puckalicious
Footballguy
So Wells has gone from 235 at the combine, to 247 a few months later, to 229 in July. Should we be worried about how much his weight fluctuates?
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Player Spotlight: Chris "Beanie" Wells (1 Viewer)
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mikel0254
Footballguy
Didn't know he was 235 at the combine... Sounds more like LenDale White with the fluctuations
jurb26
Footballguy
Really? Why is that? It's not like 225 is small. Running at the GL isn't primarily about size. Sure that is a contributing factor, but many others are more important. I don't see this a hurting his chances at the GL, but it could be a good thing for his conditioning and injury risk. Not too mention his break away speed, which has been questioned.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Tim Hightower is listed at 6'0", 216 pounds in case anyone was wondering.
Chris Wells is listed at 237 pounds for the Buckeyes and that's what I've always remembered, maybe this is common for a guy to put on an extra 10 pounds during the offseason, 10 pounds doesn't seem like really that much to me.
Chris Wells is listed at 237 pounds for the Buckeyes and that's what I've always remembered, maybe this is common for a guy to put on an extra 10 pounds during the offseason, 10 pounds doesn't seem like really that much to me.
massraider
Footballguy
In a non-PPR, beanie is a bit more valuable to me. I think he gets most of the carries, by far. I am amazed anyone is worried about Hightower taking any of his carries.
280 carries, 1080 yards, 8 TDs. 20 receptions, 88 yards, 1 TD.
280 carries, 1080 yards, 8 TDs. 20 receptions, 88 yards, 1 TD.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
how exactly?
RudeDog
Footballguy
Just a feeling I get when I watch him. He much bigger, but for some reason he looks like Emmitt when he runs to me.There's nothing "exact" about feelings... they just exist.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
The tone and dialogue of this thread is fascinating. People are totally split on this guy. There is a real debate as to if he will unseat Hightower, if he will flourish, if he has the tools. It's fascinating. I don't remember in recent years such a dynamic where people are totally across the board in disagreement about a guy.
For what it's worth...I think he will be great, 270 touches....1250 yards, 8 TD's......30 catches, 2 tds
For what it's worth...I think he will be great, 270 touches....1250 yards, 8 TD's......30 catches, 2 tds
Blackjacks
Footballguy
That's cool, I was just asking cause I don't see it at all. I like Wells's potential but unfortunetly if you ask me who he reminds me of I'd say William Green.Some character flaws, questionable work ethic, great size and speed combination and a great stiff arm.
Let's hope "Beannie's" girlfriend likes him more than Willie's did and doesn't decide to stab him.
Looks like Beanie is working hard. If his playing weight is in the low 220's that makes him devastating. With the Cardinals passing attack and the way they were able to run the ball at the end of the year and the added depth they now have on the O-line, I see Beanie having a tremendous rookie season. Now a days people are using the Cardinals philosophy of passing to set up the run more and more. The old school power running teams are becoming scarce. All the RBBC schemes teams are now using is going to limit RB production everywhere. Thats what I see with Beanie. He'll break off a few 40+yd runs this season and he'll get about 8-12 carries a game max. Sharing carries with Hightower and maybe some Larod Stephens-Howling. He has to prove he can catch the ball. We'll see when he gets to training camp at the end of the month.
Beanies production this year: 600yds rushing 4tds + 200yds recieving
Hightower will have about the same stats but will have 8tds
Beanies production this year: 600yds rushing 4tds + 200yds recieving
Hightower will have about the same stats but will have 8tds
He's going to have 200 yards rec, but just 600 rush? I think if he plays 16 games, 800 yards is his floor.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Reggie Bush?
mikel0254
Footballguy
Hightower, for as inefficient as a regular RB last year, was pretty efficient as a GL back last year. Beanie will have to show he is MORE efficient to unseat Hightower as the GL back. IMO - losing 22 lbs doesn't help his chances on being more efficient at the goal line. Those who are posting in favor of Beanie are acting like Hightower won't have a role in this offense, and I disagree with thatI actually love the fact that Beanie is losing some weight and I think he's in for a monster year (I've stated in other posts I think he's a guy that can win you the championship this year - especially with his week 14, 15, and 16 schedule). The weight loss should help his all round game, and I think people are underestimating him in the passing game just b/c Ohio State didn't use him in theirs
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Hightower did do well at the goaline last year (61.5% converted to TDs on 13 attempts), but there is some interesting data to go along with it.
