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[LayItOnMe]

Would love some good ole fashion FFA advice. Here is what happened to me, then tell me how you would play this. Thank you.

I was just away with my family on vacation. One night I hit a casino and a very high up person at a very well known company happens to sit next to me. The whole black jack table has a fun vibe going. We are all drinking, rooting for each other, talking, etc. Very high up person next to me and I chat and chat. Over the course of a few hours, we cover his marital situation, his kids, where his kids live now, where he works, what he does, where he lives, and several random topics (many of which are funny). Sure it may sound like it was boring, but remember this is a blackjack table and this is over a few hours. I share the same things about my family, where I live, what I do for a living (and admit that I am looking for something new). Interestingly we happen to live very close to each other back at home.

We share many laughs. We are both drinking. (He is hitting hard.) I am guessing towards the end he was absolutely blitzed. But he did give me his email address before I left at some very late hour.

Now as I mentioned, I am looking for a new job. And he is very high up in an industry I am very much interested in. I have his email address. What is the play?

Just know that I do not know if he gave me his email address because he wanted to help me out regarding a job. Or if he gave it to me because he just wanted to be friendly and stay in touch. Or if he gave it to me because he was completely hammered and would not have otherwise given it to me if he had his sober senses. I really have no idea.

But I do know he is very high up in an area I would like to consider. My background and experience is not his exact area. But my background and experience has led to me having a similar skill-set that would be needed for his line of work.

Totally fake examples so you can see what I mean about different area, but definitely a helpful skill-set for other guy's company, as well as just how high this guy is there:

1. I have been an accountant for the NFL. And he is the Chief Financial Officer of MLB.

2. Or I have been a lawyer with a small boutique law firm working on general matters, with some focus on financial deals, transactions, contracts, etc. And he is the top named partner at a leading global law firm.

3. Or I have been a financial advisor with a Schwab type place. And he is the President of Goldman Sachs.

You get the idea. 1) Different area of work (would have to learn a lot). 2) But definitely within wheelhouse (not like doing accounting work and then trying to be a lawyer). So somewhat similar skill-set. 3) He is that high up.

What is the move? What is the best way to get his attention? Again he might have offered up his email address simply because he was hammered. But that does not mean that I cannot reach out. But when I do, I want to stay away from the boring generic stuff. I do not want:

Hi So-And-So, It was great meeting you in Place of Vacation. What a fun and hysterical night that was at the casino. Wanted to reach out to see if your group was hiring as I would love to come in and yada yada yada.

What do I hit him with? How do I grab his attention? He was a very funny guy. Cracking jokes left and right. So maybe something humorous. Any good ideas? Anything that if he read it, he would definitely be like I need to bring this guy in? This is the kind of guy I want to help out.

What do you think is my best move? Thank you.

 

[El Floppo]

either sleep with his wife or send a simple email saying hi, fun hitting the tables with you.

if either starts a conversation, follow up with another saying you'll do anything for a job.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Start hiding aces.

 

[John Bender]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

**** pic

 

[Willie Neslon]

Yes, he gave you his email address because he was hammered. You can email him anything you want but I think it'll likely be read with a slight sense of dread. The last time I got drunk I made plans with someone I had never met for a dual family vacation in Hawaii.

 

[LayItOnMe]

either sleep with his wife or send a simple email saying hi, fun hitting the tables with you.

if either starts a conversation, follow up with another saying you'll do anything for a job.

I appreciate the response. You don't think a follow-up with "will do anything for a job" is desperate? Or is desperate okay because nothing to lose?

I guess what I am after is how to be a little different from a normal email he would get. Something other than just: great meeting you, can you possibly hook me up?

Not a clue what that would be. But something that would make him want me to join him and his team. Something that would make him say, "I want this guy in here." But I fully admit that I have no idea what that would be.

 

[LayItOnMe]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

 

[LayItOnMe]

Yes, he gave you his email address because he was hammered. You can email him anything you want but I think it'll likely be read with a slight sense of dread. The last time I got drunk I made plans with someone I had never met for a dual family vacation in Hawaii.

Thanks for the response. This very well may be true that he did it only because he was hammered. Nonetheless, it does not mean I should not give it a try. But when I do, I don't know what to write to really get and turn up his attention.

