% career, 50% last year, it's LT. If it's 100% last year, it's Adrian Peterson.

 

[vandyt]

He's missed two starts in the last 32 regular season games. That territory no longer exsists in my book.

he might have had his best season last year, not sure he'll repeat those numbers again.obviously has tremendous value in PPR leagues, but the injury bug lingers..252/1184/6 , 4.8 per rush70/602/4, 8.6 per rec.fully expecting him to miss 1-3 games ...don't like predicting injuries, but with this guy, it comes with the territory.

Shhhhhhhhhh .......The Westy injury history is one of the myths that I enjoy capatlizing on in redraft leagues.... grabbed Westy in the later quater of the 1st rd in many drafts last year.

If you owned him in 2006, and had a 1PM Est deadline to make roster decisions, you quickly learned that "games missed" by Westy has a very low correlation to the number of games he actually started for your FF team.He looks to be over that knee injury though.

 

[Jon_Moore]

He's missed two starts in the last 32 regular season games. That territory no longer exsists in my book.

he might have had his best season last year, not sure he'll repeat those numbers again.obviously has tremendous value in PPR leagues, but the injury bug lingers..252/1184/6 , 4.8 per rush70/602/4, 8.6 per rec.fully expecting him to miss 1-3 games ...don't like predicting injuries, but with this guy, it comes with the territory.

Shhhhhhhhhh .......The Westy injury history is one of the myths that I enjoy capatlizing on in redraft leagues.... grabbed Westy in the later quater of the 1st rd in many drafts last year.

If you owned him in 2006, and had a 1PM Est deadline to make roster decisions, you quickly learned that "games missed" by Westy has a very low correlation to the number of games he actually started for your FF team.He looks to be over that knee injury though.

He started 15 for me that year...

 

[SSOG]

I'll rephrase: there's NO argument that Westbrook is a better RB than LT ... unless you're the type that changes your rankings every single year.

Sure, you weigh career vs. most recent production, but this isn't Westbrook vs. Shaun Alexander, who was great a couple years ago (and only great because of his O-line). LT's been the best in the business for years, and he was right there last year. Westbrook didn't do nearly enough more than LT to be considered the better back right now. Not nearly. He would've had to go for 1800 yards on the ground with at least twice as many TDs (just 14).

If it's 100% career, it's LT. If it's 50% career, 50% last year, it's LT. If it's 100% last year, it's Adrian Peterson.

I'm talking talent, not numbers. Do I think Westbrook is a better back than Tomlinson? I think the two are so close in terms of talent that saying there's NO WAY to argue one over the other is very silly.There's this big tendency around here to exaggerate all differences beyond all reason. Everything's gotta be the best, the worst, the most, the least, no contest, no hesitation, no argument. Sometimes it's okay for something to not be the slightest bit superlative.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think you can say NO argument. Over the span of their careers? Sure, LT has produced better numbers. But frankly, I don't care about that. SA did some amazing things three years ago, and he doesn't even have a team anymore. Recent stats is what I care about. And based on that, you can't say LT has him covered in anything other than TD's. Westy beat him in total yards and receptions last year.

LT only rushed for 140 more yards (on 40 more carries) and received for nearly 300 yards less (while getting 30 fewer recpetions.) The Eagles offense and more to the point, their RZ offense was atrocious last year. Donovan litearally had no targets, apart from Westbrook and opposing defenses knew it. Westbrook still managed to put up only 6 TD's less than LT.

Agree to disagree, but last year's numbers, IMO, speak volumes that there is a damn good argument that Westbrook is the better RB coming into the 2008 season.

And if I remember right, it should have been only 5 TDs less then LT2. Didn't Westbrook lay down on the one yard line late in on game because it was the smartest move in regard to time management?Small point, I'm just saying.

you are correct sir. probably one of the only RBs in the league that would sacrifice personal stats for the good of the team. But, I digress..

I read somewhere that Runyan very strenously urged Westy to do that.

 

[The Jacket]

I'm talking talent, not numbers. Do I think Westbrook is a better back than Tomlinson? I think the two are so close in terms of talent that saying there's NO WAY to argue one over the other is very silly.There's this big tendency around here to exaggerate all differences beyond all reason. Everything's gotta be the best, the worst, the most, the least, no contest, no hesitation, no argument. Sometimes it's okay for something to not be the slightest bit superlative.

Sometimes things aren't particularly close. Talent? LT blows him away. Power, speed, quickness, agility, vision ... there's no contest there, either.This argument would make a lot more sense if we were talking about Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson.

 

[gopherII]

In FF you want guys on your team that are the centerpiece of their team's offense, period. Brian Westbrook fits that profile perfectly. He should be chosen in the top 5 in virtually every scoring system.

275/1300/8 Rushing

80/750/5 Receiving

 

[moderated]

When healthy he is a complete animal and the centerpiece of the offense. He can do everything (Faulk part II)

280/1344/7 Rushing

85/760/6 Receiving

I would take him #2 behind LT in a re-draft.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I'm talking talent, not numbers. Do I think Westbrook is a better back than Tomlinson? I think the two are so close in terms of talent that saying there's NO WAY to argue one over the other is very silly.There's this big tendency around here to exaggerate all differences beyond all reason. Everything's gotta be the best, the worst, the most, the least, no contest, no hesitation, no argument. Sometimes it's okay for something to not be the slightest bit superlative.

Sometimes things aren't particularly close. Talent? LT blows him away. Power, speed, quickness, agility, vision ... there's no contest there, either.This argument would make a lot more sense if we were talking about Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson.

"No contest" on quickness, agility and vision? Have you ever seen Westbrook play?

 

[unckeyherb]

I'm talking talent, not numbers. Do I think Westbrook is a better back than Tomlinson? I think the two are so close in terms of talent that saying there's NO WAY to argue one over the other is very silly.There's this big tendency around here to exaggerate all differences beyond all reason. Everything's gotta be the best, the worst, the most, the least, no contest, no hesitation, no argument. Sometimes it's okay for something to not be the slightest bit superlative.

Sometimes things aren't particularly close. Talent? LT blows him away. Power, speed, quickness, agility, vision ... there's no contest there, either.This argument would make a lot more sense if we were talking about Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree, but frankly to say that LT simply has better quickness, agility or vision than Westbrook is comical to me. To say he blows him away is ridiculous. And your statement at the end there implies that not only do you think LT blows away Westbrook in all facets of talent/ability, but that you think SJax and Adrian Peterson are better as well? I'll hold off on ADP till he consistently produces for one full year in the NFL. SJax? come on. He's finished in the top ten once in hes career, Westy has finished top ten 3 of the last 4 years. Potential is not production.