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Player Spotlight: Chris "Beanie" Wells (1 Viewer)

"breakaway speed" is the most overrated skill for a rb. balance, strenght, vision are all far more important. turning a 0 yd gain into a 4 yd gain repeatedly is more important than the few times a rb gets a step on the defense and takes it all the way. mainly bc the short gains happen far far far more often.

some rbs without "breakaway speed." edge after his knee injury. portis the last few years. emmit smith. curtis martin.

when comparing wells to tim freakin hightower i think the last aspect we should count against wells is breakaway speed.

fwiw, the player wells most reminds me off is larry johnson.
Well, when people project him for 4.7 yards per carry, he either needs to have breakaway speed to break off some long runs or an exceptional run blocking OL. He has neither. He also doesn't have exceptional balance, quickness, strength or vision. He's good in all those areas, but he is not exceptional in any of them. That means he's a RB highly dependent on his situation.
Even if you believe that this (bolded) statement is true, tell me what is there not to like about his situation? Run-blocking is one of the easiest tasks for o-linemen to do. If you don't know this, then you don't know much about football. Bad o-lines are usually bad because they can't pass block adequately, not due to run blocking. If teams aren't very good in run blocking, then they either have very poor coaching as the #1 factor, or as a secondary consideration, a lack of talent most likely due to injuries taking down their starters and testing their depth along the line. I don't know if you've ever heard of Russ Grimm, but in case you haven't, o-line coaching will not be the problem for AZ. Additionally, do you also understand the type of space (i.e., running lanes) that Beanie will enjoy due to the fact that AZ has an ultra-dynamic passing attack? Personally, I know that these are glaring facts regarding his situation that tip the scales heavily towards the 'positive' side for Beanie, and it appears that your analysis has not given these facts consideration. If you think that Beanie Wells was just 'AVERAGE', as you put it, in his debut. Then yes, I'd also have to say that you don't have a good read on running back talent. My analysis and evaluations have been done well before any preseason action, and Wells' debut only solidified my original thinking and projection. And yes, I am the guy who projects 4.7 per carry.

And on the topic of breakaway speed, if he didn't have it before, Wells has it now. If you don't understand what better training and conditioning resulting in a lighter, leaner, frame can do for a RB of his ability, then just sit back and watch as it will be illustrated to you and all of the other non-believers.

I've already bought my ticket, sometime you gotta know and trust what you see.......before it happens.
Wow, so many inaccuracies, I'll try to address them all.Run blocking at the NFL level is not an easy task. Very few teams just try to push hat on hat, and even if you do, technique, leverage and footwork are very important. Certain players and certain lines have skill sets that translate into better pass protection than run blocking. Additionally, when teams focus on the passing game, their run blocking offen suffers due to a lack of game speed reps.

Russ Grimm and Whisenhunt are entering their third year in AZ. Since they replaced the C last year and will have the same line this year. The only significant difference between this year and last year for the OL is that Grimm got promoted to co-coordinator with the WR coach, but they're unlikely to suddenly become a run heavy team with the best WR tandem in the league, a QB they just signed to a lucrative two year extension and a team that almost won the Super Bowl. This is nearly the same situation as last year and the year before when the AZ running game was anemic. Yet somehow, with all these things the same the situation for Wells will magically become a positive?

You might want to take a reading comprehension class. I said an average starting RB. My evaluations are never done, more data allows for a better estimation of a player's true talent level.

I saw quicker feet than he had in college, likely due to the weight loss. Still not exceptional, but an improvement none the less. As for the breakaway speed, there was nothing on that tape to show a faster top gear. It may be there, but he did not have an opportunity to show it in that game.

