Post Your 2013 Dynasty Rookie Draft (3 Viewers)

[az_prof]

1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4 WRs, 1 TE, 1 pt PPR.

http://football9.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=30865&O=17

I don't understand why Ellington, drafted later by the same team, is going higher in some drafts than Taylor? I know Taylor had a slow 40 time, but he looks like the real deal on film and is a 3 down back IF he is able to make it. I love Taylor's college production against good talent and also his agility, pass catching, and vision.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

12 team 1 pt PPR

 

[Adam Harstad]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

This seems insane to me. Davis was the 6th RB off the board in the NFL draft, a day two pick. He landed on a team where he seems to be the clear backup in one of the most RB-friendly systems on the planet. I get that there's a lot of "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" surrounding him, but his measurables are very impressive, and the Chiefs obviously had enough faith in him to sink a 3rd round pick despite glaring needs across their entire roster. There's no way he should be going in the 5th round. There's no way he should be the 14th RB off the board, behind guys like Rex Burkhead (a 6th round pick and the 16th RB taken in the draft) or Mike James (another 6th round pick, the 15th RB taken, and stuck behind Doug Martin for the duration of his rookie contract). Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I'm not a Knile fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm surprised by how far he's been falling in my drafts. I would've thought people would be lining up to reach for the height/weight/speed upside, but he's routinely been available in the third round of my 12 team leagues. Very odd considering that people are spending first round picks on Franklin and Lattimore, and second round picks on Stacy. Even Gillislee and Murray are going ahead of him sometimes. Too many people drafting for opportunity and looking for the immediate home run.

It's tough to understand so many far lesser talents in front of him, but do you really want to clog your roster up for years while hoping Charles gets injured? Perhaps into turns into more a timeshare like in the Thomas Jones days but I see that as his upside barring a Charles injury.

I'd rather not clog my roster, but it's not like a Jamaal Charles injury is his only path to relevance. He could get situational carries, especially if Kansas City is running a high volume of offense through the RB position. And even if you have to sit on him for a while... if you're drafting a guy as the 14th RB off the board, and he turns into Bernard Pierce or Ben Tate or Bryce Brown, that's still a big win.

 

[EBF]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

This seems insane to me. Davis was the 6th RB off the board in the NFL draft, a day two pick. He landed on a team where he seems to be the clear backup in one of the most RB-friendly systems on the planet. I get that there's a lot of "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" surrounding him, but his measurables are very impressive, and the Chiefs obviously had enough faith in him to sink a 3rd round pick despite glaring needs across their entire roster. There's no way he should be going in the 5th round. There's no way he should be the 14th RB off the board, behind guys like Rex Burkhead (a 6th round pick and the 16th RB taken in the draft) or Mike James (another 6th round pick, the 15th RB taken, and stuck behind Doug Martin for the duration of his rookie contract). Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I'm not a Knile fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm surprised by how far he's been falling in my drafts. I would've thought people would be lining up to reach for the height/weight/speed upside, but he's routinely been available in the third round of my 12 team leagues. Very odd considering that people are spending first round picks on Franklin and Lattimore, and second round picks on Stacy. Even Gillislee and Murray are going ahead of him sometimes. Too many people drafting for opportunity and looking for the immediate home run.

It's tough to understand so many far lesser talents in front of him, but do you really want to clog your roster up for years while hoping Charles gets injured? Perhaps into turns into more a timeshare like in the Thomas Jones days but I see that as his upside barring a Charles injury.

I'd rather not clog my roster, but it's not like a Jamaal Charles injury is his only path to relevance. He could get situational carries, especially if Kansas City is running a high volume of offense through the RB position. And even if you have to sit on him for a while... if you're drafting a guy as the 14th RB off the board, and he turns into Bernard Pierce or Ben Tate or Bryce Brown, that's still a big win.

Just got him at 3.09 in a 12 team start 2 RB league where RBs usually fly off the board (4 in the first 6 picks this year). Puked in my mouth a little bit because he isn't the kind of RB that I like at all, but it was just too much value to pass up at that point. If Murray and McFadden can achieve some FF value then I don't see why this guy can't. He reminds me of them. If he strings together 2-3 good games at some point in his career his trade value will double or triple.

I'm really surprised that there's a 15-20 pick ADP gap between him and Lattimore. In my view they're pretty similar in a lot of respects. Talented players who once upon a time had first round potential, but who can't stay healthy at all.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm really surprised that there's a 15-20 pick ADP gap between him and Lattimore. In my view they're pretty similar in a lot of respects. Talented players who once upon a time had first round potential, but who can't stay healthy at all.

Lattimore is a much more efficient back with a running style that translates much better to the NFL than Davis. He's also a better receiver and pass blocker. Lattimore breaks more tackles and gets more yards after contact. He's also a top notch character/work ethic player. Davis has major ball security issues and finished his career with a complete dud and didn't get the most carries on his team as a senior. I think you're vastly oversimplifying here.

 

[EBF]

I'm really surprised that there's a 15-20 pick ADP gap between him and Lattimore. In my view they're pretty similar in a lot of respects. Talented players who once upon a time had first round potential, but who can't stay healthy at all.

Lattimore is a much more efficient back with a running style that translates much better to the NFL than Davis. He's also a better receiver and pass blocker. Lattimore breaks more tackles and gets more yards after contact. He's also a top notch character/work ethic player. Davis has major ball security issues and finished his career with a complete dud and didn't get the most carries on his team as a senior. I think you're vastly oversimplifying here.

I like Lattimore's running style more. He's much more fluid with vastly superior change of direction skills, but I have no confidence in his ability to stay healthy. Thin lower body with two major injuries already. Even if he gets back to where he was, there's no guarantee that he won't get hurt again.

Both of these guys are really volatile. They could each go on a hot streak that inflates their value or they could implode completely. I have them rated 6 spots apart in my rookie rankings. I didn't expect to end up with either of them on any of my FF teams, but Davis is falling so far that even a big skeptic like me might take a chance on him. To put it into perspective, in the league that I mentioned only two other RBs in the past decade have fallen into the third round of our rookie draft after being selected in the first three rounds of the NFL draft (Coffee, Ridley). Across my leagues it seems like people are really leery of Davis. I think it's justified, but at some point the prospect of getting a third round RB outside the first 30 picks of your rookie draft becomes too good to pass up.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I think this is a very important concept in fantasy football that many fail to grasp. It isn't always about sticking to your opinion on a player, it is about risk/reward and playing the odds. Fantasy football is a lot about various probabilities, not absolutes. So many people here and in my leagues make definitive judgments about players and teams that they are unwittingly acquiring/keeping/depending on players with a lower probability of fantasy relevance than those they are biased against.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Zealots 15: Non-ppr, all tds 6 pts, IDP

Interesting start so far.

1.1 - Montee Ball

1.2 - Le'Von Bell

1.3 - Eddie Lacy

1.4 - Giovani Bernard

1.5 - Cordarrelle Patterson

1.6 - Marcus Lattimore

That last pick is brutal.

This is a particularly brutal draft class for those in non-ppr leagues.

Continuing...

