Player Spotlight: Chris "Beanie" Wells (1 Viewer)

[bocksheesh]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

In a 12-team draft that doesn't occur till after the 4th preseason game, what round do you think you need to take Wells? Since he's still in a RBBC with Hightower, which may or may not last long, does Wells go in the 5th round?

 

[inzanitee]

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs.

I agree, I think Wells is significantly more talented than Moreno, though Moreno is going to be a very good all around RB IMO. Wells has a good shot at being top 5 for several years, he really is a special talent.

 

[kremenull]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

In a 12-team draft that doesn't occur till after the 4th preseason game, what round do you think you need to take Wells? Since he's still in a RBBC with Hightower, which may or may not last long, does Wells go in the 5th round?

I've had 3 drafts since last weekend, and landed Beanie in all of them. I got him at 7.06, 6.09, and 6.03. At the 6.03, I would have selected him at 5.10 but I knew that I'd still be able to get him at 6.03 and opted for another player. By the end of the preseason, it will probably require an early 5th to get him, somewhere right around the 4th/5th corner. If I had the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft, I would go RB-WR-WR first 3 rounds, then target Beanie and the best available other RB at the 4th/5th corner. I'd have a hard time taking Ray Rice ahead of Beanie as I see everyone doing right now. And guys like LJ, Ward, Addai, and Moreno, I would certainly not take over Wells. Just my

 

[PahtyTom]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo.

He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As a Beanie owner, I was getting a bit worried and would have been very worried had he not played again this week. That said, he looked pretty darn good out there, and he was still in against the 1st string defense for much of the damage he did. He looked strong and quick. Here are the runs he had in the game:

Chris Wells Week 3 Preseason Highlights

 

[bocksheesh]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo. He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Unfortunately for Moreno, aside from his injury, his Broncos team is going to be behind. A lot. So passing the ball. A lot. And there are about 100 other RBs floating around in Denver.I like both RBs, and definitely don't love the Cardinals OLine, but think Wells has a much better opportunity.My hope, drafting from the #3 spot, is to take a RB in the 4th that can be serviceable for the first 4-6 weeks (say, Willie Parker) and then take Wells at 5.03 who I can slot in after a month or so. Then again, I might get nervous about losing Wells, choke, and take him at 4.09 (which is too early) and then hope an Addai or Parker or LJ or someone falls to me at 5.03.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Looks strong making one cut and taking off, not real quick getting to the outside there.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

In a 12-team draft that doesn't occur till after the 4th preseason game, what round do you think you need to take Wells? Since he's still in a RBBC with Hightower, which may or may not last long, does Wells go in the 5th round?

I've had 3 drafts since last weekend, and landed Beanie in all of them. I got him at 7.06, 6.09, and 6.03. At the 6.03, I would have selected him at 5.10 but I knew that I'd still be able to get him at 6.03 and opted for another player. By the end of the preseason, it will probably require an early 5th to get him, somewhere right around the 4th/5th corner. If I had the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft, I would go RB-WR-WR first 3 rounds, then target Beanie and the best available other RB at the 4th/5th corner. I'd have a hard time taking Ray Rice ahead of Beanie as I see everyone doing right now. And guys like LJ, Ward, Addai, and Moreno, I would certainly not take over Wells. Just my

5.11, 6.5 and 6.3 I've taken him, got laughed at for it in two, the only reason I didn't in the 3rd was because it wasn't a live draft.

 

[Jack Burton]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo.

He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Wells scored a very nice TD on his third carry ever in the NFL. Are you that hard to impress?I think it(bolded) does say a lot when you consider that Hightower had 10 td's last year. Why shouldn't Wells be able to replicate that total assuming he is given the same opportunity Hightower got last year?

 

[Multiple Scores]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo. He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Never watched a college football game in your life? I believe this awful Packers D you speak of had not given up a TD by the first string until that moment. This whole post reeks of someone talking without knowledge of Wells college career or the actual Packers defense on the field.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.

Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.

1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.

Was it this

Awesome stuff here.

