Please post how many trades your league champion made last year (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

I'd prefer for this to just be dynasty at this point since I think redraft is a little different in terms of strategy.

As most of my leagues are on MFL and it's what I'm familiar with, it would be helpful for all of you in dynasty leagues to just go to last year's site and search how many trades your league champion made over the last 400 days.

The point of this is to determine if there's some correlation between trading activity and success. Is there a benefit to trading? Is too much trading not good? Not enough trading?

This can then maybe look into things further like looking at the last place team as well (reasons for doing poorly) and also looking at where your most active and least active trading teams finished. Those are a little more work to look into so I'm not going to include it in the polls yet but feel free to post it if you're interested in looking it up.

I'm allowing voting for multiple options but, unfortunately, if you're in multiple leagues and you have the same response for a couple of them, you'll only be able to vote for that option once. So, if that's the case, just put a quick post which range you couldn't vote for and how many votes are missing in it.

Let's see where this goes........

 

[DoubleG]

The issue could be the "tradiness" of the league though. For example our Champ last year only made 1 trade. But most teams in that league only made 1 or 2. Also, if the champ made 1 or 2 very good trades, that would be better than 3-4 bad ones or worse than 3-4 very good ones. I think number of trades is kind of an odd indicator - as it probably doens't indicate anything. No offense.

 

[doowain]

I suggested that he ask for the number of trades for the champ and the number of trades for the last place team.

 

[gianmarco]

The issue could be the "tradiness" of the league though. For example our Champ last year only made 1 trade. But most teams in that league only made 1 or 2. Also, if the champ made 1 or 2 very good trades, that would be better than 3-4 bad ones or worse than 3-4 very good ones. I think number of trades is kind of an odd indicator - as it probably doens't indicate anything. No offense.

No offense taken. And you're right, it may not indicate anything. Or, it may indicate something. If I knew, I wouldn't have started this.My theory is that teams that don't trade enough are not likely to win. You can be great at drafting and get lucky in the WW, but virtually every team is still going to have holes somewhere and some key trades are usually what separates teams that do above average from those that do very well. If it does appear that there is a correlation with number of trades and winning, then it may be eye-opening for certain teams that avoid trading for various reasons.

 

[Vykng]

I've won my league the last 4 years. And I've made 75%(4-5 trades) of the league trades in each season. Most players in this league sit on their team and play the waiver wire if they need help no matter the outcome.

 

[DoubleG]

The issue could be the "tradiness" of the league though. For example our Champ last year only made 1 trade. But most teams in that league only made 1 or 2. Also, if the champ made 1 or 2 very good trades, that would be better than 3-4 bad ones or worse than 3-4 very good ones. I think number of trades is kind of an odd indicator - as it probably doens't indicate anything. No offense.

No offense taken. And you're right, it may not indicate anything. Or, it may indicate something. If I knew, I wouldn't have started this.My theory is that teams that don't trade enough or not likely to win. You can be great at drafting and get lucky in the WW, but virtually every team is still going to have holes somewhere and some key trades are usually what separates teams that do above average from those that do very well.

If it does appear that there is a correlation with number of trades and winning, then it may be eye-opening for certain teams that avoid trading for various reasons.

I do agree with the bolded. If, for the most part, you presume that 95% of starting talent is rostered after the draft, then it's silly to think you can cover bye weeks/injuries via the WW exclusively - even if you are a solid drafter. You simply have to be honest in assessing your team's weaknesses and fix them.I think though part of the issue is not just trading in and of itself - but knowing who to trade and when...especially in dynasty. Part of the issue (and fun) in dynasty is knowing when to "go after it" and when to rebuild. When to trade FOR young fliers - and when to trade them AWAY for guys like S. Smith, R. Wayne and W. McGahee.

The other thing that plays into it, is that trading of draft picks also plays a large part in dynasty. One guys in our league had traded for 3 1st rounders this past year - so he added Luck, Blackmon and D. Wilson. He is 0-2 this season - but in a year or two, he could be starting 2 studs and a decent RB (sorry - still don't think much of Wilson).

 

[Donsmith753]

4 last year. I'll stick them in spoilers so as not to bore people

Eta: just checked and there were 33 trades in that league last year. So just over 10% were mine.

Spoiler

1. Kaunas Buckeyes / Darth Ewing Colts Trade

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Wells, Beanie ARI RB;Brown, Antonio PIT WR; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes

Darth Ewing Colts gave up Murray, DeMarco DAL RB; Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Darth Ewing Colts

Thu Nov 17 6:57:25 p.m. ET 2011

2. Craigentinny Chargers / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Craigentinny Chargers gave up McKnight, Joe NYJ RB

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Beck, John WAS QB

Sun Nov 6 11:52:24 a.m. ET 2011

3. Inver Nessies / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Inver Nessies gave up Cook, Jared TEN TE

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Tue Sep 27 4:04:09 p.m. ET 2011

4. Saughton Seahawks / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Saughton Seahawks gave up Jennings, Rashad JAC RB;Gates, Antonio SDC TE;Colts, Indianapolis IND Def; Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Starks, James GBP RB;Gettis, David CAR WR

 

[Psychopav]

4 last year. I'll stick them in spoilers so as not to bore people

Eta: just checked and there were 33 trades in that league last year. So just over 10% were mine.

