Player Spotlight: Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

75 receptions1100 yards10 TDsImmediately becomes Brady's favorite target. Gets off to a great start, until opposing teams start double covering him. Then he becomes Belichick's favorite decoy, frustrating Moss owners everywhere.

Not even close if Moss scores 5 - 6 TD's i will be very surprised . He was one of the best but sorry he is finished but big time finished.

After reading your argument, I agree. You're probably right.

 

[David Yudkin]

Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and Moss is over his.

Moss is only two years older than Branch, yet Branch hasn't hit his prime and Moss is well past his. Interesting.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and Moss is over his.

Moss is only two years older than Branch, yet Branch hasn't hit his prime and Moss is well past his. Interesting.

Moss has more wear for sure and a work ethic and attitude go a long way in preparing yourself. Branch is a very hard working, team player, theyre total opposites. So the age thing while its two years can make a diff. Moss is someone whos been given all the chances because hes been a star before. Branch started off in the worst place to gain personal exposure, in NE. For the first time Branch will have his shot as a wr1 in a nice system

 

[Borat]

Branch started off in the worst place to gain personal exposure, in NE.

Seriously?Correct me if I'm wrong, but what is Branch's biggest claim to fame right now? Super Bowl MVP. There aren't many other places that would have happened for him besides New England.

 

[David Yudkin]

Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and Moss is over his.

Moss is only two years older than Branch, yet Branch hasn't hit his prime and Moss is well past his. Interesting.

Moss has more wear for sure and a work ethic and attitude go a long way in preparing yourself. Branch is a very hard working, team player, theyre total opposites. So the age thing while its two years can make a diff. Moss is someone whos been given all the chances because hes been a star before. Branch started off in the worst place to gain personal exposure, in NE. For the first time Branch will have his shot as a wr1 in a nice system

I certainly could be way off on this one, but I suspect Moss will show this year that he's still is a bona fide WR1 while Branch will show that he's a so-so WR1 but a good WR2.

 

[Idiot_2]

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.

53/800/6

Do piggyback on my own post, I just saw this article today: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ded_they_stand/pretty much what I've been saying since his last 2 seasons playing here in Minny. The guys doesn't have the head to compensate for an aging body.

Borges has a reputation for almost being anti-Patriots and LOVES to stir the pot. Had someone else written this story, I would have given it more consideration. I still think that there is no way in god's green earth that anyone associated with the Raiders will come out and say anything good about Moss. It's just not going to happen.Why Oakland didn't just make this a non-story by saying they wish him well in the future and not air dirty laundry initially surprised me, but when have the Raiders ever been known for adhering to Miss Manners guidebook to proper etiquette and decorum?

As soon as I saw the Borg's name, click went the mouse. I think he retired today or something.

 

[Idiot_2]

Why do we think the Pats will change there spread it around philosophy for anyone?Is'nt this the team you come to where there's no stars and every ones equal (except Brady) ?I hear people say Branch isnt a wr 1 and it makes baby Jesus cry , so stop now and wait til after this season.When Branch was on the Pats he was growing every year and in all fairness was SB MVP. Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and not only is Moss over his but again hes just a cog in a "if your open ill pass to you" system. Will Moss get some bonus deep looks , yes but will it put his stats to top 15WR status, no.55/750/7

I really don't think that the Pats are going to be like they were at all in the past. This offense is going to be much more wide open and with the talent levels that they currently have, I really doubt that there isn't going to be a true #1 and #2 reciever along with a true slot reciever. On paper, so long as the injury bug doesn't bite, this offence will be very fluid and adaptive...able to morph to the opposing defense with much more ease. The fact that NE is said to be star-less (aside from the GC: Brady) is just about as big as a farce that could be made up in football, the team is littered with stars and planets each revolving around the Belichikian nebula. It never ceases to amaze me that people underestimate this team, time and time again.

