Possible Sneaky Democrat tactics - Is this possible? (1 Viewer)

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

It’s always interesting to see how to reach an end goal, when there seems no path to get there.

Let’s look at the balance of the US Senate. Relying on 2 Georgia run offs doesn’t seem to have a high probability of landing with 2 Democrats.

There are however 10 Republican Senators, that have Democrat Governors. Can Biden appoint any of these people to a cabinet position in the hopes of unifying the country lol  and let the Democrat Governor pick a replacement? 

Wisconsin is out as the Governor can’t appoint a interim Senator. 9 left

Louisiana only has 11 weeks before an election must be held. 7 left

Kentucky has Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. They could be offered Secretary of State and wouldn’t budge. 5 left.

That leaves Susan Collins of Maine, Steve Daines of Montana, Richard Burr and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Would any of these bite?

Is this pie in the sky or possible? Any other ways?

 

[Sea Duck]

How is this a sneaky tactic? Do you think that a Republican Senator is not allowed to turn down a job offer?

 

[Ilov80s]

If

It’s always interesting to see how to reach an end goal, when there seems no path to get there.

Let’s look at the balance of the US Senate. Relying on 2 Georgia run offs doesn’t seem to have a high probability of landing with 2 Democrats.

There are however 10 Republican Senators, that have Democrat Governors. Can Biden appoint any of these people to a cabinet position in the hopes of unifying the country lol  and let the Democrat Governor pick a replacement? 

Wisconsin is out as the Governor can’t appoint a interim Senator. 9 left

Louisiana only has 11 weeks before an election must be held. 7 left

Kentucky has Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. They could be offered Secretary of State and wouldn’t budge. 5 left.

That leaves Susan Collins of Maine, Steve Daines of Montana, Richard Burr and Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Would any of these bite?

Is this pie in the sky or possible? Any other ways?

Maybe one would bite but it is doubtful. They would pretty much have to switch parties or declare themselves Independent at that point. 

 

[The Commish]

Hadn't thought about this...good thought exercise  

 

[Joe Summer]

How is this a sneaky tactic? Do you think that a Republican Senator is not allowed to turn down a job offer?

Biden just needs to say "I hereby claim, for electoral purposes, that Susan Collins will now join my cabinet."

Once you invoke "hereby," there's nothing anyone can do about it.

 

[The Z Machine]

Knowing McConnell, he probably wouldn't confirm the cabinet pick if this were to happen. "Cool, you want Susan Collins for Sec. of DHS? NOPE! Not gonna confirm."

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Classic frank underwood

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

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Maybe one would bite but it is doubtful. They would pretty much have to switch parties or declare themselves Independent at that point. 

Why? Obama had a few Republicans in his cabinet. He tried unity and was rebuffed wholeheartedly.

Knowing McConnell, he probably wouldn't confirm the cabinet pick if this were to happen. "Cool, you want Susan Collins for Sec. of DHS? NOPE! Not gonna confirm."

Interim appointments doesn’t need confirmation, correct? Once the new Senator is on side and they can get to 50, McConnell is irrelevant.

Interim Senator is in place until the next state wide election can be held. Could be 2 years at the most?

Surely the perks of some available jobs could interest these potential people heal the nation in unity?

 

[Sammy3469]

Burr’s retiring anyway, so maybe he’d take something. 

 

[The Future Champs]

Knowing McConnell, he probably wouldn't confirm the cabinet pick if this were to happen. "Cool, you want Susan Collins for Sec. of DHS? NOPE! Not gonna confirm."

If it was Collins, you could probably convince her to switch parties before the confirmation process starts, thereby throwing the Senate to the Dems.   
 

Of course, though, this isn’t going to happen, b/c the GOP senators know that they could get backstabbed by Biden after they’ve left their seat.  Still, nice thought.

 

[Ilov80s]

Why? Obama had a few Republicans in his cabinet. He tried unity and was rebuffed wholeheartedly.

Did any of those Republicans swing the balance of the Senate in accepting the position?

 

[Capella]

I believe this is why Elizabeth Warren won’t end up in the cabinet. Republican governor. 

 

[RCon]

Why? Obama had a few Republicans in his cabinet. He tried unity and was rebuffed wholeheartedly.

Interim appointments doesn’t need confirmation, correct? Once the new Senator is on side and they can get to 50, McConnell is irrelevant.

Interim Senator is in place until the next state wide election can be held. Could be 2 years at the most?

Surely the perks of some available jobs could interest these potential people heal the nation in unity?

Would an "interim appointment" be required to give up the Senate seat?  Legit question, I don't know.

 

[Sweet J]

I don't think this has a realistic chance of being a thing. I doubt a republican senator would take that chance of being replaced by a Dem. Just like I doubt someone like Warren would take the chance that the R governor of Mass would replace her with an Rep.

