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Player Spotlight: Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars (1 Viewer)

If I were mjd, in a contract year, I would take hgh. We are talking about millions of dollars, for a guy who really hasn't had that monster payday. Look at the deal sjax got, and add a few million. If someone offered me millions to take hgh right now, I would probably say yes. And I believe hgh would make him play well despite the lis franc and bone on bone.

Does that mean I think mjd is on the juice? No. But I play the odds. Let's say I think the odds look like this:

40% juices and is a stud

10% juices and sucks

20% doesn't juice and is a stud

30% doesn't juice and sucks

Then we are looking at a 60% chance of studliness.

 
Does that mean I think mjd is on the juice? No. But I play the odds. Let's say I think the odds look like this:

40% juices and is a stud

10% juices and sucks

20% doesn't juice and is a stud

30% doesn't juice and sucks
I checked this out. It does add up to 100%.

 
Look, we can naively pretend that players don't use illegal substances to recover quickly from injuries, or we can account for the possibility that they will when we decide how to draft them. I think the odds of MJD recovering from a Lis Franc in less than a year without drugs are worse than 50/50, but I think his odds of recovery with drugs are better than 50/50, and I think the odds of him taking drugs to do it are at least 50/50. So I think there's a better than 50/50 chance of him making a "miraculous" recovery, either because he worked his tail off, or because he took the newest supplements. From a gambling perspective (and nothing more) I'm ambivalent how he got healthy. I just want to know the odds that he will get healthy and play to his previous level.

You might feel strongly that he will or won't juice, and you might feel strongly that he will or won't perform up to his previous standards one way or the other. But it's silly to pretend that a guy at the tail end of his career, worried about being a 29 year old free agent running back who missed back to back years with a foot injury, will "just say no" without thinking about his options. And if he does hit the clear and the cream, or whatever they're using these days, then he could have a "Peterson like" recovery - just like RG3 seems to be having.

It might be taboo to talk about this stuff, but if you're an intelligent gambler, you have to take it into consideration, don't you?

 
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Look, we can naively pretend that players don't use illegal substances to recover quickly from injuries, or we can account for the possibility that they will when we decide how to draft them. I think the odds of MJD recovering from a Lis Franc in less than a year without drugs are worse than 50/50, but I think his odds of recovery with drugs are better than 50/50, and I think the odds of him taking drugs to do it are at least 50/50. So I think there's a better than 50/50 chance of him making a "miraculous" recovery, either because he worked his tail off, or because he took the newest supplements. From a gambling perspective (and nothing more) I'm ambivalent how he got healthy. I just want to know the odds that he will get healthy and play to his previous level.

You might feel strongly that he will or won't juice, and you might feel strongly that he will or won't perform up to his previous standards one way or the other. But it's silly to pretend that a guy at the tail end of his career, worried about being a 29 year old free agent running back who missed back to back years with a foot injury, will "just say no" without thinking about his options. And if he does hit the clear and the cream, or whatever they're using these days, then he could have a "Peterson like" recovery - just like RG3 seems to be having.

It might be taboo to talk about this stuff, but if you're an intelligent gambler, you have to take it into consideration, don't you?
So, what are you getting at in regards to MoJo? Good season or no?

Feel free to start another thread about PEDs because I'd love to discuss it with you but don't want to hijack this thread.

 
That is exactly how I read it at first. It is very strange that they are building the running scheme around the back-up, not the starter. What it means, who knows? Maybe they are giving up on MJD, maybe they arent as confindent that he will be ready to play by week 1.

rdrouyn I have had this change of blocking scheme rolling around in my head the past day or so and I wanted to mention that the change to the ZBS does further show that the offense is not being built around MJD. Otherwise they would have stayed with what was working with him before.

The change is partly due to improved athleticism on the offensive line. But perhaps the biggest thing to take away from this is that the ZBS is better suited for back up Justin Forsett than a power scheme would be. So the change does seem to be more for the situation where MJD is no longer with the team or if he is not able to play every game this season.