You are right about one thing. I am a non-believer. Im a skeptic. I don't take things on faith or other people's evaluations. I trust my own eyes and my own evaluations. And nothing I've seen makes me like Wells as a borderline RB1.
A team doesn't have to totally change their identity to become more balanced on offense. How much more balanced will the Cards be in '09? That is yet to be determined. As far as the offensive line situation being pretty much the same as last year, that is false. I do know that the Cards haven't had a RB the past few years with the ability and talent of Beanie Wells, and that addition by itself will translate into more commitment and attention to detail in the running game. When an offensive line gets a talented RB to block for, the excitement and expectations are raised for everyone. So tell me, do you think that Deuce Letui and Levi Brown are better suited for pass blocking or run-blocking? From reading their scouting reports and seeing them play in college, I think they would much prefer, and would excel, at run blocking ahead of pass blocking. It all depends on focus, what is important to a team in establishing it's identity. I believe the coaching staff when they say that they are going to be more committed to the run game this year than they have been in the past. The drafting of a (potentially) elite RB in the first round gives me that confidence, or faith, as you put it, in this situation. Whatever happens, time will reveal.......Js stay out of the way so you don't get run over by the "Beanie Express".....Choo-Choo!

 
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"breakaway speed" is the most overrated skill for a rb. balance, strenght, vision are all far more important. turning a 0 yd gain into a 4 yd gain repeatedly is more important than the few times a rb gets a step on the defense and takes it all the way. mainly bc the short gains happen far far far more often.

some rbs without "breakaway speed." edge after his knee injury. portis the last few years. emmit smith. curtis martin.

when comparing wells to tim freakin hightower i think the last aspect we should count against wells is breakaway speed.

fwiw, the player wells most reminds me off is larry johnson.
Well, when people project him for 4.7 yards per carry, he either needs to have breakaway speed to break off some long runs or an exceptional run blocking OL. He has neither. He also doesn't have exceptional balance, quickness, strength or vision. He's good in all those areas, but he is not exceptional in any of them. That means he's a RB highly dependent on his situation.
Even if you believe that this (bolded) statement is true, tell me what is there not to like about his situation? Run-blocking is one of the easiest tasks for o-linemen to do. If you don't know this, then you don't know much about football. Bad o-lines are usually bad because they can't pass block adequately, not due to run blocking. If teams aren't very good in run blocking, then they either have very poor coaching as the #1 factor, or as a secondary consideration, a lack of talent most likely due to injuries taking down their starters and testing their depth along the line. I don't know if you've ever heard of Russ Grimm, but in case you haven't, o-line coaching will not be the problem for AZ. Additionally, do you also understand the type of space (i.e., running lanes) that Beanie will enjoy due to the fact that AZ has an ultra-dynamic passing attack? Personally, I know that these are glaring facts regarding his situation that tip the scales heavily towards the 'positive' side for Beanie, and it appears that your analysis has not given these facts consideration. If you think that Beanie Wells was just 'AVERAGE', as you put it, in his debut. Then yes, I'd also have to say that you don't have a good read on running back talent. My analysis and evaluations have been done well before any preseason action, and Wells' debut only solidified my original thinking and projection. And yes, I am the guy who projects 4.7 per carry.

And on the topic of breakaway speed, if he didn't have it before, Wells has it now. If you don't understand what better training and conditioning resulting in a lighter, leaner, frame can do for a RB of his ability, then just sit back and watch as it will be illustrated to you and all of the other non-believers.

I've already bought my ticket, sometime you gotta know and trust what you see.......before it happens.
Wow, so many inaccuracies, I'll try to address them all.Run blocking at the NFL level is not an easy task. Very few teams just try to push hat on hat, and even if you do, technique, leverage and footwork are very important. Certain players and certain lines have skill sets that translate into better pass protection than run blocking. Additionally, when teams focus on the passing game, their run blocking offen suffers due to a lack of game speed reps.

Russ Grimm and Whisenhunt are entering their third year in AZ. Since they replaced the C last year and will have the same line this year. The only significant difference between this year and last year for the OL is that Grimm got promoted to co-coordinator with the WR coach, but they're unlikely to suddenly become a run heavy team with the best WR tandem in the league, a QB they just signed to a lucrative two year extension and a team that almost won the Super Bowl. This is nearly the same situation as last year and the year before when the AZ running game was anemic. Yet somehow, with all these things the same the situation for Wells will magically become a positive?