 

[Kal El]

Personally, I don't think that anyone's thinking that far ahead, or why each side thinks the other is so nefarious. I just want them to work together despite their differences and get stuff done without lining their own pockets.

 

[apalmer]

Burr’s retiring anyway, so maybe he’d take something. 

As is Toomey.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I believe this is why Elizabeth Warren won’t end up in the cabinet. Republican governor. 

Bernie in a similar situation

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Historically democrats are about as sneaky as the hypothetical demon offspring of Elmer Fudd & Wile. E. Coyote.

 

[TLEF316]

The cabinet isn't the Kings Guard. Pretty sure you're allowed to say no if you want 

 

[Gr00vus]

The cabinet isn't the Kings Guard. Pretty sure you're allowed to say no if you want 

Well with Trump, demographically it was more like the Night's Watch.

 

[apalmer]

The cabinet isn't the Kings Guard. Pretty sure you're allowed to say no if you want 

True, but which would someone like Toomey want to be called for the rest of his life: "Former Senator Toomey" or "Former Secretary of the Treasury"?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I don't think this has a realistic chance of being a thing. I doubt a republican senator would take that chance of being replaced by a Dem. Just like I doubt someone like Warren would take the chance that the R governor of Mass would replace her with an Rep.

Depends on the reward? As apalmer intimated for those ambitious enough the right job title can get you on a good gravy train

Historically democrats are about as sneaky as the hypothetical demon offspring of Elmer Fudd & Wile. E. Coyote.

Which is why they need to go for the kill when they have a chance. Joe Biden would know most, if not all of the potential targets and see which one can be convinced. Two if he’s feeling like Lord Baelish. 

The cabinet isn't the Kings Guard. Pretty sure you're allowed to say no if you want 

Of course. Make them an offer they cant refuse. This isn’t tiddlywinks. Its so easy to sell “For the good of the country i need you to join us as secretary.....”  get them to name some terms and conditions. Of course they arent going to be stupid and should realize whats at play, but personal ambition usually beats collective ambition. 

Democrats need to play hardball and not be doormats any longer. 

 

[lazyike]

Really don't think this would be anything the opposing party is going to fall for...this has likely been thought of for many years. Not really sneaky at all and unless some Republican is ready to turn on the party they belong to I can't see it happening especially this year.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I believe this is why Elizabeth Warren won’t end up in the cabinet. Republican governor. 

This really belongs in the "structural reforms" thread, but it reminds me of one my favorites: elected officials should either be able to name their own replacements, or there should be a rule that the replacement has to come from the same party.  If you really think that Elizabeth Warren would be a good Treasury Secretary (God help us all), the fact that her state has a Republican governor shouldn't factor into that decision.  

 

[GroveDiesel]

Democrats need to play hardball and not be doormats any longer. 

IMO, this is something both sides should stop pretending is happening. Both side play as dirty as possible whenever they have the power to do so. When you’re in power you paint the other side as obstructionists and get rid of the filibuster. When you’re not in power you paint the other side as extremists that you can only stop by using available administrative tools and argue the other side should only pass legislation that both sides of the aisle can agree on. And then power flips and each party makes the exact opposite claims they were previously making. Rinse and repeat.

Got the Presidency? Executive Orders are needed to get things done quickly or to bypass a gridlocked Congress. Don’t have the Presidency? Executive Orders bypass the will of the people and should be limited. Rinse and repeat.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

IMO, this is something both sides should stop pretending is happening. Both side play as dirty as possible whenever they have the power to do so. When you’re in power you paint the other side as obstructionists and get rid of the filibuster. When you’re not in power you paint the other side as extremists that you can only stop by using available administrative tools and argue the other side should only pass legislation that both sides of the aisle can agree on. And then power flips and each party makes the exact opposite claims they were previously making. Rinse and repeat.

Got the Presidency? Executive Orders are needed to get things done quickly or to bypass a gridlocked Congress. Don’t have the Presidency? Executive Orders bypass the will of the people and should be limited. Rinse and repeat.

History according to Democrats: First the earth cooled.  Then the dinosaurs came.  Then Marrick Garland was denied a vote by Mitch McConnell.  

History according to Republicans: Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.  Then Robert Bork got steamrolled by Ted Kennedy.  Something something something and here we are today.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

This really belongs in the "structural reforms" thread, but it reminds me of one my favorites: elected officials should either be able to name their own replacements, or there should be a rule that the replacement has to come from the same party.  If you really think that Elizabeth Warren would be a good Treasury Secretary (God help us all), the fact that her state has a Republican governor shouldn't factor into that decision.  

