Player Spotlight: Donte Stallworth (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

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Thread Topic: Donte Stallworth, WR, Cleveland Browns

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[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Donte is a player IMO who is going to present great vaule in redraft leagues this year. I am currently targeting him in most of leagues

He will be the third option in the passing behind Braylon and Kellen Winslow. And even if Derrick Anderson struggles, they have a capable backup in Brady Quinn.

His ADP is currently at about 99/100 overall and WR36. In 12 man leagues thats a border line starter.

Projection - 55 catches 780 yards - 14.1 avg 6 Td's

 

[David Yudkin]

I find it interesting that the average of the FBG staff that post projections has Stallworth putting up 38 receptions, 545 yards, and 3 TD this year.

Stallworth has averaged 3.3 receptions, 50 yards, and 0.4 TD per game over his career (works out to 53 receptions, 800 yards, and 6 TD over 16 games). Not even adjusting for games missed, he's averaged 53-784-5 over the last 4 years.

Several staffers do not rank Stallworth in their Top 60 receivers this season . . . which is intriguing especially given that oft travelled Joe Jurevicius ranked 56th last season. Every season that Stallworth has played in 12 games he's ranked significantly higher than that.

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[The Man with the Plan]

By now Donte Stallworth is who he is. An okay receiver who's never had 1000 yards in a season. I wouldn't expect any different now. He's better than Joe Jurevicius though so he should at least put up better numbers than him. I wouldn't expect much more though.

 

[T Bell]

He's tremendous value as a WR3, whose upside relative to ADP is much higher than his downside. In another offense, I'd worry that he's not a PPR guy and he won't maximize his value as a big play threat like we saw in NE last year, especially with Moss getting all of the deep looks, but in Cleveland they'll send him deep, and he's going to have a lot of single coverage.

70/1225/8

 

[David Yudkin]

By now Donte Stallworth is who he is. An okay receiver who's never had 1000 yards in a season. I wouldn't expect any different now. He's better than Joe Jurevicius though so he should at least put up better numbers than him. I wouldn't expect much more though.

This was an interesting concept to me (the "he never had 1,000 yards in a season and don't expect anything different now" part).In a quick pass to see who DID hit 1,000 yards in his 7th season or later (that's what year Stallowrth is in), here's who I came up with (1960 or later):Bobby Engram 12Eddie Kennison 9JT Smith 9Frank Lewis 9Troy Brown 9Reggie Langhorne 9Ed McCaffery 8Brett Perriman 8Quinn Early 8Stephone Paige 8Irving Fryar 8Charlie Joiner 8Cris Carter 7Ahmad Rashad 7Eric Metcalf 7Qadry Ismail 7Johnny Morris 7

 

[The Man with the Plan]

How many of those guys played with a wide receiver like Braylon Edwards and a tight end like Kellen Winslow Jr? Like I said don't expect much (or any) more than what he's done in the past.

 

[T Bell]

How many of those guys played with a wide receiver like Braylon Edwards and a tight end like Kellen Winslow Jr? Like I said don't expect much (or any) more than what he's done in the past.

By now Donte Stallworth is who he is. An okay receiver who's never had 1000 yards in a season. I wouldn't expect any different now. He's better than Joe Jurevicius though so he should at least put up better numbers than him. I wouldn't expect much more though.

This was an interesting concept to me (the "he never had 1,000 yards in a season and don't expect anything different now" part).In a quick pass to see who DID hit 1,000 yards in his 7th season or later (that's what year Stallowrth is in), here's who I came up with (1960 or later):

Bobby Engram 12

Eddie Kennison 9

JT Smith 9

Frank Lewis 9

Troy Brown 9

Reggie Langhorne 9

Ed McCaffery 8

Brett Perriman 8

Quinn Early 8

Stephone Paige 8

Irving Fryar 8

Charlie Joiner 8

Cris Carter 7

Ahmad Rashad 7

Eric Metcalf 7

Qadry Ismail 7

Johnny Morris 7

I'm not going to do an exhaustive search on all these names, but plenty of them had good and even superior WR's opposite them. Rod Smith in Denver, for example, was opposite McCaffery. Frankly, I'd say most of them benefitted from very good WR's on the field with them rather than the opposite. It's not like they suddenly became studs 7 years in, with the possible and rare exception of a guy like Cris Carter (who still had a very talented Jake Reed opposite him).

 

[MAC_32]

I'm going to be paying close attention to Training Camp to see what the Browns have in store for Stallworth. One of the top priorities in OTA's was to develop chemistry between DA and Stallworth, that has to speak for something - his hefty contract does too. Where he's going right now in drafts (WR4) I think he presents great value if nothing else just to wait and see, at that price he is easily replaceable.

 

[David Yudkin]

Here's the list fleshed out to include everyone since 1960:

Bobby Engram 12

Pete Retzlaff 10 (if he counts as a WR)

Eddie Kennison 9

JT Smith 9

Frank Lewis 9

Troy Brown 9

Reggie Langhorne 9

Ed McCaffery 8

Brett Perriman 8

Quinn Early 8

Stephone Paige 8

Irving Fryar 8

Charlie Joiner 8

Freddie Scott

Cris Carter 7

Ahmad Rashad 7

Wallace Francis 7

Eric Metcalf 7

Qadry Ismail 7

Johnny Morris 7

Drew Hill 7

Willie Jackson 7

Terry Barr 7

 

[sfl49er]

I'm quite surprised to see the numbers projected for Donte. Last year when he was put in a explosive offense, he delivered by moving the ball. Even though his numbers werent that high last year, the Browns picked him up to be a goto receiver. If the line protects DA, Donte could get 900-1000 yards. I dont see why not if he plays all year.

 

[bostonfred]

How many of those guys played with a wide receiver like Braylon Edwards and a tight end like Kellen Winslow Jr? Like I said don't expect much (or any) more than what he's done in the past.

By now Donte Stallworth is who he is. An okay receiver who's never had 1000 yards in a season. I wouldn't expect any different now. He's better than Joe Jurevicius though so he should at least put up better numbers than him. I wouldn't expect much more though.