You might want to take a reading comprehension class. I said an average starting RB. My evaluations are never done, more data allows for a better estimation of a player's true talent level.

I saw quicker feet than he had in college, likely due to the weight loss. Still not exceptional, but an improvement none the less. As for the breakaway speed, there was nothing on that tape to show a faster top gear. It may be there, but he did not have an opportunity to show it in that game.

You are right about one thing. I am a non-believer. Im a skeptic. I don't take things on faith or other people's evaluations. I trust my own eyes and my own evaluations. And nothing I've seen makes me like Wells as a borderline RB1.
Classic response. Your entire response leaves open the possibility that if he does succeed, then your analysis is always a work in progress. What a joke.
Considering the season hardly ends with the fantasy draft, anyone that clings to their preseason rankings is doomed to languish at the bottom of their leagues. We have highly limited information on Wells and at this point it's projection and speculation, seeing as I'm a fan of rational thought, Im not about to cling to my beliefs about a player that is contrary to the information available to me. That would be an irrational, faith based delusion similar to the 'Benson will lead the way' schtick. I could very well be wrong, maybe Wells will be a difference maker in the NFL. Maybe he'll top 2190 yards and rewrite the record books. I just dont see it. He might be the best thing since sliced bread and I'll miss out on him entirely this year because I doubt I'll be drafting in any league.

 
"breakaway speed" is the most overrated skill for a rb. balance, strenght, vision are all far more important. turning a 0 yd gain into a 4 yd gain repeatedly is more important than the few times a rb gets a step on the defense and takes it all the way. mainly bc the short gains happen far far far more often.

some rbs without "breakaway speed." edge after his knee injury. portis the last few years. emmit smith. curtis martin.

when comparing wells to tim freakin hightower i think the last aspect we should count against wells is breakaway speed.

fwiw, the player wells most reminds me off is larry johnson.
Well, when people project him for 4.7 yards per carry, he either needs to have breakaway speed to break off some long runs or an exceptional run blocking OL. He has neither. He also doesn't have exceptional balance, quickness, strength or vision. He's good in all those areas, but he is not exceptional in any of them. That means he's a RB highly dependent on his situation.
Even if you believe that this (bolded) statement is true, tell me what is there not to like about his situation? Run-blocking is one of the easiest tasks for o-linemen to do. If you don't know this, then you don't know much about football. Bad o-lines are usually bad because they can't pass block adequately, not due to run blocking. If teams aren't very good in run blocking, then they either have very poor coaching as the #1 factor, or as a secondary consideration, a lack of talent most likely due to injuries taking down their starters and testing their depth along the line. I don't know if you've ever heard of Russ Grimm, but in case you haven't, o-line coaching will not be the problem for AZ. Additionally, do you also understand the type of space (i.e., running lanes) that Beanie will enjoy due to the fact that AZ has an ultra-dynamic passing attack? Personally, I know that these are glaring facts regarding his situation that tip the scales heavily towards the 'positive' side for Beanie, and it appears that your analysis has not given these facts consideration. If you think that Beanie Wells was just 'AVERAGE', as you put it, in his debut. Then yes, I'd also have to say that you don't have a good read on running back talent. My analysis and evaluations have been done well before any preseason action, and Wells' debut only solidified my original thinking and projection. And yes, I am the guy who projects 4.7 per carry.

And on the topic of breakaway speed, if he didn't have it before, Wells has it now. If you don't understand what better training and conditioning resulting in a lighter, leaner, frame can do for a RB of his ability, then just sit back and watch as it will be illustrated to you and all of the other non-believers.

I've already bought my ticket, sometime you gotta know and trust what you see.......before it happens.
Wow, so many inaccuracies, I'll try to address them all.Run blocking at the NFL level is not an easy task. Very few teams just try to push hat on hat, and even if you do, technique, leverage and footwork are very important. Certain players and certain lines have skill sets that translate into better pass protection than run blocking. Additionally, when teams focus on the passing game, their run blocking offen suffers due to a lack of game speed reps.

