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Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.

 
Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.
Well both you and Matt know more about this guy than I do. So I should not be so quick to judge. Maybe it will turn out to be a brilliant move and Ware will be higher ranked post Nfl draft than where a lot of scouts have him listed right now. Which is low enough to be pretty much under my radar until now.

 
Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.
Well both you and Matt know more about this guy than I do. So I should not be so quick to judge. Maybe it will turn out to be a brilliant move and Ware will be higher ranked post Nfl draft than where a lot of scouts have him listed right now. Which is low enough to be pretty much under my radar until now.
I'm not going to argue that's it wasn't a reach--it certainly was. But I didn't want to miss out on him and it turns out when I made the pick that an owner or two at the end of the second would have possibly taken him. There are also other factors--My WR's in this league are stacked. Dez, Harvin, Marshall, White, Shorts. And despite the depth at WR this year, my top 6 were off the board, whereas Ware was my #3 RB. So to me, it was better value AND a need, and I felt compelled to take my #3 RB while he was still there after 9 other backs went off the board. Didn't want to gamble. The only no-brainer picks I would have made over Ware at 2.4 were Eifert and Stacy, who were both recently picked. So I took my guy, and I hope NFL teams like him better than most draftniks do.
 
Just started. 14 team PPR. Will update as we go. Pretty unconventional so far, guys are obviously much more likely to go with their gut/eyes in this format when we have no idea how NFL teams have evaluated these guys. Its really fun the way these picks can come out of the blue as guys "reach" past conventional ADP to get their guys that they believe in: 1.1 Eddie Lacy1.2 Cordarelle Patterson1.3 Giovanni Bernard1.4 Da'Rick Rogers1.5 Tavon Austin1.6 Jonathan Franklin1.7 DeAndre Hopkins1.8 Montee Ball1.9 Keenan Allen1.10 Marcus Lattimore1.11 Justin Hunter1.12 Christine Michael1.13 Andre Ellington1.14 Zac Stacy2.1 Le'Veon Bell2.2 Tyler Eifert2.3 Knile Davis2.4 Spencer Ware2.5 Robert Woods2.6 Geno Smith2.7 Joseph Randle2.8 Markus Wheaton2.9 Quinton Patton2.10 Terrence Williams2.11 Stedman Bailey2.12 Mike Gillislee2.13 Zach Ertz2.14 Rex Burkhead3.1 Travis Kelce3.2 Stepfan Taylor3.3 Aaron Dobson3.4 Marquess Wilson3.5 Chris Harper3.6 Josh Boyce3.7 Kenjon Barner3.8 Ryan Swope3.9 Tyler Wilson3.10 James Casey3.11 Kerwynn Williams3.12 Jawan Jamison3.13 Miguel Maysonet3.14 Denard Robinson4.1 Ray Graham4.2 E.J. Manuel4.3 Mark Harrison4.4 Mike Glennon4.5 Gavin Escobar4.6 D.J. Harper4.7 Montel Harris4.8 Tavarres King4.9 Jordan Reed4.10 Marquise Goodwin4.11 Keenan Davis4.12 Matt Barkley4.13 Ryan Nassib4.14 Latavius Murray5.1 Dennis Johnson5.2 Stepfon Jefferson5.3 Marcus Davis5.4 Kenny Stills5.5 Vance McDonald5.6 Cobi Hamilton5.7 Charles Johnson
Mid 5th round bump. Getting really deep now.
 
Vance McDonald is a nice pick this late. One of the best all-around TE's in the draft.

 
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Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.
Well both you and Matt know more about this guy than I do. So I should not be so quick to judge. Maybe it will turn out to be a brilliant move and Ware will be higher ranked post Nfl draft than where a lot of scouts have him listed right now. Which is low enough to be pretty much under my radar until now.
I'm not going to argue that's it wasn't a reach--it certainly was. But I didn't want to miss out on him and it turns out when I made the pick that an owner or two at the end of the second would have possibly taken him. There are also other factors--My WR's in this league are stacked. Dez, Harvin, Marshall, White, Shorts. And despite the depth at WR this year, my top 6 were off the board, whereas Ware was my #3 RB. So to me, it was better value AND a need, and I felt compelled to take my #3 RB while he was still there after 9 other backs went off the board. Didn't want to gamble. The only no-brainer picks I would have made over Ware at 2.4 were Eifert and Stacy, who were both recently picked. So I took my guy, and I hope NFL teams like him better than most draftniks do.
Maybe he ends up a good player, still doesn't make it a good pick when you could have drafted the guy 2 rounds later.
 
