Players you will avoid next year (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Why is it that everyone that was good last year is overvalued and everyone that was bad is undervalued? Same song and dance every year.

I thought the person stating Chris Johnson made some valid points (no coach, no qb, teams will stack the box, etc.), but one thing about Chris Johnson is he's very talented and can overcome a lot, but I am concerned about his situation.

 

[DoubleG]

I am staying away from David Boston and Kevan Barlow this season.

 

[Eminence]

I am staying away from David Boston and Kevan Barlow this season.

Add Amani Toomer to that list.

 

[DoubleG]

I am staying away from David Boston and Kevan Barlow this season.

Add Amani Toomer to that list.

...not a Toomer.

 

[Reepicheep]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

 

[thehornet]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

how do you expain the rest of his career?

 

[Reepicheep]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

how do you expain the rest of his career?

Not sure what there is to explain? He is an average NFL reciever. In the context of FF he has been a mostly reliable yardage guy, a solid WR2 that will rarely win or lose your match for you in a given week. Paying WR1 prices for him next year would be a poor investment.

 

[griff321]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

I think you have to look beyond the stats on Bowe here. I can't find the CC interview with Bowe and Haley before wild card weekend, but it's a great one about how he's rededicating himself and actually walking the walk. The guy has the tools and the same HC that Fitz credits for his success. The sky's the limit IMO.

 

[Concept Coop]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

how do you expain the rest of his career?

Not sure what there is to explain? He is an average NFL reciever. In the context of FF he has been a mostly reliable yardage guy, a solid WR2 that will rarely win or lose your match for you in a given week. Paying WR1 prices for him next year would be a poor investment.

An average NFL receiver? That is hardly true. Average #1, maybe. As for fantasy football, you make a good point by displaying that his big games came against teams with poor pass defense. That said, his games weren't simply great, they were monstrous. Also, we need to take into account that he had an average NFL QB throwing him the ball, while having it force fed to him. He was targeted a huge amount during that stretch, and defenses knew it was coming. They still couldn't stop it. Aside from the Texans, I think most teams can slow down a passing game that relies so much on one wideout. Yet, they couldn't. Your last statement is a bit ambiguous. The term WR1 is too broad of a statement - the difference in performance and "cost" between the first WR taken and the 12th is huge. Bowe is a WR1 in FF terms, will cost such, and is worth such. That said, I think he is a WR1 that you can target after getting a stud RB and or QB, unlike the Whites, and Johnsons.

 

[KentGraham10]

Lee Evans and MSW, the same two players I should have avoided last year.

 

[Reepicheep]

An average NFL receiver? That is hardly true. Average #1, maybe.

As for fantasy football, you make a good point by displaying that his big games came against teams with poor pass defense. That said, his games weren't simply great, they were monstrous. Also, we need to take into account that he had an average NFL QB throwing him the ball, while having it force fed to him. He was targeted a huge amount during that stretch, and defenses knew it was coming. They still couldn't stop it. Aside from the Texans, I think most teams can slow down a passing game that relies so much on one wideout. Yet, they couldn't.

Your last statement is a bit ambiguous. The term WR1 is too broad of a statement - the difference in performance and "cost" between the first WR taken and the 12th is huge. Bowe is a WR1 in FF terms, will cost such, and is worth such. That said, I think he is a WR1 that you can target after getting a stud RB and or QB, unlike the Whites, and Johnsons.

Sorry, I did mean average for a #1. Of course the #1 reciever on any team is above average by definition. He is an incredible athlete by just about every standard but this is FF so in our world pretty much everybody sucks. To be honest I didn't actually watch his big games. So I can't break down the individual matchups. But I'm a defensive coordinator, I have a feeling I'd rather game plan to slow down Charles and Jones and force Matt Cassel to beat me. And Matt & Dwayne were able to do that against 6 of the 10 worst pass defenses in the league.

Yeah, WR1/WR2 is imprecise. We will all have our own opinion on a player's value, but I will be really surprised if Bowe's production does not drop back to at least the level of his 2008 season (~140 points, his second best season). I certainly would not feel comfortable counting on him as my best WR. In fact I think Chiefs in general are a risky bet, they don't get that schedule again next year. I rode JC to a championship but I think even he will be going higher than he should next year.

 

[Invictus~Bronte]

Why is it that everyone that was good last year is overvalued and everyone that was bad is undervalued? Same song and dance every year.I thought the person stating Chris Johnson made some valid points (no coach, no qb, teams will stack the box, etc.), but one thing about Chris Johnson is he's very talented and can overcome a lot, but I am concerned about his situation.

I owned CJ wherever I could last year, and have been unloading him in the Dynos I have him. I saw too much turmoil on that team and it just got worse with Fisher out. Also CJ seemed to be pretty worn down after two seasons of high 300 touches. Still an elite back but he's dropped closer to the pack for me.

 

[faulkfan]

Since everything comes down to draft position then Moreno makes my list here.

I think Tebow will either hurt him because defenses will figure him out and the offense as a whole will struggle, OR Tebow will take his goalline carries meaning he'll have to score from outside the 10. What I don't expect is for Tebow to make the Broncos good enough to make Moreno worth the pick you'll have to use to get him.

 

[faulkfan]

Dwayne Bowe-Almost hate to list it because there are some mad lovers wearing double rose colored glasses around here but when you look at the hard statistics, This is a guy with a BRIEF and SITUATIONAL run of success surrounded by ongoing mediocrity. Especially when compared to how high he will go next year, I pass.

