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Politeness, Courtesy, and Personal Happiness (2 Viewers)

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Nice article on how basic courtesy makes the practitioner happier. Things like saying “please” and “thank you” and other things we seem to be dropping from our discourse actually make the person acting with courtesy happier regardless of the situation.

But before that, an observation that I happen to agree with (to a degree).

“‘A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness,’ wrote Robert Heinlein in his 1982 futuristic novel, Friday. ‘A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.’”

Then on to the recommendations to make one’s self happier.


From the article, an interesting appeal not to altruism but to self-interest:

“My late father had impeccable manners, and I have no doubt that if he were still alive, he would start every request to AI with please and finish it with thank you. Years ago, I would have made fun of that—Dad, the bot doesn’t care!—but I’m sure he wouldn’t have paid any attention, because I now understand that his good manners were a demonstration of decent behavior to himself, about himself. And they would have protected him from some of the unhappiness we see all around. So today, I try to imitate him, online and in person, whomever or whatever I’m interacting with.”

We can all remind ourselves of this. I think that manners are also repetitive reinforcement that we are all human. No matter how rote or perfunctory or performative a “thank you” might be, just the physical act of saying or typing it reminds you that both you and the other person are there—both in spirit and incarnate.
 
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Nice article on how basic courtesy makes the practitioner happier. Things like saying “please” and “thank you” and other things we seem to be dropping from our discourse actually make the person acting with courtesy happier regardless of the situation.

But before that, an observation that I happen to agree with (to a degree).

“‘A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness,’ wrote Robert Heinlein in his 1982 futuristic novel, Friday. ‘A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.’”

Then on to the recommendations to make one’s self happier.


From the article, an interesting appeal not to altruism but to self-interest:

“My late father had impeccable manners, and I have no doubt that if he were still alive, he would start every request to AI with please and finish it with thank you. Years ago, I would have made fun of that—Dad, the bot doesn’t care!—but I’m sure he wouldn’t have paid any attention, because I now understand that his good manners were a demonstration of decent behavior to himself, about himself. And they would have protected him from some of the unhappiness we see all around. So today, I try to imitate him, online and in person, whomever or whatever I’m interacting with.”

We can all remind ourselves of this. I think that manners are also repetitive reinforcement that we are all human. No matter how rote or perfunctory or performative a “thank you” might be, just the physical act of saying or typing it reminds you that both you and the other person are there—both in spirit and incarnate.
This may be my favorite thing you have ever posted. Thank you.
 
Nice article on how basic courtesy makes the practitioner happier. Things like saying “please” and “thank you” and other things we seem to be dropping from our discourse actually make the person acting with courtesy happier regardless of the situation.

But before that, an observation that I happen to agree with (to a degree).

“‘A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness,’ wrote Robert Heinlein in his 1982 futuristic novel, Friday. ‘A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.’”

Then on to the recommendations to make one’s self happier.


From the article, an interesting appeal not to altruism but to self-interest:

“My late father had impeccable manners, and I have no doubt that if he were still alive, he would start every request to AI with please and finish it with thank you. Years ago, I would have made fun of that—Dad, the bot doesn’t care!—but I’m sure he wouldn’t have paid any attention, because I now understand that his good manners were a demonstration of decent behavior to himself, about himself. And they would have protected him from some of the unhappiness we see all around. So today, I try to imitate him, online and in person, whomever or whatever I’m interacting with.”

We can all remind ourselves of this. I think that manners are also repetitive reinforcement that we are all human. No matter how rote or perfunctory or performative a “thank you” might be, just the physical act of saying or typing it reminds you that both you and the other person are there—both in spirit and incarnate.

Really :goodposting:
 
Great post, and largely agree. My question to the group:

Does this apply “reply alls” on group texts/emails?

When, if ever, are closed loop communication niceties unwanted?

I can think of several instances in my work life, but none in face-to-face communication.
 
Nice article on how basic courtesy makes the practitioner happier. Things like saying “please” and “thank you” and other things we seem to be dropping from our discourse actually make the person acting with courtesy happier regardless of the situation.

But before that, an observation that I happen to agree with (to a degree).

“‘A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness,’ wrote Robert Heinlein in his 1982 futuristic novel, Friday. ‘A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.’”