Btw, how was that trip to Hawaii?

 

[John Bender]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Yes, he gave you his email address because he was hammered. You can email him anything you want but I think it'll likely be read with a slight sense of dread. The last time I got drunk I made plans with someone I had never met for a dual family vacation in Hawaii.

Thanks for the response. This very well may be true that he did it only because he was hammered. Nonetheless, it does not mean I should not give it a try. But when I do, I don't know what to write to really get and turn up his attention.

Btw, how was that trip to Hawaii?

Any email you send is going to be transparent. I don't think you're going to be able to joke your way into the front door without him knowing what's up. If you have to email him better, in my opinion, to just come right out with it.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Exactly.

Then, when you find the job you want, send him an email directly. Include your resume. And the, when he opens the Resume.docx file...BAM! Embedded jpeg of your dong!

 

[Bucky86]

Maybe he wants the sechs with you?

 

[LayItOnMe]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

 

[Willie Neslon]

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

good lord no

 

[John Bender]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

I can't help you any further if you don't want to use it as I laid it on you above, layitonme.

If I drunkely gave you my email address and you emailed me a week later about nothing other than "find me a job" or "lets meet up", I'd just delete the email and probably block your email going forward.

 

[mquinnjr]

We share many laughs. We are both drinking. (He is hitting hard.) I am guessing towards the end he was absolutely blitzed. But he did give me his email address before I left at some very late hour.

Now as I mentioned, I am looking for a new job. And he is very high up in an industry I am very much interested in. I have his email address. What is the play?

By all means, whatever you do, don't email this guy.



You should be on follow-up emails after the proper grace period by now, GB.

 

[LayItOnMe]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

I can't help you any further if you don't want to use it as I laid it on you above, layitonme.

If I drunkely gave you my email address and you emailed me a week later about nothing other than "find me a job" or "lets meet up", I'd just delete the email and probably block your email going forward.

I definitely appreciate the advice. And like I mentioned, I agree on the job boards on his company website idea.

But I have already done that. I am already there. Meaning I already found some tasty gigs I would be interested in.

Your suggestion was to use his email once I find an opportunity I like. But I still don't know how to word that email. Consider the following:

Hi So_and_so, It was great meeting you in Place_of_vacation the other day. Really enjoyed chatting with you. That was certainly a crazy and entertaining night at the casino. Good laughs all around. Anyway, I wanted to reach out because as you may recall, I am looking for a new job right now. I happen to notice on your company's website a couple of opportunities I would be very much interested in. Figured I would pass along my resume. Let me know if there is any way you could be of any help as I apply for GIG1 and GIG2.

Now don't take that as an exact word for word. Just going with general approach. It reminds him who I am. It is nice. It reminds me I am lkg for a job. And it brings to his attention that there are things on his very own company's website that I would be interested in. While also getting him a copy of my resume. But in the end, there is nothing about it that stands out. Nothing that makes him read it and think to himself, "Hmmm I'd really like to help this guy out."

Now maybe getting him to think that way from one email is a longshot. Maybe it is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I want to try. At the very least I want to include something a little different, something that grabs attention. Ideas of something to throw in? Or any suggestion on a better way to word it? Thanks for your help.

 

[jon_mx]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

I would not try to set up a lunch, let him initiate anything like that. I would e-mail him and remind him who you were and tell him you really enjoyed the conversation. Might even ask him about the rest of his trip or something that was brought up in your conversation. Then say something like, I hate to ask, but I am really interested in working for your company and I think I would be a really good asset. I put in my application, but is there anything I should be doing to get an interview? I appreciate any advice.

Don't ask for assistance, just advice. Let him volunteer any assistance if he is willing to do so. And leave it at that.

 

[John Bender]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

I can't help you any further if you don't want to use it as I laid it on you above, layitonme.

If I drunkely gave you my email address and you emailed me a week later about nothing other than "find me a job" or "lets meet up", I'd just delete the email and probably block your email going forward.

I definitely appreciate the advice. And like I mentioned, I agree on the job boards on his company website idea.

But I have already done that. I am already there. Meaning I already found some tasty gigs I would be interested in.