I think MJD can be successful in either scheme. But the scheme further suggests that the Jaguars will let MJD walk in 2014.
Or maybe they know something they aren't revealing to the public. Would it be the first time that has happened in the NFL?

Lisfranc is just so scary, regardless of the player, age, etc. You hope for the best but I think you have to be a little more mindful of certain injuries.

 
You have to absolutely love the 'bone on bone' stuff. There was a an unsubstantiated rumor about that two years ago. Since then he's played through two training camps and 20+ NFL games with a full workload and no ill effects in the knee. But people still bring it up.
...and he was the NFL rushing champion during that time.
and hes only 28
Even though I'm not one of the guys that subscribes to the "30 is death" mantra for RBs, I wonder why we are hearing so much "yeah but..." in this case.

In the last three years, Arian Foster has been the top Rb in fantasy and a top 3 each year. He has carried the ball 956 times and has had one injury (hamstring) sideline him for a period. People are all over the boards saying "watch out, he's wearing down."

In the last three years, Adrian Peterson has been the top fantasy Rb one year, has carried the ball 945 times in his last 3 full seasons and has had a significant injury (ACL) sideline him. He is also the same age as MJD. You hardly ever hear anyone say they are worried about his cummulative workload or his age.

In the last three years, MJD has been a top ff RB, has carried the ball 954 time and has had one of the scariest injury a RB can have (Lisfranc that requires surgery) sideline him. He has, from his own mouth, reported a bone on bone condition. He is 28.

Despite similar scenarios for these three top RBs, you can see that the youngest one with the least significant injury is typically the one that gets "warned" about more than the others, Adrian gets a complete pass because, in the minds of many, he is the 2nd coming, and MJD is squarely in the middle. To me, it is completely obvious that these entire discussions are so biased based on "whose ox is getting gored" that it is entirely pointless to volley these points back and forth. THe MJD owners are going to point up..The non-owners are going to point down.

There is a lot of good info in this thread (someone mentioning that MJD actually ran in a ZBS in college is something I am sure a lot of people didn't know or had forgotten). But to take much more from it than the nuggets some people have to share is about it. THe injury is the one key point that I think bears watching. Those are tough and will probably tell the entire story. We know he is a great player. We know he can do things. But what none of us know is the status of the injury.

 
"Maurice Jones-Drew has been cleared by the Jacksonville Jaguars' medical staff to participate in training camp, although he will be brought along slowly, coach Gus Bradley said Tuesday."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9502766/maurice-jones-drew-cleared-jacksonville-jaguars-training-camp
This is good news. In the article it does mention that MJD bulked up to 230lbs at one point but that he hopes to be back to his more normal weight of 212-215 by the start of the season.

I feel like I have let some of the doubts about MJD get to me. Earlier this spring thought MJD would be a good buy in dynasty leagues due to fuzzy situation and being 28 when a lot of owners look to sell RB. But then finding out he really did have a lisfranc injury and the late surgery made me nervous, and the bulking up. These things still worry me somewhat, but if MJD is healthy I expect him to do very well.

Something that bothers me from the story however is this. If MJD was working out as if he was not injured like he says, then why did he put on 20 some pounds? Something was different about his training.

 
Something that bothers me from the story however is this. If MJD was working out as if he was not injured like he says, then why did he put on 20 some pounds? Something was different about his training.
Or something was different about his diet.
He put the weight on before he could start running again. Since then he's come down from 230 to ~220 (from the sound of his comments).

Nice to hear he's been sprinting up hills with no setbacks though.

 
Still a wait and see situation. I'd love it if he could play a little bit in a preseason game just to see if he can cut and what not. I'll have a tough decision on whether to keep him or Sproles coming up in a month.

 
This is good news. In the article it does mention that MJD bulked up to 230lbs at one point but that he hopes to be back to his more normal weight of 212-215 by the start of the season.