While Waldman is a fervent college talent evaluator, he misses just as often as he hits. Spencer, to me, is not a special talent. He's not elusive and not very strong at the point of attack. I would hardly compare him to Marshawn Lynch. Every one has their own strategy but one that I have found to work in fantasy is to always take the best talent, regardless of position. Despite your depth at WR, taking a Wheaton, Patton, or Bailey, even Ertz, would seem more likely to 'hit' than would Ware. Then once you 'hit' on said player, you are able to maximize the value of that draft position and in turn use your WR depth as trade bait to flip for RBs if you so choose. I anticipate Ware getting drafted by a Jacksonville or Tampa, someone with a high quality starter in place with no real back up, much like Bernard Pierce (who I like a lot more than Ware).

 
Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.
Well both you and Matt know more about this guy than I do. So I should not be so quick to judge. Maybe it will turn out to be a brilliant move and Ware will be higher ranked post Nfl draft than where a lot of scouts have him listed right now. Which is low enough to be pretty much under my radar until now.
I'm not going to argue that's it wasn't a reach--it certainly was. But I didn't want to miss out on him and it turns out when I made the pick that an owner or two at the end of the second would have possibly taken him. There are also other factors--My WR's in this league are stacked. Dez, Harvin, Marshall, White, Shorts. And despite the depth at WR this year, my top 6 were off the board, whereas Ware was my #3 RB. So to me, it was better value AND a need, and I felt compelled to take my #3 RB while he was still there after 9 other backs went off the board. Didn't want to gamble. The only no-brainer picks I would have made over Ware at 2.4 were Eifert and Stacy, who were both recently picked. So I took my guy, and I hope NFL teams like him better than most draftniks do.
Maybe he ends up a good player, still doesn't make it a good pick when you could have drafted the guy 2 rounds later.
Read more closely. I said above that I later found out he was a target for two other owners in the late 2nd, so I couldn't have gotten him 2 rounds later.
 
I think after the first round, take the player you believe in as each league is different and despite similar scoring rules may have RB heavy trade market.

And looking at the draft, was there really any RB that is a consensus talent to be taken higher? You could argue higher rated QB, WR & TE talents still there, but not RB.

 
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Vance McDonald is a nice pick this late. One of the best all-around TE's in the draft.
I agree. I am a bit amazed with how deep some quality players are going in this draft, particularly for a 14 teamer.

4.10 Marquise Goodwin

4.11 Keenan Davis

4.12 Matt Barkley

4.13 Ryan Nassib

5.3 Marcus Davis

5.4 Kenny Stills

5.5 Vance McDonald

5.6 Cobi Hamilton

These are players all drafted after the top 50 players who I think are decent prospects with enough potential to perhaps be startable at some point in their careers. In most draft classes I find myself running out of guys like this after pick 30 or so not after 50.

I have started to eliminate some of the rookie prospects, but a lot more will get crossed off my list after the nfl draft.

 
I did some reading about Spencer Ware. From what I learned he had a pretty decent season in 2011 but last year he was in a 4 headed RBBC and was the least used of the 4.

As you can see from these splits- http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/spencer-ware-1/splits/2012/

Opponent Alabama 7 13 1.9 0 1 38 38.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Arkansas 9 22 2.4 0 3 26 8.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 Auburn 16 90 5.6 0 2 44 22.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Clemson 3 9 3.0 0 3 18 6.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Florida 8 21 2.6 0 1 20 20.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi 8 55 6.9 1 4 16 4.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi State 5 13 2.6 0 2 32 16.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 South Carolina 14 55 3.9 0 1 27 27.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Texas A&M 8 15 1.9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Towson 8 36 4.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Washington 8 38 4.8 0 1 9 9.0 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0.0Wares only decent game last season was against Auburn. I have seen a lot of highlight moves against that team during this offseason. Auburn just does not seem like they were a good defense last season. It leaves me wondering what Matt or others actually saw from him? Whatever it was I am guessing it happened in 2011.

