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Pope or Lewis, who's in the better spot? (1 Viewer)

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Seems both of these boys fell in good spots. Pope has the chance to start in what SHOULD be a high powered Cardinals offense. Lewis lands in Jacksonville where I believe he'll be the primary receiving TE. While I haven't seen either play, i've read that Pope is a little bigger and faster, but Lewis is much more athletic/fluid.

Does anyone have a strong opinion on either TE's chances for success? :banned:

 
Why do you say that LHUCKS?  I don't disagree, just curious.

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Lewis is more of a classic receiving TE whereas Pope is a better blocker. Watching Lewis at UCLA one would think he's capable of catching 70 balls at the pro level.Additionally, Denny doesn't throw to his TEs...historical stats prove this. In a Monday radio interview with Rod Graves, AZ GM, Graves emphasized his ability to block and be a redzone threat...not necessarily what you want to here from a fantasy perspective.

All in all, I just think Lewis is a better pure pass catching TE and I think he'll see more targets as well.

It could go either way, but my money would decidedly be on Lewis being the better fantasy TE of the two.

 
I see Pope as an NFL project. He is almost too big, speaking directly to his height, to play TE, as odd as that sounds. In theory a TE should easily be able to pressure and or exploit the seam in that Cardinals offense, given the talent outside and new threat of James. Pope is not that player. MASSIVE man and great blocker but not your garden variety pass catching type. As was mentioned, Green does not necessarily favor his TE but, considering the pressure his WR are going to put on a defense, the TE will be open more often than not.

Ever see a fawn or calf attempt to run? Sort of long, goofy stride and looking like they might brake stride and fall at any minute...make any sense? Pope has that type of coordination and I am not sure if he grows into his body or out of the problem.

Lewis is the better pro prospect, opinion.

 
Ever see a fawn or calf attempt to run?  Sort of long, goofy stride and looking like they might brake stride and fall at any minute...make any sense?  Pope has that type of coordination and I am not sure if he grows into his body or out of the problem.     

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:goodposting: Whodat, you drew an excellent picture with your words there. I have been beating the drum about being down on Pope because he plays stiff and upright, but you got to the point much better than I have this Spring.

Lewis, on the other hand, looks like an oversized WR out in patterns, fluid and smooth.

 
I think Klopfenstein could be better than either of them. He's already listed as the starter, and St. Louis is not a bad spot to be in.

 
Well I think that Pope will be the better TE. In Arizona he will not get the coverage that lewis or otherr TE's will get. In the RedZone he will be huge. While Lewis may end up with more catches than Pope. Pope will get more TD's which will give him the edge to me. Plus him being a better blocker means he will be on the field more.

As far as Klopfenstein he gets knocked down due to D Byrd who will steal some of the touchs from Klopfenstein.

 
Well I think that Pope will be the better TE.  In Arizona he will not get the coverage that lewis or otherr TE's will get.  In the RedZone he will be huge.  While Lewis may end up with more catches than Pope.  Pope will get more TD's which will  give him the edge to me.  Plus him being a better blocker means he will be on the field more.

As far as  Klopfenstein he gets knocked down due to D Byrd who will steal some of the touchs from Klopfenstein.

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I'm not buying this, personally. I get the impression that Byrd might be playing more of an H-back (lining up in the backfield, or in motion in 2 TE sets). He really looks the part and Linehan may decide to utilize him exactly as he did with Kleinsasser. I see Klop as much smoother, bigger, and seems to accelerate very quickly off the line (check his 10m split time, can't remember but it's quite good for a man his size/weight). Anyway, I'd look for Klop to put up pretty good #'s, taking reps at both TE and H/Back in 1 TE sets, and Byrd only getting significant reps on 2 TE sets. We'll know more once we start hearing things from camp.Klop is still my top rookie TE at the moment, however.

 
mercedes lewis will be the top rookie te in 2006.

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This statement is not as insane as it would appear. Lets not forget, the last time these guys played in actual games there was a lot of debate about what tight end would go first. If there was no such thing as a combine, the hype of Vernon Davis would be at about 20% what it is now. Granted it is nice that the guy ran a couple of tenths faster and lifted a bunch more reps, but Mercedes had more catches last year, more touchdowns, and won the award for best tightend in college football. Sometimes people get too carried away with combine numbers.Now looking at the offense both guys are entering, I would say the Jaguars are much stronger, he will have more competition for catches and will play in an offense where tightends have not normally been highlighted. On the other hand Vernon Davis should be far and away the number one target for the niners, but we have yet to see how they will use Eric Johnson, and if Alex Smith does not improve significantly than the 49er offense will not be doing much of anything.

I'm not saying that Mercedes will be better than Vernon Davis, but the notion that he may be is not as far off as most think. I remember back in January and February, prior to the combine, most of the guys at the Bears message board were debating which tightend we should take, it wasn't till later that it became apparent that we would come no where close to Vernon Davis.

 
Tony Scheffler has the opportunity to beat all of the TE's not named Davis, IMO.

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Ditto. :banned: Schleffler is kinda off the radar due to his small schools status....not a lot of information there except his NFL Draft Scouts work up.

Reading between the lines, you've got to like Schleffler to assume the H-Back roll that Putzier occupied....lots of yards per catch for 40-45 catches.

The keys for "Schef" are his upside and his redzone roll. If he works on his lower body strength, he's gonna get better and better. That blocking/torture sled deal that the strength coach employs in Denver will make this guy better than Putzier, not a Monster but a #7-10 rated TE.