Then on to the recommendations to make one’s self happier.


From the article, an interesting appeal not to altruism but to self-interest:

“My late father had impeccable manners, and I have no doubt that if he were still alive, he would start every request to AI with please and finish it with thank you. Years ago, I would have made fun of that—Dad, the bot doesn’t care!—but I’m sure he wouldn’t have paid any attention, because I now understand that his good manners were a demonstration of decent behavior to himself, about himself. And they would have protected him from some of the unhappiness we see all around. So today, I try to imitate him, online and in person, whomever or whatever I’m interacting with.”

We can all remind ourselves of this. I think that manners are also repetitive reinforcement that we are all human. No matter how rote or perfunctory or performative a “thank you” might be, just the physical act of saying or typing it reminds you that both you and the other person are there—both in spirit and incarnate.

This is basically the embodiment (and the entire point) of Tommy Lee Jones's character in "No Country for Old Men".
 
Nice article on how basic courtesy makes the practitioner happier. Things like saying “please” and “thank you” and other things we seem to be dropping from our discourse actually make the person acting with courtesy happier regardless of the situation.

But before that, an observation that I happen to agree with (to a degree).

“‘A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness,’ wrote Robert Heinlein in his 1982 futuristic novel, Friday. ‘A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.’”

Then on to the recommendations to make one’s self happier.


From the article, an interesting appeal not to altruism but to self-interest:

“My late father had impeccable manners, and I have no doubt that if he were still alive, he would start every request to AI with please and finish it with thank you. Years ago, I would have made fun of that—Dad, the bot doesn’t care!—but I’m sure he wouldn’t have paid any attention, because I now understand that his good manners were a demonstration of decent behavior to himself, about himself. And they would have protected him from some of the unhappiness we see all around. So today, I try to imitate him, online and in person, whomever or whatever I’m interacting with.”

We can all remind ourselves of this. I think that manners are also repetitive reinforcement that we are all human. No matter how rote or perfunctory or performative a “thank you” might be, just the physical act of saying or typing it reminds you that both you and the other person are there—both in spirit and incarnate.

This is basically the embodiment (and the entire point) of Tommy Lee Jones's character in "No Country for Old Men".

One of my favorite movies ever and largely for that reason. That and the speech about the coin flip.
 
I work in a public facing and stress inducing (for the patient) medical industry. I've always adopted a kill them with kindness attitude with regards to patient interactions. Despite that, some of the nicest old ladies can bring out the nastiest attitudes and have the worst things come out of their mouths. For me, I chalk it up to (mostly) stress. I know my job creates stress in the patient's life on top of the all the other stuff that I don't and never will know about. The point here is that, while politeness and courtesy may be indicators of happiness in a vacuum, it does not account for the stressors of someone's daily life. I have a patient who is absolutely terrified to be in my chair. He's been a patient for many years and had written glowing reviews on multiple occasions. He's sent many of his friends and family to us as well. Yet, every single time he comes in, he says "Man, I sure do hate the dentist", tries to tell me how to do my job or is just overall miserable. Last visit he shared that his childhood dentist was a real ahole who didn't use numbing meds and generally hated kids. That was a realization point that his trauma induced stress at the office wasn't about me, it was about his previous experiences. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are often things going on in the back of people's heads that can lead to a lack of courtesy and politeness that doesn't necessary mean they are overall unhappy.
 
i do a lot of work with charties and nonprofits and even and perhaps notably in that context i have really noticed as of late that people are extremely combative and do not sleep on emails before hitting send it is amazing how people can take offense and find crankiness in everything all the time i mean i can see why no one wants to volunteer when it is just a stream of bad manners and crankyness nothing good comes of it just be polite i really feel that civility has been on the decline throughout my life and it makes me sad take that to the bank brohans
 
Love this post. General politeness/courtesy is a lost "art".

At my dad's funeral, one of his long-time friends eulogized that he (my dad) would always wipe down the sink area after washing his hands in a public restroom. Not just to clean any mess he made, but that of those that preceded him. Kind of a way to be a better citizen/pay it forward to the next guy. He didn't advertise it, just did it to be a good human. Probably invoked more tears from me than anything anyone else (including myself) said at his funeral.

I wipe down any public bathroom sink to this day.
 

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