This was an interesting concept to me (the "he never had 1,000 yards in a season and don't expect anything different now" part).In a quick pass to see who DID hit 1,000 yards in his 7th season or later (that's what year Stallowrth is in), here's who I came up with (1960 or later):

Bobby Engram 12

Eddie Kennison 9

JT Smith 9

Frank Lewis 9

Troy Brown 9

Reggie Langhorne 9

Ed McCaffery 8

Brett Perriman 8

Quinn Early 8

Stephone Paige 8

Irving Fryar 8

Charlie Joiner 8

Cris Carter 7

Ahmad Rashad 7

Eric Metcalf 7

Qadry Ismail 7

Johnny Morris 7

I'm not going to do an exhaustive search on all these names, but plenty of them had good and even superior WR's opposite them. Rod Smith in Denver, for example, was opposite McCaffery. Frankly, I'd say most of them benefitted from very good WR's on the field with them rather than the opposite. It's not like they suddenly became studs 7 years in, with the possible and rare exception of a guy like Cris Carter (who still had a very talented Jake Reed opposite him).

From memory, McCaffrey had Sharpe, Rod Smith and oh by the way, a2000 yard rusher in Terrell Davis. He still got 1000 yards and 10 TDs. Perriman lined up with Herman Moore and Johnnie Morton. Cris Carter had Jake Reed, Randy Moss and a surprising Robert Smith. Plus, looking back, we know that those top guys all had good seasons. But Perriman later dropped off the face of the earth while Morton blew up, and Morton and Crowell took over from Herman Moore, whose numbers bottomed out even more unexpectedly. While it's easy to say "that would never happen to Edwards and Winslow", both of them are injury prone players. Stallworth's upside is pretty high, and he's not being drafted as an every week WR. Seems like a pretty good guy to grab.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Here's the list fleshed out to include everyone since 1960:Bobby Engram 12Pete Retzlaff 10 (if he counts as a WR)Eddie Kennison 9JT Smith 9Frank Lewis 9Troy Brown 9Reggie Langhorne 9Ed McCaffery 8Brett Perriman 8Quinn Early 8Stephone Paige 8Irving Fryar 8Charlie Joiner 8Freddie ScottCris Carter 7Ahmad Rashad 7Wallace Francis 7Eric Metcalf 7Qadry Ismail 7Johnny Morris 7Drew Hill 7Willie Jackson 7Terry Barr 7

So of the 1297 WRs who have played long enough to get have at least a 7 year career since 1960 there are 23 that broke 1000 yards for the 1st time after their 6th season?I'll take the under.

 

[T Bell]

How many of those guys played with a wide receiver like Braylon Edwards and a tight end like Kellen Winslow Jr? Like I said don't expect much (or any) more than what he's done in the past.

By now Donte Stallworth is who he is. An okay receiver who's never had 1000 yards in a season. I wouldn't expect any different now. He's better than Joe Jurevicius though so he should at least put up better numbers than him. I wouldn't expect much more though.

This was an interesting concept to me (the "he never had 1,000 yards in a season and don't expect anything different now" part).In a quick pass to see who DID hit 1,000 yards in his 7th season or later (that's what year Stallowrth is in), here's who I came up with (1960 or later):

Bobby Engram 12

Eddie Kennison 9

JT Smith 9

Frank Lewis 9

Troy Brown 9

Reggie Langhorne 9

Ed McCaffery 8

Brett Perriman 8

Quinn Early 8

Stephone Paige 8

Irving Fryar 8

Charlie Joiner 8

Cris Carter 7

Ahmad Rashad 7

Eric Metcalf 7

Qadry Ismail 7

Johnny Morris 7

I'm not going to do an exhaustive search on all these names, but plenty of them had good and even superior WR's opposite them. Rod Smith in Denver, for example, was opposite McCaffery. Frankly, I'd say most of them benefitted from very good WR's on the field with them rather than the opposite. It's not like they suddenly became studs 7 years in, with the possible and rare exception of a guy like Cris Carter (who still had a very talented Jake Reed opposite him).

From memory, McCaffrey had Sharpe, Rod Smith and oh by the way, a2000 yard rusher in Terrell Davis. He still got 1000 yards and 10 TDs. Perriman lined up with Herman Moore and Johnnie Morton. Cris Carter had Jake Reed, Randy Moss and a surprising Robert Smith. Plus, looking back, we know that those top guys all had good seasons. But Perriman later dropped off the face of the earth while Morton blew up, and Morton and Crowell took over from Herman Moore, whose numbers bottomed out even more unexpectedly. While it's easy to say "that would never happen to Edwards and Winslow", both of them are injury prone players. Stallworth's upside is pretty high, and he's not being drafted as an every week WR. Seems like a pretty good guy to grab.

People underestimate how many receivers a good passing attack can support. You can pretty comfortably have three relevant fantasy receivers out of a passing attack that is generating 3500-4000 yards and 25-30 TD's. I think Stallworth is that particular offense's third good fantasy receiver this year.

 

[bostonfred]

So of the 1297 WRs who have played long enough to get have at least a 7 year career since 1960 there are 23 that broke 1000 yards for the 1st time after their 6th season?I'll take the under.

Fair point, but you can't look at it as a 23 in 1297 chance that he'll break 1000 this year. You'd have to trim out the players who had alredy had a 1000 yard season by their seventh year (since they would obviously be excluded from a list of first timers) and further trim the list down to players who were starting receivers. At that point, I'd expect the numbers to look a lot better. I'm not a big Stallworth fan and generally think he's overvalued heading into drafts, but this year he might be a decent vallue. He's had some nice streaks in his career, he's a reasonably solid member of a WR3BC, and if Winslow or Edwards missed any time, you would gladly have him in your starting lineup.

 

[David Yudkin]

So of the 1297 WRs who have played long enough to get have at least a 7 year career since 1960 there are 23 that broke 1000 yards for the 1st time after their 6th season?I'll take the under.