 
Personally I think Lewis as well. Pope could develop into a better player, but with the all the proven talent at the skill posistion there are going to take away from his touches. Think Dallas Clark in Indy, while he blows up for a game or two, he isn't as consistant as most owners would like. Lewis has some decent talent in his situation, but it's not nearly as developed, so he doesn't have as big a hurdle to overcome to become a favortie target of Leftwhich.

 
I think Klopfenstein could be better than either of them. He's already listed as the starter, and St. Louis is not a bad spot to be in.

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i am with ya tex... the Rams traded away their only real pass catching TE, and picked up two rookies. KLOP is the guy in my opinion. while Byrd will be in on 2TE sets, I think Klopfenstein will be in nearly every down, blocking too... my math the more on the field, the better the chance of getting the ball..
 
I think Klopfenstein could be better than either of them. He's already listed as the starter, and St. Louis is not a bad spot to be in.

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i am with ya tex... the Rams traded away their only real pass catching TE, and picked up two rookies. KLOP is the guy in my opinion. while Byrd will be in on 2TE sets, I think Klopfenstein will be in nearly every down, blocking too... my math the more on the field, the better the chance of getting the ball..
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Klop might be the favorite and was drafted before Byrd. But you have to think that this will be an open competion
 
I think Klopfenstein could be better than either of them. He's already listed as the starter, and St. Louis is not a bad spot to be in.

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i am with ya tex... the Rams traded away their only real pass catching TE, and picked up two rookies. KLOP is the guy in my opinion. while Byrd will be in on 2TE sets, I think Klopfenstein will be in nearly every down, blocking too... my math the more on the field, the better the chance of getting the ball..
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Klop might be the favorite and was drafted before Byrd. But you have to think that this will be an open competion
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yes.. i would agree.. I just think Klop can do more as a TE than Byrd, and thus have more chances.. doesn't mean Byrd won't be a pass catching TE, that catch and run for 65 yards every time...
 
klop has been called a poor man's heap & has also elicited comp players such as witten & jay novacek...

byrd reminds me of jermaine wiggins...

with holt, bruce, curtis, jackson & faulk all catching the ball, it might limit their upside if both rams TEs further divide receptions...

if one of them asserts himself & gets bulk of the receptions, they could be a pleasant surprise...

 
I can't believe how many guys are way off the mark on Pope.

He is HUGE, with soft hands. I don't care how "fuild" he appears and niether will the opponents when he blows past LBs and snags the ball higher any DB or S could reach without stilts on.

He's not the best blocker, but we are talking FF here, I don't get points for a nice block.

 
I can't believe how many guys are way off the mark on Pope.

He is HUGE, with soft hands.  I don't care how "fuild" he appears and niether will the opponents when he blows past LBs and snags the ball higher any DB or S could reach without stilts on.

He's not the best blocker, but we are talking FF here, I don't get points for a nice block.

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tall+hands does not automatically equal success for receivers... if that were the case, every WR and TE would be 6'6" or taller.
 
Want to know why almost all of Lewis's highlights look so great?

Becasue the guy couldnt even gain seperation from LB's in college.

Therefore he has to rely on his hands and leaping ability.

And dont get me wrong he has excellent hands. But thats a small part of the equaton if you want to be a Stud TE.

On the NFL level I'm concerned about Lewis. I dont think he will be able to play the way he did in college with the 40 time he posted. You cant just come into the NFL and strong arm LB's and DB's on jump balls and be sucessful

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the "too big to be athletic TE Pope" run a better 40 than Lewis at the combine?!

EDIT Espn has the 40 times as follows

Lewis 4.84

Pope 4.65

 
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Want to know why almost all of Lewis's highlights look so great?

Becasue the guy couldnt even gain seperation from LB's in college.

Therefore he has to rely on his hands and leaping ability.

And dont get me wrong he has excellent hands. But thats a small part of the equaton if you want to be a Stud TE.

On the NFL level I'm concerned about Lewis. I dont think he will be able to play the way he did in college with the 40 time he posted. You cant just come into the NFL and strong arm LB's and DB's on jump balls and be sucessful

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the "too big to be athletic TE Pope" run a better 40 than Lewis at the combine?!

EDIT  Espn has the 40 times as follows

Lewis 4.84

Pope 4.65

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they both had terrible short shuttle and 3 cone times, which is more telling for a TE if you ask me. They will both have trouble separating, at least in the first 10-15 yards. Lewis's natural receiving skills will overcome this, Im not completely sold on Pope being a solid enough receiver to overcome it. He will be a good red zone target, but that could be the extent of his usefulness.
 
Want to know why almost all of Lewis's highlights look so great?

Becasue the guy couldnt even gain seperation from LB's in college.

Therefore he has to rely on his hands and leaping ability.

And dont get me wrong he has excellent hands. But thats a small part of the equaton if you want to be a Stud TE.

On the NFL level I'm concerned about Lewis. I dont think he will be able to play the way he did in college with the 40 time he posted. You cant just come into the NFL and strong arm LB's and DB's on jump balls and be sucessful

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the "too big to be athletic TE Pope" run a better 40 than Lewis at the combine?!

EDIT  Espn has the 40 times as follows

Lewis 4.84

Pope 4.65

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Route running is just as important to receivers success as speed. 4.84 is pretty slow but that doesn't factor in his routes or his speed in and out of routes.
 

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