Massachusetts has special elections to fill vacant Senate seats (at least after the governor can appoint a temporary fill-in). That's how Scott Brown became senator after the death of Ted Kennedy, before losing to Elizabeth Warren -- all under a Democrat governor (Deval Patrick).

Oddly enough, this came about over fears that then-Gov. Mitt Romney would appoint a Republican to replace John Kerry if he had won the 2004 presidential election.

 

[GordonGekko]

Democrats need to play hardball and not be doormats any longer. 

An inherent problem with the left is it needs to appeal a very wide range of special interests/diverse groups with conflicting demands to win most elections.

Rioting and looting was allowed in big blue cities because to oppose them openly would be opposing BLM and thus risk losing the black vote and the far left vote. So small business owners in that city were left to burn to the ground. While I haven't posted regularly in years, I do know many here, long time members, are also business owners.  And I have to believe, that many here, no matter their partisan leanings, cannot abide by this. Standing idle so as to not lose votes while cities burn. Where every day people with kids to feed are collateral damage for partisan warfare/gamesmanship. Same thing with stimulus. Neither side wanted to move forward so no one could take credit for it politically to swing the election, so nothing was done and honest every day Americans paid the price for it.

The DNC does NOT play soft or measured out of some kind of higher moral standard. They do so because they can't lose the votes they need. Red has it easier. Old Christian rural white gun owners as a base.

I don't see Cocaine Mitch fighting too many appointments. Biden is clearly a one term POTUS. His biggest draw is "He's Not Trump"  I don't see many Democrats with real aspirations wanting to hitch their horse to him.  I don't see anyone in red jumping on board to a guy with dementia.

Basic Art of War here - When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him.

Let the left run their table for four years and let them eat themselves. They are clearly fractured. They don't have anyone who offers a clean look in 2024 like a Dan Crenshaw and/or Nikki Haley.  The DNC needs the vote from the far left, so they allowed them to push too hard too fast and it's going to keep hurting them in elections. Who is chosen? Clinton and Biden were picked in part because they are elite fund raisers and generate a lot of money for the party. But they were mediocre candidates.

I believe Biden ( or his handlers to be precise) will offer Cabinet seats as payment for whomever were promised them in exchange for their political leverage during the election.  No one with real trajectory will jump on board. People who jump on a train knowing it's going to run out of track only do so when they know they don't have the power to ride anywhere else.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

History according to Democrats: First the earth cooled.  Then the dinosaurs came.  Then Marrick Garland was denied a vote by Mitch McConnell.  

History according to Republicans: Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.  Then Robert Bork got steamrolled by Ted Kennedy.  Something something something and here we are today.

Never heard of him

 

[the rover]

An inherent problem with the left is it needs to appeal a very wide range of special interests/diverse groups with conflicting demands to win most elections.

Rioting and looting was allowed in big blue cities because to oppose them openly would be opposing BLM and thus risk losing the black vote and the far left vote. So small business owners in that city were left to burn to the ground. While I haven't posted regularly in years, I do know many here, long time members, are also business owners.  And I have to believe, that many here, no matter their partisan leanings, cannot abide by this. Standing idle so as to not lose votes while cities burn. Where every day people with kids to feed are collateral damage for partisan warfare/gamesmanship. Same thing with stimulus. Neither side wanted to move forward so no one could take credit for it politically to swing the election, so nothing was done and honest every day Americans paid the price for it.

The DNC does NOT play soft or measured out of some kind of higher moral standard. They do so because they can't lose the votes they need. Red has it easier. Old Christian rural white gun owners as a base.

I don't see Cocaine Mitch fighting too many appointments. Biden is clearly a one term POTUS. His biggest draw is "He's Not Trump"  I don't see many Democrats with real aspirations wanting to hitch their horse to him.  I don't see anyone in red jumping on board to a guy with dementia.

Basic Art of War here - When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt him.

Let the left run their table for four years and let them eat themselves. They are clearly fractured. They don't have anyone who offers a clean look in 2024 like a Dan Crenshaw and/or Nikki Haley.  The DNC needs the vote from the far left, so they allowed them to push too hard too fast and it's going to keep hurting them in elections. Who is chosen? Clinton and Biden were picked in part because they are elite fund raisers and generate a lot of money for the party. But they were mediocre candidates.

I believe Biden ( or his handlers to be precise) will offer Cabinet seats as payment for whomever were promised them in exchange for their political leverage during the election.  No one with real trajectory will jump on board. People who jump on a train knowing it's going to run out of track only do so when they know they don't have the power to ride anywhere else.

Giant wall of words with no facts. 

 

[The Narrator]

Giant wall of words with no facts. 

On the bright side at least you know it's the same person with the keys to the account