Fair point, but you can't look at it as a 23 in 1297 chance that he'll break 1000 this year. You'd have to trim out the players who had alredy had a 1000 yard season by their seventh year (since they would obviously be excluded from a list of first timers) and further trim the list down to players who were starting receivers. At that point, I'd expect the numbers to look a lot better. I'm not a big Stallworth fan and generally think he's overvalued heading into drafts, but this year he might be a decent vallue. He's had some nice streaks in his career, he's a reasonably solid member of a WR3BC, and if Winslow or Edwards missed any time, you would gladly have him in your starting lineup.

I don't think Stallworth will hit 1000 yards this year either, but not because he isn't capable. More because I don't see the CLE offense being able to sustain three 1000 receiving options (Edwards, Winslow and then Stallworth).And I elieve the 1297 number already weeded out the receivers that had 1000 yard seasons, but I didn't run the numbers.

 

[Fedor Emelianenko]

around WR 30

55rec 875yds 6tds

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Don't get me wrong - I like Stallworth a lot and think he's generally undervalued. But 1000 yards as the 3rd receiving option is probably a bridge too far. How many times has a team had three 1000 yard WR/TEs? That'd be an interesting Q if anyone's got the answer handy...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

And I elieve the 1297 number already weeded out the receivers that had 1000 yard seasons, but I didn't run the numbers.

I just set both starting and ending seasons equal to 7th in the HDD and it said there were 1297 - so I think Bostonfred's got it right, you'd have to eliminate some of them.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Don't get me wrong - I like Stallworth a lot and think he's generally undervalued. But 1000 yards as the 3rd receiving option is probably a bridge too far. How many times has a team had three 1000 yard WR/TEs? That'd be an interesting Q if anyone's got the answer handy...

1980 chargersdan fouts QBjohn jefferson WRkellen winslow TEcharlie joiner WRedit to add:2004 coltspeytonwayneharrisonstokley

 

[gianmarco]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

 

[David Yudkin]

Don't get me wrong - I like Stallworth a lot and think he's generally undervalued. But 1000 yards as the 3rd receiving option is probably a bridge too far. How many times has a team had three 1000 yard WR/TEs? That'd be an interesting Q if anyone's got the answer handy...

1980 chargersdan fouts QBjohn jefferson WRkellen winslow TEcharlie joiner WRedit to add:2004 coltspeytonwayneharrisonstokley

There are a couple more, but I believe that's it.1995 Falcons - Bert Emanuel, Terance Mathis, Eric Metcalf1989 Redskins - Gary Clark, Art Monk, Ricky Sanders

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Don't get me wrong - I like Stallworth a lot and think he's generally undervalued. But 1000 yards as the 3rd receiving option is probably a bridge too far. How many times has a team had three 1000 yard WR/TEs? That'd be an interesting Q if anyone's got the answer handy...

1980 chargersdan fouts QBjohn jefferson WRkellen winslow TEcharlie joiner WRedit to add:2004 coltspeytonwayneharrisonstokley

There are a couple more, but I believe that's it.1995 Falcons - Bert Emanuel, Terance Mathis, Eric Metcalf1989 Redskins - Gary Clark, Art Monk, Ricky Sanders

HiJack in progress...but before I get to that I was a little surprised no one dug up the Houston oilers and the Run n Shoot...1990: H.Jeffries 74/1048/8, Drew Hill 74/1019/5, and Earnest Givens had 72/979/9...some of you will say he didn't have 1,000 yds but with the 3/65 on the ground he clears 1,000 in my book and this would be relevant to what we are debating in here because if Stallworth put up what any of these guys did, we would all be very very happy come draft day. 1991: H.Jeffries 100/1181/7, Drew Hill 90/1109/4, and Givens again just misses with a Deion Branch-like 70/996/5, add in his 4/30 on the ground and again he clears 1,000 yds in my book, again these numbers would make a lot of people that would take Stallworth very very happy as the 3rd option in Cleveland. Givens was 27, same age as Stallworth.Let's talk about some of the factors it will take for Stallworth to be a good investment because there is a lot to talk about. 1. The likelihood of a 3rd option doing well in any offense to the tune of lets say 750+yds, 5-6+ TD...not very high most of the time. Last year, Dallas had one of the best passing attacks in the NFL and Crayton was the 3rd option in the passing game, he didn't hit 1,000 yds but he did have some pretty big games cetain weeks. I'm just not sure I see Cleveland being able to do it again this year. But lets go a little deeper.2. Stallworth started his career scoring 6 TD in his 1st 7 games as a Pro...let me repeat that Stallworth a sa rookie WR scored a TD every game except 1 his 1st 7 games as a pro...and yes he was injured and missed some time even during that streak which is the biggest concern I have really, his health. His 2nd season he only started 3 games and i pretty much throw it out the window. Years 3 and 4 he had games like 9/113/TD, 10/122/TD, 5/113, 8/141, 8/129, 7/83/TD, 6/76/2 TD, 5/`02/TD...he did all this with Joe Horn on the other side of him and Aaron Stinkin Brooks throwing him the football. Now Horn is interesting because while he was a top10-20 WR for many years, he never had the presence of a Randy Moss who I will get around to in minute.Year 5 he is sent packing to Philly and I can remember that 1st game where he ripped 6/141/TD and we all collectively were upset in the SP because we felt we missed the boat on what could be a special connection between McNabb and Stallworth. Next week he posts 5/81/TD and then he basically gets injured and we don't see him again till about week 10...injuries are always a concern with Stallworth who has started only 53 games out of a possible 96 since he has been in the league. Last year he went to NE but they never planned on using him for anything close to 1,000 yds. he did post 46/697/3 TD, however he had a 15+ ypc but with Mr Moss on the other side of him and an even better deep threat than Stallowrth, and Welker catching 100+ ballss, Stallworth simply wasn't a great fit in terms of FF for owners. Now in year 7 he will go to Cleveland and I do think he will o just fine barring injury. KW II has been putting up incredible numbers but there are only so many people that can put up 80+ catches every year as a TE...history is not on his side to do it all over again this year and especially with an upgrade at the WR2. Stallworth is hands down more talented than Joe Jurevicius so get it out of your head that he won't be able to be on the field all the time as long as he is healthy. I hate to do projections but there is no reason if healthy that Stallworth will not be good for somewhere in the 50-60 rec range, 750-900 yds, and maybe 5-8 TD depending on how healthy he is. Edwards will be hard pressed to get 16 TD again, some of those could land other places. 3. And one more note is the fact they do have a tougher schedule but they also have a very strong OL with some depth to it as well. I think you have to assume that they are a strong favorite to not only win a lot of games but also be in every single game. They have an identity on offense finally and i think Stallworth will simply compliment the whole picture.

