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post draft rookie RB rankings (1 Viewer)

eakfootball

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After having a week to think about things here are my new rankings

1. Mark Ingram-NO

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

5. Shane Vareen-NE

6. Delone Carter-IND

7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL

8. Alex Green-GB

9. Balil Powell-NJ

10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL

11. Kendall Hunter-SF

12. Roy Helu-WAS

13. Taiwan Jones-OAK

14. DaRel Scott-NYG

15. Allen Bradford-TB

16. Jordan Todman-SD

17. Stevan Ridley-NE

18. Dion Lewis-PHI

19. Derrik Loche-FA

20. Johnny White-BUF

21. Chad Spann-FA

22. Baron Batch-PIT

23. Evan Royster-WAS

24. Anthony Allen-BAL

25. Stanly Havilli-PHI

 
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1. Mark Ingram-NO

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

5. Shane Vareen-NE

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

all 3 very very close. Reminds me of who was going to be the best dynasty RB in the Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Chris Perry

 
I think Bilal Powell should be moved up into top 10, ahead of guys like Quiz, Hunter, Scott, Jones.

 
I think Bilal Powell should be moved up into top 10, ahead of guys like Quiz, Hunter, Scott, Jones.
Powell will be in a major timeshare and maybe 3rd or 4th on the depth chart.
He has more talent than both greene and this stiff joe mcknight. Im not debating that he isnt going to share carries (isnt everyone these days). What I said was he should be ranked above those guys I mentioned, who also are all in line for timeshare duties at best I might add.
 
I think Bilal Powell should be moved up into top 10, ahead of guys like Quiz, Hunter, Scott, Jones.
Powell will be in a major timeshare and maybe 3rd or 4th on the depth chart.
Initially, but I'm a big fan of Powell's talent and situation. He'll start off 3rd behind an aging Tomlinson and an underwhelming Shonn Greene. I think Powell and Greene will end up as the Jets 1/2 punch for 2012 and beyond.
 
1. Mark Ingram-NO

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

5. Shane Vareen-NE

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

all 3 very very close. Reminds me of who was going to be the best dynasty RB in the Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Chris Perry
Hope this year's trio turns out better than those 3....
 
1. Mark Ingram-NO2. Ryan Williams-AZ3. Daniel Thomas-MIA4. Mikel Leshoure-DET5. Shane Vareen-NE6. Alex Green-GB7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL8. Delone Carter-IND9. Roy Helu-WAS10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL11. Kendall Hunter-SF12. Da'Rel Scott-NYG13. Taiwan Jones-OAK14. Balail Powell-NYJ15. Allen Bradford-TB16. Jordan Todman-SD17. Stevan Ridley-NE18. Evan Royster-WAS19. Derrik Loche-FA20. Dion Lewis-PHI21. Johnny White-BUF22. Chad Spann-FA23. Baron Batch-PIT24. Shane Bannon-KC25. Anthony Allen-BAL
I little explanation for each one would be nice. You have some guys really high that are both unproven talents and in a bad situation (Murray at 7th?). I agree with the B. Powell ranking though. No matter how hard I search I can only find one clip where he actually breaks a tackle. He looks like a track sprinter playing running back on a team that gave him gaping holes to run through. I think McKnight is a better runner and receiver (who has lacked motivation in the past). Powell looks to me like a prototypical college speedy, big-play running back. McKnight has a very quick one cut style that lends itself to the NFL much more so than the weaving style of Powell. We'll see I guess.
 
1. Mark Ingram-NO

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

5. Shane Vareen-NE

6. Alex Green-GB

7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL

8. Delone Carter-IND

9. Roy Helu-WAS

10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL

11. Kendall Hunter-SF

12. Da'Rel Scott-NYG

13. Taiwan Jones-OAK

14. Balail Powell-NYJ

15. Allen Bradford-TB

16. Jordan Todman-SD

17. Stevan Ridley-NE

18. Evan Royster-WAS

19. Derrik Loche-FA

20. Dion Lewis-PHI

21. Johnny White-BUF

22. Chad Spann-FA

23. Baron Batch-PIT

24. Shane Bannon-KC

25. Anthony Allen-BAL
I did a thread on the Allen Bradford, don't sleep on him.

I also like Murray and am happy he landed in Dallas with lots of talent on offense around him, think he will be perfect in best ball leagues

