POTUS casts doubt on legitimacy of Mid-term elections. (2 Viewers)

[jm192]

"I'm not going to say it's going to be legit. It's -- the increase and the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these -- these reforms passed."

So if we can't pass Biden's agenda--the upcoming elections won't be legitimate. 

If the Federal Government can't overtake state control of elections, it won't be legitimate.

If the Democrats don't get their way--then the outcome in 2022--where they'll likely lose 1 or both houses of Congress--won't be legit.  It's a fun ploy.     

 

[RCon]

I don't know about "legitimate", but certainly there are fairness issues with some of the things being done at state/local levels.  See Lincoln County, GA, which plans to close 6 out of 7 existing polling stations for the upcoming election, meaning some voters will be 20+ miles from their polling place with no public transportation available.  See some of the redistricting maps being proposed in Texas and other right-leaning states.  NC, for instance, where votes for House members have been close to 50/50, yet the districts are divided in such a way that there are 10 R and 3 D representatives.  One of the NC legislators charged with redrawing the new map stated that the only reason he finds a 10/3 leaning map acceptable is because he doesn't believe it's possible to draw an 11/2 leaning map.

All that said, good look for Biden to use that phrase?  Of course not.  He should stick to voter suppression, racist gerrymandering, etc.

 

[BladeRunner]

"I'm not going to say it's going to be legit. It's -- the increase and the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these -- these reforms passed."

So if we can't pass Biden's agenda--the upcoming elections won't be legitimate. 

If the Federal Government can't overtake state control of elections, it won't be legitimate.

If the Democrats don't get their way--then the outcome in 2022--where they'll likely lose 1 or both houses of Congress--won't be legit.  It's a fun ploy.     

So the left is upset that DJT - a former GOP POTUS - is casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election but is okay with a SITTING DNC POTUS casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election?

 

[supermike80]

I don't know about "legitimate", but certainly there are fairness issues with some of the things being done at state/local levels.  See Lincoln County, GA, which plans to close 6 out of 7 existing polling stations for the upcoming election, meaning some voters will be 20+ miles from their polling place with no public transportation available.  See some of the redistricting maps being proposed in Texas and other right-leaning states.  NC, for instance, where votes for House members have been close to 50/50, yet the districts are divided in such a way that there are 10 R and 3 D representatives.  One of the NC legislators charged with redrawing the new map stated that the only reason he finds a 10/3 leaning map acceptable is because he doesn't believe it's possible to draw an 11/2 leaning map.

All that said, good look for Biden to use that phrase?  Of course not.  He should stick to voter suppression, racist gerrymandering, etc.

2 points related to the bolded.  First ,I chuckled.   Second, don't for a second believe the democrats wouldn't do the same thing.   That doesn't justify it, but let's at least be honest

 

[HellToupee]

So the left is upset that DJT - a former POTUS - is casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election but is okay with a SITTING POTUS casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election?

You betcha

 

[JIslander]

I don't know about "legitimate", but certainly there are fairness issues with some of the things being done at state/local levels.  See Lincoln County, GA, which plans to close 6 out of 7 existing polling stations for the upcoming election, meaning some voters will be 20+ miles from their polling place with no public transportation available.  See some of the redistricting maps being proposed in Texas and other right-leaning states.  NC, for instance, where votes for House members have been close to 50/50, yet the districts are divided in such a way that there are 10 R and 3 D representatives.  One of the NC legislators charged with redrawing the new map stated that the only reason he finds a 10/3 leaning map acceptable is because he doesn't believe it's possible to draw an 11/2 leaning map.

All that said, good look for Biden to use that phrase?  Of course not.  He should stick to voter suppression, racist gerrymandering, etc.

It (the suppression) is already having an affect.  

"In Texas, whose March 1 primary will be the first of the midterms, some results of the sweeping new voting law passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature last year are already clear. In populous counties such as Harris, Bexar, Williamson and Travis, as many as half of absentee ballot applications have been rejected so far because voters did not comply with new requirements, such as providing a driver’s license number or a partial Social Security number.

In Harris County — the state’s largest, which includes Houston — roughly 16 percent of ballot applications have been rejected because of the new rules, a sevenfold increase over 2018, according to Isabel Longoria, a Democrat who is the county’s elections administrator. About one in 10 applications did not satisfy the new identification requirements, she said.

In Travis County, home to Austin, about half of applications received have been rejected because of the new rules, officials said. “We’re now seeing the real-life actual effect of the law, and, ladies and gentlemen, it is voter suppression,” said Dana DeBeauvoir, a Democrat who oversees elections there as county clerk.

Both counties have received far fewer absentee ballot applications than in 2018. Officials attributed the drop to a new rule barring election officials from sending ballot applications unrequested."

 

[BladeRunner]

It (the suppression) is already having an affect.  

"In Texas, whose March 1 primary will be the first of the midterms, some results of the sweeping new voting law passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature last year are already clear. In populous counties such as


Harris


, Bexar, Williamson and


Travis


, as many as half of absentee ballot applications have been rejected so far because voters did not comply with new requirements, such as providing a driver’s license number or a partial Social Security number.