I feel like I have let some of the doubts about MJD get to me. Earlier this spring thought MJD would be a good buy in dynasty leagues due to fuzzy situation and being 28 when a lot of owners look to sell RB. But then finding out he really did have a lisfranc injury and the late surgery made me nervous, and the bulking up. These things still worry me somewhat, but if MJD is healthy I expect him to do very well.

Something that bothers me from the story however is this. If MJD was working out as if he was not injured like he says, then why did he put on 20 some pounds? Something was different about his training.
He was probably talking about since he began training again, which was only fairly recently. He went several months without being able to work out at all.

 
MJD as your RB2 (where he's being drafted) can win you a league, much like CJ2K

Im all in for him come draft time, and he suffers no setbacks

 
MJD as your RB2 (where he's being drafted) can win you a league, much like CJ2K

Im all in for him come draft time, and he suffers no setbacks
Let's say you have an early or mid first round pick. You take an elite RB1 with that pick. Coming back around you have your choice of CJ?K or MJD. Which one do you take? Today? After 2-3 pre season games if MJD looks pretty good?

 
MJD as your RB2 (where he's being drafted) can win you a league, much like CJ2K

Im all in for him come draft time, and he suffers no setbacks
Let's say you have an early or mid first round pick. You take an elite RB1 with that pick. Coming back around you have your choice of CJ?K or MJD. Which one do you take? Today? After 2-3 pre season games if MJD looks pretty good?
if they both show promise, and no injuries.... itd be hard.

flip a coin, maybe?

if i HAD to choose, cj2k, I think

 
Jones-Drew completed his first workout with the team since a season-ending foot injury in October. He competed without setbacks, without pain and without apprehension -- all positive signs for the three-time Pro Bowler and for the rebuilding Jaguars.

"It just feels comfortable making those cuts and knowing there's no pain in the foot, ankle, whatever," Jones-Drew said. "Not running for eight months, it's like, 'Can I still do it?' But I've been playing football for 20 years and it's just natural."

The bigger test will be seeing how his left foot feels after a couple days, maybe even a few weeks.

"The main thing for me is just getting back to where I can carry the ball 20 or 25 times a game," he added. "Obviously, right now, I feel like I can do it. But it's different when you're getting the ball play after play after play."

Jones-Drew got about a dozen repetitions with the first-team offense Friday. His best play was his last, when he caught a pass and reached full stride before getting touched down.

"I feel like I had a little burst," he said. "I feel like I did some old stuff. I just want to continue that and continue on that track."
Will be interesting to see what happens to his ADP if he gets to Week 1 with no setbacks.

 
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steroids dont help dislocations and fractures. they help muscle and tendon repair.
They help the muscle and tendons around the joint that was dislocated....I know I have had 4 shoulder dislocations....and the worst part of that kind of injury is that it stretches all the muscles and tendons when it separates from he socket.....and steroids helps repair that faster

 
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MJD is currently going mid 2nd with guys like Frank Gore and Reggie Bush still on the board. Santonio Holmes (who also had the Lisfranc injury last year) might start the season on the PUP list.

We might get our first glimpse of MJD tonight but his injury combined with him being on what is probably the worst team in the league is too much of a risk for me for an RB2 at this point.

 
MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

I can't be the only one concerned here.

Help.

 
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MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

Help.
He's wearing a sweatshirt, I don't really see how he looks "fat" there.

For me, the conditioning isn't a glaring concern at all. I give him an obvious pass for being out of shape earlier since he couldn't do anything for several months, and from everything I've read, he seems to be in pretty good shape now.

IMO, it all comes down to the foot- if it's a non-factor, he'll be a solid RB 1 with a legit shot at top 5. If it's an issue, all bets are off.

 
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He's supposedly down to 218 or something. I don't think the extra five are what you're seeing there.

Biased owner here, but given no problems with the foot at all so far I'm expecting pretty good production.

