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Pop Quiz:What borderline former HOF got 30 yrs this week? (1 Viewer)

borderline is a fairly strong statement.

Also, from a legal standpoint he screwed himself by not taking the stand.

 
borderline is a fairly strong statement.Also, from a legal standpoint he screwed himself by not taking the stand.
meh if He doesn't get in can they ever let a special teams player in? I mean he was integral to a superbowl run, and he does have the most return yards of all time. I think he either has or was just eclipsed by hetser for TD returns.:confused:and to be honest, with a history of 4-5 alleged assualts, either he was judged to dumb to not say the wrong thing (head injuries red flag) or that it was done to keep out other testimony.witnesses as he cannot be trusted not to open the door (and bring other victims in-- ie saying "i would never disrespect a female'-- ORLY let's bring in this parade of females you've disrespected) or just that nothing good could come from his testimony.
 
a very intresting read

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2009

Post Concussion Syndrome: Facts, Myth, and Enigma

Multiple blows to the head are not good. Circa 1997, I received a call from a colleague in Buffalo, New York asking if I would evaluate the Buffalo Sabres Hockey Team. One of their key players sustained two "concussions" within 12 hours. Their trainers wanted to know if he should play the next game. The battery of tests on all players were to be used as baseline data. Should a injury arise, I was to return within 24 hours and re-test the player to help determine their "fitness for duty". I was not a big hockey fan in those days, but my son really wanted an autographed hockey stick from the guys. Besides, the era of having professional evaluations of sports concussions was on the rise. A colleague who trained with me at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York City's Department of Neurosurgey, was about to evaluate the New York Jets with a similar set of neuropsychological tests. The data accumulated from many professional contact sports teams evolved into screening instruments used widely today for professional sports and school football/hockey and even soccer teams.

My staff and I shuffled off to Buffalo in the dreary cold of February to arrive at the relatively new HSBC arena. After two days of testing the team members who were very cooperative we fowarded our findings to the team physician and key researcher in Pittsburgh.

The team was very careful to avoid concussional injuries from that point onward. They probably couldn't tolerate another Dr. Sorman evaluation. Unfortunately, the player who sustained the two concussions in 12 hours never returned to regular play, and became a footnote in the annals of hockey.

I learned from this experience, and through many sports related injuries sustained by my private patients over the years, that concussions are not additive; they are logarithmic. One plus one concussion does not equal two. The compounding effects of multiple concussions, over a short period of time, is problematic and potentially permenant. This is where the story of concussions, and the Post-Concussive Syndrome, becomes muddled.

A "concussion" is derived from the Latin "concussuss" meaning shake or shock. As noted in my earlier paper ("What's So Mild About Mild Traumatic Brain Injury"), operational definitions differ in MTBI. Similar differences are found in the literature on concussions and the so-called, Post-Concussion Syndrome.

According to the American Academy of Neurology, a concussion is a "trauma-induced alteration in mental status that may or may not involve a loss of consciousness. Confusion and amnesia are the hallmarks of concussion". Confusion and amnesia typically occur immediately after a blow to the head or several minutes later. Guidelines for the Management of Sports Concussions include the following symptoms:

1. A vacant stare

2. Slower to answer questions

3. Easily distracted

4. Slurred speech

5. Stumbling, inability to walk a straight line

6. Exterme emotions

7. Memory problems

8. Any period of loss of consciousness

A grading scale, developed by AAN, is often assigned to patients seen in the emrgency room:

Grade 1: Confusion and/or mental status changes with no loss of consciousness that resolves in less than 15 minutes.

Grade 2: Same as Grade 1, but symptoms last more than 15 minutes

Grade 3: Any loss of consciousness.

Typical concussion symptoms include: headache, confusion, nausea or vomiting, diminished attention/concentration, short-term memory problems, fatigue, irritability, hypersensivity to noise or bright lights, ringing in the ears, sleep difficulties, anxiety and/or depressed mood.

Symptoms that resolve within 7-10 days are considered a "simple concussion" and those symptoms that persist, a "complex concussion" that may involve multiple concussions within a short period of time (Prague Statement, 2004).