 

[David Yudkin]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

A 4.7 ypc? I'm not buying it.

 

[cvnpoka]

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

wells was by far the best player on the field for the bucks in the bcs throttlings vs florida and lsu. his action was limited early due to osu having to abandon the run game. its just wrong to say he didnt look good in those games.

 

[PahtyTom]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo. He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Never watched a college football game in your life? I believe this awful Packers D you speak of had not given up a TD by the first string until that moment. This whole post reeks of someone talking without knowledge of Wells college career or the actual Packers defense on the field.

Seriously you guys are ridiculous.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo. He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Never watched a college football game in your life? I believe this awful Packers D you speak of had not given up a TD by the first string until that moment. This whole post reeks of someone talking without knowledge of Wells college career or the actual Packers defense on the field.

Seriously you guys are ridiculous.

Explain to me how the Packers 1st string defense is awful and I'll admit i'm the one being ridiculous. Thanks in advance, looking forward to your response.

 

[cvnpoka]

i was wrong about wells having a good game vs florida. he was 2 for 9 yards. i think he was frosh then so whatever. but he tore up lsu at 20 for 146 and a touch.

 

[PahtyTom]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo. He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Never watched a college football game in your life? I believe this awful Packers D you speak of had not given up a TD by the first string until that moment. This whole post reeks of someone talking without knowledge of Wells college career or the actual Packers defense on the field.

Seriously you guys are ridiculous.

Explain to me how the Packers 1st string defense is awful and I'll admit i'm the one being ridiculous. Thanks in advance, looking forward to your response.

first off u don't have to be such a too. Second they r switching to a 3-4 and it's preseason. They will have growing pains on Defense. Defenses traditionally decline when switching schemes like that. I don't care what they did earlier this preseason but that's just me. Bottomline, the packers defense looked awful all night as evidenced by the yards per carry and yards per pass attempt they give up. Beanie looked good, but great? Na not IMO.

 

[dparker713]

In neither of those runs is he able to run away from the defense. First run, the defense overpersues and the safety has to try to cover for a blown contain. He is somewhat faster than Glenn Dorsey, but he is not exactly a speed rushing DE. Second run, the safety takes a bad angle, but after he adjusts they're running around the same speed - though the safety gains a step over 20 or so yards. The safety was Craig Steltz, and the knock on him coming out of college was his lack of athleticism and his 4.59 40. This is the type of player a back with breakaway speed leaves in the dust, instead he's able to recover and have a chance to drive at his feet to trip Wells up.The 20+ yard run stat is fairly meaningless, the context of those runs and what a RB actually does when has chances presented to him are far more important. And I've seen very little game breaking ability from the RBs in this class, so that number is not particularly surprising given the level of opponents OSU faced and the quality of their Oline. Wells is an adequate back in many ways, but he's not going to carry a running game on his shoulders. He'll get the yards he's supposed to get, no more no less.

Awesome stuff here.

Cant say the highlights linked earlier in the thread changed my mind. He showed good vision for the most part and better feet than I remember, but breakaway speed? Not that I saw. Exceptional quickness? Nope. And he looked to need a head of steam to generate power. Also, on a bunch of those runs, the Packers front got manhandled. Maybe Grimm has finally gotten that Oline to be a force in the running game, but I'd guess the more likely culprit is the Packers front adjusting to the new base formation. Overall, I still see a RB that will need a good situation to produce, as opposed to a talent that elevates a running game on his skill alone.Oh yeah, Moreno and McCoy both have better balance than Wells.

 

[UnknownCoach]

After last year, its easy to say this year's rookie class isnt that fast. It actually isnt bad, its just that last year it was incredible. Wells is faster than most NFL RBs but even he admitted he's not up to full speed yet from his ankle injury. Wherever the hate is coming from, Wells doesnt deserve it. A lot of it seems to be coming from the fact he played for Ohio State. It doesnt matter where he played college, he's in the NFL now. He is tough. He is fast. He does play through minor injuries. He's the surest thing in this year's class (yet many have called him a risky dynasty pick lol). He might not become the best fantasy back of this class, especially in PPR leagues, but he will certainly be a really good NFL back. He will certainly produce some fantasy points. There isnt anything "wrong" with Beanie. Its just a matter of how good he can be.