1.07 - Smith, Geno NYJ QB
1.08 - Austin, Tavon STL WR
1.09 - Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR
1.10 - Woods, Robert BUF WR
1.11 - Dobson, Aaron NEP WR
1.12 - Franklin, Johnathan GBP RB
2.01 - Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
2.02 - Michael, Christine SEA RB
2.03 - Manuel, E.J. BUF QB
2.04 - Hunter, Justin TEN WR

2.05 - Randle, Joseph DAL RB
2.06 - Allen, Keenan SDC WR
2.07 - Wheaton, Markus PIT WR
2.08 - Stacy, Zac STL RB
2.09 - Brown, Arthur BAL LB
2.10 - Rogers, Da'Rick BUF WR
2.11 - Jordan, Dion MIA DE
2.12 - Barkley, Matt PHI QB
3.01 - Ertz, Zach PHI TE
3.02 - Williams, Terrance DAL WR
3.03 - Ellington, Andre ARI RB
3.04 - Bostic, Jon CHI LB
3.05 - Patton, Quinton SFO WR

3.06 - Ogletree, Alec STL LB
3.07 - Mingo, Barkevious CLE LB
3.08 - Kelce, Travis KCC TE
3.09 - Ansah, Ezekiel DET DE
3.1 - Jones, Jarvis PIT LB
3.11 - Escobar, Gavin DAL TE
3.12 - Minter, Kevin ARI LB
4.01 - Cyprien, Johnathan JAC S
4.02 - Swope, Ryan ARI WR
4.03 - Robinson, Denard JAC WR
4.04 - James, Mike TBB RB
4.05 - Wilson, Tyler OAK QB
4.06 - Vaccaro, Kenny NOS S
4.07 - Taylor, Stepfan ARI RB
4.08 - Burkhead, Rex CIN RB
4.09 - Moore, Sio OAK LB
4.10 - Boyce, Josh NEP WR
4.11 - Reid, Eric SFO S
4.12 - Elam, Matt BAL S
5.01 - Harper, Chris SEA WR
5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

5.03 - Te'o, Manti SDC LB
5.04 - Reed, Jordan WAS TE
5.05 - Glennon, Mike TBB QB
5.06 - Bailey, Stedman STL WR
5.07 - Nassib, Ryan NYG QB
5.08 - Gillislee, Mike MIA RB
5.09 - Murray, Latavius OAK RB
5.10 - Alonso, Kiko BUF LB
5.11 - Werner, Bjoern IND DE
5.12 - Stills, Kenny NOS WR
6.01 - Smith, Quanterus DEN DE
6.02 - Jones, Datone GBP DE
6.03 - Williams, Kerwynn IND RB
6.04 - Mellette, Aaron BAL WR
6.05 - Toilolo, Levine ATL TE
6.06 - Edwards, Lavar TEN DE
6.07 - Sanders, Ace JAC WR
6.08 - Harrison, Mark CHI WR
6.09 - Fuller, Corey DET WR
6.10 - Carradine, Cornellius SFO DE
6.11 - Milliner, Dee NYJ CB
6.12 - Taylor, Devin DET DE


Finished

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I think this is a very important concept in fantasy football that many fail to grasp. It isn't always about sticking to your opinion on a player, it is about risk/reward and playing the odds. Fantasy football is a lot about various probabilities, not absolutes. So many people here and in my leagues make definitive judgments about players and teams that they are unwittingly acquiring/keeping/depending on players with a lower probability of fantasy relevance than those they are biased against.

Absolutely! I am about as down as anyone on Davis, and I would snatch him in the 5th round of my rookie drafts

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I think this is a very important concept in fantasy football that many fail to grasp. It isn't always about sticking to your opinion on a player, it is about risk/reward and playing the odds. Fantasy football is a lot about various probabilities, not absolutes. So many people here and in my leagues make definitive judgments about players and teams that they are unwittingly acquiring/keeping/depending on players with a lower probability of fantasy relevance than those they are biased against.

Absolutely! I am about as down as anyone on Davis, and I would snatch him in the 5th round of my rookie drafts

people taking rex burkhead instead of Knile Davis? yikes

 

[Cookiemonster]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I think this is a very important concept in fantasy football that many fail to grasp. It isn't always about sticking to your opinion on a player, it is about risk/reward and playing the odds. Fantasy football is a lot about various probabilities, not absolutes. So many people here and in my leagues make definitive judgments about players and teams that they are unwittingly acquiring/keeping/depending on players with a lower probability of fantasy relevance than those they are biased against.

Absolutely! I am about as down as anyone on Davis, and I would snatch him in the 5th round of my rookie drafts

You have to! I took him at 3.03. Can't stand Knile Davis as a player and I think he has no shot at an NFL career. I think there are 3 possibilities with him:

1) It's possible I'm wrong about him and he is a good, big, complimentary back.

2) It's possible K.C. is wrong about him and overdrafted him by 2 rounds and he never sniffs the field in games that count.

3) Someone else is likely to remember his 2010 or watch too much YouTube and you can trade him off for more value.

I was able to toss him into a trade that I had been unable to consummate. BAM!!! Accepted. Wasn't likely to get that much play from any other 3rd round rookie. If you get no takers now, wait 'till he rips off a big run in the 3rd Q of a preseason game against players who will be out of a job come Sept. He has name value if nothing else, so that means he will be given more chances than most players, and you will be able to turn that into something else for longer than you could if Andre Ellington has the same career.

If you like someone else that much I'm not advocating taking him at 3.03, but I wouldn't let him get into the 4th. I had two more picks coming up soon and knew players I liked more would still be there but wanted to get the jump on anybody else that thought they could do the same draft and flip.

 

[jacobo_moses]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)
2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)
3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU)
4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)
5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)
6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)
7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)
8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)
9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO)
10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)
11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)
12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)
13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)
14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)
16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)
17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)
19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN)
20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)
21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)
22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC)
23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

 

[cstu]

I know it's an AC, but Michael.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That draft has defensive players going really early.

 

[jacobo_moses]

That draft has defensive players going really early.

Yeah there are a lot of reaches there I think.

 

[jacobo_moses]

I know it's an AC, but Michael.

I posted it in AC. And not one response. I'm on the clock. So I figured I'd post the draft here so far and see what people think. Yeah I know its borderline.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league). In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

 

[CR69]

10 Team PPR Superflex QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/DEF/K/Flex/Super

FA and rookie draft, each team is allowed to keep one FA pickup each season.

These are my picks

1.04 Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ®2.01 Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ®2.07 Michael, Christine SEA RB ®3.02 Ertz, Zach PHI TE ®3.03 Boyce, Josh NEP WR ®3.04 Williams, Terrance DAL WR ®5.03 Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR ®6.03 Thompson, Chris WAS RB ®6.04 King, Tavarres DEN WR ®7.04 Stills, Kenny NOS WR ®