A Post-Concussion Syndrome (PCS), commonly cited by medical and legal practitioners, involves the challenge of evaluating criteria different from Mild Traumatic Brain Injury. In MTBI, the condition can occur with or without a loss of consciousness. In PCS, the ICD-10 and DSM-IV Research Criteria both require a loss of consciousness. Therefore, 90% of individuals sustaining a MTBI, would be precluded from a PCS diagnosis. In addition, the DSM-IV criteria requires that neuropsychological data substantiates difficulties with attention and memory. This would also require that a patient is evaluated for symptom validity, to determine the presence or absence of potential malingering. Remember that patients with MTBI symptoms will typically resolve within weeks or a few months post-trauma. Long standing symptoms are often a psychological reaction to the trauma, or the unleashing of old, unresolved traumas from prior experiences.

The Post-Concussion Syndrome is more elusive. This label has been assigned to patients who complain of physical, cognitive and emotional symptoms years after a trauma, that often times never involved a loss of consciousness. In fact, when reviewing many patient files, one notes mutiple Worker's Compensation Claims, history of previously unreported psychiatric issues and claims of cognitive alterations (i.e., memory probelms) years after the trauma in question.

Is PCS a real phenomenon? I believe it may be, depending on the individual's case history. The Buffalo Sabre Hockey player who sustained 2 serious (grade 2 and 3) concussions within 12 hours, had a Post-Concussion Syndrome lasting quite some time. Boxers, who accrue numerous concussions over the course of their careers, can sustain serious and life altering brain damage (e.g. Muhammed Ali) with "dementia pugilistica". Snowboarders who receive multiple (unhelmeted) head injuries within 6-9 months can have permanent brain damage affecting short-term memory. High school football and hockey players can sustain permanent brain damage from repeated concussions within a season.

How do we begin to determine true PCS from fabrication or psychological (psychogenic) origins? My work in Independent Medical Examinations has taught me that history, corroborated by hard medical facts, is a starting point. Neuropsychological screening devices for professional and school-age athletes are another objective measure to evaluate pre and post injury mental status. The consensus from recent research data on PCS is that unresolved subjective complaints of physical or cognitive impairments must be evaluated carefully and objectively. The PCS diagnosis is often times used as a convenient label for a simple concussion. Medical and legal pratitioners should be aware of these differences when rendering a diagnosis or making a legal claim.

I would like to add that my review of MTBI and PCS does not necessarily apply to concussional traumas sustained by individuals in combat by explosions or rapid ballistic injuries. I believe this domain deserves and requires a separate set of research criteria and evaluation. The physical force of such trauma, would, at the very least, likely produce potential dysfunction to inner ear systems regulating balance and proprioception. The psychological impact of such trauma I defer to my colleagues who specialize in this domain. There is also the question of acceleration trauma bearing on potential intracranial injury, where frontal and temporal regions of the brain are most vulnerable due to the boney protuberances in the skull.

The bottom line is we are only beginning to understand the complexity of concussional traumas and their potential for long term dysfunction. A thorough analysis of a patient's history, medical records, assessment of symptom validity and rigorous neuropsychological testing is a starting point to untangle this elusive diagnostic puzzle.

Peter B. Sorman, PhD, ABN

Diplomate, American Board of Professional Neuropsychology

Board Certified Clinical Neuropsychologist

POSTED BY DR PETER SORMAN AT 9:13 PM

http://drpetersorman.blogspot.com/2009/09/...s-myth-and.html

 
I don't get why ST players can't go to the hall. Guys like Megget and Tasker should get in, just put em in the corner in a special wing or something. :shrug:

They affected heavily a LOT of the games their teams won (and didn't soley do ST's either as both had moderate success at the skill positions from time to time)

 
I don't get why ST players can't go to the hall.
Two reasons off the top of my head:1. If you're playing special teams, it's probably a sign that you're not good enough to beat out a position player for a starting job.2. it's much harder to calculate VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) when it comes to kick returns. Meggett averaged 22 yards per kickoff return, but that's only 2 yards better than a touchback. Whose to say that Rodney Hampton wouldn't have averaged 22 yards per return if he'd done it full time?
 
Hipple said:
meh if He doesn't get in can they ever let a special teams player in? I mean he was integral to a superbowl run, and he does have the most return yards of all time. I think he either has or was just eclipsed by hetser for TD returns.:thumbup:and to be honest, with a history of 4-5 alleged assualts, either he was judged to dumb to not say the wrong thing (head injuries red flag) or that it was done to keep out other testimony.witnesses as he cannot be trusted not to open the door (and bring other victims in-- ie saying "i would never disrespect a female'-- ORLY let's bring in this parade of females you've disrespected) or just that nothing good could come from his testimony.
Most return yards what are you smoking he wasn't even close to being #1 in return yards when his career ended (That was Mel Gray Who's Still #3 Behind Brian Mitchell And #2 Allen Rossum) As for TD returns when his career ended he had only 7 PRTD and 1 KORTD (Jack Christansen/Rick Upchurch Held The PRTD Record with 8 and Mel Gray held the KORTD record with 6 and the record for Non-Offensive TD's Is held by Deion Sanders with 19 (Hester has 14))Guys like Billy Johnson/Brian Mitchell/Upchurch are much more deserving of the HOF then Meggett ever was.
 