 

[pghrob]

Wells is poised to make valuable contributions to the Cardinals this season. He showed that we was able to play through injuries at OSU and put up star player stats in the Big-10. Since being drafted by the Cardinals in April 2009, he likely has improved upon his training (stayed at Larry Fitzgerald's home and worked out with him) and is arguably in even better condition now and perhaps faster than when he was in college.

Fitz is quoted this past week as saying Wells and Hightower will split carries this season. That may very well be true. But if Wells shows an ability to make more plays than Hightower as the season progresses, don't think that Wisenhunt won't in a minute, start to favor Wells. All inidcations are that Wells is a better back than Hightower. It's just a matter of time before Wells is the unquestioned starter and lead back for the Cardinals.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I mean he looked good, not great imo. He's better than Hightower, but that is not saying much. The Packers defense was awful. Low end RB2 imo.

He's definitely a better athlete than Moreno, but Moreno is a more complete back and running behind a much better line.

Never watched a college football game in your life? I believe this awful Packers D you speak of had not given up a TD by the first string until that moment. This whole post reeks of someone talking without knowledge of Wells college career or the actual Packers defense on the field.

Seriously you guys are ridiculous.

Explain to me how the Packers 1st string defense is awful and I'll admit i'm the one being ridiculous. Thanks in advance, looking forward to your response.

first off u don't have to be such a too. Second they r switching to a 3-4 and it's preseason. They will have growing pains on Defense. Defenses traditionally decline when switching schemes like that. I don't care what they did earlier this preseason but that's just me. Bottomline, the packers defense looked awful all night as evidenced by the yards per carry and yards per pass attempt they give up. Beanie looked good, but great? Na not IMO.

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me". This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

 

[Maven]

Coming from a Wells hater who watched him in college ... I was VERY impressed with his quick feet and sharp cuts last night. It made me rethink his potential. Although it was only a few runs, don't sleep...

 

[PahtyTom]

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me". This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

Yea, you care a lot about what they did earlier in the preseason. I don't. I'm sure you are right. Good luck this year, I'm putting you on ignore since I already won this argument even if you can't comprehend that.

 

[Multiple Scores]

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me".

This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

Yea, you care a lot about what they did earlier in the preseason. I don't. I'm sure you are right. Good luck this year, I'm putting you on ignore since I already won this argument even if you can't comprehend that.

Um, ok.

 

[corpcow]

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me". This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

Yea, you care a lot about what they did earlier in the preseason. I don't. I'm sure you are right. Good luck this year, I'm putting you on ignore since I already won this argument even if you can't comprehend that.

I'm just an objective observer here, but how exactly did you win this argument?

 

[Limp Ditka]

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me". This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

Yea, you care a lot about what they did earlier in the preseason. I don't. I'm sure you are right. Good luck this year, I'm putting you on ignore since I already won this argument even if you can't comprehend that.

 

[thehornet]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

 

[jurb26]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

 

[DoubleG]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

A 4.7 ypc? I'm not buying it.

Seriously, why not? As a Cardinals RB, the guy will NEVER see 8 in the box. With Fitz and Boldin, is a safety going to cheat up to stop the run? I think those stats might be a high, but certainly not due to the 4.7 ypc. I'd buy the 4.7 per before I'd pencil in 240+ carries. I think 4.4-4.7 YPC with his talent is reasonable on a team that passes to set up the pass...and then runs just to make sure it's still allowed.

 

[thehornet]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

A 4.7 ypc? I'm not buying it.

Seriously, why not? As a Cardinals RB, the guy will NEVER see 8 in the box. With Fitz and Boldin, is a safety going to cheat up to stop the run? I think those stats might be a high, but certainly not due to the 4.7 ypc. I'd buy the 4.7 per before I'd pencil in 240+ carries. I think 4.4-4.7 YPC with his talent is reasonable on a team that passes to set up the pass...and then runs just to make sure it's still allowed.