1.01 - Bernard, Giovani CIN RB ®1.02 - Austin, Tavon STL WR ®1.03 - Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR ®1.04 - Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ®1.05 - Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB ®1.06 - Ball, Montee DEN RB ®1.07 - Lacy, Eddie GBP RB ®1.08 - Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR ®1.09 - Ivory, Christopher NYJ RB1.10 - Lattimore, Marcus SFO RB ®2.01 - Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ®2.02 - Smith, Geno NYJ QB ®2.03 - Allen, Keenan SDC WR ®2.04 - Franklin, Johnathan GBP RB ®2.05 - Wheaton, Markus PIT WR ®2.06 - Hunter, Justin TEN WR ®2.07 - Michael, Christine SEA RB ®2.08 - Kelce, Travis KCC TE ®2.09 - Stacy, Zac STL RB ®2.10 - Woods, Robert BUF WR ®3.01 - Dobson, Aaron NEP WR ®3.02 - Ertz, Zach PHI TE ®3.03 - Boyce, Josh NEP WR ®3.04 - Williams, Terrance DAL WR ®3.05 - Rogers, Da'Rick BUF WR ®3.06 - Barkley, Matt PHI QB ®3.07 - Gillislee, Mike MIA RB ®3.08 - Ellington, Andre ARI RB ®3.09 - Bailey, Stedman STL WR ®3.10 - Patton, Quinton SFO WR ®4.01 - Randle, Joseph DAL RB ®4.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB ®4.03 - Wilson, Tyler OAK QB ®4.04 - Wilson, Marquess CHI WR ®4.05 - Seahawks, Seattle SEA Def4.06 - Harper, Chris SEA WR ®4.07 - Glennon, Mike TBB QB ®4.08 - Murray, Latavius OAK RB ®4.09 - Robinson, Denard JAC WR ®4.10 - Taylor, Stepfan ARI RB ®5.01 - Sanders, Ace JAC WR ®5.02 - Mellette, Aaron BAL WR ®5.03 - Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR ®5.04 - Swope, Ryan ARI WR ®5.05 - Williams, Kerwynn IND RB ®5.06 - Scott, Matt JAC QB ®5.07 - Reece, Marcel OAK RB5.08 - Myers, Brandon NYG TE5.09 - Escobar, Gavin DAL TE ®5.10 - Broncos, Denver DEN Def6.01 - Fuller, Corey DET WR ®6.02 - Hartline, Brian MIA WR6.03 - Thompson, Chris WAS RB ®6.04 - King, Tavarres DEN WR ®6.05 - Burkhead, Rex CIN RB ®6.06 - Moe, T.J. NEP WR ®6.07 - Reed, Jordan WAS TE ®6.08 - Woodhead, Danny SDC RB6.09 - Patriots, New England NEP Def6.10 - Pryor, Terrelle OAK QB7.01 - Jones, Jacoby BAL WR7.02 - Goodson, Mike NYJ RB7.03 - Dysert, Zac DEN QB ®7.04 - Stills, Kenny NOS WR ®7.05 - Miller, Zach SEA TE7.06 - Hawkins, Lavelle FA WR7.07 - Nassib, Ryan NYG QB ®7.08 - Morgan, Joseph NOS WR7.09 - Harrison, Mark CHI WR ®7.10 - Kerley, Jeremy NYJ WR8.01 - Brown, Justin PIT WR ®8.02 - Tucker, Justin BAL PK8.03 - Barner, Kenjon CAR RB ®8.04 - Johnson, Charles GBP WR ®8.05 - Ware, Spencer SEA RB ®8.06 - Walsh, Blair MIN PK8.07 - Dawson, Phil SFO PK8.08 - Dunbar, Lance DAL RB8.09 - Jamison, Jawan WAS RB ®8.10 - Zuerlein, Greg STL PK

 

[cstu]

Good job getting Manuel at 1.4 but I'm surprised Geno last that long. Eifert is a nice pick, but I would have been thrilled to grab the top two QB's with the 4 and 12 picks in Superflex.

 

[TheFanatic]

What is superflex?

 

[Banger]

is it me or is this the weakest draft in a looongg time? Anything can happen but there doesn't appear to a surefire stud at RB, WR, QB or TE. Sure there's some talent and some guys will develop but seems like more of a crapshoot. Next year sounds like a very deep draft and from a strategy POV I'm thinking I may "punt" this year and trade a lot of picks this year for picks next year.

 

[Faust]

5.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB

This seems insane to me. Davis was the 6th RB off the board in the NFL draft, a day two pick. He landed on a team where he seems to be the clear backup in one of the most RB-friendly systems on the planet. I get that there's a lot of "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" surrounding him, but his measurables are very impressive, and the Chiefs obviously had enough faith in him to sink a 3rd round pick despite glaring needs across their entire roster. There's no way he should be going in the 5th round. There's no way he should be the 14th RB off the board, behind guys like Rex Burkhead (a 6th round pick and the 16th RB taken in the draft) or Mike James (another 6th round pick, the 15th RB taken, and stuck behind Doug Martin for the duration of his rookie contract). Even if you think Knile Davis is overrated, it's worth taking him much higher than that just on the off chance that you're wrong.

I'm not a Knile fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm surprised by how far he's been falling in my drafts. I would've thought people would be lining up to reach for the height/weight/speed upside, but he's routinely been available in the third round of my 12 team leagues. Very odd considering that people are spending first round picks on Franklin and Lattimore, and second round picks on Stacy. Even Gillislee and Murray are going ahead of him sometimes. Too many people drafting for opportunity and looking for the immediate home run.

It's tough to understand so many far lesser talents in front of him, but do you really want to clog your roster up for years while hoping Charles gets injured? Perhaps into turns into more a timeshare like in the Thomas Jones days but I see that as his upside barring a Charles injury.

I'd rather not clog my roster, but it's not like a Jamaal Charles injury is his only path to relevance. He could get situational carries, especially if Kansas City is running a high volume of offense through the RB position. And even if you have to sit on him for a while... if you're drafting a guy as the 14th RB off the board, and he turns into Bernard Pierce or Ben Tate or Bryce Brown, that's still a big win.

Just got him at 3.09 in a 12 team start 2 RB league where RBs usually fly off the board (4 in the first 6 picks this year). Puked in my mouth a little bit because he isn't the kind of RB that I like at all, but it was just too much value to pass up at that point. If Murray and McFadden can achieve some FF value then I don't see why this guy can't. He reminds me of them. If he strings together 2-3 good games at some point in his career his trade value will double or triple.

I'm really surprised that there's a 15-20 pick ADP gap between him and Lattimore. In my view they're pretty similar in a lot of respects. Talented players who once upon a time had first round potential, but who can't stay healthy at all.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167980/article/2013-nfl-draft-fallout-kansas-city-chiefs

Excerpt:

Knile Davis was an intriguing pick in the third round. The running back missed his entire junior season at Arkansas because of an ankle injury, then wasn't even the best back on his team as a senior. He rebuilt his stock with a strong performance at the NFL Scouting Combine, and he has the size and skill set to serve as an ideal complement to Jamaal Charles. Basically what Peyton Hillis was supposed to be, but never was.

 

[CR69]

is it me or is this the weakest draft in a looongg time? Anything can happen but there doesn't appear to a surefire stud at RB, WR, QB or TE. Sure there's some talent and some guys will develop but seems like more of a crapshoot. Next year sounds like a very deep draft and from a strategy POV I'm thinking I may "punt" this year and trade a lot of picks this year for picks next year.

Problem is a lot of other people are thinking the same thing so trading for future picks isn't that easy. There is a lot of good players at TE/WR in this draft, but you're right about QB and RB.

Good job getting Manuel at 1.4 but I'm surprised Geno last that long. Eifert is a nice pick, but I would have been thrilled to grab the top two QB's with the 4 and 12 picks in Superflex.

I already have RGIII and Stafford (as well as Palmer, Osweiller, Mallett and now Foles) but I thought about it.

What is superflex?

You can start any position in that spot, including QBs. It essentially plays as a 2QB league since they score the most points.

 

[EBF]

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

The staff rankings are all over the map this year.

For example, Bailey is rated 14 spots higher than Boyce despite being picked just 10 spots higher in the NFL draft. I'd argue that Boyce has better physical tools, more opportunity, and a better coaching staff/quarterback.

Harper is rated 10 spots below Patton even though he was an earlier pick and went to a team with a better passing QB and comparable or weaker competition for playing time.

Ellington is rated 10 spots above Taylor despite being picked later by the same NFL team.

Stacy, Lattimore, and Franklin are all rated at least 15 spots above Boyce, Harper, and Davis despite being lower NFL draft picks.

I don't agree with these rankings, but they're a pretty good reflection of how my drafts have been going. Too much reaching for marginal RB talents and insufficient downgrading of "name brand" prospects like Franklin, Lattimore, Ellington, Rogers, and Barkley whose NFL draft slots are incongruent with their perceived talent level.

 

[cstu]

Stacy, Lattimore, and Franklin are all rated at least 15 spots above Boyce, Harper, and Davis despite being lower NFL draft picks.

Lattimore is a unique situation and I think you have to throw out where he was drafted. Had he sat out of football and rehabbed on his own he likely would have been a 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft.