 
MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

Help.
For me, the conditioning isn't a glaring concern at all. I give him an obvious pass for being out of shape earlier since he couldn't do anything for several months, and from everything I've read, he seems to be in pretty good shape now.

IMO, it all comes down to the foot- if it's a non-factor, he'll be a solid RB 1 with a legit shot at top 5. If it's an issue, all bets are off.
Agree with all of this, and I'm not even that worried about the foot.

Would you expect anything different out of Jags camp other than "everything's great", though? I'm just not sure how much I trust that vs. my own eyes.

I want to like him. It's all there for him this year. I just can't get over what my eyes are seeing.

 
MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

Help.
For me, the conditioning isn't a glaring concern at all. I give him an obvious pass for being out of shape earlier since he couldn't do anything for several months, and from everything I've read, he seems to be in pretty good shape now.

IMO, it all comes down to the foot- if it's a non-factor, he'll be a solid RB 1 with a legit shot at top 5. If it's an issue, all bets are off.
Agree with all of this, and I'm not even that worried about the foot.

Would you expect anything different out of Jags camp other than "everything's great", though? I'm just not sure how much I trust that vs. my own eyes.

I want to like him. It's all there for him this year. I just can't get over what my eyes are seeing.
Well, earlier reports from camp were that he was fat, so it isn't as if they are sugar coating everything.

I guess my eyes aren't seeing what yours are. Honestly, if anything I think he looks better in the first picture you posted than the 2nd, although the sweats make it very difficult to tell. I watched him play in the preseason, and while he didn't look quite 100% to me, he was close enough that he could get there by the time the season starts IMO. Even if he stays slightly heavy he'll put up good numbers if his foot holds out.

 
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MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

Help.
For me, the conditioning isn't a glaring concern at all. I give him an obvious pass for being out of shape earlier since he couldn't do anything for several months, and from everything I've read, he seems to be in pretty good shape now.

IMO, it all comes down to the foot- if it's a non-factor, he'll be a solid RB 1 with a legit shot at top 5. If it's an issue, all bets are off.
Agree with all of this, and I'm not even that worried about the foot.

Would you expect anything different out of Jags camp other than "everything's great", though? I'm just not sure how much I trust that vs. my own eyes.

I want to like him. It's all there for him this year. I just can't get over what my eyes are seeing.
Well, earlier reports from camp were that he was fat, so it isn't as if they are sugar coating everything.

I guess my eyes aren't seeing what yours are. Honestly, if anything I think he looks better in the first picture you posted than the 2nd, although the sweats make it very difficult to tell. I watched him play in the preseason, and while he didn't look quite 100% to me, he was close enough that he could get there by the time the season starts IMO. Even if he stays slightly heavy he'll put up good numbers if his foot holds out.
Good stuff. Thanks for the insight/thoughts. Eases my mind just a little bit, and admittedly I have not seen him play this preseason at all. Did he look reasonably quick still?

 
It's the end for MJD. He not only had the worst type on injury in the world for a RB outside of death but he also has that bone on bone knee that is degrading every day. He'll give it a go but won't be able to finish much of the season.

82 carries/222 yards

9 rec/54 yards

1 total TD
When the regular season starts and if he is active, I bet 100.00 he scores more than one touchdown.
Yea that's a joke comment. I'd bet $100 right now that he beats those totals... probably by week 3.

 
MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

Help.
For me, the conditioning isn't a glaring concern at all. I give him an obvious pass for being out of shape earlier since he couldn't do anything for several months, and from everything I've read, he seems to be in pretty good shape now.

IMO, it all comes down to the foot- if it's a non-factor, he'll be a solid RB 1 with a legit shot at top 5. If it's an issue, all bets are off.
Agree with all of this, and I'm not even that worried about the foot.

Would you expect anything different out of Jags camp other than "everything's great", though? I'm just not sure how much I trust that vs. my own eyes.

I want to like him. It's all there for him this year. I just can't get over what my eyes are seeing.
Well, earlier reports from camp were that he was fat, so it isn't as if they are sugar coating everything.