Russ Grimm and Whisenhunt are entering their third year in AZ. Since they replaced the C last year and will have the same line this year. The only significant difference between this year and last year for the OL is that Grimm got promoted to co-coordinator with the WR coach, but they're unlikely to suddenly become a run heavy team with the best WR tandem in the league, a QB they just signed to a lucrative two year extension and a team that almost won the Super Bowl. This is nearly the same situation as last year and the year before when the AZ running game was anemic. Yet somehow, with all these things the same the situation for Wells will magically become a positive?

You might want to take a reading comprehension class. I said an average starting RB. My evaluations are never done, more data allows for a better estimation of a player's true talent level.

I saw quicker feet than he had in college, likely due to the weight loss. Still not exceptional, but an improvement none the less. As for the breakaway speed, there was nothing on that tape to show a faster top gear. It may be there, but he did not have an opportunity to show it in that game.

You are right about one thing. I am a non-believer. Im a skeptic. I don't take things on faith or other people's evaluations. I trust my own eyes and my own evaluations. And nothing I've seen makes me like Wells as a borderline RB1.
A team doesn't have to totally change their identity to become more balanced on offense. How much more balanced will the Cards be in '09? That is yet to be determined. As far as the offensive line situation being pretty much the same as last year, that is false. I do know that the Cards haven't had a RB the past few years with the ability and talent of Beanie Wells, and that addition by itself will translate into more commitment and attention to detail in the running game. When an offensive line gets a talented RB to block for, the excitement and expectations are raised for everyone. So tell me, do you think that Deuce Letui and Levi Brown are better suited for pass blocking or run-blocking? From reading their scouting reports and seeing them play in college, I think they would much prefer, and would excel, at run blocking ahead of pass blocking. It all depends on focus, what is important to a team in establishing it's identity. I believe the coaching staff when they say that they are going to be more committed to the run game this year than they have been in the past. The drafting of a (potentially) elite RB in the first round gives me that confidence, or faith, as you put it, in this situation. Whatever happens, time will reveal.......Js stay out of the way so you don't get run over by the "Beanie Express".....Choo-Choo!
Same players, same line coach. Line coach co-coordinator with the WR coach from last year. Same coach speak the last few years from Whisenhunt about emphasising the running game. Your entire argument is that Wells is a difference maker at RB. And yes, he was drafted in the first round, but it was pick 31, third RB off the board, its not like he was a top 10 pick.Part of your argument was that the team would be passing to set up the run. A wide open attack with big rushing lanes. So, if they focus more on running, how can they help but to take a step back passing? As long as Warner is healthy, they will focus on the pass. Its their bread and butter. Its where they have the most talent and money invested.

And in general, lineman prefer to run block, as they get to take the initiative. But what the players prefer and what they are required to do have nothing to do with one another.

 
dparker713 said:
kremenull said:
"breakaway speed" is the most overrated skill for a rb. balance, strenght, vision are all far more important. turning a 0 yd gain into a 4 yd gain repeatedly is more important than the few times a rb gets a step on the defense and takes it all the way. mainly bc the short gains happen far far far more often.

some rbs without "breakaway speed." edge after his knee injury. portis the last few years. emmit smith. curtis martin.

when comparing wells to tim freakin hightower i think the last aspect we should count against wells is breakaway speed.