 

[Biabreakable]

Why do we think the Pats will change there spread it around philosophy for anyone?Is'nt this the team you come to where there's no stars and every ones equal (except Brady) ?I hear people say Branch isnt a wr 1 and it makes baby Jesus cry , so stop now and wait til after this season.When Branch was on the Pats he was growing every year and in all fairness was SB MVP. Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and not only is Moss over his but again hes just a cog in a "if your open ill pass to you" system. Will Moss get some bonus deep looks , yes but will it put his stats to top 15WR status, no.55/750/7

1st of all why have the Patriots used a spread it around philopsophy in thier passing game in the past? Might it be because they have not had a dominant go to WR? Some information on that perception:2004David Givens 106 targets 56 catches 872 yards 3TDDavid Patten 95 targets 44 catches 800 yards 7TD Deion Branch 51 targets 35 catches 454 yards 4TD only played 9 games.Troy Brown 29 targets 17 catches 184 yards 1TDDaniel Graham 48 targets 30 catches 364 yards 7TD Jed Weaver 12 targets 8 catches 93 yards 0TD Ben Watson 4 targets 2 catches 16 yards 0TD2005Deion Branch 125 targets 78 catches 998 yards 5TDDavid Givens 95 targets 59 catches 738 yards 2TD Troy Brown NE 59 targets 39 catches 466 yards 2TDBen Watson NE 54 targets 29 catches 441 yards 4TD Daniel Graham 25 targets 16 catches 235 yards 3TD Christian Fauria 17 targets 8 catches 57 yards 2TD 2006Reche Caldwell 102 targets 61 catches 760 yards 4TD Doug Gabriel 54 targets 30 catches 428 yards 3TD - cut midseason replaced by Gaffney/Jackson.Jabar Gaffney 21 targets 11 catches 142 yards 1TDChad Jackson 19 targets 13 catches 152 yards 3TDBen Watson 91 targets 49 catches 645 yards 3TD - missed 3 games replaced by Thomas.Daniel Graham 34 targets 21 catches 235 yards 2TD Dave Thomas 16 targets 11 catches 159 yards 1TDIn 2002 Troy Brown as NE primary WR had 139 targets 97 catches as the last time since 2005 that NE had a primary WR.Also injuries have played a part in spreading the ball around in NE as Branch, Givens, Brown, Graham and Watson have all missed significant portions of one or more of these seasons.So does NE spread targets around by design? Or is it more a product of the personel they have had and other factors that has caused the ball to be spread around more than other teams do?I would say it is a combination of both. The main reason being that none of thier recieving options has been a dominant go to WR. 2005 has been the only example where NE primary WRs have been healthy for most of the season and what you see there is a pretty normal distribution between Branch (WR1) Givens (WR2) Brown (WR3) and Watson (TE1) Graham (TE2 blocker). Branch's total targets are a bit low for a WR1 in that year. I think that is because he is not good enough to be a true WR1. I think they got as much out of him as he is capable of. Seeing that then Branch wanted more money.. NE offered him a pretty reasonable deal but did not consider him worth premium WR money. They traded him to Seattle then for a 1st round pick (suprised they got this value for him).I see Moss and Stallworth as upgrades from any WR NE has had over the past 5 years. All respect due to Troy Brown who is a GREAT football player and helps NE in so many ways.This is not going to be the same NE offense this year with Moss, Stallworth, Welker and Watson being significantly better than any group of WR we have seen in NE. Closest compare I can find for what to expect is 2005 season that is why I used that for much of my basis of what to expect in 2007 above.ETA- Another team known for spreading the ball around to multiple WR/TE/RB recently is the Eagles. They did not have a primary WR until they got TO. Having TO quickly changed thier pass distribution. So I see that as a similar situation to NE now having Moss. Main difference I see is that Stallworth and Welker are good WR too otherwise I would expect even more targets to go Moss's way.