I guess my eyes aren't seeing what yours are. Honestly, if anything I think he looks better in the first picture you posted than the 2nd, although the sweats make it very difficult to tell. I watched him play in the preseason, and while he didn't look quite 100% to me, he was close enough that he could get there by the time the season starts IMO. Even if he stays slightly heavy he'll put up good numbers if his foot holds out.
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you can't really take any kind of reliable comparison from those two pictures considering they're from different angles and distances, and MJD's wearing a giant floppy sweatshirt in the "fat" pic. I thought he looked pretty good in preseason action and would be glad to have him as my RB2 with RB1 upside.

 
Good stuff. Thanks for the insight/thoughts. Eases my mind just a little bit, and admittedly I have not seen him play this preseason at all. Did he look reasonably quick still?
He only played a handful of snaps, but yes- not quite as quick as he was just yet, but still plenty enough to get the job done.

 
Another factor of why I like him so much is that he is in a contract year. We know he won't be back with the Jags after his failed holdout last year. He has to be highly motivated to play like a beast so that he lands a fat new contract with a much better team next year.

 
MJD is currently going mid 2nd with guys like Frank Gore and Reggie Bush still on the board. Santonio Holmes (who also had the Lisfranc injury last year) might start the season on the PUP list.

We might get our first glimpse of MJD tonight but his injury combined with him being on what is probably the worst team in the league is too much of a risk for me for an RB2 at this point.
I'm thrilled to have him as my RB2 in my main league. Taken 3.02, 12 team league, standard scoring. Very happy with that. (backed by Lacy on the bench doesn't hurt)

MJD is a guy that I just can't seem to decide whether I like this year or not. I'm surprised there's not more discussion around him.

What's to like: Workload, talent, history of production, offensive line. Pretty much everything. I'm not concerned about the injury. I'm of the belief that modern technology and "supplements" have become absurdly good and what used to be a career-ender is now a 7 month recovery back to 98% of what the player was. He's a fantastic player. Led the league in rushing 2011, was leading the league in rushing 2012 before he got hurt. Could represent enormous value in the 2nd/early 3rd round.

There's just one glaring concern for me. It might sound really stupid (I'm sure someone will tell me that it is), but I can't get past it.

He's fat.

This picture: http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/6fDxyFSMyUzekTEysgBRyQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTI1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/Sports/ap/201307231519551990949 was taken a week ago. In the article that I pulled it from, it says he was out of shape but has lost 20lbs. But this doesn't look like a guy that's in football shape to me.

Can he go from that picture to game-ready in 2 weeks? Doubt it. And if he can, it can't be done in a healthy way. Will it slow him down? Will it increase his injury risk? I play basketball pretty frequently, and when I've played a bit heavier I'm more prone to tearing up ankles and knees, and that's in a pickup basketball game, not the NFL.

Is anyone else concerned about this? Have any thoughts? Or reassurance? I think MJD could potentially be one of the pivotal players in FF this year (how many other guys in the 3rd round have a legitimate shot, outside of a Cinderella story, of being #1 at their position), but I can't get past this one glaring thing.

With the dearth of legit RBs this year, who you take at #2 RB amongst the mess of DMC/Matthews/Murray/MJD/etc could make or break you.

I can't be the only one concerned here.

Help.
He has played this pre-season. Why don't you just how he looked playing on the field instead of standing in a hallway in a hoodie?

 
Another factor of why I like him so much is that he is in a contract year. We know he won't be back with the Jags after his failed holdout last year. He has to be highly motivated to play like a beast so that he lands a fat new contract with a much better team next year.
I'm not sure what I think about MJD for 2014, but the Jags and MJD both have the incentive to run his wheels off this year and there's really no one else on the roster to worry about. If he's healthy he should be a 300-touch workhorse again.