Yep. In weeks 6-12 he got to play the 32nd, 30th, 25th, 16th, 31st, 22nd, and 29th ranked pass defenses according to FO's metrics. In that time he accumlated 151 of his 206 points on the year (non-PPR). Great for anyone that got to enjoy the ride, but there will not be a repeat showing next year!

how do you expain the rest of his career?

Not sure what there is to explain? He is an average NFL reciever. In the context of FF he has been a mostly reliable yardage guy, a solid WR2 that will rarely win or lose your match for you in a given week. Paying WR1 prices for him next year would be a poor investment.

An average NFL receiver? That is hardly true. Average #1, maybe. As for fantasy football, you make a good point by displaying that his big games came against teams with poor pass defense. That said, his games weren't simply great, they were monstrous. Also, we need to take into account that he had an average NFL QB throwing him the ball, while having it force fed to him. He was targeted a huge amount during that stretch, and defenses knew it was coming. They still couldn't stop it. Aside from the Texans, I think most teams can slow down a passing game that relies so much on one wideout. Yet, they couldn't.

Your last statement is a bit ambiguous. The term WR1 is too broad of a statement - the difference in performance and "cost" between the first WR taken and the 12th is huge. Bowe is a WR1 in FF terms, will cost such, and is worth such. That said, I think he is a WR1 that you can target after getting a stud RB and or QB, unlike the Whites, and Johnsons.

Are the Chiefs getting rid of Cassel, if not then he has the same QB next year and a tougher schedule due to their playoff appearance.

 

[imagroid]

Why is it that everyone that was good last year is overvalued and everyone that was bad is undervalued? Same song and dance every year.

Sometimes a players value is low because they just suck

 

[imagroid]

re-reading this thread and seeing that exchange with $2 makes me . Has it been confirmed he is <16 y.o.?

 

[Jake22]

Im avoiding Hillis, he'll be the most overrated player in the draft next year

I'm surprised Hillis doesn't lead this list, he should...no way a fullback like him is gonna hold up to the poundings he took last year and still deliver the huge games he had, it comes to an end very soon for him with the way the Browns are abusing him...in fact I think his numbers for the last few weeks of the season were way down from what I remember. I wouldn't touch him next season where he's gonna get drafted in most drafts.

 

[Concept Coop]

Are the Chiefs getting rid of Cassel, if not then he has the same QB next year and a tougher schedule due to their playoff appearance.

I doubt it. But I also doubt that Terrance Copper will be lined up on the other side either. They will also still play the Broncos twice, as well as the Radiers w/o Nnamdi.

 

[PennStater77]

Can't believe Peterson and Johnson are getting more mentions.. Their QB situation is horrible. I think ADP is going to start a slow downfall in production.

 

[two_dollars]

re-reading this thread and seeing that exchange with $2 makes me . Has it been confirmed he is <16 y.o.?

How are you feeling about Vick now?

 

[Rick James]

Hard to say where he will be ranked, but I will avoid Turner at anywhere close to what I think it's gonna cost to get him....

Ya I've been keeping [Michael Turner] (can keep 1, PPR) for the last few years and I've had enough...welcome to the roster Tampa Mike!

Gotta admit, this made me lol

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Just guessing upon ADP because ya never know who might fall but I don't expect to draftColston, Hillis, Vick and other qb in the first two rounds, Lloyd, Jennings, Bowe, Tampa Mike, Any TE not named Gates/Witten/Clark in the first five rounds

I drafted Hillis on 5 teams. Colston, Jennings, and Bowe on 3. I did listen to myself on the others

 

[imagroid]

re-reading this thread and seeing that exchange with $2 makes me . Has it been confirmed he is <16 y.o.?

How are you feeling about Vick now?

I feel just fine Mr. Goodell.

 

[Rick James]

Just guessing upon ADP because ya never know who might fall but I don't expect to draftColston, Hillis, Vick and other qb in the first two rounds, Lloyd, Jennings, Bowe, Tampa Mike, Any TE not named Gates/Witten/Clark in the first five rounds

I drafted Hillis on 5 teams. Colston, Jennings, and Bowe on 3. I did listen to myself on the others

Hillis: hitColston: hitJennings: missBowe: missLloyd: hitVick: hit"other QB in first two rounds": I don't know...I imagine the Rodgers/Brady owners are loving life right nowTampa Mike: hitany TE besides Gates/Witten/Clark: miss, with the caveat that Witten is doing very well.overall, not bad

 

[Gunslinger58]

MIA RBs, CLE RBs, OAK WRs

Brandon Marshall - lot of potential, but too many endzone drops.

Darren McFadden - can't stay healthy.

Mark Ingram - Sproles and Thomas take away too many carries.

 

[THE SNOWMAN]

For me it's simple, anybody that has gotten injured. I have a zero tolerance policy for injury prone players, and what ya know .. most of my teams are usually injury free.

 

[buck naked]

DeSean Jackson - every year, he is inconsistent.

Rashard Mendenhall - no receptions and barely getting enough carries to be a viable #2.

Any Cleveland WR until they get a QB with some arm strength.

 

[gethugefast1]

For me it's simple, anybody that has gotten injured. I have a zero tolerance policy for injury prone players, and what ya know .. most of my teams are usually injury free.

I was going to read this Topic from page 1, but I just had to read the last few posts (thanx snowman).