-Edge, traditionally a very poor goaline runner (his ineptitude at the goaline is what led to Peyton's record breaking season), scored on 60% of his goaline rushes last year (granted on a small 5 rush sample size, but we're dealing with all small sample sizes here). So maybe it was just the way the Cards can still spread you out at the goaline that attributed to Hightower's good numbers.
Here are Edge's goaline scoring percentages in the year's leading up to last:
32%
44%
28%
21%
36%
20%
Among some of the worst in the league each year amongst starting RBs.
-It's also worth noting that there are several other guys that were extremely productive at the goaline last year that aren't immediately foreseen as goaline backs somewhere (Deuce at 63% and Sammy Morris at 85%), so it may not be that that's all that coaches look at.
-Edge, traditionally a very poor goaline runner (his ineptitude at the goaline is what led to Peyton's record breaking season), scored on 60% of his goaline rushes last year (granted on a small 5 rush sample size, but we're dealing with all small sample sizes here). So maybe it was just the way the Cards can still spread you out at the goaline that attributed to Hightower's good numbers.
Here are Edge's goaline scoring percentages in the year's leading up to last:
32%
44%
28%
21%
36%
20%
Among some of the worst in the league each year amongst starting RBs.
-It's also worth noting that there are several other guys that were extremely productive at the goaline last year that aren't immediately foreseen as goaline backs somewhere (Deuce at 63% and Sammy Morris at 85%), so it may not be that that's all that coaches look at.
switz
Footballguy
Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
greggorymac
Footballguy
I agree. I think people are so fragmented on their opinions off Beanie because IMHO he is a back you draft on situation and not on talent, and rookie backs that don't have the unquestioned talent you will get disagreement on. I'm not saying Beanie is a slouch but he reminds me of Joseph Addai... not as a player but his situation. Nobody really loves Addai for his talent but they daft him for this situation he is in as a RB in a highly prolific offense. Much like Indy, Arizona can move the chains and get down in the red zone often which increases the opportunity for their RBs to score.Conversely, I think this is the same reason people are split on Moreno. Instead in the Moreno situation, the majority are sold on his talent.... people just don't like the situation he is in because of the questions on their offense this coming season.
Day Drinker
Footballguy
I disagree. I think Beanie is an extreme talent and went to a terrible situation for a RB. And if not terrible, it certainly has a whole lot of "unknowns" that are causing the uncertaintly over Beanie's value. That is why I am somewhat hesitant to pull the trigger on Beanie when on the clock. But I really think the Cards defense will play better this year, which will allow for a more controlled ground game with Beanie and not so many fiull game airial assaults. Time will tell.And I think Moreno is both talented and in a good situation, so I will have no hesitation taking him on draft day.
greggorymac
Footballguy
When I say 'situation' I was referring to going into a high powered offense. I don't think there are many greater situations than Arizona. With the current personnel and Arizona offense, no an AZ RB isn't going to win the NFC rushing title or lead the conference in carries, but you can pencil that RB in for 10TDs with relative certainty (because there are so many red zone opportunities). If you're concerned that Hightower might take away some of those GL opportunities, well then that speaks to Wells' talent.In terms of the Denver offense this season, I am deathly afraid of their situation. Still no defense and a severe downgrade at QB. You're about to see a monumental collapse with that organization. Not to say RBs can't perform on bad teams, but I am leery.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
Day Drinker
Footballguy
Fair enough, and good point. I agree and think Beanie is way more talented than Hightower and should get at least 8 TDs this year.greggorymac said:
Yes a downgrade at QB, but Orton isn't comletely incapable of running a good offense. They still have a good O-line, GREAT WRs, the #1 rookie RB, and an offensive minded coach in McDaniels. I'm not quite as leery about Denver's offense as most, but that is for another thread.greggorymac said:
Day Drinker
Footballguy
You are not off base if you feel that teams do not have the ability to improve and develop as they gain experience, especially playoff experience. But you are correct, according to the stats of 2007 and 2008, they are a .500 team in a weak division, there is no arguing that.Looking at talent on the field, I would say they are a REALLY good team in a mediocre division. But it is the Cards, and as a fan, I want to see them take that step forward this year, not backwards.David Yudkin said:2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?switz said:Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If I had to take any early guess . . .Sun 9/13 San Francisco 4:15 pm WSun 9/20 at Jacksonville 1:00 pm LSun 9/27 Indianapolis 8:20 pm LBye Sun 10/11 Houston 4:15 pm WSun 10/18 at Seattle 4:05 pm WSun 10/25 at NY Giants 8:20 pm LSun 11/1 Carolina 4:15 pm LSun 11/8 at Chicago 1:00 pm LSun 11/15 Seattle 4:15 pm WSun 11/22 at St. Louis 4:05 pm WSun 11/29 at Tennessee 1:00 pm LSun 12/6 Minnesota 4:15 pm LMon 12/14 at San Francisco 8:30 pm LSun 12/20 at Detroit 1:00 pm WSun 12/27 St. Louis 4:05 pm WSun 1/3 Green Bay 4:15 pm W8-8 on the season. I hope I'm wrong, as I am a fan of their brand of football. I just think that they are not a top tier team yet. Maybe they will show more across the entire season this year.You are not off base if you feel that teams do not have the ability to improve and develop as they gain experience, especially playoff experience. But you are correct, according to the stats of 2007 and 2008, they are a .500 team in a weak division, there is no arguing that.Looking at talent on the field, I would say they are a REALLY good team in a mediocre division. But it is the Cards, and as a fan, I want to see them take that step forward this year, not backwards.David Yudkin said:2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?switz said:Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Wells' pass blocking (or lack thereof) is what scares me about him. If the Cards can get a big lead and kill the clock, he could really put up good numbers, but I don't have a lot of faith in the Arizona defense. I look for him to have 1 or 2 weeks where he explodes (maybe 150+ and 2 TD), but then has some real 8-24-0 stinkers if the Cardinals fall behind early.