 
1. Mark Ingram-NO

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

5. Shane Vareen-NE

6. Alex Green-GB

7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL

8. Delone Carter-IND

9. Roy Helu-WAS

10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL

11. Kendall Hunter-SF

12. Da'Rel Scott-NYG

13. Taiwan Jones-OAK

14. Balail Powell-NYJ

15. Allen Bradford-TB

16. Jordan Todman-SD

17. Stevan Ridley-NE

18. Evan Royster-WAS

19. Derrik Loche-FA

20. Dion Lewis-PHI

21. Johnny White-BUF

22. Chad Spann-FA

23. Baron Batch-PIT

24. Shane Bannon-KC

25. Anthony Allen-BAL
I did a thread on the Allen Bradford, don't sleep on him.

I also like Murray and am happy he landed in Dallas with lots of talent on offense around him, think he will be perfect in best ball leagues
I'd love for someone to elaborate on Murray. I just don't see it. Where are his college stats, and what has to happen for him to get on the field in Dallas?
 
Alex Green seems high even if Jackson leaves.He would be 3rd in the pecking order, but they could design nice passing plays for him and Cobb this season.

I do like the potential for Mike McCarthy play-calling with those 2 in the mix.

 
Interesting list. Thanks.

For me, Green should probably be down 5-7 spots and Helu and Rodgers up maybe 3 spots each.

 
Demarco Murray had one of the lowest ypc of any rookie running back in the draft. He gets dinged up constantly and looks like a Felix jones clone - basically an underperformer.

 
[You have some guys really high that are both unproven talents and in a bad situation (Murray at 7th?).
I averaged out around a dozen sets of rankings pre-draft, and Murray was essentially tied with Thomas and Hunter for 4-5-6 in the average rankings among RBs. All talents are unproven at this point, but you make it sound like Murray wasn't highly regarded pre-draft. He was.
 
Good common sense list, very refreshing.

1. Mark Ingram-NO2. Ryan Williams-AZ3. Daniel Thomas-MIA4. Mikel Leshoure-DET5. Shane Vareen-NE6. Alex Green-GB7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL8. Delone Carter-IND9. Roy Helu-WAS10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL11. Kendall Hunter-SF12. Da'Rel Scott-NYG13. Taiwan Jones-OAK14. Balail Powell-NYJ15. Allen Bradford-TB16. Jordan Todman-SD17. Stevan Ridley-NE18. Evan Royster-WAS19. Derrik Loche-FA20. Dion Lewis-PHI21. Johnny White-BUF22. Chad Spann-FA23. Baron Batch-PIT24. Shane Bannon-KC25. Anthony Allen-BAL
 
Has anyone done up a WR list this detailed. I have my top 12-15 ranked, but would love to see someone's top 25 list.

 
1. Mark Ingram

2. Mikel Leshoure

3. Ryan Williams

4. Shane Vereen

5. Alex Green

6. Daniel Thomas

7. DeMarco Murray

8. Kendall Hunter

9. Roy Helu Jr.

10. Bilal Powell

11. Delone Carter

12. Jordan Todman

13. Jamie Harper

14. Taiwan Jones

15. Allen Bradford

16. Chadd Spann/Da'Rell Scott

 
Rodgers Hunter underrated Green Helu overrated
I get why you are saying this, but doesn't the fact that a great organization like GB would take Green in the 3rd with a ton of RB's still on the board and Shanahan putting his stamp of approval on Helu make you at least re-think your view some? Said another way, does this have any influence on your view of these guys pre-draft?

 
how does Shane Bannon make anyone's list? I don't think he he has ball carrying skills or Yale would have given him the ball at least once last year

 
This is the list I'm working with thus far... and it's a work in progress (I'm sure I'll be shuffling it around as I research more):

Ingram- I don’t think he’ll be force fed the ball, but he’ll be the lead back in a RBBC for a high-powered offense. And with teams so focused on Brees and the air attach, I really like Ingram’s odds of being very productive his rookie year and forward.