A lot of people had Franklin ranked high pre-draft and refuse to believe that their valuation could be wrong. Also, I never see anyone mention that he's already going to be 24 this year. I don't overly weight age but in this case he's a year older than the back the team drafted 60+ picks higher.

Stacy is being ranked high because people think he's going to be this year's Morris.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Good job getting Manuel at 1.4 but I'm surprised Geno last that long. Eifert is a nice pick, but I would have been thrilled to grab the top two QB's with the 4 and 12 picks in Superflex.

QB values aren't as inflated in a 10-team superflex as a 12-team superflex, just because the quality of most teams' second QB is higher, as is the quality of most teams' top non-QB flex option. The superflex boosts QB value a lot, but not as much as you'd expect if you've played in 12-team versions or true 2QB leagues. I still would have grabbed Geno at 12, though.

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

The staff rankings are all over the map this year. For example, Bailey is rated 14 spots higher than Boyce despite being picked just 10 spots higher in the NFL draft. I'd argue that Boyce has better physical tools, more opportunity, and a better coaching staff/quarterback. Harper is rated 10 spots below Patton even though he was an earlier pick and went to a team with a better passing QB and comparable or weaker competition for playing time. Ellington is rated 10 spots above Taylor despite being picked later by the same NFL team. Stacy, Lattimore, and Franklin are all rated at least 15 spots above Boyce, Harper, and Davis despite being lower NFL draft picks. I don't agree with these rankings, but they're a pretty good reflection of how my drafts have been going. Too much reaching for marginal RB talents and insufficient downgrading of "name brand" prospects like Franklin, Lattimore, Ellington, Rogers, and Barkley whose NFL draft slots are incongruent with their perceived talent level.

Obviously I can only speak for myself, but I don't think these questions are as cut-and-dried as you think. I have Bailey so far ahead of Boyce because Bailey fits a profile of uber-productive college WR that I think is generally underrated. The fact that Bailey went higher than Boyce despite having worse physical tools is pretty suggestive that Bailey is a better WR. Also, New England doesn't really have a great track record at WR. I'm down on both Harper and Patton, but I think it's laughable to suggest Harper has less competition for playing time. I also think it's early to be saying so definitively that Seattle's QB is a better passer than the guy who just led the league in YPA as a first-year starter. There's a lot we don't know about both situations, and there's no use pretending otherwise. I agree on Ellington and Taylor. I mean, Pead/Richardson (or Boldin/Johnson) show it's not impossible, but it's not the sort of thing I'd be betting on. Stacy, Lattimore, and Franklin are all RBs, while Boyce and Harper are WRs. I agree Davis is underrated, though- I already brought that one up. At the end of the day, rookie rankings are just going to vary considerably for any number of reasons. Some guys put a lot of weight on draft position, others practically none. In my mind, this is a good thing, because it lets everyone get guys who are steals according to their rankings (and reaches according to everyone else's).

 

[EBF]

Obviously I can only speak for myself, but I don't think these questions are as cut-and-dried as you think. I have Bailey so far ahead of Boyce because Bailey fits a profile of uber-productive college WR that I think is generally underrated. The fact that Bailey went higher than Boyce despite having worse physical tools is pretty suggestive that Bailey is a better WR. Also, New England doesn't really have a great track record at WR.

Bailey might be useful as an NFL player, but at 5'10" without blistering game speed he's going to have a tough time becoming FF-relevant. The fact that he's the 3rd-4th most talented pure WR on his NFL team is also a sticking point. Austin is more dynamic and Givens looked like a solid starter last season. Those guys will get first dibs on Bradford's targets. I'm not high on Brian Quick myself, but he's definitely a wild card in this situation. He was a high second round pick a year ago and he's the only WR on the roster besides Pettis who brings any size and physicality. Add in Cook and Kendricks and this is not a great landing spot for a guy like Bailey. He's not some world beater with elite upside. He's more of a complementary player who projects as a WR2 at the very best.

As far as him being an uber-productive college player, it's only partially relevant. Lots of players dominate in college because of the scheme and/or because they have a skill set that works against amateur competition. Not everything that works in college will work at the NFL level. Guys like Ron Dayne and Peter Warrick who dominate at that level don't necessarily see their game translate whereas raw physical talents like Mike Wallace and Brandon Jacobs might have more luck simply because they do one thing at an elite level. An elite collegiate producer whose game won't translate to the NFL might be a worse pro than a modest college producer whose skills translate seamlessly. Hence why you see a guy like Christine Michael being drafted ahead of Stepfan Taylor. So while Bailey might have been a better college player than Boyce, I'd argue that Boyce has more of the athletic qualities needed to succeed against pro defenders. And FWIW, put Bailey on TCU and Boyce on West Virginia and it's likely that their production would have been similar. Everyone knows that West Virginia played a wide open style that inflated the passing/receiving stats.

I'm down on both Harper and Patton, but I think it's laughable to suggest Harper has less competition for playing time. I also think it's early to be saying so definitively that Seattle's QB is a better passer than the guy who just led the league in YPA as a first-year starter. There's a lot we don't know about both situations, and there's no use pretending otherwise.

What Seattle has is a lot of mediocrity. Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, and Sidney Rice are serviceable NFL players, but only Rice has ever shown glimmers of WR1 potential and that was years ago. I see all of these guys as being easier roadblocks to overcome than Crabtree. With Russell Wilson looking like he might be another King Midas QB in the vein of Brees, Rodgers, or Manning, I'm of the mindset that you want to invest in his WR corps. Harper represents a potential Colston/James Jones type of player at a very low entry point.

 

[Kree]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

Your Michael ranking Adam was one of the more interesting slots for him based on the reasoning to gave for your rankings. Pretty much because he's a case which fulfils both criteria (ie trusting front offices, who obviously rated Michael's highly enough for a second round pick due to upside), but then he's about as far away from getting a definitive answer in regards to his talent as anyone in the draft.Is there something else (ie, just not a fan), or does his immediate lack of value overvalue his perceived talent THAT much?

EDIT - I'm one to reach on talent if I like them enough and the rest of the players are on fairly equal standings in my eyes - I plan on reaching on Michael in most drafts. Though I'm extremely patient with players.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I agree on Ellington and Taylor. I mean, Pead/Richardson (or Boldin/Johnson) show it's not impossible, but it's not the sort of thing I'd be betting on.

Unlike those situations, one guy will make the team, and other probably won't. If you liked Ellington beforehand, it's not like he'll be buried as a 4th RB. He'll either beat Taylor in camp or find another team to fill the same role.

 

[bengalbuck]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

FWIW, I think he is a bit of a longshot to win return duties. Ace Sanders was up there with Austin and Patterson as best return abilities in the draft and the Jags took him at the top of the 4th round. Barring injury, he is going to be the PR guy in my opinion. Sanders has some upside as a slot WR, but he was drafted that high mainly due to his return skills.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

Your Michael ranking Adam was one of the more interesting slots for him based on the reasoning to gave for your rankings. Pretty much because he's a case which fulfils both criteria (ie trusting front offices, who obviously rated Michael's highly enough for a second round pick due to upside), but then he's about as far away from getting a definitive answer in regards to his talent as anyone in the draft.Is there something else (ie, just not a fan), or does his immediate lack of value overvalue his perceived talent THAT much?

EDIT - I'm one to reach on talent if I like them enough and the rest of the players are on fairly equal standings in my eyes - I plan on reaching on Michael in most drafts. Though I'm extremely patient with players.

I'm open to the possibility that I'm sleeping on him, to be honest. My thinking behind the ranking was low urgency + character concerns + Marshawn Lynch + Robert Turbin, plus I see Seattle moving more towards a passing team. Looking back over it, though, I've definitely got him too low, and will be moving him up with my next update.