 

[Portis 26]

It's often said that the reason why certain WRs don't put up better numbers is because there isn't another good WR opposite them to stop them getting double covered.

It's also often said that the reason why certain WRs don't put up better numbers is because there is another good WR opposite them who takes away their production.

One of these arguments has to be wrong.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

It's often said that the reason why certain WRs don't put up better numbers is because there isn't another good WR opposite them to stop them getting double covered.It's also often said that the reason why certain WRs don't put up better numbers is because there is another good WR opposite them who takes away their production.One of these arguments has to be wrong.

Not if you account for the difference between a #1 and a #2 WR:#1 WR - benefits from a decent player opposite him to keep Ds honest.#2 WR - suffers from lack of targets due to role on the team if #1 is significantly better

 

[rzrback77]

There is no question that there has been a paradigm switch for Donte Stallworth. Just two years ago in the summer of 06, he was coming off a 70 catch for 945 yards and 7 TD season as he finished WR 20. He had some hamstring (and likely attitude) problems in the Saints training camp that featured Joe Horn as the #1 WR and had potential star Devery Henderson, and rookies Mike Hass and Marques Colston. Several FBG posters were really high on Hass and Colston, the seventh round pick flew under the radar.

With all these options, new Saints Coach Payton sent Stallworth packing. He hasn't shown a lot since and has been in two high flying passing offenses. Did his confidence take a hit? Or is he still playing the spoiled superstar (when he's not quite the star)?

I think that he is still a fairly talented WR, but he has now been on three teams in three seasons and may not be a quick study learning the new offenses. But, let's look at his numbers.

04 - 16 gms 106 targets 58 catches 55% for 767 yds 13.2 ypc and 5 TDs finished WR 35

05 - 16 gms 129 targets 70 catches 54% for 945 yds 13.5 ypc and 7 TDs finished WR 20

06 - 12 gms 78 targets 38 catches 49% for 725 yds 19.1 ypc and 5 TDs finished WR 36 in only 12 games

07 - 16 gms 75 targets 46 catches 61% for 697 yds 15.2 ypc and 3 TDs finished WR 49

He has only finished lower than WR 36 once even though most would agree that the last two years have been disappointing for Stallworth owners. He is obviously the third receiving option in Cleveland, but there is real potential with an injury to Edwards or Winslow. I think that he will provide minimum value (without a Cleveland injury), but he is also one of those hit and miss WRs that blows up for a few games with a couple of long plays and then nothing for a week or two. Much better on best ball teams than on choose your starters. Another overall year at WR30 something, but too little consistency. When I first looked at the FBGs projections, I thought too low, but after review......

Donte Stallworth 72 targets 41 catches 57% for 600 yards 14.6 ypc and 4 TDs with 40 rush yards and 0 TDs

 

[shadyridr]

He's tremendous value as a WR3, whose upside relative to ADP is much higher than his downside. In another offense, I'd worry that he's not a PPR guy and he won't maximize his value as a big play threat like we saw in NE last year, especially with Moss getting all of the deep looks, but in Cleveland they'll send him deep, and he's going to have a lot of single coverage. 70/1225/8

Are you insane? Hes gonna have his best year ever while being their 3rd option? Im scared to see how you project Edwards & Winslow. Stallworth was the 3rd option in NE last year and didnt even put up those #s.My proj:48 rec, 768 yds, 4 td

 

[Tackling Dummies]

He's tremendous value as a WR3, whose upside relative to ADP is much higher than his downside. In another offense, I'd worry that he's not a PPR guy and he won't maximize his value as a big play threat like we saw in NE last year, especially with Moss getting all of the deep looks, but in Cleveland they'll send him deep, and he's going to have a lot of single coverage. 70/1225/8

Are you insane? Hes gonna have his best year ever while being their 3rd option? Im scared to see how you project Edwards & Winslow. Stallworth was the 3rd option in NE last year and didnt even put up those #s.My proj:48 rec, 768 yds, 4 td

That's 17.5 per reception, a wee bit optimistic. Considering that he was NE's 3rd option, help me understand that 1200 yd number considering that NE threw the ball early and often last season. Cleveland will be playing a legit schedule this season, so the 50/700/5 is the safe bet with all things considered.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

I think that is a pretty good strategy to have with Stallworth. Over the first three and last three games of 07 with the Patriots he had, only 10 receptions, no scores, less than 100 yards. But before the mid point of the year he had a hot streak where he went off so I think you have a very good strategy if you get Donte' and he starts turning up the heat early in the year, that would be the time to sell him while he's hot.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_detail.php?id=3268

... The enigmatic Donte' Stallworth is a tough WR to figure out. What can Browns fans expect from their new free agent WR this year? Will we see the WR from last year who played like a house afire during a three game stretch where he hauled in 14 receptions for 251 yards and three TDs or will we see the player who began the year with 4 catches in the first three games totaling less than 30 yards without scoring or the WR from the last three games who only tallied 6 receptions for 66 yards without scoring?

Others made some great points about the amount of time that he's missed and they are spot on, he has never been able to completely shake a problem with hamstring injuries.