850 yards, 7 TDs
850 yards, 7 TDs
Hendo
Footballguy
Many scouts, draft guru's and pundits alike all universally agreed as Beanie having the top talent at RB this year. Their main concern was his injured past... in fact people were talking him up as a top 5 pick this past year till injuries hit again. So i doubt its his talent and more so the injured past and how the histroy points to Arizona not much of a running team the past decade.greggorymac said:
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
WOW- I guess you missed the playoffs last year. Funny how you choose not to include the most recent/and important games of last year. I suppose instead of seeing DRC Fitz and the O-line progressing you will just ignore what they did in the playoffs all together. I have zero doubt you predicted a Falcon win then a Carolina Win and musta said no way they beat the Eagles...Maybe they just assumed it was the Cardinals and didn't play hard, or it could have been Cards got lucky 3 times, or maybe just maybe they grew as a team .....David Yudkin said:2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?switz said:Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
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I guessed you missed the Super Bowl when they couldn't stop the Steelers offense and showed that the defense may have been exposed. Along with constant pressure on Warner...so the Oline may not have progressed.....see how you can tweak it to whatever you want?History shows that the Super Bowl loser has a constant drop in wins and that the Cardinals have had a couple of season at near .500 record....I would say that YOU are going out on a limb. Not surprized considering its your team though.WOW- I guess you missed the playoffs last year. Funny how you choose not to include the most recent/and important games of last year. I suppose instead of seeing DRC Fitz and the O-line progressing you will just ignore what they did in the playoffs all together. I have zero doubt you predicted a Falcon win then a Carolina Win and musta said no way they beat the Eagles...Maybe they just assumed it was the Cardinals and didn't play hard, or it could have been Cards got lucky 3 times, or maybe just maybe they grew as a team .....David Yudkin said:2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?switz said:Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
jurb26
Footballguy
So you think he will develop turf toe on both feet and play sparingly all year because of injuries?
I think YOU missed the Super Bowl. 292 total yards is hardly lighting it up. The defense is what won it for the Steelers. So no the defense has not been exposed. And Warner lit em up for 300+yds passing and that shows the O-line held up just fine against the #1 defense in the league. This defense will suprise people this year. They added alot of depth in the secondary and the D-line will be very solid. They do lack linebacker depth though. Some of the vets and rooks hopefully work it out. You forget that out of the last 8 super bowl losers the only one that has made it back to the playoffs is the Seahawks who play in the NFC west. So maybe they're immune to the curse.I guessed you missed the Super Bowl when they couldn't stop the Steelers offense and showed that the defense may have been exposed. Along with constant pressure on Warner...so the Oline may not have progressed.....see how you can tweak it to whatever you want?History shows that the Super Bowl loser has a constant drop in wins and that the Cardinals have had a couple of season at near .500 record....I would say that YOU are going out on a limb. Not surprized considering its your team though.WOW- I guess you missed the playoffs last year. Funny how you choose not to include the most recent/and important games of last year. I suppose instead of seeing DRC Fitz and the O-line progressing you will just ignore what they did in the playoffs all together. I have zero doubt you predicted a Falcon win then a Carolina Win and musta said no way they beat the Eagles...Maybe they just assumed it was the Cardinals and didn't play hard, or it could have been Cards got lucky 3 times, or maybe just maybe they grew as a team .....David Yudkin said:2008ARI +1 point scoring differential and 9-7 overall.5 games with 35+ points allowed.3-5 on the road, -63 point scoring differential on the road3-7 out of the division, -78 point scoring differential out of the division2007ARI +5 point scoring differential and 8-8 overall.2-6 on the road, -32 point scoring differentual on the road5-5 out of the division, -6 point scoring differential out of the divisionOver the past two years, ARI is 17-15 overall, 5-11 on the road, and 8-12 out of the division with a +6 scoring differential overall. -95 point differential on the road and -84 point differential out of the division. Where am I so off-base to suggest that they are basically a .500 team in a weak division?switz said:Wow... seriously??????Whatever happened to Anarchy? I used to respect his opinions... ever since he became staff he's gone way downhill.