fwiw, the player wells most reminds me off is larry johnson.
Well, when people project him for 4.7 yards per carry, he either needs to have breakaway speed to break off some long runs or an exceptional run blocking OL. He has neither. He also doesn't have exceptional balance, quickness, strength or vision. He's good in all those areas, but he is not exceptional in any of them. That means he's a RB highly dependent on his situation.
Even if you believe that this (bolded) statement is true, tell me what is there not to like about his situation? Run-blocking is one of the easiest tasks for o-linemen to do. If you don't know this, then you don't know much about football. Bad o-lines are usually bad because they can't pass block adequately, not due to run blocking. If teams aren't very good in run blocking, then they either have very poor coaching as the #1 factor, or as a secondary consideration, a lack of talent most likely due to injuries taking down their starters and testing their depth along the line. I don't know if you've ever heard of Russ Grimm, but in case you haven't, o-line coaching will not be the problem for AZ. Additionally, do you also understand the type of space (i.e., running lanes) that Beanie will enjoy due to the fact that AZ has an ultra-dynamic passing attack? Personally, I know that these are glaring facts regarding his situation that tip the scales heavily towards the 'positive' side for Beanie, and it appears that your analysis has not given these facts consideration. If you think that Beanie Wells was just 'AVERAGE', as you put it, in his debut. Then yes, I'd also have to say that you don't have a good read on running back talent. My analysis and evaluations have been done well before any preseason action, and Wells' debut only solidified my original thinking and projection. And yes, I am the guy who projects 4.7 per carry.

And on the topic of breakaway speed, if he didn't have it before, Wells has it now. If you don't understand what better training and conditioning resulting in a lighter, leaner, frame can do for a RB of his ability, then just sit back and watch as it will be illustrated to you and all of the other non-believers.

I've already bought my ticket, sometime you gotta know and trust what you see.......before it happens.
Wow, so many inaccuracies, I'll try to address them all.Run blocking at the NFL level is not an easy task. Very few teams just try to push hat on hat, and even if you do, technique, leverage and footwork are very important. Certain players and certain lines have skill sets that translate into better pass protection than run blocking. Additionally, when teams focus on the passing game, their run blocking offen suffers due to a lack of game speed reps.

Russ Grimm and Whisenhunt are entering their third year in AZ. Since they replaced the C last year and will have the same line this year. The only significant difference between this year and last year for the OL is that Grimm got promoted to co-coordinator with the WR coach, but they're unlikely to suddenly become a run heavy team with the best WR tandem in the league, a QB they just signed to a lucrative two year extension and a team that almost won the Super Bowl. This is nearly the same situation as last year and the year before when the AZ running game was anemic. Yet somehow, with all these things the same the situation for Wells will magically become a positive?

You might want to take a reading comprehension class. I said an average starting RB. My evaluations are never done, more data allows for a better estimation of a player's true talent level.

I saw quicker feet than he had in college, likely due to the weight loss. Still not exceptional, but an improvement none the less. As for the breakaway speed, there was nothing on that tape to show a faster top gear. It may be there, but he did not have an opportunity to show it in that game.

You are right about one thing. I am a non-believer. Im a skeptic. I don't take things on faith or other people's evaluations. I trust my own eyes and my own evaluations. And nothing I've seen makes me like Wells as a borderline RB1.
WOW is all I can say.. Oh and thanks for the new sig material I will be using by mid season. Please do not edit any of your post so I can choose the cream of the crop. TIA
 
WOW is all I can say.. Oh and thanks for the new sig material I will be using by mid season. Please do not edit any of your post so I can choose the cream of the crop. TIA
Go right ahead. I've got no problem standing by anything I've written in this thread, or the stance that any prediction of 200+ fantasy points for Beanie this year is way too high.
 
You mustn't have watched his highlights. Really, that is the only way I could possibly let you off the hook for this statement.
Watched them all several times. On the TD, he's going right where the play is designed to go. The Cards sustained their blocks and he used his blockers appropriately. It was a nice cut to lose the safety, but its a cut a starting NFL RB should be able to make. He did a go job moving his feet and avoiding getting tripped up, but there wasn't anything special about that play. The important thing to me in this case isnt the result, its the process. And I just wasnt impressed by Wells' process. I just see nothing to indicate he'll be a star in the NFL that so many believe he will be. If he gets in the right situation, he could put up some decent fantasy numbers, and the showing by the Oline yesterday was encouraging but Im not at all sold that Arizona will be a good running situation anytime soon.
C'mon. We're used to seeing guys like Edge (old), JJ Arington, Michael Pittman, Marcel Shipp, Emmitt Smith (old), Thomas Jones (when he sucked), Adrian Murrell, Larry Centers (I love that guy), Garrison Hearst (when he sucked), and Johnny Johnson. We haven't seen anyone run like Beanie did on that TD in 20 years here in the desert.
 