Your suggestion was to use his email once I find an opportunity I like. But I still don't know how to word that email. Consider the following:

Hi So_and_so, It was great meeting you in Place_of_vacation the other day. Really enjoyed chatting with you. That was certainly a crazy and entertaining night at the casino. Good laughs all around. Anyway, I wanted to reach out because as you may recall, I am looking for a new job right now. I happen to notice on your company's website a couple of opportunities I would be very much interested in. Figured I would pass along my resume. Let me know if there is any way you could be of any help as I apply for GIG1 and GIG2.

Now don't take that as an exact word for word. Just going with general approach. It reminds him who I am. It is nice. It reminds me I am lkg for a job. And it brings to his attention that there are things on his very own company's website that I would be interested in. While also getting him a copy of my resume. But in the end, there is nothing about it that stands out. Nothing that makes him read it and think to himself, "Hmmm I'd really like to help this guy out."

Now maybe getting him to think that way from one email is a longshot. Maybe it is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I want to try. At the very least I want to include something a little different, something that grabs attention. Ideas of something to throw in? Or any suggestion on a better way to word it? Thanks for your help.

Still seems too much like "Use your valuable time to help ME find a job"

Be specific about the job your interested in. Apply first (before you email him). Give it 2-3 days. Email the guy - 4 sentences or less. I can tell, by your OP, you're a loquacious guy. So you need to self edit - be short and sweet. The guys probably not looking for drinking buddies.

Guy,

Had a great time at "casino" getting to know a bit about you and what you do. As I mentioned, I'm looking for an opportunity in your industry and feel I'm well qualified to fit the role of [job you applied for]. I've applied via your website and would love the opportunity to interview for the position. If you have any oversight or influence over the process, any assistance you could provide with the hiring manager for the [what department?] department would be greatly appreciated as I'm excited about the opportunity to work for [company].

Respectfully,

Drunk Gambling Guy

 

[avoiding injuries]

Light, casual and to the point.

Hey Bob,

I had a good time hanging out the other night at xxx and hope the rest of your vacation went well. During the night, I told you I was interested in making a career move. I was wondering if you knew of anything opening up in your company or if you could point me in the right direction. If not, no problem.

Thanks for the time and I hope to hear back.

Layitonme

 

[John Bender]

Disagree with jonmx. I'd go for exactly what you're asking for. Putting in a good word for you. He gave you his email address, you're networking. If he didn't intend on using it in the manner you took it, f him and oh well for you.

 

[jon_mx]

I definitely appreciate the advice. And like I mentioned, I agree on the job boards on his company website idea.


But I have already done that. I am already there. Meaning I already found some tasty gigs I would be interested in.

Your suggestion was to use his email once I find an opportunity I like. But I still don't know how to word that email. Consider the following:

Hi So_and_so, It was great meeting you in Place_of_vacation the other day. Really enjoyed chatting with you. That was certainly a crazy and entertaining night at the casino. Good laughs all around. Anyway, I wanted to reach out because as you may recall, I am looking for a new job right now. I happen to notice on your company's website a couple of opportunities I would be very much interested in. Figured I would pass along my resume. Let me know if there is any way you could be of any help as I apply for GIG1 and GIG2.

Now don't take that as an exact word for word. Just going with general approach. It reminds him who I am. It is nice. It reminds me I am lkg for a job. And it brings to his attention that there are things on his very own company's website that I would be interested in. While also getting him a copy of my resume. But in the end, there is nothing about it that stands out. Nothing that makes him read it and think to himself, "Hmmm I'd really like to help this guy out."

Now maybe getting him to think that way from one email is a longshot. Maybe it is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I want to try. At the very least I want to include something a little different, something that grabs attention. Ideas of something to throw in? Or any suggestion on a better way to word it? Thanks for your help.

It is OK, but you need to stroke his ego a bit. Bring up something that he was really interested in talking about and ask him about that. I would not give him your resume, let him ask for it. Put your resume through the proper channels first. Don't ask him if there is anything he could do to help, that is a turn off. Asking for advise is as far as I would go. If he wants to actively help, let him volunteer it. But really think back of what was his real interest, something he really likes to talk about and fit that into the email.

 

[TheIronSheik]

It's called networking. You have the email address, use it.