 

[tombonneau]

Why do we think the Pats will change there spread it around philosophy for anyone?Is'nt this the team you come to where there's no stars and every ones equal (except Brady) ?I hear people say Branch isnt a wr 1 and it makes baby Jesus cry , so stop now and wait til after this season.When Branch was on the Pats he was growing every year and in all fairness was SB MVP. Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and not only is Moss over his but again hes just a cog in a "if your open ill pass to you" system. Will Moss get some bonus deep looks , yes but will it put his stats to top 15WR status, no.55/750/7

1st of all why have the Patriots used a spread it around philopsophy in thier passing game in the past? Might it be because they have not had a dominant go to WR? Some information on that perception:2004David Givens 106 targets 56 catches 872 yards 3TDDavid Patten 95 targets 44 catches 800 yards 7TD Deion Branch 51 targets 35 catches 454 yards 4TD only played 9 games.Troy Brown 29 targets 17 catches 184 yards 1TDDaniel Graham 48 targets 30 catches 364 yards 7TD Jed Weaver 12 targets 8 catches 93 yards 0TD Ben Watson 4 targets 2 catches 16 yards 0TD2005Deion Branch 125 targets 78 catches 998 yards 5TDDavid Givens 95 targets 59 catches 738 yards 2TD Troy Brown NE 59 targets 39 catches 466 yards 2TDBen Watson NE 54 targets 29 catches 441 yards 4TD Daniel Graham 25 targets 16 catches 235 yards 3TD Christian Fauria 17 targets 8 catches 57 yards 2TD 2006Reche Caldwell 102 targets 61 catches 760 yards 4TD Doug Gabriel 54 targets 30 catches 428 yards 3TD - cut midseason replaced by Gaffney/Jackson.Jabar Gaffney 21 targets 11 catches 142 yards 1TDChad Jackson 19 targets 13 catches 152 yards 3TDBen Watson 91 targets 49 catches 645 yards 3TD - missed 3 games replaced by Thomas.Daniel Graham 34 targets 21 catches 235 yards 2TD Dave Thomas 16 targets 11 catches 159 yards 1TDIn 2002 Troy Brown as NE primary WR had 139 targets 97 catches as the last time since 2005 that NE had a primary WR.Also injuries have played a part in spreading the ball around in NE as Branch, Givens, Brown, Graham and Watson have all missed significant portions of one or more of these seasons.So does NE spread targets around by design? Or is it more a product of the personel they have had and other factors that has caused the ball to be spread around more than other teams do?I would say it is a combination of both. The main reason being that none of thier recieving options has been a dominant go to WR. 2005 has been the only example where NE primary WRs have been healthy for most of the season and what you see there is a pretty normal distribution between Branch (WR1) Givens (WR2) Brown (WR3) and Watson (TE1) Graham (TE2 blocker). Branch's total targets are a bit low for a WR1 in that year. I think that is because he is not good enough to be a true WR1. I think they got as much out of him as he is capable of. Seeing that then Branch wanted more money.. NE offered him a pretty reasonable deal but did not consider him worth premium WR money. They traded him to Seattle then for a 1st round pick (suprised they got this value for him).I see Moss and Stallworth as upgrades from any WR NE has had over the past 5 years. All respect due to Troy Brown who is a GREAT football player and helps NE in so many ways.This is not going to be the same NE offense this year with Moss, Stallworth, Welker and Watson being significantly better than any group of WR we have seen in NE. Closest compare I can find for what to expect is 2005 season that is why I used that for much of my basis of what to expect in 2007 above.ETA- Another team known for spreading the ball around to multiple WR/TE/RB recently is the Eagles. They did not have a primary WR until they got TO. Having TO quickly changed thier pass distribution. So I see that as a similar situation to NE now having Moss. Main difference I see is that Stallworth and Welker are good WR too otherwise I would expect even more targets to go Moss's way.

Eagles/TO analogy is spot on.I think Moss will lead the team in yards & TDs, and Welker will lead them in receptions. Stallworth will probably lead in YPC.I see a healthy Moss at about 75/1275/8. However, given recent history, I think it is likely he could miss a few games bringing his numbers down a bit.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Has he caught a pass in pre-season yet?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Has he caught a pass in pre-season yet?