I don't get why ST players can't go to the hall.
Two reasons off the top of my head:1. If you're playing special teams, it's probably a sign that you're not good enough to beat out a position player for a starting job.
I know one ST that IMHO deserves a spot and that's Brian Mitchell. It takes a special talent to be a top return guy it doesn't necessarily mean that you didn't have the "talent" to be a starter just that you had that something extra to help the team in a very underrated aspect of the game
2. it's much harder to calculate VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) when it comes to kick returns. Meggett averaged 22 yards per kickoff return, but that's only 2 yards better than a touchback. Whose to say that Rodney Hampton wouldn't have averaged 22 yards per return if he'd done it full time?
Sure it might not seem like much of a difference but when you get a "short" kick and add the average return to it then you have a slightly shorter field and it could make the difference between punting and trying a FG.
 
Hipple said:
basher said:
borderline is a fairly strong statement.

Also, from a legal standpoint he screwed himself by not taking the stand.
meh if He doesn't get in can they ever let a special teams player in? I mean he was integral to a superbowl run, and he does have the most return yards of all time. I think he either has or was just eclipsed by hetser for TD returns. :shrug:

and to be honest, with a history of 4-5 alleged assualts, either he was judged to dumb to not say the wrong thing (head injuries red flag) or that it was done to keep out other testimony.witnesses as he cannot be trusted not to open the door (and bring other victims in-- ie saying "i would never disrespect a female'-- ORLY let's bring in this parade of females you've disrespected) or just that nothing good could come from his testimony.
From what it sounds like, the girl admitted to having a sexual past with him. Getting on the stand and having him say "she said yes" turns it into a he said / she said battle that often gets tossed. Her admitting that they had a sexual past hurts her greatly if the defense used it.
 
The only Hall of Fame that Meggett has a shot of getting into is Chris Berman's.

"Look at that little Meggett run!"

 
a very intresting read

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 2009

Post Concussion Syndrome: Facts, Myth, and Enigma

Multiple blows to the head are not good. Circa 1997, I received a call from a colleague in Buffalo, New York asking if I would evaluate the Buffalo Sabres Hockey Team. One of their key players sustained two "concussions" within 12 hours. Their trainers wanted to know if he should play the next game. The battery of tests on all players were to be used as baseline data. Should a injury arise, I was to return within 24 hours and re-test the player to help determine their "fitness for duty". I was not a big hockey fan in those days, but my son really wanted an autographed hockey stick from the guys. Besides, the era of having professional evaluations of sports concussions was on the rise. A colleague who trained with me at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York City's Department of Neurosurgey, was about to evaluate the New York Jets with a similar set of neuropsychological tests. The data accumulated from many professional contact sports teams evolved into screening instruments used widely today for professional sports and school football/hockey and even soccer teams.

My staff and I shuffled off to Buffalo in the dreary cold of February to arrive at the relatively new HSBC arena. After two days of testing the team members who were very cooperative we fowarded our findings to the team physician and key researcher in Pittsburgh.

The team was very careful to avoid concussional injuries from that point onward. They probably couldn't tolerate another Dr. Sorman evaluation. Unfortunately, the player who sustained the two concussions in 12 hours never returned to regular play, and became a footnote in the annals of hockey.

I learned from this experience, and through many sports related injuries sustained by my private patients over the years, that concussions are not additive; they are logarithmic. One plus one concussion does not equal two. The compounding effects of multiple concussions, over a short period of time, is problematic and potentially permenant. This is where the story of concussions, and the Post-Concussive Syndrome, becomes muddled.

A "concussion" is derived from the Latin "concussuss" meaning shake or shock. As noted in my earlier paper ("What's So Mild About Mild Traumatic Brain Injury"), operational definitions differ in MTBI. Similar differences are found in the literature on concussions and the so-called, Post-Concussion Syndrome.