Ware would not even attempt running the 40 yard dash, even at his pro day claiming hamstring issues. I am going to guess he does not want people to see a very bad time that would knock his already low stock even further. He did do a good amount of reps in the bench press is about the only positive I saw from the measurables.

Color me as still confused about why anyone would be so high on him. Could someone speak on his 2011 season and why he lost opportunity in 2012?

 
Just started. 14 team PPR. Will update as we go. Pretty unconventional so far, guys are obviously much more likely to go with their gut/eyes in this format when we have no idea how NFL teams have evaluated these guys. Its really fun the way these picks can come out of the blue as guys "reach" past conventional ADP to get their guys that they believe in: 1.1 Eddie Lacy1.2 Cordarelle Patterson1.3 Giovanni Bernard1.4 Da'Rick Rogers1.5 Tavon Austin1.6 Jonathan Franklin1.7 DeAndre Hopkins1.8 Montee Ball1.9 Keenan Allen1.10 Marcus Lattimore1.11 Justin Hunter1.12 Christine Michael1.13 Andre Ellington1.14 Zac Stacy2.1 Le'Veon Bell2.2 Tyler Eifert2.3 Knile Davis2.4 Spencer Ware2.5 Robert Woods2.6 Geno Smith2.7 Joseph Randle2.8 Markus Wheaton2.9 Quinton Patton2.10 Terrence Williams2.11 Stedman Bailey2.12 Mike Gillislee2.13 Zach Ertz2.14 Rex Burkhead3.1 Travis Kelce3.2 Stepfan Taylor3.3 Aaron Dobson3.4 Marquess Wilson3.5 Chris Harper3.6 Josh Boyce3.7 Kenjon Barner3.8 Ryan Swope3.9 Tyler Wilson3.10 James Casey3.11 Kerwynn Williams3.12 Jawan Jamison3.13 Miguel Maysonet3.14 Denard Robinson4.1 Ray Graham4.2 E.J. Manuel4.3 Mark Harrison4.4 Mike Glennon4.5 Gavin Escobar4.6 D.J. Harper4.7 Montel Harris4.8 Tavarres King4.9 Jordan Reed4.10 Marquise Goodwin4.11 Keenan Davis4.12 Matt Barkley4.13 Ryan Nassib4.14 Latavius Murray5.1 Dennis Johnson5.2 Stepfon Jefferson5.3 Marcus Davis5.4 Kenny Stills5.5 Vance McDonald5.6 Cobi Hamilton5.7 Charles Johnson
Mid 5th round bump. Getting really deep now.
I sort of like your draft. Not seeing your team doesn't make it easy but I think you have gotten some quality players all the way through.

Spencer Ware might have been a bit of a reach for me @ 2.4 but if you like someone you have to get them before the other teams so good for you to go get him.

I like seeing this draft as it is helping me figure out targets for my own draft where we will also be including IDP players. I am encouraged by the types of offensive players available in 3/4/5.

Thanks for posting you draft for us.

 
This one started this morning. Only four picks in so far.

http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=23236&O=17
I'm guessing this is not a start 2QB league since the first one drafted in at 1.08 - so what is up with Matt Barkley at 1.8?

Is it because of this:

Timer Expired Replacement pick made by Commissioner
Does that mean the commisioner makes the pick for anyone that times out? Has this ever lead to some one making a stink.

 
This one started this morning. Only four picks in so far.

http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=23236&O=17
I'm guessing this is not a start 2QB league since the first one drafted in at 1.08 - so what is up with Matt Barkley at 1.8?

Is it because of this:

>Timer Expired Replacement pick made by Commissioner
Does that mean the commisioner makes the pick for anyone that times out? Has this ever lead to some one making a stink.
That's an automated line, guessing the owner emailed the Commissioner and he input his pick manually

 
The owner timed out but was authorized to make a pick to make up for it and informed via email, but he was delinquent in responding so the draft continued until he logged on for his 2.9 pick at which point he made 2 picks. The commish just inserted one of them into the 1.8 slot, so actually Barkley was the 2.9 pick. 1 QB league, 6 pts all TD's.