Hey sucka... get it right...Randy plays, when Randy wants to play.

 

[Vision6]

"I'm too old to practice on wednesdays but I'm not too old to play on Sundays" - Randy Moss

 

[vichawkfan]

"I'm too old to practice on wednesdays but I'm not too old to play on Sundays" - Randy Moss

His hammy is the big secret. Belichek is "disclosing" a strain? If he tells everyone that, it means Randy is being tested by NASA for running sub 4.2 40's.Top 7

 

[thayman]

75 receptions1100 yards10 TDsImmediately becomes Brady's favorite target. Gets off to a great start, until opposing teams start double covering him. Then he becomes Belichick's favorite decoy, frustrating Moss owners everywhere.

Not even close if Moss scores 5 - 6 TD's i will be very surprised . He was one of the best but sorry he is finished but big time finished.

Are you surprised yet?

 

[Brutis]

75 receptions1100 yards10 TDsImmediately becomes Brady's favorite target. Gets off to a great start, until opposing teams start double covering him. Then he becomes Belichick's favorite decoy, frustrating Moss owners everywhere.

Not even close if Moss scores 5 - 6 TD's i will be very surprised . He was one of the best but sorry he is finished but big time finished.

Are you surprised yet?

 

[Biabreakable]

Chase your assuming a lot of things that I have not seen basis for.You called Moss an average WR for one. If your going to use similarity scores as a basis at least recognise that Moss is not an average WR. He is a standard that other WR have been compared to as an aspiration for thier success.Your also saying that WR at age 30 are inferior to WR age 26-28? I do not think that is a fact at all. Not sure what you are sampling to come to this conclusion.Moss is the best WR if he wants to be. He seems to want to be now with Brady and the Pats. Brady is an excellent QB. This is a sick combination. I am still pinching myself as I thought this was too good to be true.Staying away from projections here.. Moss could still beat Jerry Rice's single season record yet.

 

[twitch]

95/1400/15All-ProRandy is back.Book it to the bank.

Booked. Banked. Check's in the mail.

 

[twitch]

Staying away from projections here.. Moss could still beat Jerry Rice's single season record yet.

While anything is possible, I just can't see this happening.Moss is already 30 and is:873 recptions behind Rice12195 receiving yards behind Rice96 receiving TDs behind MossSo basically, if Moss played through age 40 he would have to average 87.3, 1219.5, and 9.6 to tie.

I was refering to Rice's 22 TD season.

Here's another big winner. Good call, B.

 

[twitch]

After a year of of personal unhappiness that limited his production, Randy gets the perfect situation for him to get back to elite status: a big-armed quarterback and a franchise that brings out the best in the game's bad boys. Al Davis will have Kerry Collins air it out every other play, and you know Randy will look great in Silver and Black. Expect top-five numbers with an upside of #1 for Randy in 2005.2007: 58 receptions, 800 yards, 8 TDs, tops.

Lesson learned here: Dont base 2007 projections on what people said about a HOF worthy player joining a different team 2 years earlier. The correlations couldnt be more irrelevant.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

 

[twitch]

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.

53/800/6

Do piggyback on my own post, I just saw this article today: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...ded_they_stand/pretty much what I've been saying since his last 2 seasons playing here in Minny. The guys doesn't have the head to compensate for an aging body.

 

[zoonation]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

 

[freelander]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

Hey, its the Randy Moss hour! ..and your predictions were...?? ...I say lets search the spotlights to check on forecasts of players other than NE...its fricken overload already.

 

[twitch]

Why do we think the Pats will change there spread it around philosophy for anyone?Is'nt this the team you come to where there's no stars and every ones equal (except Brady) ?I hear people say Branch isnt a wr 1 and it makes baby Jesus cry , so stop now and wait til after this season.When Branch was on the Pats he was growing every year and in all fairness was SB MVP. Branch has'nt even hit his prime yet IMO and not only is Moss over his but again hes just a cog in a "if your open ill pass to you" system. Will Moss get some bonus deep looks , yes but will it put his stats to top 15WR status, no.55/750/7

Based on these projections, Id say Moss was a little more than a 'sleeper'. Nice Branch love, though. Those Moss projections were close to what Branch actually did, minus a few 'bonus' TDs.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

Hey, its the Randy Moss hour! ..and your predictions were...?? ...I say lets search the spotlights to check on forecasts of players other than NE...its fricken overload already.