But use it correctly. FIRST - search the job board for HIS company. Is there a job there you're interested in? If so, apply and shoot him a note to see if he can bump you up in the interview process or make a recommendation. Be sure to highlight your assets since he probably won't remember much of what you discussed and why you'd be a good fit for his company.

Is there a job in the industry currently open and perhaps there's a shot he knows someone at the "other" company - then shoot him an email and find out. Word it very simply as "do you happen to know anyone over at XYZ Co.? I'm applying for a job there..."

Do NOT just email him and ask him to "find me a job please".

Use it when you need it. It's an ace up your sleeve.

I appreciate the advice. And could not agree more with your last sentence of it being an ace up my sleeve. That is precisely why I don't want to ruin this. This guy randomly sits next to me, we hit it off, chat and laugh for hours. Now we're back in the real world away from vacation, away from casino, away from drink after drink. Now I have to hit him up, but looking for the best possible thing to say in the email so I don't have to go with the "please find me a job" as you mentioned. Really struggling with what the first move should read like.

Use it as I detailed above.

You don't need it right now. Comb the job boards for his company. When you see an opportunity. Use it. Most companies post jobs right on their website.

Totally agree on the job listings part. And have already looked through it. But I don't want to wait long on hitting him up.

And I am wondering if I should be honest & direct. That would mean including job interest in email 1.

Or if I should approach it as friendly and avoid any talk about job interest off the bat. Maybe something completely different like, "So when are we meeting up Name_Of_Restaurant?"

(He lives only about two towns away from me. And we were talking about this one restaurant (a little closer to him) that we both really like. So maybe something non-job related like asking about meeting up there could work. But my fear with that approach is that at some point I will bring up interest in a job, right? So with this approach maybe he would think I was only being buddy-buddy and wanting to meet up to eventually hit him up for a job. Who knows? Maybe a guy as high up as himself would appreciate a more direct approach. I honestly have no idea.)

I can't help you any further if you don't want to use it as I laid it on you above, layitonme.

If I drunkely gave you my email address and you emailed me a week later about nothing other than "find me a job" or "lets meet up", I'd just delete the email and probably block your email going forward.

I definitely appreciate the advice. And like I mentioned, I agree on the job boards on his company website idea.

But I have already done that. I am already there. Meaning I already found some tasty gigs I would be interested in.

Your suggestion was to use his email once I find an opportunity I like. But I still don't know how to word that email. Consider the following:

Hi So_and_so, It was great meeting you in Place_of_vacation the other day. Really enjoyed chatting with you. That was certainly a crazy and entertaining night at the casino. Good laughs all around. Anyway, I wanted to reach out because as you may recall, I am looking for a new job right now. I happen to notice on your company's website a couple of opportunities I would be very much interested in. Figured I would pass along my resume. Let me know if there is any way you could be of any help as I apply for GIG1 and GIG2.

Now don't take that as an exact word for word. Just going with general approach. It reminds him who I am. It is nice. It reminds me I am lkg for a job. And it brings to his attention that there are things on his very own company's website that I would be interested in. While also getting him a copy of my resume. But in the end, there is nothing about it that stands out. Nothing that makes him read it and think to himself, "Hmmm I'd really like to help this guy out."

Now maybe getting him to think that way from one email is a longshot. Maybe it is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I want to try. At the very least I want to include something a little different, something that grabs attention. Ideas of something to throw in? Or any suggestion on a better way to word it? Thanks for your help.

Still seems too much like "Use your valuable time to help ME find a job"

Be specific about the job your interested in. Apply first (before you email him). Give it 2-3 days. Email the guy - 4 sentences or less.

Guy,

Had a great time at "casino" getting to know a bit about you and what you do. As I mentioned, I'm looking for an opportunity in your industry and feel I'm well qualified to fit the role of [job you applied for]. I've applied via your website and would love the opportunity to interview for the position. If you have any oversight or influence over the process, any assistance you could provide with the hiring manager for the [what department?] department would be greatly appreciated as I'm excited about the opportunity to work for [company].

Respectfully,

Drunk Gambling Guy

You may want to replace the bolded and use your real name. Just my

 

[jon_mx]

Disagree with jonmx. I'd go for exactly what you're asking for. Putting in a good word for you. He gave you his email address, you're networking. If he didn't intend on using it in the manner you took it, f him and oh well for you.