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joefootball2
Footballguy
well the colts exited early from the playoffs last year so I guess they will tank this year.
come on people get a a grip, a few games in the playoffs doesn't = the next year. look at what they did over 16 weeks, not 3. plus this team isn't much diff than the one from last year w the most notable diff being (they hope) Wells.
he has boom or bust written all over him and will not be consistent. I will try to get him cheap but probably won't.
come on people get a a grip, a few games in the playoffs doesn't = the next year. look at what they did over 16 weeks, not 3. plus this team isn't much diff than the one from last year w the most notable diff being (they hope) Wells.
he has boom or bust written all over him and will not be consistent. I will try to get him cheap but probably won't.
Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
Just mentioning the similarities.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
Just mentioning the similarities.dparker713
Footballguy
Interesting going back and re-reading that thread, but I dont think anyone would argue he's in Peterson's class.Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Did the Vikings have an elite passing attack with Pro Bowl receivers and QB? Did the Vikings have a bottom five rushing game? Do the Cardinals have Pro Bowl offensive lineman?Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
puckalicious
Footballguy
Yeah pretty much nothing AT ALL similar between the teams or the 2 RBs.Did the Vikings have an elite passing attack with Pro Bowl receivers and QB? Did the Vikings have a bottom five rushing game? Do the Cardinals have Pro Bowl offensive lineman?Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
switz
Footballguy
The league is designed for parity... if you try you could make any team look like a 500 team. However, ARI over the past two years != ARI today. They improved their record last season from the season before, so why couldn't they improve again? With the improvement last season from Breaston, and the addition of Wells, their offense is getting better. Most everyone last season expected the Cards defense to be better than it was, but it disappointed. However that doens't change the fact they have the personnel in place, and I think we'll see a huge step forward form the defense this season.David Yudkin said:
If they win the games I expect they'd be 12-4, maybe 11-5
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Is your point that every season there is a substantial move to point out all the flaws in the top RB rookies and predict that they will flop? If so, I agree completely. I was thinking this discussion sounds a lot like what we heard in 2008 about McFadden, Stewart, and Mendenhall. Lots of strong love/hate. It's also a lot like the discussion we heard about Reggie Bush. It seems like the top rookies just have targets on their backs, so a lot of people want to predict failure. I guess by the same token there are people every season who predict top-five finishes for their favorite rookies, so I guess it goes both ways. Just to buck that trend, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Wells will have an extremely average season: 950 yards, 7 TDs, 20 rec, 100 yards, 1 TD.Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I thought it was pretty clear that he was talking about the common response of "talented, but durability is a concern" that showed up often in both of their threads.But then again, maybe I'm just some kind of super genius or something.Yeah pretty much nothing AT ALL similar between the teams or the 2 RBs.Did the Vikings have an elite passing attack with Pro Bowl receivers and QB? Did the Vikings have a bottom five rushing game? Do the Cardinals have Pro Bowl offensive lineman?Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
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mikel0254
Footballguy
That's what I thought he was talking about too...My boy's wicked smartI thought it was pretty clear that he was talking about the common response of "talented, but durability is a concern" that showed up often in both of their threads.But then again, maybe I'm just some kind of super genius or something.Yeah pretty much nothing AT ALL similar between the teams or the 2 RBs.Did the Vikings have an elite passing attack with Pro Bowl receivers and QB? Did the Vikings have a bottom five rushing game? Do the Cardinals have Pro Bowl offensive lineman?Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
Count me in on the "Beanie fanboy" side of this discussion. He's on my team more than anyone else in the mocks I've done. Prolific offense + weak competition for carries + NFC West sounds good enough to me for where you can get him. I don't understand preferring somebody in Denver's backfield over him, even if he is more talented.The "talent" debate seems rather fruitless to me. There's one truly special back in this league in Minnesota, and maybe a couple bad starters who will be out of the league or 3rd on another depth chart in a few years. The difference between everyone else is a small fraction of what some want to believe. So situation matters. A lot.I'll also second the comment about Arizona being a lucky team last year. Not sure how that's even all that controversial. It's not often you can go 9-7 in a garbage division and end up hosting two playoff games. I mean those are the rules and they took advantage of it so good for them, but everyone getting their panties in a knot over a perfectly valid opinion sounds like a 12yr old.