WOW is all I can say.. Oh and thanks for the new sig material I will be using by mid season. Please do not edit any of your post so I can choose the cream of the crop. TIA
Go right ahead. I've got no problem standing by anything I've written in this thread, or the stance that any prediction of 200+ fantasy points for Beanie this year is way too high.
You've already provided enough material, that you can't fix anyhow. You said earlier that Wells looked terrible in his bowl games, it's really not up for discussion, you're the only person on the planet who thinks Wells looked terrible against Texas or LSU. You also said he looked terrible against USC, that is flat out untrue since he has never played against USC. You also said he looked terrible against Florida citing his 2 carries for 9 yards in his rookie season. You even downplayed his stiffarm by saying he touches the facemask too much. There were other things where you showed that you do not watch college football and have no knowledge of Chris "Beanie" Wells or Ohio State or the Big 10 for that matter. Everytime you say something new I remember that you don't actually watch the games or have any knowledge of college football and pretended that you were an expert on the subject, so everytime you say anything about Wells it means nothing and you sure have fished a lot of people into your fishing net, how about giving it a rest?
 
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You mustn't have watched his highlights. Really, that is the only way I could possibly let you off the hook for this statement.
Watched them all several times. On the TD, he's going right where the play is designed to go. The Cards sustained their blocks and he used his blockers appropriately. It was a nice cut to lose the safety, but its a cut a starting NFL RB should be able to make. He did a go job moving his feet and avoiding getting tripped up, but there wasn't anything special about that play. The important thing to me in this case isnt the result, its the process. And I just wasnt impressed by Wells' process. I just see nothing to indicate he'll be a star in the NFL that so many believe he will be. If he gets in the right situation, he could put up some decent fantasy numbers, and the showing by the Oline yesterday was encouraging but Im not at all sold that Arizona will be a good running situation anytime soon.
C'mon. We're used to seeing guys like Edge (old), JJ Arington, Michael Pittman, Marcel Shipp, Emmitt Smith (old), Thomas Jones (when he sucked), Adrian Murrell, Larry Centers (I love that guy), Garrison Hearst (when he sucked), and Johnny Johnson. We haven't seen anyone run like Beanie did on that TD in 20 years here in the desert.
:confused: :lmao: ;) :lmao:
 
WOW is all I can say.. Oh and thanks for the new sig material I will be using by mid season. Please do not edit any of your post so I can choose the cream of the crop. TIA
Go right ahead. I've got no problem standing by anything I've written in this thread, or the stance that any prediction of 200+ fantasy points for Beanie this year is way too high.
You've already provided enough material, that you can't fix anyhow. You said earlier that Wells looked terrible in his bowl games, it's really not up for discussion, you're the only person on the planet who thinks Wells looked terrible against Texas or LSU. You also said he looked terrible against USC, that is flat out untrue since he has never played against USC. You also said he looked terrible against Florida citing his 2 carries for 9 yards in his rookie season. You even downplayed his stiffarm by saying he touches the facemask too much. There were other things where you showed that you do not watch college football and have no knowledge of Chris "Beanie" Wells or Ohio State or the Big 10 for that matter. Everytime you say something new I remember that you don't actually watch the games or have any knowledge of college football and pretended that you were an expert on the subject, so everytime you say anything about Wells it means nothing and you sure have fished a lot of people into your fishing net, how about giving it a rest?
Jeez, you really dont pay attention when you read, do you? I'll go bullet points so you hopefully dont get confused anymore.I said 'He looked fast against the Big Ten, not so much against USC or Florida.' I later corrected myself re: Florida as I meant LSU, since I mixed up the BCS title game embarassments. That refers to the games and OSU in particular and indirectly the quality of play in the Big 10. I broke down the two highlight plays of the LSU game and was not impressed - he didn't show elite skill to me in those plays and in particular he wasn't fast enough to be a consistent threat to break big runs in the NFL. USC was a reference to his inability to play through injuries. The only thing I mentioned about Texas was that he sat for the second half as I would never use last year's UT defense as a measuring stick if I didnt have to - they just werent any good. I dont get excited over a stiff arm, but do you honestly think he doesnt need to make an adjustment with his hand placement? I've never claimed to be an expert. I've presented my opinion and backed up my assertions with observations and facts. The typical response is conclusory in nature and entirely unhelpful or inaccurate.Your opinion as to my level of viewing and knowledge of the game is just as valid as my opinion on your reading comprehension and logic skills. And Im sure you care just as much about my opinion as I do yours.I just find it amazing how many people find it incredulous that I doubt a rookie RB will in all probablity not become a borderline RB1 for fantasy as about half the people in the thread projected. And that so many people have gotten their panties in such a twist - its like you're related to Wells or something.
 