I think you will get a lot more if he volunteers instead of is asked. If he really hit it off with the guy, he will volunteer a lot more than what he is asking for, IMHO.

 

[John Bender]

Disagree with jonmx. I'd go for exactly what you're asking for. Putting in a good word for you. He gave you his email address, you're networking. If he didn't intend on using it in the manner you took it, f him and oh well for you.

I think you will get a lot more if he volunteers instead of is asked. If he really hit it off with the guy, he will volunteer a lot more than what he is asking for, IMHO.

I guess, matter of opinion.

If I really want the job, I'm just going to flat out ask. There's a way to do it with tact and professionalism.

 

[LayItOnMe]

I really appreciate all the responses. Funny how John Bender and jon_mx have different approaches, but both seem legit and make sense. Thanks to both of you (as well as everyone else) for the suggestions.

My real goal, if I were allowed to be idealistic instead of realistic, would be not to apply for any specific job at his company where he would never oversee me anyway. My probably very unrealistic goal would be for him to sort of take me under his wings and work for him. Learn directly from him. Learn from the master. Learn from the guy that is extremely high up. Again I acknowledge that is beyond a long shot. But that would be the best. Sort of like him being a mentor to me, personally teach me, have me shadow him and learn from him.

Think Rocky V (even if the movie was the worst of the Rocky series). Rocky was the best. Rocky was a heavyweight champion. Rocky beat the best. And now Rocky wanted to impart his knowledge, his strategies, his work ethic, his approach to Tommy. (Again I know the movie was weak. And I know Rocky ignored his kid. And I know it ended bad with Rocky and Tommy. But I am just trying to quickly think on my feet here of a situation where a guy was the best - someone very high up - and decided to take a younger guy under his direction to teach him.

That is a longshot. But that would be awesome.

 

[DCThunder]

Email (or better yet call on the telephone) to tell him you have the "something" (be mysterious, if he was blitzed he won't remember elving anything, but he won't remember if he didn't) he left at the table and that you'd like to deliver it to him, in person, because it is so "valuable". Then show up at his office and give him your resume.

Report back...

 

[John Bender]

I really appreciate all the responses. Funny how John Bender and jon_mx have different approaches, but both seem legit and make sense. Thanks to both of you (as well as everyone else) for the suggestions.

My real goal, if I were allowed to be idealistic instead of realistic, would be not to apply for any specific job at his company where he would never oversee me anyway. My probably very unrealistic goal would be for him to sort of take me under his wings and work for him. Learn directly from him. Learn from the master. Learn from the guy that is extremely high up. Again I acknowledge that is beyond a long shot. But that would be the best. Sort of like him being a mentor to me, personally teach me, have me shadow him and learn from him.

Think Rocky V (even if the movie was the worst of the Rocky series). Rocky was the best. Rocky was a heavyweight champion. Rocky beat the best. And now Rocky wanted to impart his knowledge, his strategies, his work ethic, his approach to Tommy. (Again I know the movie was weak. And I know Rocky ignored his kid. And I know it ended bad with Rocky and Tommy. But I am just trying to quickly think on my feet here of a situation where a guy was the best - someone very high up - and decided to take a younger guy under his direction to teach him.

That is a longshot. But that would be awesome.

Not feasible, likely or even imaginable IMO unless he's looking to hire a personal assistant, which is a job you don't want anyway. I have no idea what industry this is, but this sounds like an actual BAD idea.

You want in the industry, take what you can get. Work your ### off, get there early, go home late, and work your way up through the ranks. This is how it's done these days (or for all of time) unless your father is the Chairman and President of the company. You seem younger? Maybe brought up in the generation of kids where everyone gets a participation trophy just for being there. Making an industry change is fine if you're in your 20's or something, but you still have to essentially start over in most cases. You're not going to be groomed to take over as CEO one day by the above approach, but you might end up as Vice President of something 15 years from now if you put in your time and make people notice you the old fashioned way.

Time to govern these delusions of grandeur and look at this for what it is, if you really want to make the change.

 

[DCThunder]

I really appreciate all the responses. Funny how John Bender and jon_mx have different approaches, but both seem legit and make sense. Thanks to both of you (as well as everyone else) for the suggestions.