R Williams- I like his skill set. The situation in ARI is murky with Wells and Hightower still there. Williams is going to have to play really well to earn a big role in the offense or at least take advantage of any Wells injury that could occur. Long term, I like Williams pretty well, for this year, he might have some trouble getting a ton of work. I think with some patience, owners of Williams will be nicely rewarded, eventually.

D Thomas- Not the hugest fan from a purely talent standpoint, but for now, it looks like he landed in an ideal spot to play a lot and early. That said, there is still a chance that MIA brings in a RB to share time with the rookie. So, while his odds are good to get a lot of touches this season, I wouldn’t consider it a lock that he will be seeing 20+ touches per game at this point. Still a lot needs to shake out in NFL free agency.

M Leshoure- I like him as the power runner in the DET RBBC. I’m a big Best fan, but think there is a definite place for Leshoure in the DET running attack. My guess is a Best sees a few more touches per game, but that Leshoure gets plenty of action his rookie year and forward. Plus, I believe ball security is one of Leshoure’s strong attributes, so with that in mind and his size, I’m guessing he is the goal line and short yardage RB day 1. And if Best has trouble staying healthy, Leshoure’s value will obviously increase.

Helu Jr.- Torrain is still there in WAS and Royster was drafted a couple rounds after Helu. However, I still think Helu is eventually going to be the primary back in the WAS ground game or at least get a real crack at it. I don’t know his game too well, admittedly, but from what I understand he should be a solid fit in the one cut and go system in WAS. If you are not a believer in Torrain long term, Helu seems a good option to draft, but a case could be made that Royster is the value play if he can be had way later in drafts.

J Rodgers- He won’t be the primary ball carrier in ATL any time soon, barring a Turner injury, but I think he can be the 3rd down back right out of the gate and has a real shot to eventually work his way into a bigger role in some sort of RBBC as Turner is phased out in a couple years.

S Vareen- The NE backfield seems destined for full on RBBC for years to come, but Vareen is very likely to have a nice role somewhere in that mix.

D Carter- Indy’s backfield isn’t an area of strength. Carter could work his way into some real playing time with a strong camp and preseason.

T Jones- OAK has proven they can run the ball and McFadden has had some minimal trouble getting dinged up. Jones is fast (shocking OAK drafted speed) and could carve himself a role in that offense. Seems like a good upside player, but a bit of a long shot to get significant carries anytime soon.

K Hunter

A Green

B Powell

D Murray

D Lewis

J Todman

J White

 
How do the rookies(other than ingram) compare to last years rookie rbs like spiller or matthews?

 
How do the rookies(other than ingram) compare to last years rookie rbs like spiller or matthews?
From a talent/projection standpoint coming out of college I have:IngramMathewsBestSpillerWilliamsLeshoreNon top talents (Ben Tate, Daniel Thomas, etc)
 
'identikit said:
'JAA said:
1. Mark Ingram-NO

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

5. Shane Vareen-NE

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

all 3 very very close. Reminds me of who was going to be the best dynasty RB in the Julius Jones, Kevin Jones, and Chris Perry
Hope this year's trio turns out better than those 3....
AgreedIm tieing my horses to Mr Thomas ...

... the other year, it was KJ

 
'footballsavvy said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
'eakfootball said:
1. Mark Ingram-NO

2. Ryan Williams-AZ

3. Daniel Thomas-MIA

4. Mikel Leshoure-DET

5. Shane Vareen-NE

6. Alex Green-GB

7. DeMarco Murrey-DAL

8. Delone Carter-IND

9. Roy Helu-WAS

10. Jaquizz Rodgers-ATL

11. Kendall Hunter-SF

12. Da'Rel Scott-NYG

13. Taiwan Jones-OAK

14. Balail Powell-NYJ

15. Allen Bradford-TB

16. Jordan Todman-SD

17. Stevan Ridley-NE

18. Evan Royster-WAS

19. Derrik Loche-FA

20. Dion Lewis-PHI

21. Johnny White-BUF

22. Chad Spann-FA

23. Baron Batch-PIT

24. Shane Bannon-KC

25. Anthony Allen-BAL
I did a thread on the Allen Bradford, don't sleep on him.

I also like Murray and am happy he landed in Dallas with lots of talent on offense around him, think he will be perfect in best ball leagues
I'd love for someone to elaborate on Murray. I just don't see it. Where are his college stats, and what has to happen for him to get on the field in Dallas?
Agreed. Murray looks like Todd Pinkston in RB clothes. I believe if Murray is on any other team than OU, he doesnt produce squat. That is ... when he can stay healthy.
 