Didnt make any, but was certainly hoping he'd be a positive force. And I wont begin to search anything, but like I said, I wasnt in any leagues this year, so I didnt feel a need to project any #s or forecast rankings. Just happy my boys have played well this year, including Moss. I did think Leftwich would bust though, and Vince Young was getting a little too much early fantasy love.

 

[zoonation]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

 

[freelander]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

But it is LAME. You didn't "play the game" this year and therefore couldn't make any mistakes /mis-predictions, yet you feel its OK to go back and dredge up others for your pleasure ... and you ask why we can't stand NE fans?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Moss is one I missed bad on. I thought he was done.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

But it is LAME. You didn't "play the game" this year and therefore couldn't make any mistakes /mis-predictions, yet you feel its OK to go back and dredge up others for your pleasure ... and you ask why we can't stand NE fans?

Look, I didnt revive this thread. Not that there's anything wrong with reviving it. But I didnt dig it up to hammer anyone. But when I saw it pulled, the first thing I did was praise 2 guys who I thought were the most correct on their prediction. One of them happened to be the guy who revived it who I have no association with. Id expect you'd assume it was an alias. Think what you want. But I followed that up by hammering the 2 guys who I thought were as wrong as anyone or who made statements ridiculing Moss that were obviously proven otherwise. So 2 pros and 2 cons. You wanna call that LAME and think this provides you with yet another reason to not stand NE fans, you go ahead and do your thing. Your hating NE is your own issue. But to think I didnt make any mistakes all year with predictions isnt any sort of banner Im carrying personally. I was wrong about plenty of predictions. They just didnt impact any fantasy team because I didnt have any. But dont think for a second I or very many Patriot fans ask "why" at this point people like you "cant stand the NE fans". Those are jealously issues that each of you have to deal with. That's crystal clear.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

But it is LAME. You didn't "play the game" this year and therefore couldn't make any mistakes /mis-predictions, yet you feel its OK to go back and dredge up others for your pleasure ... and you ask why we can't stand NE fans?

Look, I didnt revive this thread. Not that there's anything wrong with reviving it. But I didnt dig it up to hammer anyone. But when I saw it pulled, the first thing I did was praise 2 guys who I thought were the most correct on their prediction. One of them happened to be the guy who revived it who I have no association with. Id expect you'd assume it was an alias. Think what you want. But I followed that up by hammering the 2 guys who I thought were as wrong as anyone or who made statements ridiculing Moss that were obviously proven otherwise. So 2 pros and 2 cons. You wanna call that LAME and think this provides you with yet another reason to not stand NE fans, you go ahead and do your thing. Your hating NE is your own issue. But to think I didnt make any mistakes all year with predictions isnt any sort of banner Im carrying personally. I was wrong about plenty of predictions. They just didnt impact any fantasy team because I didnt have any. But dont think for a second I or very many of Patriot fans ask "why" at this point WHY people like you "cant stand the NE fans". Those are jealously issues that each of you have to deal with. That's crystal clear.

 

[massraider]

Telling people to relax is a little disingenuous, when you are repeatedly bumping a thread, especially one you didn't actually post your own predictions in.

I have no problem with bumping a thread, as many posters tend to be a bit abrasive in their comments, and a little comeuppance is good for the soul.

You've revived the thread, people can now conveniently review the incorrect predictions of people like myself.

Anything more than that is being obnoxious and childish. Especially, like I said, when you didn't post your own predictions.

And really, is doesn't matter what team you root for. A ####head is a ####head.

