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which would make him very similar to Kevin Walter's 60 catches for 900 yards and 8 TDs which is around 15% of Houston's receptions. I dont think anyone is arguing that hes a WR1 in fantasy, but top offenses can produce valuable #2 WRs on their squads.
i think the scuttlebutt has him playing in the next preseason game. it will be his first "live" action...
these are key players for people who dont have a WR after the first 3 rounds
There is a pretty big difference between 45 catches and 60 catches.....between 600-700 yds & 6 TDs or 900 yds & 8 TDs. One guy is a worthwhile backup, the other guy is a starter. In other words, projecting that Moore will get 15% of catches vs 12% makes a huge difference; I don't think you can simply wave it away and say "no big deal".
this is the most salient point regarding moore. he's likely not going to repeat his production from last year for a whole host of reasons (healthy players, emerging WR talent, emphasis on the running game, improved defense, etc). i think arguing about which one is pretty silly.
Kevin Walter is 6'3 220 and averaged 15 y/c last year, Moore is 5'9 180 and averaged 11.7 y/c. Over 60 catches that's a 200 yard difference between the two, even if he gets the same number of catches he has to increase his y/c well above last year to match Walter's production.
you are so busy being argumentative to see they have similar projections, which is all I stated. I didnt say Moore will put up those exact numbers, but his range is very similar to Walters.
I took him as my #5 in the 11th, which I think is great value.
They fall in similar projection ranges.....maybe....particularly if you use faulty analysis.
oh, yeah, i think you did quite well for yourself there...
Lol- you compared Moore to Walter. Walter is the #2 or the #2a on his team in targets and averaged 15 y/c. Moore got a ton of targets when the #1 and #2 targets missed a bunch of time and a potential #3 (in Shockey) also missed a lot of time + there is a young, talented, high draft pick who had a great camp in the mix. Their situations aren't comparable. Their skill sets are very comparable, their projections aren't comparable. Moore needs at least one injury this year to break 700 yards receiving and probably 2 (or one very serious one).
OK, there were 5 games that both Colston and Bush played with Moore. Week 1 - Moore got 4 targets (he was a backup and didn't get much pt until week 3), Week 7- Moore got 6 targets, Week 13- Moore got 6 targets, Week 14- Moore got 6 targets, Week 15- Moore got 8 targets. So thats 30 targets in 5 games= 6 targets per game, times 16 games= 96 targets for the season. His catch percentage will likely be near what it was the past 2 seasons- 66.4% in 2008 and 67.7% in 2007. So that is 63-65 catches for the season.The Man With No Name said:
Here are Moore's game logs from last seasonWeek 1: 2-17-0
True, but is Bush going to stay healthy for all 16? Is Shockey? If you use the games that Bush or Bush/Shockey were out you get 4.4/54.1/0.67, projected out to 16 games that is 71/866/11. He won't be that good but the midpoint of that plus the #s you posted is 60-600-7
Good post. My problem with Moore is where he's being drafted. If Bush/Colston DO stay healthy, I don't think he is startable.
Very interesting. This is the analysis that I was too lazy to do. Small sample size indeed, but still interesting.
To make a small sample smaller, he was not a starter weeks 1-3.
would you guys say that this makes Moore the elusive WR handcuff? If you draft Colston early, draft Moore later on...makes some good sense.
I think this very well might be one of those situations...and he might be a handcuff to Bush in a similar sense if you are weak at WR. The problem is I think he would be taken earlier than I would take him because someone is invariably going to draft him off of last years numbers without knowing the "why" of them.I like Moore as a player and I wish he was in a better situation. Unfortunately, I conceive that his role in that offense overlaps significantly with that of Bush and Shockey and Brees is smart enough to spread the ball around when needed but to look for Colston and Bush before Moore.
Isn't Moore going too high for that?
He should be. I'm not sure many trust him to be a #3 FFB WR just yet, but he makes an outstanding #4. I benched H.Ward (my #3) for Moore a few times last year. It never worked out well when I did, but he usually scored well enough to make me do it more than once. Honestly, I think he stands on his own well enough to take with Colston anyways, and then you have TWO monsters when Bush is out (and that could be for quite a few games).
Wes Welker has been significantly better than the #3-#X options for the Patriots the past 2 years. With Bush, Shockey, Henderson and Meachem I don't think this is the case for Moore. He could catch 80 balls for 1,000 yards and 7 TDs or he could catch 60 balls for 700+5. Either way its unlikely that he catches 115 like Welker has done the past 2 years.
Lance Moore is white? I thought he was a black/bi-racial guy? Just curious.
Moore is not White....but I am not sure what that has to do with anything......I just sold Moore after his last preseason game....I just don't think he can get the looks with all the options in NO
I wouldn't get involved with LM unless you were to stash him away on a deep dyno roster.
Yes, he's played exactly one game fully healthy and went 6 for 78 and a TD.
See D.