 
How does Ware compare to Ridley, who was also overlooked leading up into the draft?
Ridley has much more wiggle, agility, maneuverability, whatever you wanna call it. And a really good burst. Spencer Ware looks a lot like Tim Hightower.

Ware and Lacy are closer in talent than people think.

 
The owner timed out but was authorized to make a pick to make up for it and informed via email, but he was delinquent in responding so the draft continued until he logged on for his 2.9 pick at which point he made 2 picks. The commish just inserted one of them into the 1.8 slot, so actually Barkley was the 2.9 pick. 1 QB league, 6 pts all TD's.
Sucks for him.
 
Just started. 14 team PPR. Will update as we go. Pretty unconventional so far, guys are obviously much more likely to go with their gut/eyes in this format when we have no idea how NFL teams have evaluated these guys. Its really fun the way these picks can come out of the blue as guys "reach" past conventional ADP to get their guys that they believe in: 1.1 Eddie Lacy1.2 Cordarelle Patterson1.3 Giovanni Bernard1.4 Da'Rick Rogers1.5 Tavon Austin1.6 Jonathan Franklin1.7 DeAndre Hopkins1.8 Montee Ball1.9 Keenan Allen1.10 Marcus Lattimore1.11 Justin Hunter1.12 Christine Michael1.13 Andre Ellington1.14 Zac Stacy2.1 Le'Veon Bell2.2 Tyler Eifert2.3 Knile Davis2.4 Spencer Ware2.5 Robert Woods2.6 Geno Smith2.7 Joseph Randle2.8 Markus Wheaton2.9 Quinton Patton2.10 Terrence Williams2.11 Stedman Bailey2.12 Mike Gillislee2.13 Zach Ertz2.14 Rex Burkhead3.1 Travis Kelce3.2 Stepfan Taylor3.3 Aaron Dobson3.4 Marquess Wilson3.5 Chris Harper3.6 Josh Boyce3.7 Kenjon Barner3.8 Ryan Swope3.9 Tyler Wilson3.10 James Casey3.11 Kerwynn Williams3.12 Jawan Jamison3.13 Miguel Maysonet3.14 Denard Robinson4.1 Ray Graham4.2 E.J. Manuel4.3 Mark Harrison4.4 Mike Glennon4.5 Gavin Escobar4.6 D.J. Harper4.7 Montel Harris4.8 Tavarres King4.9 Jordan Reed4.10 Marquise Goodwin4.11 Keenan Davis4.12 Matt Barkley4.13 Ryan Nassib4.14 Latavius Murray5.1 Dennis Johnson5.2 Stepfon Jefferson5.3 Marcus Davis5.4 Kenny Stills5.5 Vance McDonald5.6 Cobi Hamilton5.7 Charles Johnson5.8 Aaron Mellette5.9 Tyler Bray5.10 Cierre Wood5.11 Dion Sims5.12 Jake Stoneburner5.13 George Winn5.14 Michael Ford6.1 Michael Hill6.2 Connor Vernon6.3 CJ Anderson6.4 Chad Bumphis6.5 Kenbrell Thompkins6.6 Emory Blake6.7 Courtney Gardner6.8 Mike James6.9 Matt Scott6.10 Arrelious Benn6.11 Corey Fuller6.12 Dion Lewis6.13 Jasper Collins6.14 T.J. Moe7.1 Onterrio McCalebb7.2 Brandon Kaufman7.3 Ace Sanders7.4 Zach Rogers7.5 Jeremy Stewart7.6 Levine Toilolo7.7 Treavor Scales7.8 Ryan Otten7.9 Zac Dysert7.10 Chris Gragg7.11 Theo Riddick7.12 Tim Hightower7.13 Benny Cunningham7.14 Robbie Rouse
Draft finished. Notable prospects that went undrafted:Landry Jones Joseph FauriaMychal RiveraOther assorted deep TE's and QB's. RB's and WR's were of course totally picked through. Hell, I drafted a kid from Harvard and a couple really raw deep sleepers at WR. And then made a 5'5 RB Mr. Irrelevant.
 
