Portis wants his bling bling (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

And I guess NE was playing by the rules when they let go of Milloy huh. Or the Bucs with Key.

Yes they were. They didn't do anything that violated any NFL rule. The players agreed to these rules (as I mentioned before). If the teams didn't anything illegal, the Players' Union would have done something abiut it IMMEDIATELY.

 

[3nOut]

Jason and all of you who said Portis SHOULD hold out and/or supported himortis himself now denies he ever said he would hold out and never would. He said he would honor his contract.

"I have a contract, what can I do?" Portis said. "I can't put no gun to nobody's head and make them let me out of it. I slapped my name on the dotted line. So I've got four years."

Exactly what he SHOULD do. Good man Portis, I just hope you keep your word...

 

[joffer]

Yes they were. They didn't do anything that violated any NFL rule. The players agreed to these rules (as I mentioned before). If the teams didn't anything illegal, the Players' Union would have done something abiut it IMMEDIATELY.

Does the Collective Bargaining Agreement prohibit players from holding out?

 

[Ibis81]

To me holdouts are a slippery slope for the players. When they hold out, they are basically stating that they desire a performance based payment schedule. The owners would love performance based pay for everyone. This might be great for Portis this year, but it undercuts the players as a union. It is this dynamic that gives so much power to the owners in this scenario because they are much more likely to hold ranks then the players ever will, as their horizon is longer. Aside from whether or not you think Portis is smart, dumb, greedy or anything else, in the long run holding out undercuts the players as a group. Everyone argues that Portis should get demand to get paid because his marketable timeframe is narrow. While holding out may fix his problem, the better answer for players in general is more gaurenteed money. The owners don't want that and can use individual players greed to avoid having to pay it.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jason and all of you who said Portis SHOULD hold out and/or supported himortis himself now denies he ever said he would hold out and never would. He said he would honor his contract.Exactly what he SHOULD do. Good man Portis, I just hope you keep your word...

He's backed off his statements, but at the same time he's also made it widely understood that he wants a new deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens if there isn't a new deal in place as training camp wraps up.Cheers

 

[3nOut]

Does the Collective Bargaining Agreement prohibit players from holding out?

No it doesn't. I never said that. They have theright to do so, but they know the consequences. Bottom line is, under the current rules, there is no breach of contract if the team does it but it may be considerd breach of contract if the players do. Is that fair? No, but those are the rules as they are now.

 

[3nOut]

Jason and all of you who said Portis SHOULD hold out and/or supported himortis himself now denies he ever said he would hold out and never would. He said he would honor his contract.Exactly what he SHOULD do. Good man Portis, I just hope you keep your word...

He's backed off his statements, but at the same time he's also made it widely understood that he wants a new deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens if there isn't a new deal in place as training camp wraps up.Cheers

s it is will be interesting. We'll see if he backtracks again. I don't hold anything agianst Portis for wanting to renegotiate, thats well within his rights. I'd have lost respect for him if he held out, and even more if he holds out now after saying he wouldn't.

 

[joffer]

No it doesn't. I never said that. They have theright to do so, but they know the consequences. Bottom line is, under the current rules, there is no breach of contract if the team does it but it may be considerd breach of contract if the players do. Is that fair? No, but those are the rules as they are now.

Then why aren't players that hold out sued for breach of contract?

 

[3nOut]

Then why aren't players that hold out sued for breach of contract?

Thats a good question. Don't know the process for suing someone. Maybe the costs involved would being greater than paying him? Maybe they think its better juts to suspend him without pay until he shows up. I guess it would be better for them to save some money than to spend it on lawyers and still might have to pay the player if they lose. Who knows? Plus, if they sue, its almost a certainty that the player won't come back. Or at least renew with them after the term. I'm sure there are tons of reasons.

 

[joffer]

Thats a good question. Don't know the process for suing someone. Maybe the costs involved would being greater than paying him? Maybe they think its better juts to suspend him without pay until he shows up. I guess it would be better for them to save some money than to spend it on lawyers and still might have to pay the player if they lose. Who knows? Plus, if they sue, its almost a certainty that the player won't come back. Or at least renew with them after the term. I'm sure there are tons of reasons.

I think it's because they'd lose and they know it. If they thought they could win, the costs wouldn't matter that much because they could be awarded damages. And given the revenue that an NFL team generates, those damages could be huge.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

thank god for Ahman Green:

Green, who signed a five-year, $17.5 million deal with the Packers in 2001, was asked last month if he was underpaid?"That's a funny question," he said. "I'm a blue-collar worker. I just come and do my job. It doesn't matter what I get paid. What the plays are called in the huddle and when we got to practice, that's all I worry about. All that other stuff will take care of itself."

 

[Everwars Nerd]

thank god for Ahman Green:

Green, who signed a five-year, $17.5 million deal with the Packers in 2001, was asked last month if he was underpaid?

"That's a funny question," he said. "I'm a blue-collar worker. I just come and do my job. It doesn't matter what I get paid. What the plays are called in the huddle and when we got to practice, that's all I worry about. All that other stuff will take care of itself."

I can't imagine why Green isn't complaining about his contract...Ahman Green

2004 3632000.00

2005 4375000.00

LaDainian Tomlinson

2004 1750000.00

2005 2000000.00

Clinton Portis

2004 380000.00

2005 455000.00

 

[smlevin]

I think it's because they'd lose and they know it. If they thought they could win, the costs wouldn't matter that much because they could be awarded damages. And given the revenue that an NFL team generates, those damages could be huge.

The actual problem is that it is impossible to quantify exactly what one player means to the team in terms of "damages."If it is marketability/wins/etc., the damages would be ASTRONOMICAL - as you mentioned - which leads to two unique problems:1) Slavery has been illegal around the world for a little while now, so the courts can not order that the player play for the team (specific performance of a service contract is not an allowable remedy).2) an award of damages to the team for breach would automatically set a VERY HIGH ceiling for agents to work with regarding their players' "market" value. Asking for damages from a player for refusing to play based on what the team expected it would make if the player played would absolutely destroy every NFL owner's ability to negotiate a player's value to the team. Besides it is impossible to calculate with mathematical precision what an individual player means to a team's won-loss record (thus, a town called Las Vegas).Finally, these statements about Portis saying he will not hold out are B.S. in the extreme. He might not hold out of training camp - but he won't play a single game for the Donkeys w/o a new K. If he is honorable, he will do like Priest and threaten to hold out form ganme one, but will BE THERE in training camp for his teammates and for the expectatuion that he team wil treat him right. I think players would earn a lot more 'spect for their K demands if they did that - train for the season up until game day, but don't play in the games if the team doesn't meet you halfway on your salary demands.Of course, a player w/o a contract shouldn't be in training camp risking injury, so this only applies to renegotiation/extension demands.