... one issue appeared that year has stuck with him over his career, a problem with hamstring injuries. It was thought the hamstring issue would fade over time as rookies tend to not know how to practice so they are more susceptible to ‘soft tissue' injuries early on but Stallworth's hammy issue have lingered over his career.

In the 2003 season Stallworth's hamstring issues flared up again as he took a step back starting 3 of 11 games and only catching 25 balls for 485 yards. Stallworth missed the bulk of 7 games in 2003 with hamstring issues but when he was healthy he packed a big-play wallop by averaging 19.4 yards per reception. His 25 receptions in 11 games broke out to a career low of 2.3 receptions per game...

Then their is a dicey issue where he may have fallen out of favor of the NFL drug testing police but that can't be confirmed due to league privacy policies.

... big surprise that the Saints announced that they had traded Stallworth to the Philadelphia Eagles during training camp for LB Mark Simoneau and a conditional fourth round draft selection. Donte' was coming off of his most productive season so this move did not make appear to make sense. Speculation rose over a questionable work ethic, others speculated about the ongoing injury concerns, but others whispered rumors over participation in the league's substance abuse program.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reported that Stallworth was a participant in the league substance abuse program which would make him subject to suspension if he violated conditions of the program. If Stallworth were enrolled in the substance abuse program he would already have violated the conditions of the league policy at least once for him to be a participant. The report could not be confirmed due to stringent disclosure policies of the confidentiality agreement by the Players Association who investigated the leak and threatened legal action so this rumor has never been confirmed. Trading away a young WR who seemed to be coming off of a 'breakout' year for a journeyman LB and conditional fourth round draft pick made no sense so the ‘unconfirmed' rumors may have legs.

And then some other points where made about the role Stallworth played with the Pats.

... One thing that should be pointed out is that QB Tom Brady had great protection and was afforded time to allow his first option to get open. He was not forced to check down to his second or third options and it appears that Stallworth was the third option in the Patriot pass catching pecking order.

His role with the Browns is clearly defined, he should be the second option on many more routes with the Browns as it appears he's going to fufill the role as the first check-down option underneath so I expect a slight bump in receptions and yardage, just not sure about a big bump in scores. The Browns have mentioned many, many times that improving YAC (Yardage After Catch) is a priority this year. Jeurevicious was the #2 WR who caught balls underneath but he wasn't able to do anything with those receptions once he had the ball in his hands. YAC is Donte's wheelhouse, he can excel in a clearly defined role that plays to his strengths and working the underneath patterns, which should be the first check-down in the Browns virticle stretch offense, should be an excellent fit.

... Savage, "I think this really clearly defines what each of them will be doing. Donte' brings big speed, but he also has the underneath quickness that we didn't have last year."

Stallworth has had issues with hamstring injuries and that probably will continue, he has also shown inconsistency over his career but recently he possesses undeniable strengths that the Browns will utilize. Stallworth has the speed and explosion to take short routes to house and is elusive with a wicked spin move in a repartee that includes the strength to break tackles and the veteran savvy to follow blockers and gain additional yards after the catch.

Having said all of that, the numbers in the 50 reception, 4-5 TD range, and 750-800 range, are reasonable. Here are Stallworth's career numbers, all quotes/stats taken from same link that goes into more detail. Go to the link for the rest of the article if you're looking for more detail on Stallworth.

http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_detail.php?id=3268

...he has a place secure as the #2 WR and a well defined role to fill for the Browns for this season.

Career statistics

Traded from New Orleans to Philadelphia after the 05 season. Signed as a free agent by New England last year.

2002 NO 13 games 7 starts with 42 rec for 594 yards, 8 TDs, (receptions per game) 3.2

2003 NO 11 games 3 starts with 25 rec for 485 yards, 3 TDs, 2.3

2004 NO 16 games 10 starts with 58 rec for 767 yards, 5 Tds, 3.6

2005 NO 16 games 13 starts with 70 rec for 945 yards, 7 TDs 4.4

2006 PHI 12 games 11 starts with 38 rec for 725 yards, 5 TDs, 3.2

2007 NE 16 games 9 starts with 46 rec for 697 yards, 3 TDs, 2.9

 

[T Bell]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive. He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns. Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

 

[gianmarco]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive.

He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns.

Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

What's deceptive about it?2005--Saints

2006--Eagles

2007--Patriots

2008--Browns

Am I missing something or did I try to misrepresent some facts? Once he suits up with the Browns this year, it will be his 4th team in 4 yrs. You can try to explain the reasons for it, but there's nothing deceptive about that statement. 100% fact.

 

[T Bell]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive.

He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns.

Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

What's deceptive about it?2005--Saints

2006--Eagles

2007--Patriots

2008--Browns

Am I missing something or did I try to misrepresent some facts? Once he suits up with the Browns this year, it will be his 4th team in 4 yrs. You can try to explain the reasons for it, but there's nothing deceptive about that statement. 100% fact.

You're being disingenuous. I made reference to your statement using a shortened version. You said that's "all I need to know about him." I don't think it is.

 

[gianmarco]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive.

He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns.

Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

What's deceptive about it?2005--Saints

2006--Eagles

2007--Patriots

2008--Browns

Am I missing something or did I try to misrepresent some facts? Once he suits up with the Browns this year, it will be his 4th team in 4 yrs. You can try to explain the reasons for it, but there's nothing deceptive about that statement. 100% fact.

You're being disingenuous. I made reference to your statement using a shortened version. You said that's "all I need to know about him." I don't think it is.