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Yeah, that 2.4 pick was actually me, and I'm very happy with it. What's funny is I loved Ware leading up to this draft, and then was actually surprised to see that Waldman agreed with me as well, which reinforced my belief in Ware even more.
Well both you and Matt know more about this guy than I do. So I should not be so quick to judge. Maybe it will turn out to be a brilliant move and Ware will be higher ranked post Nfl draft than where a lot of scouts have him listed right now. Which is low enough to be pretty much under my radar until now.
I'm not going to argue that's it wasn't a reach--it certainly was. But I didn't want to miss out on him and it turns out when I made the pick that an owner or two at the end of the second would have possibly taken him.There are also other factors--My WR's in this league are stacked. Dez, Harvin, Marshall, White, Shorts. And despite the depth at WR this year, my top 6 were off the board, whereas Ware was my #3 RB. So to me, it was better value AND a need, and I felt compelled to take my #3 RB while he was still there after 9 other backs went off the board. Didn't want to gamble. The only no-brainer picks I would have made over Ware at 2.4 were Eifert and Stacy, who were both recently picked. So I took my guy, and I hope NFL teams like him better than most draftniks do.
Its always a good idea to go with your own ideas rather than just picking from others talent lists.. If the player hits.. you feel like your system worked that time and if the player misses at least you did it your way...

Plus drafting pre-NFL draft is always a bigger risk/reward.... Ware could get drafted in a great position and be taken well before 2.4 in rook drafts or vice versa.. I reached big time last year on a pick and it bit me.. so be it.. Still will use my picks and evaluation method.. all part of the game..

 
This one started this morning. Only four picks in so far.

http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=23236&O=17
BRUTAL:

1.08 8. Tastes Like Chicken Barkley, Matt FA QB ® Mon Apr 15 12:35:19 a.m. ET 2013 Timer Expired Replacement pick made by Commissioner
That was explained in an earlier post. That was his make-up pick for timing out. He didn't log on to make the replacement pick until 2.9. The pick was inserted into his original 1.8 slot by the commish.

 
This one started this morning. Only four picks in so far.

http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=23236&O=17
BRUTAL:

1.08 8. Tastes Like Chicken Barkley, Matt FA QB ® Mon Apr 15 12:35:19 a.m. ET 2013 Timer Expired Replacement pick made by Commissioner
Man, Quinton Patton at 3.07 is a steal.
This league has been running since 2006. People have been burned too many times going by someone else's or so-called expert rankings so I think this draft tends to not follow that kind of flow to a certain degree.

 
This one started this morning. Only four picks in so far.

http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=23236&O=17
BRUTAL:

1.08 8. Tastes Like Chicken Barkley, Matt FA QB ® Mon Apr 15 12:35:19 a.m. ET 2013 Timer Expired Replacement pick made by Commissioner
Man, Quinton Patton at 3.07 is a steal.
This league has been running since 2006. People have been burned too many times going by someone else's or so-called expert rankings so I think this draft tends to not follow that kind of flow to a certain degree.
I just joined this league and am happy to get Lattimore and Michael where I did.

 
My from the gut top 12 rookies (Dynasty draft next Saturday....our defensive players can score as much as offensive players)

1. Lavon Bell- Should be the man- little competition

2. Tavon Austin- instant production, should get amendolas catches

3. Eddie Lacey- His job to lose, but if you draft him try to get franklin later

4. Montee Ball- May not be the man at the beginning of the year, but should be once mcgahee goes down.

5. Z. Ertz- not as talented as eifert, but I like his situation much better.

6. C. Patterson- Should have the job day 1.

7. Ziggy Ansah- Huge upside and with that Dline, he shouldnt get double teamed.

8. Arthur Brown- will start right away in Ray Lewis' old spot. Should get lots of tackles.

9. Tyler Eifert- love his talent, but I am worried his excellent blocking skills might give him vernon davis syndrome.

10.Deon Jordan- potential for double digit sacks every year.