I think Wells is 2X as good as Hightower, so I'm guessing 5.6 YPC

 

[LHUCKS]

Looks like a young Shaun Alexander to me...just saying.

 

[massraider]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

A 4.7 ypc? I'm not buying it.

Seriously, why not? As a Cardinals RB, the guy will NEVER see 8 in the box. With Fitz and Boldin, is a safety going to cheat up to stop the run? I think those stats might be a high, but certainly not due to the 4.7 ypc. I'd buy the 4.7 per before I'd pencil in 240+ carries. I think 4.4-4.7 YPC with his talent is reasonable on a team that passes to set up the pass...and then runs just to make sure it's still allowed.

I'd like to know how many guys have averaged that much with minimum 240 carries.

 

[DoubleG]

I have the first pick in our rookie draft ( Of course dynasty ) .I paid to get from 2 to 1 to get Moreno , but now im am hesitating .Fortunately i can wait , i dont need the pick to step in my starting lineup this season .

Yeah, and the guy you traded with got something of value from you and if you choose Moreno, he also gets the best RB in the draft. But hey, Moreno will still produce very well in that system. In the end, for fantasy purposes, it could be a wash or a negligible difference. But in talent and overall ability as a runner, Wells >>> Moreno. Yes, I mean significantly better with the use of the 3 signs. If I'm sitting at #2 in a draft like this, I stand pat and allow the first owner to make the choice, unless what I'm giving up is very minimal. Most guys will draft Moreno at #1. Moreno is not a must-have in this draft ala Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago. Beanie is not quite on the level of Peterson, but could be closer than many think and he may turn out to be a must-have.My projections for his rookie year, now that my drafts are over and I have acquired my guy Beanie in quite a few of them...245 carries1150 rush yds9-10 rush TDs27 rec210 yds2 TDsYep.....Lights it up, pretty much!

A 4.7 ypc? I'm not buying it.

Seriously, why not? As a Cardinals RB, the guy will NEVER see 8 in the box. With Fitz and Boldin, is a safety going to cheat up to stop the run? I think those stats might be a high, but certainly not due to the 4.7 ypc. I'd buy the 4.7 per before I'd pencil in 240+ carries. I think 4.4-4.7 YPC with his talent is reasonable on a team that passes to set up the pass...and then runs just to make sure it's still allowed.

I'd like to know how many guys have averaged that much with minimum 240 carries.

That's not what I said at all. Reread the post. Incidentally, there were several that averaged 4.3-4.7 with 240+ carries last year (when I got to 6 I stopped counting).Checked - there were 8 last year (of the 13 that had 240+ carries) - that's over half.

 

[switz]

I'd like to know how many guys have averaged that much with minimum 240 carries.

Barry Sanders did it 5 timesMarshall Faulk did it 3 timesOJ Simpson did it 3 timesThurman Thomas did it 3 timesLaDainian Tomlinson did it 3 timesTerrell Davis did it 2 times (missed a third time by 3 carries )Clinton Portis did it 2 timesWalter Payton did it 2 timesGarrison Hearst did it 2 timesEmmitt Smith did it 2 timesEarl Campbell did it 2 timesShaun Alexander did it 2 timesAdrian Peterson did it 1 time (and missed another by 2 carries )Napoleon Kaufman did it 1 timeCharlie Garner did it 1 timesWendell Tyler did it 1 timeRicky Williams did it 1 timesJamal Lewis did it 1 timeEric Dickerson did it 1 timeGeorge Rogers missed it by 9 carriesFreeman McNeil missed it by 11 carriesThere are probably more, but I stopped checking... in that list it happened 38 times

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

So according to you even though the Packers defense has been terrific, you will call them awful just because and I quote "that's just me". This has me thinking back to my youth, playing baseball with some friends. This one kid Tom hit a popup that was caught, he argued it was a homer and everyone on both sides told him the ball was clearly caught, Tom was the owner of the bat and ball, he took the bat and ball and walked home mumbling how we were all ridiculous.