 

[twitch]

Telling people to relax is a little disingenuous, when you are repeatedly bumping a thread, especially one you didn't actually post your own predictions in.

I have no problem with bumping a thread, as many posters tend to be a bit abrasive in their comments, and a little comeuppance is good for the soul.

You've revived the thread, people can now conveniently review the incorrect predictions of people like myself.

Anything more than that is being obnoxious and childish. Especially, like I said, when you didn't post your own predictions.

And really, is doesn't matter what team you root for. A ####head is a ####head.

Ive said it before. I did NOT revive this thread. Ive reacted to it once it was brought forward. And when I start calling someone a ####head, then I'll bring myself down to your level.

 

[massraider]

Telling people to relax is a little disingenuous, when you are repeatedly bumping a thread, especially one you didn't actually post your own predictions in.

I have no problem with bumping a thread, as many posters tend to be a bit abrasive in their comments, and a little comeuppance is good for the soul.

You've revived the thread, people can now conveniently review the incorrect predictions of people like myself.

Anything more than that is being obnoxious and childish. Especially, like I said, when you didn't post your own predictions.

And really, is doesn't matter what team you root for. A ####head is a ####head.

Ive said it before. I did NOT revive this thread. Ive reacted to it once it was brought forward. And when I start calling someone a ####head, then I'll bring myself down to your level.

Gee, I meant to say, "acting like a ####head". My bad.Calling people out is a joke, if you didn't have the stones to put your OWN projections out there.

 

[twitch]

Telling people to relax is a little disingenuous, when you are repeatedly bumping a thread, especially one you didn't actually post your own predictions in.

I have no problem with bumping a thread, as many posters tend to be a bit abrasive in their comments, and a little comeuppance is good for the soul.

You've revived the thread, people can now conveniently review the incorrect predictions of people like myself.

Anything more than that is being obnoxious and childish. Especially, like I said, when you didn't post your own predictions.

And really, is doesn't matter what team you root for. A ####head is a ####head.

Ive said it before. I did NOT revive this thread. Ive reacted to it once it was brought forward. And when I start calling someone a ####head, then I'll bring myself down to your level.

Gee, I meant to say, "acting like a ####head". My bad.Calling people out is a joke, if you didn't have the stones to put your OWN projections out there.

Look, just because someone doesnt make specific projections on players doesnt mean they dont have stones or opinions for that matter. As I said, I decided to simply be a football fan this year, and take a year off from the fantasy scene. I decided that quite a while ago. That being the case, I didnt make a ton of forecasts because frankly I didnt put in the quality time and thought it takes to back them. But, Ill provide the following link to show how I felt about the Pats prior to the season. If you feel like searching this thread for my commentary, feel free. If not, I dont want to hear anymore about this. Calling out people is part of the world we live in. When Im blatantly wrong about things, I man up and recognize the fault. Its never that big of a deal. Like I said earlier, a light humbling is ALWAYS a good thing.Preseason Pats thoughts

You'll find my comments in posts #16 and 19.

 

[Keys Myaths]

 

[freelander]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

But it is LAME. You didn't "play the game" this year and therefore couldn't make any mistakes /mis-predictions, yet you feel its OK to go back and dredge up others for your pleasure ... and you ask why we can't stand NE fans?

Look, I didnt revive this thread. Not that there's anything wrong with reviving it. But I didnt dig it up to hammer anyone. But when I saw it pulled, the first thing I did was praise 2 guys who I thought were the most correct on their prediction. One of them happened to be the guy who revived it who I have no association with. Id expect you'd assume it was an alias. Think what you want. But I followed that up by hammering the 2 guys who I thought were as wrong as anyone or who made statements ridiculing Moss that were obviously proven otherwise. So 2 pros and 2 cons. You wanna call that LAME and think this provides you with yet another reason to not stand NE fans, you go ahead and do your thing. Your hating NE is your own issue. But to think I didnt make any mistakes all year with predictions isnt any sort of banner Im carrying personally. I was wrong about plenty of predictions. They just didnt impact any fantasy team because I didnt have any. But dont think for a second I or very many of Patriot fans ask "why" at this point WHY people like you "cant stand the NE fans". Those are jealously issues that each of you have to deal with. That's crystal clear.