Spoiler

1. Kaunas Buckeyes / Darth Ewing Colts Trade

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Wells, Beanie ARI RB;Brown, Antonio PIT WR; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes

Darth Ewing Colts gave up Murray, DeMarco DAL RB; Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Darth Ewing Colts

Thu Nov 17 6:57:25 p.m. ET 2011

2. Craigentinny Chargers / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Craigentinny Chargers gave up McKnight, Joe NYJ RB

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Beck, John WAS QB

Sun Nov 6 11:52:24 a.m. ET 2011

3. Inver Nessies / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Inver Nessies gave up Cook, Jared TEN TE

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Tue Sep 27 4:04:09 p.m. ET 2011

4. Saughton Seahawks / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Saughton Seahawks gave up Jennings, Rashad JAC RB;Gates, Antonio SDC TE;Colts, Indianapolis IND Def; Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Starks, James GBP RB;Gettis, David CAR WR

Wait - does this mean that YOU were the champion of your league last year?

You are a shark among guppies, sir.

 

[gandalas]

4 trades for champ and runner-up.

 

[Donsmith753]

4 last year. I'll stick them in spoilers so as not to bore people

Eta: just checked and there were 33 trades in that league last year. So just over 10% were mine.

Spoiler

1. Kaunas Buckeyes / Darth Ewing Colts Trade

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Wells, Beanie ARI RB;Brown, Antonio PIT WR; Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes;Year 2013 Round 5 Draft Pick from Kaunas Buckeyes

Darth Ewing Colts gave up Murray, DeMarco DAL RB; Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Darth Ewing Colts

Thu Nov 17 6:57:25 p.m. ET 2011

2. Craigentinny Chargers / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Craigentinny Chargers gave up McKnight, Joe NYJ RB

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Beck, John WAS QB

Sun Nov 6 11:52:24 a.m. ET 2011

3. Inver Nessies / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Inver Nessies gave up Cook, Jared TEN TE

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Tue Sep 27 4:04:09 p.m. ET 2011

4. Saughton Seahawks / Kaunas Buckeyes Trade

Saughton Seahawks gave up Jennings, Rashad JAC RB;Gates, Antonio SDC TE;Colts, Indianapolis IND Def; Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks

Kaunas Buckeyes gave up Starks, James GBP RB;Gettis, David CAR WR

Wait - does this mean that YOU were the champion of your league last year?

You are a shark among guppies, sir.

Yeah. I had an ok year with trades last year but had some stinkers previously.Also I started the year as favourite and that's something one year won't tell you. I think to really do this properly you need to establish how teams have improved over the length of a league based on how many trades they make.

 

[Mainevent]

In the 5 year history of our league, we've average 45 trades a year (225 total).

Already 51 more trades and counting in year 6.

The 4 champions of the league (the one with the most trades has won 2x) have accounted for 17%, 20%, 23% and 45% involvement in the 225 trades.

Some trades bigger than others, lots of draft picks get moved around as well.

 

[FUBAR]

over 13 in one league - that league had 141 trades total. 32 team league.

 

[GregR]

I would give some more thought to the methodology.

If you want to correlate trading to winning, "league champion" is probably a poor criteria to use. It normally only takes making the playoffs, plus 2-3 victories. It could be the league champion was a dominant team, or a team who lucked into the playoffs then got lucky. I would think comparing trades to things like overall winning percentage, or rank in total points, would be a much better picture of the effect of trading.

I also suspect that if you are focusing on dynasty leagues, that you're probably starting with much too small of a window. I'd want to see trade history over 5 or 6 years I should think. Many rookie players won't even have done anything yet if just looking back a year, so I would expect the results of trading won't have shown up fully since many trades will involve rookie picks.

A pole in a thread is probably a poor way of collecting the data. As someone else mentioned, things like how much the league trades would play a role. If a team made 3 trades or a team made 6 trades, what does that mean? Not much without context. If the first team's league averages less than one trade per team then he trades a lot, while if the latter's league averages 9 trades per team then he didn't trade much. You can't really tell just from a single number.

I'd try to put a data set together to work with rather than just try to look at a poll. Maybe decide what data you need, in what form, and ask people to either post it for their leagues, or juts give you a link to their league site(s) so you can gather it.

FWIW, I did this several years ago with my leagues, comparing winning percentage to both trades, and waiver moves. I don't recall exact results now, but waiver moves was a very good predictor of winning percentage. Trades didn't correlate as strongly IIRC.

 

[unckeyherb]

I made a series of 6 trades, including some draft picks. The end result of everything was that I basically traded Eli and this years 4th round pick for Fitz and Roddy about a week or two prior to them both blowing up for the playoff run.

FWIW in 10 years I've made the championship game 3 times but one only once. I am definitely the biggest trader on our league. Prolly average between 6-10 trades a year. I'd wager league average is closer to 2-4.

 

[Donsmith753]

I decided to go back and look at this for the 3 year history of my league. I've not analysed the results yet but hopefully this helps give you some sort of answer.

For the record, Steelers won first year. Buckeyes the second.

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