My real goal, if I were allowed to be idealistic instead of realistic, would be not to apply for any specific job at his company where he would never oversee me anyway. My probably very unrealistic goal would be for him to sort of take me under his wings and work for him. Learn directly from him. Learn from the master. Learn from the guy that is extremely high up. Again I acknowledge that is beyond a long shot. But that would be the best. Sort of like him being a mentor to me, personally teach me, have me shadow him and learn from him.

Think Rocky V (even if the movie was the worst of the Rocky series). Rocky was the best. Rocky was a heavyweight champion. Rocky beat the best. And now Rocky wanted to impart his knowledge, his strategies, his work ethic, his approach to Tommy. (Again I know the movie was weak. And I know Rocky ignored his kid. And I know it ended bad with Rocky and Tommy. But I am just trying to quickly think on my feet here of a situation where a guy was the best - someone very high up - and decided to take a younger guy under his direction to teach him.

That is a longshot. But that would be awesome.

It also doesn't work that way in real life...

 

[TheIronSheik]

Email him back and say:

I've decided to take you up on you offer and accept (the position) you offered me. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity! My wife and kids have never been happier for me.

Signed,

Guy

 

[Annyong]

I knew a guy in college named Guy

 

[TheIronSheik]

I knew a guy in college named Guy

Was his last name LaFleur? Or maybe Smiley?

 

[John Bender]

Email him back and say:

I've decided to take you up on you offer and accept (the position) you offered me. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity! My wife and kids have never been happier for me.

Signed,

Guy

Thanks for the opportunity. When do I start, Hoss (use Hoss, not Boss)? I'll just assume I need to be there first thing Monday morning. Also, my email is on the fritz so I won't be able to respond to any follow up messages at this address. See you Monday.

Yours in Christ,

Drunk Gambool Guy

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

I knew a guy in college named Guy

Was his last name LaFleur? Or maybe Smiley?

Fiere

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Email him back and say:

I've decided to take you up on you offer and accept (the position) you offered me. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity! My wife and kids have never been happier for me.

Signed,

Guy

Thanks for the opportunity. When do I start, Hoss (use Hoss, not Boss)? I'll just assume I need to be there first thing Monday morning. Also, my email is on the fritz so I won't be able to respond to any follow up messages at this address. See you Monday.Yours in Christ,

Drunk Gambool Guy

P.S. - Where do we stand on you wanting to see my hanglow?

 

[wikkidpissah]

spare ticket invite

 

[jon_mx]

Email him back and say:

I've decided to take you up on you offer and accept (the position) you offered me. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity! My wife and kids have never been happier for me.

Signed,

Guy

P.S. Hardly any of the evidence of you and the goat remain.

 

[John Bender]

Email him back and say:

I've decided to take you up on you offer and accept (the position) you offered me. Again, thank you so much for the opportunity! My wife and kids have never been happier for me.

Signed,

Guy

Thanks for the opportunity. When do I start, Hoss (use Hoss, not Boss)? I'll just assume I need to be there first thing Monday morning. Also, my email is on the fritz so I won't be able to respond to any follow up messages at this address. See you Monday.Yours in Christ,

Drunk Gambool Guy

P.S. - Where do we stand on you wanting to see my hanglow?

P.P.S. PM me a snapshot of your rooster.

 

[elbowrm]

In most situations like this he will just forward your email to the appropriate person, if he wants to. That's pretty much your best case scenario, if you are that junior to him. Make this as easy as possible for him to do:

1) identify the position (and it should be only one position) with the job code in parentheses and the name of the recruiter, if you have it

2) attach your resume

3) avoid being overly familiar

4) don't say anything about casinos, blackjack, vegas, the rip roaring time you had, etc. - you just don't know if he wants details of that kind of thing going around the company, and if not he will just delete your email

 

[LayItOnMe]

I really appreciate all the responses. Funny how John Bender and jon_mx have different approaches, but both seem legit and make sense. Thanks to both of you (as well as everyone else) for the suggestions.

My real goal, if I were allowed to be idealistic instead of realistic, would be not to apply for any specific job at his company where he would never oversee me anyway. My probably very unrealistic goal would be for him to sort of take me under his wings and work for him. Learn directly from him. Learn from the master. Learn from the guy that is extremely high up. Again I acknowledge that is beyond a long shot. But that would be the best. Sort of like him being a mentor to me, personally teach me, have me shadow him and learn from him.