Yea, you care a lot about what they did earlier in the preseason. I don't. I'm sure you are right. Good luck this year, I'm putting you on ignore since I already won this argument even if you can't comprehend that.

You have been getting this whole thread. Reality check thime.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

 

[jurb26]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

 

[massraider]

I'd like to know how many guys have averaged that much with minimum 240 carries.

That's not what I said at all. Reread the post. Incidentally, there were several that averaged 4.3-4.7 with 240+ carries last year (when I got to 6 I stopped counting).Checked - there were 8 last year (of the 13 that had 240+ carries) - that's over half.

Re-read MY post, Skippy.. I just said I'd like to know.

 

[Multiple Scores]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

I think what we are seeing here is a lot of people obviously drafted Hightower over the past month while most of the members on this forum bashed Beanie relentlessly. I am thinking people want to get some production from what 2 weeks ago would have been called by lots a "great value pick". Prior to this week Hightowers ADP was closing in on Wells with each passing day of Wells missing practices and the bashing that went along with it. Right after the NFL draft Wells was way up on Hightower and Hightower was the afterthought, that trend I see coming back very soon, probably is already occuring.

I fully admit I am expecting good value from picking Wells, so it's not like i'm in some different boat in that respect, the big difference is I am hoping for a solid starter, a great #2 back or even a good #1 back when the fantasy playoffs roll around which the schedule supports. The Hightower owners were more than likely banking on a descent bye week fill in or possibly a flex play in deep leagues. The difference between Wells and Hightower in fantasy will be Hightower might not lose you your leagues but Beanie might just win you some leagues.

Another thing I think is going on is when you hear that Hightower looked just as good as Wells, people are simply just not watching the actual game and skewing the stats to justify Hightower as relevant.

 

[dparker713]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

Didn't see the Hightower footage, but I didn't see anything in that game that made Wells standout as a top back in the NFL. The holes were enormous in many cases and he generally hit the right hole.

 

[jurb26]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

Didn't see the Hightower footage, but I didn't see anything in that game that made Wells standout as a top back in the NFL. The holes were enormous in many cases and he generally hit the right hole.

Given your previous participation in this thread and other Wells threads, I'm sure you didn't see anything other than what you want to see.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

Didn't see the Hightower footage, but I didn't see anything in that game that made Wells standout as a top back in the NFL. The holes were enormous in many cases and he generally hit the right hole.

Fail!His first TD's was all him. If anoyone thinks THT scores on that play... Well just keep telling yourself that reality will soon check in.

 

[thehornet]

There is no way hightower can hold this guy off.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...ells-highlights

Me Like.

Wells showed more ability in this one pre-season game than Hightower has in over a year. And he's not even 100% yet.

LMAO, Well 6.6 yds a carry coming into the game half way through the 2nd quarter, while Hightower had 6.3 yds a carry after starting against a fresh D. I'm not sure 100% and Wells go hand in hand.

It's not even worth debating. Anyone with eyes not covered with Hightower goggles could see the difference.

Didn't see the Hightower footage, but I didn't see anything in that game that made Wells standout as a top back in the NFL. The holes were enormous in many cases and he generally hit the right hole.

You mustn't have watched his highlights. Really, that is the only way I could possibly let you off the hook for this statement.

 

[dparker713]

You mustn't have watched his highlights. Really, that is the only way I could possibly let you off the hook for this statement.

Watched them all several times. On the TD, he's going right where the play is designed to go. The Cards sustained their blocks and he used his blockers appropriately. It was a nice cut to lose the safety, but its a cut a starting NFL RB should be able to make. He did a go job moving his feet and avoiding getting tripped up, but there wasn't anything special about that play. The important thing to me in this case isnt the result, its the process. And I just wasnt impressed by Wells' process. I just see nothing to indicate he'll be a star in the NFL that so many believe he will be. If he gets in the right situation, he could put up some decent fantasy numbers, and the showing by the Oline yesterday was encouraging but Im not at all sold that Arizona will be a good running situation anytime soon.