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WOW is all I can say.. Oh and thanks for the new sig material I will be using by mid season. Please do not edit any of your post so I can choose the cream of the crop. TIA
Go right ahead. I've got no problem standing by anything I've written in this thread, or the stance that any prediction of 200+ fantasy points for Beanie this year is way too high.
You've already provided enough material, that you can't fix anyhow. You said earlier that Wells looked terrible in his bowl games, it's really not up for discussion, you're the only person on the planet who thinks Wells looked terrible against Texas or LSU. You also said he looked terrible against USC, that is flat out untrue since he has never played against USC. You also said he looked terrible against Florida citing his 2 carries for 9 yards in his rookie season. You even downplayed his stiffarm by saying he touches the facemask too much. There were other things where you showed that you do not watch college football and have no knowledge of Chris "Beanie" Wells or Ohio State or the Big 10 for that matter. Everytime you say something new I remember that you don't actually watch the games or have any knowledge of college football and pretended that you were an expert on the subject, so everytime you say anything about Wells it means nothing and you sure have fished a lot of people into your fishing net, how about giving it a rest?
:thumbdown: excellent post, almost word for word what I was thinking to myself when reading this thread...just more succinct and well put. Saved me a bunch of time replying, thanks
 


"I award you no points, and may GOD have mercy on your soul." (someone reference the movie)
Old School.
Close. Back to school.
Wow, quite a fail. The answer is already in the thread. The principal in Billy Madison.
My bad. Which movie was the one where an old guy goes back to school with kids way younger?
Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School"? A Classic IMHO
 
TIMMAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! 20 points PPR
I don't play in PPR. And at 1.8 YPC, how long until Beanie @ 4.1 YPC replaces him as the starting RB? BTW, did you happen to notice inside the 5, they yanked Timaaaayy and put in Beanie to get the goal line work?BTW, this is the Wells thread - you're the one spewing the hate. We're just talking about Wells.
 
1) Wells has more talent running the ball than Hightower. I was impressed with his running.

2) Hightower will eventually lose starting job.

3) Hightower will retain value in PPR leagues because he is a better third down back and Wells value will be limited in PPR but strong in TD leagues.

 
i also saw wells pick up the blitz very nicely a few times. very important because if he's going to see significant PT on this team, he's got to be able to pass protect.

 
az_prof said:
1) Wells has more talent running the ball than Hightower. I was impressed with his running.2) Hightower will eventually lose starting job.3) Hightower will retain value in PPR leagues because he is a better third down back and Wells value will be limited in PPR but strong in TD leagues.
I agree with the caveat that we don't yet know who will be the primary goal line back, so we are not yet sure what value Beanie will have in TD leagues. But I agree he looked much better running the ball and that he will take over the starting role at some point.
 
Through the first 4 games of the season:

23 Rush 95 yds 0 TDs 4.13 ypc 0 Rec 0 yds 0 TDs 0.0 ypr 2 fumbles 1 lost

Projected:

96 Rush 380 yds 0 TDs 4.13 ypc 0 Rec 0 yds 0 TDs 0.0 ypr 8 fumbles 4 lost

He must average 16.04 ppg in standard scoring (-2 fumbles) over the last 12 weeks to reach 200 fantasy points for 2009.