According to the American Academy of Neurology, a concussion is a "trauma-induced alteration in mental status that may or may not involve a loss of consciousness. Confusion and amnesia are the hallmarks of concussion". Confusion and amnesia typically occur immediately after a blow to the head or several minutes later. Guidelines for the Management of Sports Concussions include the following symptoms:

1. A vacant stare

2. Slower to answer questions

3. Easily distracted

4. Slurred speech

5. Stumbling, inability to walk a straight line

6. Exterme emotions

7. Memory problems

8. Any period of loss of consciousness

A grading scale, developed by AAN, is often assigned to patients seen in the emrgency room:

Grade 1: Confusion and/or mental status changes with no loss of consciousness that resolves in less than 15 minutes.

Grade 2: Same as Grade 1, but symptoms last more than 15 minutes

Grade 3: Any loss of consciousness.

Typical concussion symptoms include: headache, confusion, nausea or vomiting, diminished attention/concentration, short-term memory problems, fatigue, irritability, hypersensivity to noise or bright lights, ringing in the ears, sleep difficulties, anxiety and/or depressed mood.

Symptoms that resolve within 7-10 days are considered a "simple concussion" and those symptoms that persist, a "complex concussion" that may involve multiple concussions within a short period of time (Prague Statement, 2004).

A Post-Concussion Syndrome (PCS), commonly cited by medical and legal practitioners, involves the challenge of evaluating criteria different from Mild Traumatic Brain Injury. In MTBI, the condition can occur with or without a loss of consciousness. In PCS, the ICD-10 and DSM-IV Research Criteria both require a loss of consciousness. Therefore, 90% of individuals sustaining a MTBI, would be precluded from a PCS diagnosis. In addition, the DSM-IV criteria requires that neuropsychological data substantiates difficulties with attention and memory. This would also require that a patient is evaluated for symptom validity, to determine the presence or absence of potential malingering. Remember that patients with MTBI symptoms will typically resolve within weeks or a few months post-trauma. Long standing symptoms are often a psychological reaction to the trauma, or the unleashing of old, unresolved traumas from prior experiences.

The Post-Concussion Syndrome is more elusive. This label has been assigned to patients who complain of physical, cognitive and emotional symptoms years after a trauma, that often times never involved a loss of consciousness. In fact, when reviewing many patient files, one notes mutiple Worker's Compensation Claims, history of previously unreported psychiatric issues and claims of cognitive alterations (i.e., memory probelms) years after the trauma in question.

Is PCS a real phenomenon? I believe it may be, depending on the individual's case history. The Buffalo Sabre Hockey player who sustained 2 serious (grade 2 and 3) concussions within 12 hours, had a Post-Concussion Syndrome lasting quite some time. Boxers, who accrue numerous concussions over the course of their careers, can sustain serious and life altering brain damage (e.g. Muhammed Ali) with "dementia pugilistica". Snowboarders who receive multiple (unhelmeted) head injuries within 6-9 months can have permanent brain damage affecting short-term memory. High school football and hockey players can sustain permanent brain damage from repeated concussions within a season.

How do we begin to determine true PCS from fabrication or psychological (psychogenic) origins? My work in Independent Medical Examinations has taught me that history, corroborated by hard medical facts, is a starting point. Neuropsychological screening devices for professional and school-age athletes are another objective measure to evaluate pre and post injury mental status. The consensus from recent research data on PCS is that unresolved subjective complaints of physical or cognitive impairments must be evaluated carefully and objectively. The PCS diagnosis is often times used as a convenient label for a simple concussion. Medical and legal pratitioners should be aware of these differences when rendering a diagnosis or making a legal claim.

I would like to add that my review of MTBI and PCS does not necessarily apply to concussional traumas sustained by individuals in combat by explosions or rapid ballistic injuries. I believe this domain deserves and requires a separate set of research criteria and evaluation. The physical force of such trauma, would, at the very least, likely produce potential dysfunction to inner ear systems regulating balance and proprioception. The psychological impact of such trauma I defer to my colleagues who specialize in this domain. There is also the question of acceleration trauma bearing on potential intracranial injury, where frontal and temporal regions of the brain are most vulnerable due to the boney protuberances in the skull.

The bottom line is we are only beginning to understand the complexity of concussional traumas and their potential for long term dysfunction. A thorough analysis of a patient's history, medical records, assessment of symptom validity and rigorous neuropsychological testing is a starting point to untangle this elusive diagnostic puzzle.

Peter B. Sorman, PhD, ABN

Diplomate, American Board of Professional Neuropsychology

Board Certified Clinical Neuropsychologist

POSTED BY DR PETER SORMAN AT 9:13 PM

http://drpetersorman.blogspot.com/2009/09/...s-myth-and.html This is probably Pat Lafontaine
 

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