I think it about sums him up. If you'd like to get more into it, being a Saint's fan, I've watched him a considerable amount, especially early in his career and during his "breakout" year. He is fast but is a not a very good route runner and doesn't have great hands. He's not the worst WR I've seen, but there's just nothing special about him except for his speed. Far too inconsistent and lacks concentration when it matters most. That's what got him moved out of town. As an aside, Devery Henderson is Stallworth part II, but even less talented. After watching him for those first 4 years in NO, I've come to the conclusion that he just isn't worth owning. I really liked him at first and wanted to give him a shot, but he just continued to disappoint. When he started off hot in Philly, I simply smiled and waited for the other shoe to drop, and it did. When he got traded to NE and put together 3 games in a row with a TD, I waited for the other shoe to drop and it did. He's nothing more than a tease with limited upside and somehow STILL has people clamoring over him. In NFL terms, he's a great fit for Cleveland as he will help stretch the field for KW and Edwards and he will have a big game here and there as a result. That's it. He simply isn't good enough or capable of putting up consistent #'s over the course of the year. I don't target players like that as I can get similar results for much cheaper as I mentioned above (Mason, Galloway, or whatever WW fodder heats up for the year). People predicting 1000+ yds and/or a large amount of TD's just don't realize what kind of player he is, IMO.There, am I still being disingenuous or does my opinion make more sense now with some more background and better explanation. I mean, the guy is only entering his 8th season. None of this is new news or should come as a surprise. And, bottomline, the guy has been on 4 different teams over the last 4 years. That's all I care to know about him any more.

 

[Moldy Potato]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive.

He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns.

Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

What's deceptive about it?2005--Saints

2006--Eagles

2007--Patriots

2008--Browns

Am I missing something or did I try to misrepresent some facts? Once he suits up with the Browns this year, it will be his 4th team in 4 yrs. You can try to explain the reasons for it, but there's nothing deceptive about that statement. 100% fact.

You're being disingenuous. I made reference to your statement using a shortened version. You said that's "all I need to know about him." I don't think it is.

I think it about sums him up. If you'd like to get more into it, being a Saint's fan, I've watched him a considerable amount, especially early in his career and during his "breakout" year. He is fast but is a not a very good route runner and doesn't have great hands. He's not the worst WR I've seen, but there's just nothing special about him except for his speed. Far too inconsistent and lacks concentration when it matters most. That's what got him moved out of town. As an aside, Devery Henderson is Stallworth part II, but even less talented. After watching him for those first 4 years in NO, I've come to the conclusion that he just isn't worth owning. I really liked him at first and wanted to give him a shot, but he just continued to disappoint. When he started off hot in Philly, I simply smiled and waited for the other shoe to drop, and it did. When he got traded to NE and put together 3 games in a row with a TD, I waited for the other shoe to drop and it did. He's nothing more than a tease with limited upside and somehow STILL has people clamoring over him. In NFL terms, he's a great fit for Cleveland as he will help stretch the field for KW and Edwards and he will have a big game here and there as a result. That's it. He simply isn't good enough or capable of putting up consistent #'s over the course of the year. I don't target players like that as I can get similar results for much cheaper as I mentioned above (Mason, Galloway, or whatever WW fodder heats up for the year). People predicting 1000+ yds and/or a large amount of TD's just don't realize what kind of player he is, IMO.There, am I still being disingenuous or does my opinion make more sense now with some more background and better explanation. I mean, the guy is only entering his 8th season. None of this is new news or should come as a surprise. And, bottomline, the guy has been on 4 different teams over the last 4 years. That's all I care to know about him any more.

Couldn't have said it better.I too am a Saints fan, and have therefore paid very close attention to his career. There's a reason he has been on 4 teams in 4 years. True, he didn't leave any of his teams on horrible terms. But he also didn't do anything to prove that he was worth keeping around.

He definitely has some fantasy value, but I agree that he will be more of a tease than anything else.

 

[teamroc]

The ONLY reason why I'd want Stallworth on my team was to wait for him to string 2-3 games together like he does and then trade him for a profit.

4 teams in 4 yrs without ever having a season worth remembering is all I need to know about him, to be honest. He's nothing more than a bye week/injury fill in to me. Not that these guys don't have their place on rosters, but of those guys, Stallworth is actually one of the more costly ones which is why I'm avoiding him. You can get a Derrick Mason or even Joey Galloway for cheaper than Stallworth from what I've seen so far.

"4 teams in 4 years" is a tad deceptive.

He had the misfortune of being traded with one year left on his contract by the defense starved Saints to the WR-deformed Eagles for a mediocre LB. The Eagles screwed up in not resigning him IMHO but, regardless, he signs with the Patriots to be their deep threat, only to watch the Pats pull off a coup in landing Randy Moss only weeks later to effectively put him out of a job before he even steps onto the field. Now he's with the Browns.

Yes, I agree he's not lived up to his potential, but it's not like the guy is some journeyman either.

What's deceptive about it?2005--Saints

2006--Eagles

2007--Patriots

2008--Browns

Am I missing something or did I try to misrepresent some facts? Once he suits up with the Browns this year, it will be his 4th team in 4 yrs. You can try to explain the reasons for it, but there's nothing deceptive about that statement. 100% fact.

You're being disingenuous. I made reference to your statement using a shortened version. You said that's "all I need to know about him." I don't think it is.

I think it is.He's Antonio Bryant without the 1,000 yard season. He's a journeymen WR, bouncing from team to team. If you're starting Stallworth in FF, you pretty much tanked your draft.

 

[David Yudkin]

He's Antonio Bryant without the 1,000 yard season. He's a journeymen WR, bouncing from team to team. If you're starting Stallworth in FF, you pretty much tanked your draft.

Stallworth has averaged 7.3 ppg over his last 4 seasons across 3 different teams. The past three seasons that would have ranked as the #30 WR. IMO, if you can get better starters at other positions and have Stallowrth you are doing ok even if you end up having to start Stallworth or using a WR3BC.

 

[Gatorman]

While I like Stallworth a bit, he really didn't go to the place that was going to make him "shine". He will benefit from the fact that Braylon and Winslow will occupy most teams' gameplanning, but I just don't see him being the Housh to Braylons CJ (or the other way around). He doesn't project to be a possesion guy, and he is no longer on the most potent offense in the NFL (although the Browns are acending in that department). I also do not recall any New England Receivers going to another team and being BETTER than they were in Foxboro.

TO me, he is a marginal WR3/WR4. His best value may be his name, as some FF Fish may be willing to trade for him and give up a better guy if stallworth starts the season with a TD or something.