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

FWIW, I think he is a bit of a longshot to win return duties. Ace Sanders was up there with Austin and Patterson as best return abilities in the draft and the Jags took him at the top of the 4th round. Barring injury, he is going to be the PR guy in my opinion. Sanders has some upside as a slot WR, but he was drafted that high mainly due to his return skills.

Sanders is a phenomenal punt returner, but he handled two kickoff returns in his entire college career. I think Denard is a very safe bet to get the kickoff job, and I think he'll at least get a chance to compete with Sanders for punts. As electric as Denard was with the ball in his hands, I think he has a chance. After hearing Jacksonville's brass already talking about giving him 10-15 touches a game, I wouldn't count him out on anything yet.

 

[SayWhat?]

I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

Your Michael ranking Adam was one of the more interesting slots for him based on the reasoning to gave for your rankings. Pretty much because he's a case which fulfils both criteria (ie trusting front offices, who obviously rated Michael's highly enough for a second round pick due to upside), but then he's about as far away from getting a definitive answer in regards to his talent as anyone in the draft.Is there something else (ie, just not a fan), or does his immediate lack of value overvalue his perceived talent THAT much?

EDIT - I'm one to reach on talent if I like them enough and the rest of the players are on fairly equal standings in my eyes - I plan on reaching on Michael in most drafts. Though I'm extremely patient with players.

I'm open to the possibility that I'm sleeping on him, to be honest. My thinking behind the ranking was low urgency + character concerns + Marshawn Lynch + Robert Turbin, plus I see Seattle moving more towards a passing team. Looking back over it, though, I've definitely got him too low, and will be moving him up with my next update.

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I'm the Jaguars with the next pick is up. This is a IDP,Return Yardage Lg, 1/2 Pt PPR, All TD's 4 pts, Dynasty League. This is how the draft is gone so far. I don't really need a RB,TE,or WR. But I'm seriously thinking about Zac Stacy and C.Michael. What is so conflicting is I've seen some drafts on here where Stacy goes higher and some where Michael goes higher.

1. Vikings- (MIN) RB Giovani Bernard (CIN)2. Patriots-(PHI) WR Tavon Austin (STL)3. Panthers-(STL) WR DeAndre Hopkins(HOU) 4. Titans- (TEN) WR Robert Woods (BUF)5. Panthers- (CIN) LB Jarvis Jones (PIT)6. Panthers-(MIA) RB LeVeon Bell (PIT)7. Eagles-(TB) RB Eddie Lacy (GB)8. Ravens- (NO) RB Montee Ball (DEN)9. Jets- (NYJ) DB Kenny Vaccaro (NO) 10. Texans- (NYG) WR Cordarrelle Patterson (MIN)11. Patriots-(KC) DL Ezekiel Ansah (DET)12. Vikings-(CHI) DL Bjoern Werner (IND)13. Redskins-(ATL) LB Arthur Brown (BAL)14. Patriots-(DAL) TE Tyler Eifert (CIN)16. Raiders- (IND)RB Marcus Lattimore (SF)17. Texans- (HOU)POS - RB Jonathan Franklin (GBP)19. Packers- (GB)POS - WR Justin Hunter (TEN) 20. Steelers- (PITPOS - TE Zach Ertz (PHI)21. Titans-(WSH)POS - LB Alex Ogletree (STL)22. Ravens- (CARPOS - WR Keenan Allen (SDC) 23. Jaguars- (JAX)POS - NAME (NFL TEAM) (MY PICK RIGHT HERE!)

Staff rankings have Stacy above Michael. I'm low on both of them, but of the two, would take Michael. My top-rated player left on the board is Stedman Bailey, while the staff consensus best player left is Markus Wheaton, both of whom have the potential to handle some returns, too (you mentioned it's a return league).In fact, depending on the return scoring, Denard Robinson could be a sneaky-great pick there. Not only is he the RB you crave, but Jax brass has already said they want to get him involved in the return game, and he could easily wind up winning the primary job on both punt and kickoff returns. If I absolutely had to take an RB with that pick (and, again, depending on return scoring), he'd probably be my choice.

FWIW, I think he is a bit of a longshot to win return duties. Ace Sanders was up there with Austin and Patterson as best return abilities in the draft and the Jags took him at the top of the 4th round. Barring injury, he is going to be the PR guy in my opinion. Sanders has some upside as a slot WR, but he was drafted that high mainly due to his return skills.

Sanders is a phenomenal punt returner, but he handled two kickoff returns in his entire college career. I think Denard is a very safe bet to get the kickoff job, and I think he'll at least get a chance to compete with Sanders for punts. As electric as Denard was with the ball in his hands, I think he has a chance. After hearing Jacksonville's brass already talking about giving him 10-15 touches a game, I wouldn't count him out on anything yet.

Snaps. 10-15 snaps per game.

 

[robertdts]

14 Team PPR League (including return yardage) with full IDP; Start QB, RB, RB/WR, WR, WR, TE, PK, DT, DE, DE, LB, LB, LB, DP, CB, CB, S, S

Just wrapped up our draft yesterday (began 5/1/13):

Pick Ovr Selection 1.01 1 Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB ® 1.02 2 Austin, Tavon STL WR ® 1.03 3 Lacy, Eddie GBP RB ® 1.04 4 Ball, Montee DEN RB ® 1.05 5 Woods, Robert BUF WR ® 1.06 6 Bernard, Giovani CIN RB ® 1.07 7 Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR ® 1.08 8 Lattimore, Marcus SFO RB ® 1.09 9 Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR ® 1.1 10 Franklin, Johnathan GBP RB ® 1.11 11 Allen, Keenan SDC WR ® 1.12 12 Brown, Arthur BAL LB ® 1.13 13 Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ® 1.14 14 Hunter, Justin TEN WR ® 2.01 15 Dobson, Aaron NEP WR ® 2.02 16 Stacy, Zac STL RB ® 2.03 17 Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ® 2.04 18 Jones, Jarvis PIT LB ® 2.05 19 Ertz, Zach PHI TE ® 2.06 20 Wheaton, Markus PIT WR ® 2.07 21 Randle, Joseph DAL RB ® 2.08 22 Williams, Terrance DAL WR ® 2.09 23 Michael, Christine SEA RB ® 2.1 24 Smith, Geno NYJ QB ® 2.11 25 Taylor, Stepfan ARI RB ® 2.12 26 Jordan, Dion MIA DE ® 2.13 27 Ogletree, Alec STL LB ® 2.14 28 Kelce, Travis KCC TE ® 3.01 29 Alonso, Kiko BUF LB ® 3.02 30 Cyprien, Johnathan JAC S ® 3.03 31 Ansah, Ezekiel DET DE ® 3.04 32 Mingo, Barkevious CLE LB ® 3.05 33 Rogers, Da'Rick BUF WR ® 3.06 34 Elam, Matt BAL S ® 3.07 35 Vaccaro, Kenny NOS S ® 3.08 36 Te'o, Manti SDC LB ® 3.09 37 Patton, Quinton SFO WR ® 3.1 38 Minter, Kevin ARI LB ® 3.11 39 Jones, Datone GBP DE ® 3.12 40 Williams, Shawn CIN S ® 3.13 41 Hayden, D.J. OAK CB ® 3.14 42 Bostic, Jon CHI LB ® 4.01 43 Reid, Eric SFO S ® 4.02 44 Bailey, Stedman STL WR ® 4.03 45 Trufant, Desmond ATL CB ® 4.04 46 Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR ® 4.05 47 Moore, Sio OAK LB ® 4.06 48 Rhodes, Xavier MIN CB ® 4.07 49 Milliner, Dee NYJ CB ® 4.08 50 Escobar, Gavin DAL TE ® 4.09 51 Reed, Jordan WAS TE ® 4.1 52 Ellington, Andre ARI RB ® 4.11 53 Barkley, Matt PHI QB ® 4.12 54 Gillislee, Mike MIA RB ® 4.13 55 Floyd, Sharrif MIN DT ® 4.14 56 Slay, Darius DET CB ® 5.01 57 Collins, Jamie NEP LB ® 5.02 58 Wilson, Marquess CHI WR ® 5.03 59 Richardson, Sheldon NYJ DT ® 5.04 60 Wilson, Tyler OAK QB ® 5.05 61 Greene, Khaseem CHI LB ® 5.06 62 Moore, Damontre NYG DE ® 5.07 63 Werner, Bjoern IND DE ® 5.08 64 Williams, Sylvester DEN DT ® 5.09 65 Gooden, Zaviar TEN LB ® 5.1 66 Boyce, Josh NEP WR ® 5.11 67 Carradine, Cornellius SFO DE ® 5.12 68 McDonald, T.J. STL S ® 5.13 69 Robinson, Denard JAC WR ® 5.14 70 Johnson, Charles GBP WR ®