Hightower still isnt a good runner and they still look to be a pass first team. I've yet to watch much of the Cardinals this season to properly evaulate my scouting of Wells heading into this season, so Ive been evaluating him based upon the statistics.

 
Neither Wells or Hightower are able to run behind that Pass Blocking line of Ari. Same issue in Hou ...

 
Through the first 8 games of the season:

70 Rush 310 yds 1 TDs 4.43 ypc 4 Rec 17 yds 0 TDs 4.25 ypr 3 fumbles 1 lost

Projected:

140 Rush 620 yds 2 TDs 4.43 ypc 8 Rec 34 yds 0 TDs 4.25 ypr 6 fumbles 2 lost

He must average 20.41 ppg in standard scoring (-2 fumbles) over the last 8 weeks to reach 200 fantasy points for 2009.

Have actually seen some of Wells play, and he looks to me to be a competent runner, which is a step up from Hightower. Absolutely no factor in the passing game and AZ is still a pass heavy team. See nothing to indicate he is a game changer and injury concerns linger. However, my fears about his stiff arm appear unfounded as they're just not calling offensive hands to the face.

 
He looked terrific in the first half today. He was dropping huge gains all over the Bears on virtually every carry he got. His final numbers were good but his second-half production tapered off and he didn't get to the level his first-half production and the way the game unfolded with Arizona leading indicated might be the case. I think he's a terrific talent but he's a tough guy to feel real good about right now. This was the ideal game set up for him (Arizona building a big lead and perhaps utilizing the running game more) but he didn't really go off. Plus, he's been a non-factor in the passing game the past two weeks after being used more there in the Giants game three weeks ago. The good news is he looks real good and the Cardinals have some great matchups in the second half. Right now, I think he's more of a guy with flex upside because Hightower isn't going away, is a huge threat in the passing game and still has the goal line role.

 
Through the first 12 games of the season:

121 Rush 517 yds 4 TDs 4.27 ypc 9 Rec 81 yds 0 TDs 9.0 ypr 3 fumbles 1 lost

Projected:

161 Rush 689 yds 5 TDs 4.27 ypc 12 Rec 108 yds 0 TDs 9.0 ypr 4 fumbles 1 lost

He must average 29.55 ppg in standard scoring (-2 fumbles) over the last 4 weeks to reach 200 fantasy points for 2009.

Just finished watching the game against Minn, which is admittedly a very bad matchup. The line was unable to create holes and Wells was unable to create on his own. He did have a nice two game stretch during this quartile, but he's been invisible the last two games. He's no factor in the passing game and neither back seems to have a hold on goalline duties.

 
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That is frustrating, a great 3rd down catch and run, and a nice 4th and 1 TD. Then another fumble, just when you start thinking he might be a great start against the Lions & Rams.

 
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picked a good week to go off for a career high in yards, with a nice signature bowling ball TD run.

the good thing about the hightower platoon is he isn't hitting the rookie wall.

great to see him finishing strong, which will hopefully be a harbinger of bigger things next season.

 
Season totals:

176 Rush 793 yds 7 TDs 4.51 ypc 12 Rec 143 yds 0 TDs 9.5 ypr 4 fumbles 2 lost

131.6 Fantasy Points (-2 per fumble lost)

8.23 Fantasy Points Per Game

He had several decent weeks and had an especially nice run at the end of the season, especially if your Super Bowl is week 16. Got more work as the season went along, but did not show signs to me of being a true feature back and star in this league. Hightower was a factor all season long and Wells is unlikely to become a factor in the passing game. A serviceable starting running back for the Cardinals, however I still doubt he'll be a star.

Future outlook - likely the lead runner in AZ next season, with a prominent 3rd down back/substitute getting considerable work. AZ continues to be a pass heavy team and Wells will need heavy TD production to justify his draft position.

PS - I still stand by everything I wrote in this thread.

 

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