 

[David Yudkin]

I also do not recall any New England Receivers going to another team and being BETTER than they were in Foxboro.

Given that there were really only 4 options to review (Branch, Givens, Patten, and Caldwell) and 3 of them blew out their knees, there's not a whole lot to discuss here. (Although Patten was close to his Pats totals last year.)I don't love Stallworth either, but he is in position to put up decent numbers . . . at least better than where a lot of people are projecting him and maybe even better than where he's getting drafted. Long story short, it depends where he gets drafted to determine if he's a value pick or not. But Jurevicius needing more surgery and potentially being limited or out all year won't hurt Stallworth's stock any.

 

[burd]

IDK what the deal is w/ Donte ... he's been on very good offensive teams but has never been able to make a name for himself. He's kind of disappeared into the background.

I do think that he'll be a nice complement to Braylon and Winslow and I can see him finding his nitch as the team's leading YPC guy.

It'll be tough for Donte to attain 1000 yards playign alongside Braylon and WInslow, but I see Donte getting 800 yards and 8 TDs.

 

[T Bell]

IDK what the deal is w/ Donte ... he's been on very good offensive teams but has never been able to make a name for himself. He's kind of disappeared into the background. I do think that he'll be a nice complement to Braylon and Winslow and I can see him finding his nitch as the team's leading YPC guy. It'll be tough for Donte to attain 1000 yards playign alongside Braylon and WInslow, but I see Donte getting 800 yards and 8 TDs.

The only "very good offensive teams" I can think of that he was on were the 2006 Eagles and the 2007 Pats. He did perform with the Eagles but was injured, and when he returned McNabb was injured. As I said above his role got taken away by Randy Moss on the Pats after he was signed. I'm not saying the guy's going to be a stud, but IMHO he's another Eddie Kennison type who can put up good WR2 fantasy numbers later in his career after he's found the right place . . . which I think he has in Cleveland.

 

[Gatorman]

I also do not recall any New England Receivers going to another team and being BETTER than they were in Foxboro.

Given that there were really only 4 options to review (Branch, Givens, Patten, and Caldwell) and 3 of them blew out their knees, there's not a whole lot to discuss here. (Although Patten was close to his Pats totals last year.)I don't love Stallworth either, but he is in position to put up decent numbers . . . at least better than where a lot of people are projecting him and maybe even better than where he's getting drafted. Long story short, it depends where he gets drafted to determine if he's a value pick or not. But Jurevicius needing more surgery and potentially being limited or out all year won't hurt Stallworth's stock any.

David, I do not disagree with you. However, Stallworth may be one of those players whose ADP is deceiving, because the people drafting now are fairly computer savvy. He has name recognition from being on the patriots, which means joe schmoe magazine drafter may take him a lot earlier without realizing he has moved to the Browns. I think his ADP will rise, not because of value, but because of general FF ignorance. I think he has all the "tools" to be a great WR, but the fact that he is in Cleveland vs. Philly shows that he is not a WR 1 in the league, so automatically that makes him a WR 3 in Fantasy. Add to the fact that winslow is there, he becomes a 3/4 WR choice. Sure if he is around late, I will take him over the likes of a Jerry porter, but I think some of the guys going after him have a lot more upside.

 

[teamroc]

He's Antonio Bryant without the 1,000 yard season. He's a journeymen WR, bouncing from team to team. If you're starting Stallworth in FF, you pretty much tanked your draft.

Stallworth has averaged 7.3 ppg over his last 4 seasons across 3 different teams. The past three seasons that would have ranked as the #30 WR. IMO, if you can get better starters at other positions and have Stallowrth you are doing ok even if you end up having to start Stallworth or using a WR3BC.

Whenever someone quotes PPG it means the guy is an injury prone mess. WR rankings don't stop at 9 games.

 

[David Yudkin]

I also do not recall any New England Receivers going to another team and being BETTER than they were in Foxboro.

Given that there were really only 4 options to review (Branch, Givens, Patten, and Caldwell) and 3 of them blew out their knees, there's not a whole lot to discuss here. (Although Patten was close to his Pats totals last year.)I don't love Stallworth either, but he is in position to put up decent numbers . . . at least better than where a lot of people are projecting him and maybe even better than where he's getting drafted. Long story short, it depends where he gets drafted to determine if he's a value pick or not. But Jurevicius needing more surgery and potentially being limited or out all year won't hurt Stallworth's stock any.

David, I do not disagree with you. However, Stallworth may be one of those players whose ADP is deceiving, because the people drafting now are fairly computer savvy. He has name recognition from being on the patriots, which means joe schmoe magazine drafter may take him a lot earlier without realizing he has moved to the Browns. I think his ADP will rise, not because of value, but because of general FF ignorance. I think he has all the "tools" to be a great WR, but the fact that he is in Cleveland vs. Philly shows that he is not a WR 1 in the league, so automatically that makes him a WR 3 in Fantasy. Add to the fact that winslow is there, he becomes a 3/4 WR choice. Sure if he is around late, I will take him over the likes of a Jerry porter, but I think some of the guys going after him have a lot more upside.

Stallworth went 37th in a league I finished up drafting in recently. I didn't take him and he went right after I passedon him. That's probably the "right spot" for him, but he would have needed to fall all the way around for me to take him.I will have to do some digging as to what happened in NE, because he had a hot stretch last year and then pretty much lost his job to Gaffney with very little fanfare.IMO, he has the chance to be a higher scoring WR3 or a lower scoring WR4 but probably no worse than that (which was why I was wondering about the staff guys that did not have him in their Top 60 receivers).

 

[David Yudkin]

He's Antonio Bryant without the 1,000 yard season. He's a journeymen WR, bouncing from team to team. If you're starting Stallworth in FF, you pretty much tanked your draft.

Stallworth has averaged 7.3 ppg over his last 4 seasons across 3 different teams. The past three seasons that would have ranked as the #30 WR. IMO, if you can get better starters at other positions and have Stallowrth you are doing ok even if you end up having to start Stallworth or using a WR3BC.