Awe come-on twitch ..truly thinly veiled ... by the way you slammed Rev twice, so that equals 3 (but that was the motive anyway).

 

[Jason Wood]

Guys...anyone that posts regularly to the Shark Pool has had his fair share of HORRENDOUS calls to go along with (hopefully) great ones. The last thing I want to see if a bunch of people bumping threads to try to prove how wrong someone else was.

I thought Randy Moss was going to be brilliant...but I also thought Wes Welker wouldn't catch 50 passes. That's the way this crazy sport goes.

 

[Biabreakable]

Huh.

I bumped this thread just because I was so excited that Moss broke the single season TD reception record a day or so ago. Not to call anyone out or this other rubbish.

I cannot possibly be the only person excited about Moss's accomplishment am I?

I was laughing so hard listening to a Cowboy fan ask where the safety was on Moss's long bomb (right after he droped a potentialy explosive play) with the Pats behind in the score.

My answer.. near the corner back about 20 yards behind Moss.. that guy is kind of fast...

 

[Jason Wood]

Huh. I bumped this thread just because I was so excited that Moss broke the single season TD reception record a day or so ago. Not to call anyone out or this other rubbish.I cannot possibly be the only person excited about Moss's accomplishment am I?I was laughing so hard listening to a Cowboy fan ask where the safety was on Moss's long bomb (right after he droped a potentialy explosive play) with the Pats behind in the score. My answer.. near the corner back about 20 yards behind Moss.. that guy is kind of fast...

Hey Bia...that's fine. It's just that inevitably bumping a thread to pat yourself on the back inevitably leads to tons of people quoting from the thread about how wrong others were. All that I ask is we accentuate the positive.It's 100% fine to be critical of others and your own analysis; I just don't see much value in dozens of threads being revisited by people simply to assail others bad calls. As you and I both know, for every brilliant call someone pats themselves on the back for, there's one they wish they could have back.

 

[Biabreakable]

Huh. I bumped this thread just because I was so excited that Moss broke the single season TD reception record a day or so ago. Not to call anyone out or this other rubbish.I cannot possibly be the only person excited about Moss's accomplishment am I?I was laughing so hard listening to a Cowboy fan ask where the safety was on Moss's long bomb (right after he droped a potentialy explosive play) with the Pats behind in the score. My answer.. near the corner back about 20 yards behind Moss.. that guy is kind of fast...

Hey Bia...that's fine. It's just that inevitably bumping a thread to pat yourself on the back inevitably leads to tons of people quoting from the thread about how wrong others were. All that I ask is we accentuate the positive.It's 100% fine to be critical of others and your own analysis; I just don't see much value in dozens of threads being revisited by people simply to assail others bad calls. As you and I both know, for every brilliant call someone pats themselves on the back for, there's one they wish they could have back.

Oh no doubt. I have been predicting (hoping) for Moss to break Rice's record since 2001. Just happy he finaly did it.

 

[twitch]

The reason that Moss is now a Patriot is because Tom Brady wanted him there, championed Moss, and made it happen. He's never had a receiver of Moss' caliber to throw to before (thats why he spread the ball around). Not sure exactly what kind of numbers this translates to, but Brady wanted him there and will be looking for him early and often.

Moss is not the same player he was for his first few years in the league. His body has slowed and become injury prone while his work ethic and attitude have continued their steady descent. It didn't take him long to become a cancer in Oakland, nor will it take long in New England, where he will be angry that Brady refuses to key on him. Winning wont even solve Randy's problems.53/800/6

Predicting the future can be a humbling experience.

L-A-M-E posting.so thinly veiled too.

Veiled in some way? The actual printed words werent obvious enough? And this offends you? As if as a NE fan I predicted he'd fall flat on his face. I wasnt even in a league this year, so I didnt read too many crystal balls. But Im not hammering the guy. And there's certainly nothing wrong with being humbled. Relax. Just having a little gentle fun.