Final post draft ranks:

M Ingram

R Williams

M LeShoure

D Thomas

S Vereen

D Murray

K Hunter

D Carter

B Powell

J Rodgers

T Jones

D Lewis

J Todman

A Green

R Helu

Combo of pre and post draft rankings. Lower on Green and Helu than most.

 
D Thomas- Not the hugest fan from a purely talent standpoint, but for now, it looks like he landed in an ideal spot to play a lot and early. That said, there is still a chance that MIA brings in a RB to share time with the rookie. So, while his odds are good to get a lot of touches this season, I wouldn’t consider it a lock that he will be seeing 20+ touches per game at this point. Still a lot needs to shake out in NFL free agency.
FYI - he didnt miss a single college game
 
D Thomas- Not the hugest fan from a purely talent standpoint, but for now, it looks like he landed in an ideal spot to play a lot and early. That said, there is still a chance that MIA brings in a RB to share time with the rookie. So, while his odds are good to get a lot of touches this season, I wouldn’t consider it a lock that he will be seeing 20+ touches per game at this point. Still a lot needs to shake out in NFL free agency.
FYI - he didnt miss a single college game
Good to know. But I wasn't trying to imply with my comments that he was an injury risk etc. My bad if it came across that way. My concern with him sharing time is simply that MIA might try to bring in a FA (vet) to share the load with him. I think Thomas' odds of getting a good number of touches right out of the gate is good, just not a 100% lock.
 
With as bad as the Buffalo RB's performed last year, am I the only one looking at the kid Buffalo drafted as having some pretty good opportunity?

 
With as bad as the Buffalo RB's performed last year, am I the only one looking at the kid Buffalo drafted as having some pretty good opportunity?
I think that is a reasonable thought. I have Johnny White in my top 20 rookie RBs... and thought about putting him a few spots higher for that reason. Still could as I gather more info.
 
With as bad as the Buffalo RB's performed last year, am I the only one looking at the kid Buffalo drafted as having some pretty good opportunity?
I think that is a reasonable thought. I have Johnny White in my top 20 rookie RBs... and thought about putting him a few spots higher for that reason. Still could as I gather more info.
I liked White until he landed in Buffalo. It's not an ideal spot for a running back looking to bust out. Spiller is now motivated by the drafting of White and backs tend to fade in Buffalo. Lynch was happy as hell to get out of there. But maybe White breaks out. Fred Jackson is getting older and I think he just turned 30 so White or Spiller - someone should blow up.
 
I would rather have someone like Evan Royster ahead of Jaquizz Rodgers. Rodgers is behind Turner and Snelling for the next two years at least, and his size will probably keep him from becoming an every down back. Best case scenario, he is Napoleon Kaufman. Royster, on the other hand, has the size to potentially be an every down guy and he will compete in a wide-open field for PT this year! He probably won't become THE GUY, but you never know. At least with him, there is a possibility.

 
I would rather have someone like Evan Royster ahead of Jaquizz Rodgers. Rodgers is behind Turner and Snelling for the next two years at least, and his size will probably keep him from becoming an every down back. Best case scenario, he is Napoleon Kaufman. Royster, on the other hand, has the size to potentially be an every down guy and he will compete in a wide-open field for PT this year! He probably won't become THE GUY, but you never know. At least with him, there is a possibility.
Alot of people(including myself) thought that Jamaal Charles was probably too small to be an every down back, and was at least 2 years from getting a shot behind Larry Johnson. Ill take my chances on the guy i think is more talented(Rodgers) over the guy who might win the job by default(Royster).
 

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