11. EJ Manuel- its a gamble

12. Barkevious Mingo- Sheard on the other side should leave him one on one.

 
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S.Ware is now burried behind Lynch, Michael & Turbin
And he might be a FB now, for some reason. Not one of my finest moments lol. I'm hoping they try to stash him on the PS and fail, or something.
 
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1st round in HyperActive 1 (PPR, QRWT 3 Flex)

1.01 - Austin

1.02 - Bernard

1.03 - Lacy

1.04 - Bell

1.05 - Hopkins

1.06 - Patterson

1.07 - Hunter

1.08 - Eifert

1.09 - Ball

1.10 - Lattimore

1.11 - Franklin

1.12 - Michael

 
cstu said:
1st round in HyperActive 1 (PPR, QRWT 3 Flex)1.01 - Austin1.02 - Bernard1.03 - Lacy1.04 - Bell1.05 - Hopkins1.06 - Patterson1.07 - Hunter1.08 - Eifert1.09 - Ball1.10 - Lattimore1.11 - Franklin1.12 - Michael
I had three of those picks plus the 2.01. I am giddy with Austin, Bell, and Eifert and Robert Woods with the first pick in the second. Was wanting Lattimore or Michael, but happier with someone who will likely contribute at least a year earlier than the other two...

 
I did some reading about Spencer Ware. From what I learned he had a pretty decent season in 2011 but last year he was in a 4 headed RBBC and was the least used of the 4.

As you can see from these splits- http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/spencer-ware-1/splits/2012/

Opponent Alabama 7 13 1.9 0 1 38 38.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Arkansas 9 22 2.4 0 3 26 8.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 Auburn 16 90 5.6 0 2 44 22.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Clemson 3 9 3.0 0 3 18 6.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Florida 8 21 2.6 0 1 20 20.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi 8 55 6.9 1 4 16 4.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi State 5 13 2.6 0 2 32 16.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 South Carolina 14 55 3.9 0 1 27 27.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Texas A&M 8 15 1.9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Towson 8 36 4.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Washington 8 38 4.8 0 1 9 9.0 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0.0Wares only decent game last season was against Auburn. I have seen a lot of highlight moves against that team during this offseason. Auburn just does not seem like they were a good defense last season. It leaves me wondering what Matt or others actually saw from him? Whatever it was I am guessing it happened in 2011.

Ware would not even attempt running the 40 yard dash, even at his pro day claiming hamstring issues. I am going to guess he does not want people to see a very bad time that would knock his already low stock even further. He did do a good amount of reps in the bench press is about the only positive I saw from the measurables.

Color me as still confused about why anyone would be so high on him. Could someone speak on his 2011 season and why he lost opportunity in 2012?
It's been quite a while (years) since I posted here but I am back as a member and thought this was as good a place as any to jump back in since I'm an LSU fan. It's tough to say why Ware lost carries as compared to previous years, especially since Miles really values inside runners who get consistent (even if unspectacular) yardage (Jacob Hester, for example). But this is the way it's been at LSU through both the Saban and Miles regimes. We are typically stacked at RB, like many SEC teams, but for some reason we tend to platoon these guys with minimal rhyme or reason as to the specific rotation (save for some occasional consistency for situation-specific roles). So, I wouldn't read too much into Ware losing touches as an indictment of his talent by the LSU coaching staff. I think he can safely be evaluated on his ability without concern that the coaches saw a deficiency or that he got into anyone's doghouse. Now, as to his ability, I think he's a lot like Marion Barber in that he's an underrated talent, but also in that he seeks out contact and may get nicked up a lot. He also didn't look as explosive taking reps alongside some of our other RBs like Michael Ford, Alfred Blue, Jeremy Hill, and Kenny Hilliard. I think he can be a productive NFL RB to be sure, but I think his main value will be as a reliable, tough runner who catches the ball well, pass blocks well, and so on, rather than an explosive starter.

 
I did some reading about Spencer Ware. From what I learned he had a pretty decent season in 2011 but last year he was in a 4 headed RBBC and was the least used of the 4.

