Playoff Setup Question on future league (1 Viewer)

[Saint]

First, I have been following a couple of threads on fantasy playoff schedules and seeding questions, which has given me some ideas for the league I am starting up next year. It'll be a 15 team league (3 divisions).

My initial thoughts were leaning to a 6-team playoff with 3 Division Winners and 3 wild cards. Thanks to the other playoff thread, I have now discarded this notion for something a little bit more interesting.

I am looking at an 8-team playoff bracket: 3 division winners, 3 wild cards, #7 seed (Most points scored not in playoff), and # 8 Cinderella seed (Most points scored against). I have been debating how you would structure the playoff, such that #1/#2 seeds get byes... and then reseed so #1 seed always plays the worst seed (similar to NFL). I have always been partial to weeks 14-16 so if a team is doing well (such as NE this year), that fantasy team doesn't lose players in the week 17 game.

The challenge is with byes, I can't seem to figure out how I would handle the games. So here's my questions to the SP:

1. What do you think of the seeding idea of a #8 Cinderella?

2. Should #1/#2 seeds have byes?

3. How would you set the schedule?

At this point I have been debating about eliminating byes and adding a home field advantage (+4 pts) to the higher seed each round of the playoff. Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

 

[Twilight]

Absolutely hate any option that awards a playoff spot to a team that has ZERO relation to how they drafted or managed their team.

 

[Saint]

Absolutely hate any option that awards a playoff spot to a team that has ZERO relation to how they drafted or managed their team.

Only reason I bring this up... in a league I am in this year.. the owner has managed his team.. he has more points than over 50% of the league, but by luck of the draw... he has faced opponents when they had their best week. He has 1500 and some odd points, and over 1700 pts against. Next closest owner in PA is 1610.... Just an odd year, but it got me thinking.

 

[shader]

I'd kick out the cinderella seed.

You have two options:

7 man playoff: 1 first round bye, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5. Then re-seed the 2nd round

or

6 man playoff: 2 first round byes, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5. Then re-seed the 2nd round.

I'd do one of the above.

Cinderella seed seems cool at first glance, until some schmuck goes 0-14 and then makes the playoffs.

 

[Turtles]

Have you thought about how you would work the schedule week-to-week with an odd number of teams?

"Only reason I bring this up... in a league I am in this year.. the owner has managed his team.. he has more points than over 50% of the league, but by luck of the draw... he has faced opponents when they had their best week. He has 1500 and some odd points, and over 1700 pts against. Next closest owner in PA is 1610.... Just an odd year, but it got me thinking."

Then this guy would get that #7 seed, and the "Cinderella" seed would still be unnecessary.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Absolutely hate any option that awards a playoff spot to a team that has ZERO relation to how they drafted or managed their team.

Best argument for total points I've heard in a long time. Thank you.

 

[Utter Chaos]

Do the regular season as ALL PLAY and points allowed and points scored becomes irrelevant. It also solves the problem with having an odd number of teams.

Then you stick to your 6 team playoff structure. You could also do away with divisions and just have one division of 15 with the top 6 going.

 

[Saint]

Have you thought about how you would work the schedule week-to-week with an odd number of teams?

I have...As we would have 3 divisions. I would use Doubleheaders. You would play divisional opponents twice and then each of the opposing divisions once. Total of 18 games. Doubleheaders on weeks 1, 2, 3 and 11, 12 (so no one can cry on bye week issues). I am actually debating about doing something with Home vs Away games, where if you are a home team you get +4 pts added to your score.. which would carry through to the playoffs. Never have done it like this, but I am looking into it.As for total points, I get that, but I enjoy the H2H competition. I like the idea of giving a playoff berth to one team for total points (not in by record), but not the idea of total points where playoffs really don't mean much in H2H (But I do appreciate the suggestion neil).

Do the regular season as ALL PLAY and points allowed and points scored becomes irrelevant. It also solves the problem with having an odd number of teams.Then you stick to your 6 team playoff structure. You could also do away with divisions and just have one division of 15 with the top 6 going.

Started looking at ALL PLAY, but I want to stay closer to NFL form. I like the division concept as I want to help build some divisional rivalry for subsequent years. Once I get the league established next year (it'll be a keeper format btw), the divisions will be fixed. So players won't be moving between divisions from year to year. I'd really like to get some smack talk rivalry going and I think it'll take a couple of years to gel, but will end up being pretty unique.So based on the idea of seeding 8 teams... it doesn't seem like anyone likes the Cinderella idea. That's what I was curious about. Like shader said, I think it is a great idea as long as everyone is competitive... but if one person dives the season and gets in.. then it kind of ruins the concept.

 

[Saint]

Cinderella seed seems cool at first glance, until some schmuck goes 0-14 and then makes the playoffs.

Shader, just thought of something.. your record would have nothing to do with making the playoffs. It would be points against you, which cannot be controlled by your record.. just luck of the draw.. You could put up 10 pts all season and have 1400 pts scored against.. but it's just as likely some other team may have 1450 pts scored against. Does that make sense? I don't think a team could purposely tank to get the playoff spot.

 

[MarcO]

First, I have been following a couple of threads on fantasy playoff schedules and seeding questions, which has given me some ideas for the league I am starting up next year. It'll be a 15 team league (3 divisions).My initial thoughts were leaning to a 6-team playoff with 3 Division Winners and 3 wild cards. Thanks to the other playoff thread, I have now discarded this notion for something a little bit more interesting.I am looking at an 8-team playoff bracket: 3 division winners, 3 wild cards, #7 seed (Most points scored not in playoff), and # 8 Cinderella seed (Most points scored against). I have been debating how you would structure the playoff, such that #1/#2 seeds get byes... and then reseed so #1 seed always plays the worst seed (similar to NFL). I have always been partial to weeks 14-16 so if a team is doing well (such as NE this year), that fantasy team doesn't lose players in the week 17 game.The challenge is with byes, I can't seem to figure out how I would handle the games. So here's my questions to the SP:1. What do you think of the seeding idea of a #8 Cinderella?2. Should #1/#2 seeds have byes?3. How would you set the schedule?At this point I have been debating about eliminating byes and adding a home field advantage (+4 pts) to the higher seed each round of the playoff. Anyway, let me know your thoughts.

not sure i like the Cinderella option but in any case, I've used this 8 team bracket with 2 teams having a BYE - but you need to have a 4 week playoff - even still it is difficult, I see if I can explain it w/o a picture:Week 15 v 87 v 61,2,3,4 all have BYEsWeek2winner of 5/8 game v 4 seedwinner of 6/7 game v 3 seed1 and 2 have BYEWeek 31 v 4/5/8 winner2 v 3/7/6 winnerweek 4 1/4/5/8 winner vs. 2/3/6/7 winnerbasically, a 5-8 seed will have to win 4 games, a 3 or 4 seed will have to win 3, and a 1 or a 2 seed only has to win 2.