Think Rocky V (even if the movie was the worst of the Rocky series). Rocky was the best. Rocky was a heavyweight champion. Rocky beat the best. And now Rocky wanted to impart his knowledge, his strategies, his work ethic, his approach to Tommy. (Again I know the movie was weak. And I know Rocky ignored his kid. And I know it ended bad with Rocky and Tommy. But I am just trying to quickly think on my feet here of a situation where a guy was the best - someone very high up - and decided to take a younger guy under his direction to teach him.

That is a longshot. But that would be awesome.

Not feasible, likely or even imaginable IMO unless he's looking to hire a personal assistant, which is a job you don't want anyway. I have no idea what industry this is, but this sounds like an actual BAD idea.

You want in the industry, take what you can get. Work your ### off, get there early, go home late, and work your way up through the ranks. This is how it's done these days (or for all of time) unless your father is the Chairman and President of the company. You seem younger? Maybe brought up in the generation of kids where everyone gets a participation trophy just for being there. Making an industry change is fine if you're in your 20's or something, but you still have to essentially start over in most cases. You're not going to be groomed to take over as CEO one day by the above approach, but you might end up as Vice President of something 15 years from now if you put in your time and make people notice you the old fashioned way.

Time to govern these delusions of grandeur and look at this for what it is, if you really want to make the change.

I completely agree that it was not feasible or remotely imaginable. Was just talking idealistically out loud.

And I completely agree with the work your tail off approach if you want to move on up.

You said I seem younger? Younger than what? Younger than this guy who was in early 60s? Yes. Younger than a kid only a few yrs out of college? No. I am almost 40. I believe in hard work. I believe you need to work for what you want. But I do believe if you catch a break or get thrown a rope along the way - take it. There is no downside in that. In fact, most of my friends who have jobs where they are crushing it and have been moving up the ranks - most of them got their jobs initially from someone they knew. Grabbing onto a rope someone throws out is fine. The days of just send a cover letter and a resume and hope you get the job you are applying for seem remote to me. Not saying it does not happen. Just saying not a single friend of mine has their job through that approach.

That being said, my deep down hope is that this is some form of a rope. If that makes sense. If that were the case (an enormous if), I would then take it and run with it (or as you say: work ### off)!!

Just trying to figure out the best approach to that first email. You know the old saying, you only get one chance to make a first impression. Well I already made that impression, but we were both tipsy. So now I have only one chance to make that first re-introduction. Just don't want to blow it.

Oh and thanks for all the advice. It has been very good. And I really do appreciate it.

 

[LayItOnMe]

In most situations like this he will just forward your email to the appropriate person, if he wants to. That's pretty much your best case scenario, if you are that junior to him. Make this as easy as possible for him to do:

1) identify the position (and it should be only one position) with the job code in parentheses and the name of the recruiter, if you have it

2) attach your resume

3) avoid being overly familiar

4) don't say anything about casinos, blackjack, vegas, the rip roaring time you had, etc. - you just don't know if he wants details of that kind of thing going around the company, and if not he will just delete your email

Btw, great thinking. Very smart approach. But it was his personal email, not his work email he gave me. In your opinion, does that change whether you would in fact bring up casino, blackjack, etc?

 

[elbowrm]

Nope.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

In most situations like this he will just forward your email to the appropriate person, if he wants to. That's pretty much your best case scenario, if you are that junior to him. Make this as easy as possible for him to do:

1) identify the position (and it should be only one position) with the job code in parentheses and the name of the recruiter, if you have it

2) attach your resume

3) avoid being overly familiar

4) don't say anything about casinos, blackjack, vegas, the rip roaring time you had, etc. - you just don't know if he wants details of that kind of thing going around the company, and if not he will just delete your email

Btw, great thinking. Very smart approach. But it was his personal email, not his work email he gave me. In your opinion, does that change whether you would in fact bring up casino, blackjack, etc?

In line with this guys thinking, the only mention you should make to it is something so he will remember who you are. Be specific about the job you want and he will forward to the right person. It today's day and age, that may just get you a phone call from the initial recruiter. It's not like you can tell them that you partied with so-and-so and I want this job.