 

[dparker713]

Fail!His first TD's was all him. If anoyone thinks THT scores on that play... Well just keep telling yourself that reality will soon check in.

Sure it was all him, if you ignore the sustained kickout block on the DE, the 2 good blocks by the pulling OL at the point of attack, the misread and recovery by the FB to make a nice block and the block downfield by the WR to spring him. Yep, all him.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Lets review Beanie Wells' college career:

He played at OSU, clearly the most talented team in a weak conference.

The OSU offensive line consistently opened up wide lanes for him to run through.

He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.

He was not generally not considered the top RB in his class.

Now lets review the Cardinals:

They have a dynamic passing attack with a ton of money tied up in their QB and top 2 WRs

Their Oline has shown an inability over the years to open holes regardless of the RB.

Their defense was sieve-like at times last year.

Unless I see something during preseason games from Wells, I'll be avoiding him like the plague. He's not a sure bet to beat out Hightower, and even if he does he's not guarenteed to gain goaline duties.

Let's review:1. Penn State was the most talented team in the Big 10, and it's not a "Weak" conference. Compared to the SCC, sure it is but every other one is too.

2. Chris Wells didn't look fast against USC and Florida you say??? HE NEVER PLAYED EITHER OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on man, if you're going to knock the guy, at least have your facts straight. Your credibility level just went down to zero.

1. Penn State may have won their head to head, but they werent the more talented team last year or the year before. The Big Ten is easily behind the Big12, SEC and Pac-10. They're on par with the Big East and maybe even the Moutain West. 2. Got the championship embaressments mixed up, so sorry. However, he did play against Florida, 2 carries for 9 yards. As for USC, it was a jokingly included, but now that you point it out, he doesnt exactly seem tough after the way it was speculated he might play against USC and also he sat for the second half against Texas.

Fact remains, he doesnt display breakaway speed in the NFL, its adequate, but if he isnt running away from defensive backs in the Big 10, he's not going to be running away from them in the NFL.

Was it this

Note to self and board members - dparker makes it up as he goes along...

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Fail!His first TD's was all him. If anoyone thinks THT scores on that play... Well just keep telling yourself that reality will soon check in.

Sure it was all him, if you ignore the sustained kickout block on the DE, the 2 good blocks by the pulling OL at the point of attack, the misread and recovery by the FB to make a nice block and the block downfield by the WR to spring him. Yep, all him.

Obviously it's never just one player but the run was all him.Btw, you forgot to give credit to Kurt Warner for that really nice hand off.

 

[dparker713]

Note to self and board members - dparker makes it up as he goes along...

I've yet to see anyone breakdown a play of Wells' and show he has special talent for a starting NFL RB. People just say, "he was awesome in college." Cedric Benson was awesome in college, nearly a finalist for the Heisman, and a top 5 pick. He sucks. He's always sucked in the NFL. He made a nice run on the TD. He looked like a starting NFL RB. But he looked like an AVERAGE starting RB. Playing at the lower weight may well increase his breakaway chances, but he's not Chris Johnson fast, he's not Adrian Peterson fast, and he's not Steve Slaton fast. He's shown no ability to create something out of nothing. He'll need a well blocked play to do damage. There were several well blocked plays this game by the AZ line, so they may have drastically improved but atleast part of that was GB adjusting to a new base formation.

 

[cvnpoka]

"breakaway speed" is the most overrated skill for a rb. balance, strenght, vision are all far more important. turning a 0 yd gain into a 4 yd gain repeatedly is more important than the few times a rb gets a step on the defense and takes it all the way. mainly bc the short gains happen far far far more often.

some rbs without "breakaway speed." edge after his knee injury. portis the last few years. emmit smith. curtis martin.

when comparing wells to tim freakin hightower i think the last aspect we should count against wells is breakaway speed.

fwiw, the player wells most reminds me off is larry johnson.

 

[PahtyTom]

Looks like a young Shaun Alexander to me...just saying.

Actually reminds me a little of Larry Johnson but that's probably not good enough for some people in this thread either.