Day Drinker
Footballguy
I don't really see any posts here where anyone's panties are in a knot, nor do I see any 12 year old sounding opinions, just differing opinions that are both valid. My question for you is, if talent is such "fuitless" debate, what has changed from last year to this year in the AZ system that makes it so much better for fantasy RBs? Other that talent, I don't see much.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
So I read the article and apparently the reason he won't do well is because McFadden didn't do well. Pretty weak and a terrible article.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Seems like it, doesn't it. Just wanted to add it to the discussion, it's not my opinion of Wells.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I also want to say that historically, ARZ is not that good.
Historically, the SB loser regresses in the following year.
Historically, Kurt Warner does not play many full seasons. (note I did not say due to injury.)
Historically, the Cards have been bad at running the ball, and the OL has not changed.
I would also like to add to Yudkin, I don't think that ARZ can beat HOU. And if GB has a D that isn't injured throughout, I don't think they beat them either. I would say Jennings is almost as good as Fitz (both top 5 receiver talents) and that Driver and the younguns are about as good as Boldin/Breaston. GB has a much better running game too. So I think 6-10 is more likely. Then again the division is not that good. So maybe they win all division games. Except Seattle gets all their players back this season, and SFO looks to improve as well.
If we just look at facts, and then add in some small logical inferences, I would say it is definitely, easily within the realm of possibility that the Cards do not finish above, or maybe even at, .500
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Historically, the SB loser regresses in the following year.
Historically, Kurt Warner does not play many full seasons. (note I did not say due to injury.)
Historically, the Cards have been bad at running the ball, and the OL has not changed.
I would also like to add to Yudkin, I don't think that ARZ can beat HOU. And if GB has a D that isn't injured throughout, I don't think they beat them either. I would say Jennings is almost as good as Fitz (both top 5 receiver talents) and that Driver and the younguns are about as good as Boldin/Breaston. GB has a much better running game too. So I think 6-10 is more likely. Then again the division is not that good. So maybe they win all division games. Except Seattle gets all their players back this season, and SFO looks to improve as well.
If we just look at facts, and then add in some small logical inferences, I would say it is definitely, easily within the realm of possibility that the Cards do not finish above, or maybe even at, .500
EDIT: for spelling
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Thank you, FreeBaGeL. Half the time I think the people on here are overly aggressive. Attempting to submit others into a pseudo dominance.I thought it was pretty clear that he was talking about the common response of "talented, but durability is a concern" that showed up often in both of their threads.But then again, maybe I'm just some kind of super genius or something.Yeah pretty much nothing AT ALL similar between the teams or the 2 RBs.Did the Vikings have an elite passing attack with Pro Bowl receivers and QB? Did the Vikings have a bottom five rushing game? Do the Cardinals have Pro Bowl offensive lineman?Sounds like Adrian Peterson talk from a few years back.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t=0&start=0
Not saying he'll put up those numbers.
Kudos to you as well.
greggorymac
Footballguy
I think you may be on your own with the bolded opinions above.
Consider me on the Beanie Bandwagon as I think that he is the real deal and will slip in redrafts due to Arizona's recent poor running attack. As a third rookie pick dynasty player, I will be very happy to land him as I expect Moreno and Crabtree to go first and second in ppr leagues.
Beanie Wells does have some that question his heart, but the talent is there. I look for him to outperform his ADP of RB29 and 66 overall by a wide margin in 09. I truly doubt that Hightower will be used much.
Beanie Wells 260 carries 1066 yards 4.1 ypc 35 targets 25 catches 150 yards 6.0 ypc and 12 TDs
Beanie Wells does have some that question his heart, but the talent is there. I look for him to outperform his ADP of RB29 and 66 overall by a wide margin in 09. I truly doubt that Hightower will be used much.
Beanie Wells 260 carries 1066 yards 4.1 ypc 35 targets 25 catches 150 yards 6.0 ypc and 12 TDs
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Maybe the WORST post I have seen this offseason. Jennings is not CLOSE to Fitz. Driver cmpared to Boldin is a joke. The running game in GB is a joke.Now thats some facts for ya.
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