 

[Fennis]

send him an email and ask him if he likes you or if he likes, likes you.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Did the guy at least play blackjack correctly? Did he know when double down on a soft 17? When to surrender? When to split pairs? If not, you should use this opportunity to point out his errors , with particular reference to the underlying math. In my experience, people always appreciate it when you show them that they've been making basic math errors that a reasonably bright middle-schooler would have avoided.

Once he realizes that you can improve his blackjack game, he'll surely realize that you can be helpful in other areas too. That's your in.

 

[Fennis]

Did the guy at least play blackjack correctly? Did he know when double down on a soft 17? When to surrender? When to split pairs? If not, you should use this opportunity to point out his errors , with particular reference to the underlying math. In my experience, people always appreciate it when you show them that they've been making basic math errors that a reasonably bright middle-schooler would have avoided.

Once he realizes that you can improve his blackjack game, he'll surely realize that you can be helpful in other areas too. That's your in.

More questions: Did the guy know when to hold 'em? When to fold 'em? When to walk away? When to run? Did he know that you never count your money while sitting at the table? Did he know there is time enough for counting when the dealing is done?

 

[cstu]

Yes, he gave you his email address because he was hammered. You can email him anything you want but I think it'll likely be read with a slight sense of dread. The last time I got drunk I made plans with someone I had never met for a dual family vacation in Hawaii.

Not his concern.

 

[LayItOnMe]

Random question. But first, just know that this guy was on fire. Cracking jokes left and right. Truly a comedian at heart. (In fact, even mentioned that being a comedian was his true interest and felt like it was in his blood.) So he is rolling off jokes here and there, getting everyone to laugh. That being said, even though "The Iron Sheik" brought it up as a joke, is there much of a downside to the following: (Obviously it may not work. But it is an attention grabber. It is an attempt at humor. And there is no way a guy like this would be insulted by it - trust me, I can tell.)

For the below, fake names:

Bob - will be high up guy

Frank - will be me

Stacy - will be blackjack dealer who started serious, but he started in with fake stories getting her and everyone else to laugh

Jill - Bob's wife who was at the table as well

"Hi Bob,

I have decided to take you up on your generous offer from the other night at Place_Of_Vacation and accept that position you offered me. Sounded great! Again thank you so much for the opportunity. My wife and kids are thrilled.

Regards,

Frank

PS- Stacy played the part of pretending not to remember you and the history you shared with her so well that I doubt Jill suspected anything.

In all seriousness though, it was great meeting you in Vacation_Place. As I mentioned, I am looking around for a new job. I did happen to look over the Careers Portal on your company's website. And a couple of things really stood out and intrigued me. I was about to apply, as I think I would be a great asset. But wanted to first know whether there is anything I should be doing to get an interview, as this would be a new area for me. I appreciate any suggestions."

Btw, the serious part of this potential email is not in stone. It could easily vary depending on whether I go the "John Bender" approach of asking for assistance, the "jon_mx" approach of just asking for advice, or even the "Avoiding Injuries" approach with asking if he knew of anything opening up within his group or company.

Is this a bad move? It is his personal email, so no worries about his company seeing it. He was into humor big time. It is an attention grabber (or at least an attempt to). If he really has no interest in helping me, my guess is that he would not have much of an interest regardless of what I wrote. And there is also the chance that he appreciates the funny attempt.

What say you?

 

[cstu]

In most situations like this he will just forward your email to the appropriate person, if he wants to. That's pretty much your best case scenario, if you are that junior to him. Make this as easy as possible for him to do:

1) identify the position (and it should be only one position) with the job code in parentheses and the name of the recruiter, if you have it

2) attach your resume

3) avoid being overly familiar

4) don't say anything about casinos, blackjack, vegas, the rip roaring time you had, etc. - you just don't know if he wants details of that kind of thing going around the company, and if not he will just delete your email

Btw, great thinking. Very smart approach. But it was his personal email, not his work email he gave me. In your opinion, does that change whether you would in fact bring up casino, blackjack, etc?

Don't bring it up. If he liked you enough to give you his email he'll have at least a vague sense of who you are without referencing the specifics.