 

[r0llin_game]

10 Team PPR Superflex QB/RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/DEF/K/Flex/Super FA and rookie draft, each team is allowed to keep one FA pickup each season. These are my picks1.04 Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ®2.01 Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ®2.07 Michael, Christine SEA RB ®3.02 Ertz, Zach PHI TE ®3.03 Boyce, Josh NEP WR ®3.04 Williams, Terrance DAL WR ®5.03 Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR ®6.03 Thompson, Chris WAS RB ®6.04 King, Tavarres DEN WR ®7.04 Stills, Kenny NOS WR ® 1.01 - Bernard, Giovani CIN RB ®1.02 - Austin, Tavon STL WR ®1.03 - Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR ®1.04 - Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ®1.05 - Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB ®1.06 - Ball, Montee DEN RB ®1.07 - Lacy, Eddie GBP RB ®1.08 - Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR ®1.09 - Ivory, Christopher NYJ RB1.10 - Lattimore, Marcus SFO RB ®2.01 - Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ®2.02 - Smith, Geno NYJ QB ®2.03 - Allen, Keenan SDC WR ®2.04 - Franklin, Johnathan GBP RB ®2.05 - Wheaton, Markus PIT WR ®2.06 - Hunter, Justin TEN WR ®2.07 - Michael, Christine SEA RB ®2.08 - Kelce, Travis KCC TE ®2.09 - Stacy, Zac STL RB ®2.10 - Woods, Robert BUF WR ®3.01 - Dobson, Aaron NEP WR ®3.02 - Ertz, Zach PHI TE ®3.03 - Boyce, Josh NEP WR ®3.04 - Williams, Terrance DAL WR ®3.05 - Rogers, Da'Rick BUF WR ®3.06 - Barkley, Matt PHI QB ®3.07 - Gillislee, Mike MIA RB ®3.08 - Ellington, Andre ARI RB ®3.09 - Bailey, Stedman STL WR ®3.10 - Patton, Quinton SFO WR ®4.01 - Randle, Joseph DAL RB ®4.02 - Davis, Knile KCC RB ®4.03 - Wilson, Tyler OAK QB ®4.04 - Wilson, Marquess CHI WR ®4.05 - Seahawks, Seattle SEA Def4.06 - Harper, Chris SEA WR ®4.07 - Glennon, Mike TBB QB ®4.08 - Murray, Latavius OAK RB ®4.09 - Robinson, Denard JAC WR ®4.10 - Taylor, Stepfan ARI RB ®5.01 - Sanders, Ace JAC WR ®5.02 - Mellette, Aaron BAL WR ®5.03 - Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR ®5.04 - Swope, Ryan ARI WR ®5.05 - Williams, Kerwynn IND RB ®5.06 - Scott, Matt JAC QB ®5.07 - Reece, Marcel OAK RB5.08 - Myers, Brandon NYG TE5.09 - Escobar, Gavin DAL TE ®5.10 - Broncos, Denver DEN Def6.01 - Fuller, Corey DET WR ®6.02 - Hartline, Brian MIA WR6.03 - Thompson, Chris WAS RB ®6.04 - King, Tavarres DEN WR ®6.05 - Burkhead, Rex CIN RB ®6.06 - Moe, T.J. NEP WR ®6.07 - Reed, Jordan WAS TE ®6.08 - Woodhead, Danny SDC RB6.09 - Patriots, New England NEP Def6.10 - Pryor, Terrelle OAK QB7.01 - Jones, Jacoby BAL WR7.02 - Goodson, Mike NYJ RB7.03 - Dysert, Zac DEN QB ®7.04 - Stills, Kenny NOS WR ®7.05 - Miller, Zach SEA TE7.06 - Hawkins, Lavelle FA WR7.07 - Nassib, Ryan NYG QB ®7.08 - Morgan, Joseph NOS WR7.09 - Harrison, Mark CHI WR ®7.10 - Kerley, Jeremy NYJ WR8.01 - Brown, Justin PIT WR ®8.02 - Tucker, Justin BAL PK8.03 - Barner, Kenjon CAR RB ®8.04 - Johnson, Charles GBP WR ®8.05 - Ware, Spencer SEA RB ®8.06 - Walsh, Blair MIN PK8.07 - Dawson, Phil SFO PK8.08 - Dunbar, Lance DAL RB8.09 - Jamison, Jawan WAS RB ®8.10 - Zuerlein, Greg STL PK

I'm also in this league, only had picks:5.04 Swope5.07 Reece6.07 Reed6.09 Pats DST7.07 Nassib8.07 DawsonI had 1.07/3.07 but got offered Marshawn Lynch which I snap accepted as I needed some RB help. Nassib at 7.07 is good value, especially with Eli as my qb2.

 

[r0llin_game]

12 team ppr, qb, 2rb, 2wr, TE, k, flex

1.01 1. Shankapotomus Austin, Tavon STL WR ® Mon May 6 8:00:24 a.m. ET 2013

1.02 2. The Chubby Pickles Bernard, Giovani CIN RB ® Mon May 6 8:49:35 a.m. ET 2013

1.03 3. The Chubby Pickles Bell, Le'Veon PIT RB ® Mon May 6 8:49:39 a.m. ET 2013

1.04 4. That F-ing New Guy Ball, Montee DEN RB ® Mon May 6 9:11:40 a.m. ET 2013

1.05 5. Southern Kryptonite Patterson, Cordarrelle MIN WR ® Mon May 6 9:28:37 a.m. ET 2013 Highest ceiling of any of the WRs...looking for the BOOM here (Comments Added Tue May 7 7:53:50 a.m. ET 2013)

1.06 6. Armageddon Inc. Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR ® Mon May 6 9:37:55 p.m. ET 2013 The safest WR in draft... no worries about being to small or to raw. Plus he has a good QB.

1.07 7. Armageddon Inc. Lacy, Eddie GBP RB ® Mon May 6 9:39:35 p.m. ET 2013 OK, I worry about the injury bug, but that talent and pass-catching ability on the Packers. Can't pass it up...

1.08 8. Shankapotomus Lattimore, Marcus SFO RB ® Mon May 6 9:43:00 p.m. ET 2013

1.09 9. Deadwood Posse Franklin, Johnathan GBP RB ® Mon May 6 11:21:35 p.m. ET 2013

1.10 10. Southern Kryptonite Allen, Keenan SDC WR ® Tue May 7 7:34:15 a.m. ET 2013 Highest floor of the remaining WRs IMO...headed to a great situation for playing time...will be an integral part of my core for years.