Whenever someone quotes PPG it means the guy is an injury prone mess. WR rankings don't stop at 9 games.

He's played in 60 of 64 games over the past 4 years. That's 94% of the time. Not sure why you are getting bent out of shape over this.Maybe you like straight averages instead. He's averaged 100 points scored over the past 4 years WITH NO ADJUSTMENT FOR TIME MISSED. Over the past 4 years, that would rank him anywhere from 33 to 36 (so still a WR3 in a 12-team league).

 

[gianmarco]

I also do not recall any New England Receivers going to another team and being BETTER than they were in Foxboro.

Given that there were really only 4 options to review (Branch, Givens, Patten, and Caldwell) and 3 of them blew out their knees, there's not a whole lot to discuss here. (Although Patten was close to his Pats totals last year.)I don't love Stallworth either, but he is in position to put up decent numbers . . . at least better than where a lot of people are projecting him and maybe even better than where he's getting drafted. Long story short, it depends where he gets drafted to determine if he's a value pick or not. But Jurevicius needing more surgery and potentially being limited or out all year won't hurt Stallworth's stock any.

David, I do not disagree with you. However, Stallworth may be one of those players whose ADP is deceiving, because the people drafting now are fairly computer savvy. He has name recognition from being on the patriots, which means joe schmoe magazine drafter may take him a lot earlier without realizing he has moved to the Browns. I think his ADP will rise, not because of value, but because of general FF ignorance. I think he has all the "tools" to be a great WR, but the fact that he is in Cleveland vs. Philly shows that he is not a WR 1 in the league, so automatically that makes him a WR 3 in Fantasy. Add to the fact that winslow is there, he becomes a 3/4 WR choice. Sure if he is around late, I will take him over the likes of a Jerry porter, but I think some of the guys going after him have a lot more upside.

Stallworth went 37th in a league I finished up drafting in recently. I didn't take him and he went right after I passedon him. That's probably the "right spot" for him, but he would have needed to fall all the way around for me to take him.I will have to do some digging as to what happened in NE, because he had a hot stretch last year and then pretty much lost his job to Gaffney with very little fanfare.

IMO, he has the chance to be a higher scoring WR3 or a lower scoring WR4 but probably no worse than that (which was why I was wondering about the staff guys that did not have him in their Top 60 receivers).

First of all, I think you have that backwards. He has the chance to be a lower scoring WR3 or a higher scoring WR4. Either way, you can say that about a lot of WR's. Jerry Porter, V. Jackson, DJ Hackett, D. Mason, Bryant Johnson, A. Battle, etc., etc. There's very few WR's that are starting in the league that you can't say that about. Problem is, of most of the guys with that same potential, Stallworth carries one of the highest pricetags of the bunch. He's being drafted higher than most of these other guys normally. The other problem is that most of these other guys are either younger with potential or older but more productive. Donte is entering his EIGHTH year in the NFL and simply has not produced. He's able to string together a few big games here and there a la Kevin Curtis and disappoints the rest. He is not a guy you really want to be starting every week and I see no reason why that would change this year. He's had that chance in NO, Philly, and NE already and simply hasn't capitalized on it. I think people are seeing his few high game logs + Cleveland's 2007 offense and thinking that = high potential. Watch Stallworth actually play a few games and you will see that equation is about as valid as 2 + 2 = 6.

 

[David Yudkin]

I count 7th year, but whatever . . .

 

[gianmarco]

I count 7th year, but whatever . . .

Sorry, 7th year. Doesn't change the point that much, though...

 

[MaddHatter]

Hot stretch, what hot stretch?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...lDo00_games.htm

His only 100 yd games came in week 12 and 14. Gaffney didn't start seeing major burn until week 15.

Stallworth is and always will be "Stallworth-less"

If he couldn't be a stud in that offense last year, or in New Orleans when for a three year stretch, Aaron Brooks and Peyton Manning were the only two QBs to post 3100/22 (minimal) in 3 consecutive seasons... He will never do it. Especially in the Browns offense which is like a housing market bubble that is ready to crash.

Real talk.

 

[David Yudkin]

Hot stretch, what hot stretch?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...lDo00_games.htm

His only 100 yd games came in week 12 and 14. Gaffney didn't start seeing major burn until week 15.

Stallworth is and always will be "Stallworth-less"

If he couldn't be a stud in that offense last year, or in New Orleans when for a three year stretch, Aaron Brooks and Peyton Manning were the only two QBs to post 3100/22 (minimal) in 3 consecutive seasons... He will never do it. Especially in the Browns offense which is like a housing market bubble that is ready to crash.

Real talk.

Stallworth put up 14-252-3 in weeks 5-7 last week. After that, not much.

 

[Chairshot]

Braylon Edwards is coming off of a 1300 yard season. Kellen Winslow is coming off a 1100 season. Joe Jurevicius got 600.

Derek Anderson threw 527 passes last year and there were 551 the year before. Lets assume we have 525 pass attempts and thus 525 targets for receivers.

Edwards is going to get 150 or so. Winslow will get another 140-150. So there is 300 of your targets right there. Throw in another 50 for misc backup WRs and TEs and you are looking at about 175 targets left.

Peel off another 100 for RBs. 75 left. We are talking maybe 75-90 targets for Jurevicius and Stallworth to split up, because Edwards and Winslow are going to get theirs and the RBs will get their fair share.

All those targets went to Jurevicius last year (81 targets to be specific). If he misses time, that's one thing. If they pass more then they did, that's another.

But as things stand now, I don't see how I could project more then 50 targets for Stallworth, if I'm being very generous. That's assuming he outplays JJ and the coaching staff likes him better, which is far from a lock. He is a deep ball threat, so his yards per catch will be high. But 50 targets doesn't seem to be enough to make a real impact.

My projections: 35 receptions, 550 yards, 4 TDs

If Jurevicius goes down for any length of time, his projections go up quite a bit. Until then, I don't think there are enough balls to go around for Stallworth to really help you out.