I guess, if calling people out is your thing.

Like I said, man. Relax. As if youve never called anyone out in your life.

But it is LAME. You didn't "play the game" this year and therefore couldn't make any mistakes /mis-predictions, yet you feel its OK to go back and dredge up others for your pleasure ... and you ask why we can't stand NE fans?

Look, I didnt revive this thread. Not that there's anything wrong with reviving it. But I didnt dig it up to hammer anyone. But when I saw it pulled, the first thing I did was praise 2 guys who I thought were the most correct on their prediction. One of them happened to be the guy who revived it who I have no association with. Id expect you'd assume it was an alias. Think what you want. But I followed that up by hammering the 2 guys who I thought were as wrong as anyone or who made statements ridiculing Moss that were obviously proven otherwise. So 2 pros and 2 cons. You wanna call that LAME and think this provides you with yet another reason to not stand NE fans, you go ahead and do your thing. Your hating NE is your own issue. But to think I didnt make any mistakes all year with predictions isnt any sort of banner Im carrying personally. I was wrong about plenty of predictions. They just didnt impact any fantasy team because I didnt have any. But dont think for a second I or very many of Patriot fans ask "why" at this point WHY people like you "cant stand the NE fans". Those are jealously issues that each of you have to deal with. That's crystal clear.

Awe come-on twitch ..truly thinly veiled ... by the way you slammed Rev twice, so that equals 3 (but that was the motive anyway).

No motives. No veils. But point taken. So be well and Happy New Year!

 

[Chase Stuart]

I really, really missed the boat on Moss and Welker. Badly.

I did recognize the Pats would be awesome pretty early on, though, so that makes me feel a little bit better. I started saying I'd take the Pats to win the SB over the field in late Sept/early October, and that position is just starting to become accepted.

New England's an incredible team, and Moss is a huge part of that.

 

[Workhorse]

I really, really missed the boat on Moss and Welker. Badly.I did recognize the Pats would be awesome pretty early on, though, so that makes me feel a little bit better. I started saying I'd take the Pats to win the SB over the field in late Sept/early October, and that position is just starting to become accepted.New England's an incredible team, and Moss is a huge part of that.

So did most of us. I didn't post in this thread but in one of the Wes Welker threads, I suggested that the Pats receivers would be next to impossible to project since Brady would spread the ball around equally to the 3 new WRs plus weapons at TE and the backfield. Totally and completely wrong. I never thought that the Moss/Welker combo would be this consistently explosive. Never in a million years.

 

[freelander]

I really, really missed the boat on Moss and Welker. Badly.

I did recognize the Pats would be awesome pretty early on, though, so that makes me feel a little bit better. I started saying I'd take the Pats to win the SB over the field in late Sept/early October, and that position is just starting to become accepted.

New England's an incredible team, and Moss is a huge part of that.

So did most of us. I didn't post in this thread but in one of the Wes Welker threads, I suggested that the Pats receivers would be next to impossible to project since Brady would spread the ball around equally to the 3 new WRs plus weapons at TE and the backfield. Totally and completely wrong. I never thought that the Moss/Welker combo would be this consistently explosive. Never in a million years.

That was my thinking as well and avoided Moss in the draft. Oh well ...oh, and Happy New Year to you as well twitch!

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Something that I think everyone should watch is on youtube.com....its called The Real Randy Moss.

Its solid.

 

[shadyridr]

This should be a great thread. I hated Moss the last 2 years. I had him 2 years ago and he stunk. Last year I ranked him as the 18th WR and he was actually worse. But I love Moss this year. If he keeps his hamstring healthy I have little doubt he will be the #1 WR in fantasy football with one of the games best QBs throwing to him on a team with a great offensive philosophy and a number of other good targets to throw to.80 rec, 1200 yds, 14 tds

I love my prediction. Who knew Id be so low on the TDs?