1.11 11. The Chubby Pickles Hunter, Justin TEN WR ® Tue May 7 10:48:51 a.m. ET 2013

1.12 12. Mile High Massacre Eifert, Tyler CIN TE ® Tue May 7 11:26:37 a.m. ET 2013

2.01 13. Shankapotomus Wheaton, Markus PIT WR ® Tue May 7 12:02:11 p.m. ET 2013

2.02 14. Armageddon Inc. Woods, Robert BUF WR ® Tue May 7 12:02:12 p.m. ET 2013 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List Wow! The number one pre-2013 season ranked WR rookie drops to 2.02. Marqise Lee cut into his production, but not his talent. (Comments Added Tue May 7 8:12:47 p.m. ET 2013)

2.03 15. The Chubby Pickles Manuel, E.J. BUF QB ® Tue May 7 1:27:24 p.m. ET 2013

2.04 16. That F-ing New Guy Michael, Christine SEA RB ® Tue May 7 1:50:17 p.m. ET 2013 Spells his name like a girl, hope he doesn't play like one too! LOL

2.05 17. That F-ing New Guy Dobson, Aaron NEP WR ® Tue May 7 1:51:27 p.m. ET 2013

2.06 18. gametymerz Stacy, Zac STL RB ® Tue May 7 2:32:14 p.m. ET 2013

2.07 19. Southern Kryptonite Rogers, Da'Rick BUF WR ® Tue May 7 2:50:15 p.m. ET 2013 Similar to CP, if the BOOM hits and not the BUST...he could be S.O.D. (Comments Added Tue May 7 2:53:30 p.m. ET 2013)

2.08 20. Dark Knights Gillislee, Mike MIA RB ® Tue May 7 5:16:53 p.m. ET 2013

2.09 21. Deadwood Posse Williams, Terrance DAL WR ® Tue May 7 5:16:54 p.m. ET 2013 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.10 22. SoCal Krackers Bailey, Stedman STL WR ® Tue May 7 5:16:54 p.m. ET 2013 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.11 23. Armageddon Inc. Davis, Knile KCC RB ® Tue May 7 8:15:40 p.m. ET 2013 Nothing else left interests me, so I'll stash on my roster fumble-fingers Sir Hurtsalot...

2.12 24. Mile High Massacre Smith, Geno NYJ QB ® Tue May 7 10:38:31 p.m. ET 2013

3.01 25. Dark Knights Boyce, Josh NEP WR ® Tue May 7 10:56:59 p.m. ET 2013

3.02 26. Southern Kryptonite Kelce, Travis KCC TE ® Tue May 7 11:31:15 p.m. ET 2013 Me likey. Me likey a lot. Younger version of Celek with a higher ceiling. In a Andy Reid offense, TEs are big. (Comments Added Wed May 8 11:11:07 a.m. ET 2013)

3.03 27. The Chubby Pickles Randle, Joseph DAL RB ® Wed May 8 8:45:58 a.m. ET 2013

3.04 28. That F-ing New Guy Ertz, Zach PHI TE ® Wed May 8 9:10:15 a.m. ET 2013

3.05 29. Armageddon Inc. Barkley, Matt PHI QB ® Wed May 8 2:04:19 p.m. ET 2013 Another preseason top pick, but mostly grabbed him due to Homerism. (Comments Added Wed May 8 2:05:45 p.m. ET 2013)

3.06 30. gametymerz Taylor, Stepfan ARI RB ® Wed May 8 2:04:20 p.m. ET 2013 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.07 31. Southern Kryptonite Wilson, Marquess CHI WR ® Wed May 8 2:04:20 p.m. ET 2013 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List My sleeper in every draft!! Alshon who? Ya heard it here first!! (Comments Added Wed May 8 5:28:50 p.m. ET 2013)

3.08 32. Deadwood Posse Patton, Quinton SFO WR ® Wed May 8 10:46:00 p.m. ET 2013

3.09 33. Deadwood Posse Robinson, Denard JAC WR ® Wed May 8 10:46:37 p.m. ET 2013

3.10 34. SoCal Krackers Williams, Kerwynn IND RB ® Thu May 9 12:15:32 a.m. ET 2013

3.11 35. Armageddon Inc. Escobar, Gavin DAL TE ® Thu May 9 12:26:53 a.m. ET 2013

3.12 36. Mile High Massacre. Andre Ellington ARI RB ®

 

[panhead55]

16 tean PPR .75 RB, 1 WR, 1.5 TE, 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB,WR,TE).

1 Austin

2 Hopkins

3 Eifert

4 Bell

5 Patterson

6 Bernard

7 Ball

8 Lacy

9 Lattimore

10 Allen

11 Hunter

12 Franklin

13 Dobson

14 Manuel

15 Wheaton

My picks are bolded. My Team:

Luck, Flacco

Martin, Murray, R Williams, Ball, F Jones

Harvey, Garcon, Edelman, V Brown, Brazil, Hopkins, Allen

A Hernandez, Casey, Eifert

Graham

Seattle, Miami

 

[Irish13]

http://football17.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=65243&O=17

First season of an IDP league .5 ppr for RB and WR 1 ppr for TE. I'm Kansas City.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Snaps. 10-15 snaps per game.

A bad factoid travels around the world before the truth is out of bed.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Just started today 12 team ppr. A bunch of situational picks or team need instead of picks based on talent.

http://football15.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=31677&O=17

 

[Adam Harstad]

Snaps. 10-15 snaps per game.

A bad factoid travels around the world before the truth is out of bed.

Snaps would certainly make a lot more sense than touches. I had seen this tweet and just assumed it was typical ludicrous camp exaggerations again, but if it was really snaps and the reporter was misreporting, that would also explain it.

 

[Biabreakable]

Semantics aside. I think the top 7 observation is interesting. I'm also totally fine with someone not finding it interesting.On a separate point, I think the Ball/Bell huge leaps in ADP show how much situation is valued over talent. And it sort of exposes a weird quirk of rookie rankings I've been noticing. It's not usually explicitly called out that rookie rankings are dynasty, although I always assume it's heavily implied. But so much rookie positioning in drafts seems to be based on how quickly they will contribute. Bernard is seemingly losing value because of affirmations of BJGE's role, for example. I've come to realize that many rookie rankings I see place a heavy emphasis on rookie year production, which I think is a mistake when looking at rookies.

While I agree that over the long run talent will win out. A player performing at a high level even if you may need to wait a year or two for that opportunity/skill development is worth more than a player who is only giving you fringe 3 numbers barely above waiver wire value.

At the same time drafting players who have quicker opportunity to make an impact puts you into a situation where you have gained value you can use to trade for longer term speculative prospects that will likely lose value waiting for their opportunity. So in the best of both worlds instant impact should be a consideration because it creates an opportunity for you to sell high and buy low.

 

[cstu]

Just started today 12 team ppr. A bunch of situational picks or team need instead of picks based on talent.

http://football15.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=31677&O=17

A little RB crazy in this league, eh?

 

[Biabreakable]

1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4 WRs, 1 TE, 1 pt PPR.

http://football9.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=30865&O=17

I don't understand why Ellington, drafted later by the same team, is going higher in some drafts than Taylor? I know Taylor had a slow 40 time, but he looks like the real deal on film and is a 3 down back IF he is able to make it. I love Taylor's college production against good talent and also his agility, pass catching, and vision.

The Mercenary of vengence picks are all high risk. RB got picked over early and often in this draft. That team always seemed to be reaching for one at the end of a run.