 
MJD is the dude I've probably mulled over the most as it pertains to 2nd round RBs. He's missed games here and there through-out his career but he isn't someone I'd call injury prone. I think it's obvious the foot injury was a product of the hold out last year. Part of me thinks he'll make for an awesome high volume RB2, the other part sees the risk (coming off injury, decent amount of wear and tear, nearing 30 and etc). Ultimately, I'd be willing to "gamble" on him as a RB2 but I'm not going out of my way to draft him.

 
I pulled the trigger on him. Still a bit worried, but I wanted RB in 2 of the first 3 rounds.

AD and MJD...sounded like a potential winner to me.

 
MJD is the dude I've probably mulled over the most as it pertains to 2nd round RBs. He's missed games here and there through-out his career but he isn't someone I'd call injury prone. I think it's obvious the foot injury was a product of the hold out last year. Part of me thinks he'll make for an awesome high volume RB2, the other part sees the risk (coming off injury, decent amount of wear and tear, nearing 30 and etc). Ultimately, I'd be willing to "gamble" on him as a RB2 but I'm not going out of my way to draft him.
No, not really.

FBG has him as playing in all 16 games four times, 15 games once, 14 games once, and then the 6 last season.

That's pretty damn good. That's a 15.5 games played average until last year.

 
Leonidas said:
SameSongNDance said:
MJD is the dude I've probably mulled over the most as it pertains to 2nd round RBs. He's missed games here and there through-out his career but he isn't someone I'd call injury prone. I think it's obvious the foot injury was a product of the hold out last year. Part of me thinks he'll make for an awesome high volume RB2, the other part sees the risk (coming off injury, decent amount of wear and tear, nearing 30 and etc). Ultimately, I'd be willing to "gamble" on him as a RB2 but I'm not going out of my way to draft him.
No, not really.

FBG has him as playing in all 16 games four times, 15 games once, 14 games once, and then the 6 last season.

That's pretty damn good. That's a 15.5 games played average until last year.
I was actually implying that he was durable with that statement, as here and there can literally mean "a couple" or "a few". Even if "here and there" is subjective, I think it would have been kind of obvious what I meant after reading the following sentence. You didn't read past that sentence, did you. Hell, you didn't even finish the sentence.

 
Leonidas said:
SameSongNDance said:
MJD is the dude I've probably mulled over the most as it pertains to 2nd round RBs. He's missed games here and there through-out his career but he isn't someone I'd call injury prone. I think it's obvious the foot injury was a product of the hold out last year. Part of me thinks he'll make for an awesome high volume RB2, the other part sees the risk (coming off injury, decent amount of wear and tear, nearing 30 and etc). Ultimately, I'd be willing to "gamble" on him as a RB2 but I'm not going out of my way to draft him.
No, not really.

FBG has him as playing in all 16 games four times, 15 games once, 14 games once, and then the 6 last season.

That's pretty damn good. That's a 15.5 games played average until last year.
I was actually implying that he was durable with that statement, as here and there can literally mean "a couple" or "a few". Even if "here and there" is subjective, I think it would have been kind of obvious what I meant after reading the following sentence. You didn't read past that sentence, did you. Hell, you didn't even finish the sentence.
Here and there could have meant he missed 2 games in his career. That made sense to me :shrug:

 
Leonidas said:
SameSongNDance said:
MJD is the dude I've probably mulled over the most as it pertains to 2nd round RBs. He's missed games here and there through-out his career but he isn't someone I'd call injury prone. I think it's obvious the foot injury was a product of the hold out last year. Part of me thinks he'll make for an awesome high volume RB2, the other part sees the risk (coming off injury, decent amount of wear and tear, nearing 30 and etc). Ultimately, I'd be willing to "gamble" on him as a RB2 but I'm not going out of my way to draft him.
No, not really.FBG has him as playing in all 16 games four times, 15 games once, 14 games once, and then the 6 last season.

That's pretty damn good. That's a 15.5 games played average until last year.
I see what youre saying, but he didnt have a lisfranc injury until last year which is way different from any other injuries he had previously
 

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