As you can see from these splits- http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/spencer-ware-1/splits/2012/

Opponent Alabama 7 13 1.9 0 1 38 38.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Arkansas 9 22 2.4 0 3 26 8.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 Auburn 16 90 5.6 0 2 44 22.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Clemson 3 9 3.0 0 3 18 6.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Florida 8 21 2.6 0 1 20 20.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi 8 55 6.9 1 4 16 4.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Mississippi State 5 13 2.6 0 2 32 16.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 South Carolina 14 55 3.9 0 1 27 27.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Texas A&M 8 15 1.9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Towson 8 36 4.5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Washington 8 38 4.8 0 1 9 9.0 0 0 1 0.0 0 0 0 0.0Wares only decent game last season was against Auburn. I have seen a lot of highlight moves against that team during this offseason. Auburn just does not seem like they were a good defense last season. It leaves me wondering what Matt or others actually saw from him? Whatever it was I am guessing it happened in 2011.

Ware would not even attempt running the 40 yard dash, even at his pro day claiming hamstring issues. I am going to guess he does not want people to see a very bad time that would knock his already low stock even further. He did do a good amount of reps in the bench press is about the only positive I saw from the measurables.

Color me as still confused about why anyone would be so high on him. Could someone speak on his 2011 season and why he lost opportunity in 2012?
It's been quite a while (years) since I posted here but I am back as a member and thought this was as good a place as any to jump back in since I'm an LSU fan. It's tough to say why Ware lost carries as compared to previous years, especially since Miles really values inside runners who get consistent (even if unspectacular) yardage (Jacob Hester, for example). But this is the way it's been at LSU through both the Saban and Miles regimes. We are typically stacked at RB, like many SEC teams, but for some reason we tend to platoon these guys with minimal rhyme or reason as to the specific rotation (save for some occasional consistency for situation-specific roles). So, I wouldn't read too much into Ware losing touches as an indictment of his talent by the LSU coaching staff. I think he can safely be evaluated on his ability without concern that the coaches saw a deficiency or that he got into anyone's doghouse. Now, as to his ability, I think he's a lot like Marion Barber in that he's an underrated talent, but also in that he seeks out contact and may get nicked up a lot. He also didn't look as explosive taking reps alongside some of our other RBs like Michael Ford, Alfred Blue, Jeremy Hill, and Kenny Hilliard. I think he can be a productive NFL RB to be sure, but I think his main value will be as a reliable, tough runner who catches the ball well, pass blocks well, and so on, rather than an explosive starter.
:thumbup: Thanks for the response! Nice to hear more about the situation from a LSU fan.

I kind of figured that the rotation is more about an abundance of riches for a team like theirs than it is about losing opportunity to a superior talent (although there is likely some grooming of younger players involved in that as well).

I would think he is likely safe as a free agent in most leagues (as will be many of the players who get drafted in dynasty leagues). But good to know that he could be serviceable if he ever does get the opportunity. Things change fast in the Nfl especially at the RB position.

 
Hopkins and Patterson should be in the top 6. Ball and Franklin should not be in the top 6
agree with franklin, Ball not so much
I think this is perfect draft to fill holes in your roster and not worry about how the draft should play out or rankings.

 
Hopkins and Patterson should be in the top 6. Ball and Franklin should not be in the top 6
agree with franklin, Ball not so much
I think this is perfect draft to fill holes in your roster and not worry about how the draft should play out or rankings.
I don't how drafting the Packers backup RB helps someone fill out their roster.

 
Hopkins and Patterson should be in the top 6. Ball and Franklin should not be in the top 6
agree with franklin, Ball not so much
I think this is perfect draft to fill holes in your roster and not worry about how the draft should play out or rankings.
I don't how drafting the Packers backup RB helps someone fill out their roster.
Agree on the Franklin reach. My statement was more generic to this draft

 
Hopkins and Patterson should be in the top 6. Ball and Franklin should not be in the top 6
agree with franklin, Ball not so much
I think this is perfect draft to fill holes in your roster and not worry about how the draft should play out or rankings.
I disagree. Always take the best talent in this case. This time next year Hopkins and Patterson will have more value than Ball and Franklin.
 

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