Ellington has some good receiving ability so he could get quite a bit of yardage in a feature role. Taylor is a good RB also but not the same upside with him in feature role as some might see for Ellington. I had Ellington higher than Taylor pre-nfl draft but both players made the list and Ellington was ahead of Lattimore who this team drafted in the 1st round. Now that both RB were drafted to the same team it makes both players lose some value. The Cardinals should be improved on their offensive line with the return of Brown and addition of Cooper through the draft, however the Oline is still a work in progress and not an ideal situation for a RB or QB right now so an early pick of either does not seem like good value. Some may be certain that Ellington beats out Taylor, who knows? Both may be sitting behind Mendenhall/Williams anyways. Ellington does things as a receiver that I could see him getting some action. However Arians emphasized that he wants his RB to block and run the ball. He is not looking to throw the ball to a RB much when they have so many good WRs.

If Taylor or Ellington show they are good enough in pass protection that could mean the team could phase out Mendenhall/Williams. I do not see this being a good fit for Ellingtons skill set if what Arians has said is true, and might favor Taylor especially in the 4th round compared to the 2nd which I think is a bit high to take him. Both RB may be worth rostering but I don't think I would be looking at either until the 3rd round earliest.

I also agree with the comments about Knile Davis. I had him ranked just after Ellington and I like his situation a bit more in KC than I do either Ellington or Taylor in AZ and so value him more than either of these.

 

[cstu]

Ellington has some good receiving ability so he could get quite a bit of yardage in a feature role.

That's great but as you said, Arians' offense doesn't throw much to the RB's. I expect the RB catches to total 50 at most given his history with the Steelers and Colts.

 

[az_prof]

1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4 WRs, 1 TE, 1 pt PPR.

http://football9.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=30865&O=17

I don't understand why Ellington, drafted later by the same team, is going higher in some drafts than Taylor? I know Taylor had a slow 40 time, but he looks like the real deal on film and is a 3 down back IF he is able to make it. I love Taylor's college production against good talent and also his agility, pass catching, and vision.

The Mercenary of vengence picks are all high risk. RB got picked over early and often in this draft. That team always seemed to be reaching for one at the end of a run.

Ellington has some good receiving ability so he could get quite a bit of yardage in a feature role. Taylor is a good RB also but not the same upside with him in feature role as some might see for Ellington. I had Ellington higher than Taylor pre-nfl draft but both players made the list and Ellington was ahead of Lattimore who this team drafted in the 1st round. Now that both RB were drafted to the same team it makes both players lose some value. The Cardinals should be improved on their offensive line with the return of Brown and addition of Cooper through the draft, however the Oline is still a work in progress and not an ideal situation for a RB or QB right now so an early pick of either does not seem like good value. Some may be certain that Ellington beats out Taylor, who knows? Both may be sitting behind Mendenhall/Williams anyways. Ellington does things as a receiver that I could see him getting some action. However Arians emphasized that he wants his RB to block and run the ball. He is not looking to throw the ball to a RB much when they have so many good WRs.

If Taylor or Ellington show they are good enough in pass protection that could mean the team could phase out Mendenhall/Williams. I do not see this being a good fit for Ellingtons skill set if what Arians has said is true, and might favor Taylor especially in the 4th round compared to the 2nd which I think is a bit high to take him. Both RB may be worth rostering but I don't think I would be looking at either until the 3rd round earliest.

I also agree with the comments about Knile Davis. I had him ranked just after Ellington and I like his situation a bit more in KC than I do either Ellington or Taylor in AZ and so value him more than either of these.

Thanks for analyzing our league draft! Sort of funny to see someone else looking at this. I agree that our league goes RB crazy, but it makes no sense in PPR with a RB/WR flex IMO. WRs are more valuable and that is why I went with Hunter at 1.11 rather than Christine Michael or Franklin.

As for AZ situation, I do think that Ellington or Taylor could get a chance because both Mendenhall and Williams are high injury risks and Williams has yet to prove he can play in the NFL. I liked Taylor on film a lot--he has great agility and can make people miss. He doesn't have great speed, which is why he fell in draft, but on film it looks to me like he has enough speed to be effective and it wasn't like he was playing against second rate talent. He played very well in big games against top competition and he seems to be able to do it all. I suppose it is likely that Ellington could carve out a role as a third down back and contribute sooner than Taylor, but if both Mendenhall and Williams are out, I think Taylor would be the primary back.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

First 2 drafts started today. Sister leagues. 16 team leagues with IDP, Tiered PPR, very flexible line-ups. 43 man rosters + 12 man taxi squads.

Repressed Peasants is my team here.

Killer Rabbits is my team here.

 

[UKColt]

16 tean PPR .75 RB, 1 WR, 1.5 TE, 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2 Flex (RB,WR,TE).

1 Austin

2 Hopkins

3 Eifert

4 Bell

5 Patterson

6 Bernard

7 Ball

8 Lacy

9 Lattimore

10 Allen

11 Hunter

12 Franklin

13 Dobson

14 Manuel

15 Wheaton

My picks are bolded. My Team:

Luck, Flacco

Martin, Murray, R Williams, Ball, F Jones

Harvey, Garcon, Edelman, V Brown, Brazil, Hopkins, Allen

A Hernandez, Casey, Eifert

Graham

Seattle, Miami

You did great there. I'd have been tempted by Patterson at 2 simply on upside, but can understand Hopkins.

Ball at 7 and Allen at 10 are excellent value.

 

[mstumpy50]

Rookie/FA draft was last night. 10 Team .05 ppr IDP League. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB

Traded 1.03, 1.04, 1.06 last week for 1.09, 1.10, 2.01 and 4 2014 1st Rounders. My picks are bold

1.01 Bell

1.02 Austin

1.03 Ball

1.04 Lacy

1.05 Bernard

1.06 Chris Ivory

1.07 Hopkins

1.08 Franklin

1.09 Patterson

1.10 Wheaton

2.01 Michael

2.02 Stacy

2.03 Lattimore

2.04 Allen

2.05 Woods

2.06 Dobson

2.07 Manuel

2.08 Eifert

2.09 Hunter

2.10 Geno

3.01 Danario Alexander

3.02 Gillislee

3.03 Kelce

3.04 D. Rogers

3.05 Bailey

3.06 Harper

3.07 Taylor

3.08 Ellinggton

3.09 Barkley

3.10 Umenyiora

4.01 J. Randle

4.02 Stevie Brown

4.03 T. Wilson

4.04 Arthur Brown

4.05 L. Murray

4.06 T. Williams

4.07 Donald Jones

4.08 Randy Bullock

4.09 D. Robinson

4.10 Reshad Jones

5.01 K. Davis

5.02 Wesley Woodyard

5.03 Joe Morgan

5.04 Dion Jordan

5.05 L. Houston

5.06 Cyprien

5.07 Mallett

5.08 Ertz

5.09 Demeco Ryans

5.10 Werner

6.01 Richard Sherman

6.02 Boyce

6.03 Vaccaro

6.04 Josh Brown

6.05 Ace Sanders

6.06 Gano

6.07 Q. Patton

6.08 Bruce Carter

6.09 Barner

6.10 Ansah

7.01 K. Moreno

7.02 Desmond Bishop

7.03 Swope

7.04 Goodwin

7.05 Glennon

7.06 Stills

7.07 Fuller

7.08 Anthony Spencer

7.09 Everson Griffen

7.10 D. Bowers

8.01 Ellerby

8.02 Z. Brown

8.03 Mellette

 

[Bamac]

Rookie/FA draft was last night. 10 Team .05 ppr IDP League. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB

2.10 Geno

3.01 Danario Alexander

You have to be kidding me.

 

[mstumpy50]

Rookie/FA draft was last night. 10 Team .05 ppr IDP League. Start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1DL, 1LB, 1DB

2.10 Geno

3.01 Danario Alexander

You have to be kidding me.

The guy who picked Geno won it all the last 2 years. Beating me in the finals and semis back to back. He must be doing something right