In


Harris


County — the state’s largest, which includes Houston — roughly 16 percent of ballot applications have been rejected because of the new rules, a sevenfold increase over 2018, according to Isabel Longoria, a Democrat who is the county’s elections administrator. About one in 10 applications did not satisfy the new identification requirements, she said.

In


Travis


County, home to


Austin


, about half of applications received have been rejected because of the new rules, officials said. “ We’re now seeing the real-life actual effect of the law, and, ladies and gentlemen, it is voter suppression,” said Dana DeBeauvoir, a Democrat who oversees elections there as county clerk.

Both counties have received far fewer absentee ballot applications than in 2018. Officials attributed the drop to a new rule barring election officials from sending ballot applications unrequested."

Suppression?  Yeah, okay. 

What you call voter suppression others would call election integrity.  We know you guys don't like that stuff.

 

[sho nuff]

I don't know about "legitimate", but certainly there are fairness issues with some of the things being done at state/local levels.  See Lincoln County, GA, which plans to close 6 out of 7 existing polling stations for the upcoming election, meaning some voters will be 20+ miles from their polling place with no public transportation available.  See some of the redistricting maps being proposed in Texas and other right-leaning states.  NC, for instance, where votes for House members have been close to 50/50, yet the districts are divided in such a way that there are 10 R and 3 D representatives.  One of the NC legislators charged with redrawing the new map stated that the only reason he finds a 10/3 leaning map acceptable is because he doesn't believe it's possible to draw an 11/2 leaning map.

All that said, good look for Biden to use that phrase?  Of course not.  He should stick to voter suppression, racist gerrymandering, etc.

My feelings exactly...his wording on this was awful and thats on him.  Really bad messaging again on an issue that should be easy.

 

[sho nuff]

So the left is upset that DJT - a former GOP POTUS - is casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election but is okay with a SITTING DNC POTUS casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election?

Who is saying its just ok?  So far here you have those saying it was poorly worded for sure...and it was.  Its not the right rhetoric at all for what he should be saying.

 

[Stoneworker]

Typical Psaki post-gaffe damage control. Just like yesterday's "minor incursion" fiasco.

Quite sad how libs keep defending someone who needs so much post-production editing. 

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki in a tweet said the president “was not casting doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 election.” Instead, Psaki said Biden was saying elections would only be illegitimate “if states do what the former president asked them to do after the 2020 election: toss out ballots and overturn results after the fact.”

 

[sho nuff]

Typical Psaki post-gaffe damage control. Just like yesterday's "minor incursion" fiasco.

Quite sad how libs keep defending someone who needs so much post-production editing. 

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki in a tweet said the president “was not casting doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 election.” Instead, Psaki said Biden was saying elections would only be illegitimate “if states do what the former president asked them to do after the 2020 election: toss out ballots and overturn results after the fact.”

She is right...he screwed up for sure in what he said...but her statement in bold is what their message should be against the measures some states are taking.

Also..this isn't something new with her.  That is literally what Press Secretaries do...back off of some of what a POTUS may have said.  Trumps people did the same thing constantly having to explain what he really meant.  

 

[supermike80]

It (the suppression) is already having an affect.  

"In Texas, whose March 1 primary will be the first of the midterms, some results of the sweeping new voting law passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature last year are already clear. In populous counties such as Harris, Bexar, Williamson and Travis, as many as half of absentee ballot applications have been rejected so far because voters did not comply with new requirements, such as providing a driver’s license number or a partial Social Security number.

In Harris County — the state’s largest, which includes Houston — roughly 16 percent of ballot applications have been rejected because of the new rules, a sevenfold increase over 2018, according to Isabel Longoria, a Democrat who is the county’s elections administrator. About one in 10 applications did not satisfy the new identification requirements, she said.

In Travis County, home to Austin, about half of applications received have been rejected because of the new rules, officials said. “We’re now seeing the real-life actual effect of the law, and, ladies and gentlemen, it is voter suppression,” said Dana DeBeauvoir, a Democrat who oversees elections there as county clerk.

Both counties have received far fewer absentee ballot applications than in 2018. Officials attributed the drop to a new rule barring election officials from sending ballot applications unrequested."

Wait what?    Not following the rules is automatically voter suppression?   They cant even provide a DL number or a PARTIAL SS#?  And this isn't concerning to you?  Please.   Follow the darn rules.  You have plenty of time, there is plenty of support. I am so done with dumbing down America because people can't do simple things.  If they cant provide even a partial SS # they are either an illegal and we don't want them voting anyway or they are just stupid, and we probably don't want them voting anyway.

 

[supermike80]

She is right...he screwed up for sure in what he said...but her statement in bold is what their message should be against the measures some states are taking.

Also..this isn't something new with her.  That is literally what Press Secretaries do...back off of some of what a POTUS may have said.  Trumps people did the same thing constantly having to explain what he really meant.  

I've asked before and I will ask again...Because as I have said if this is true, I want to be extremely vocal against it. But show me ONE state that is taking steps concerning --specifically tossing out ballots and overturning elections.  

 

[BladeRunner]

Wait what?    Not following the rules is automatically voter suppression?   They cant even provide a DL number or a PARTIAL SS#?  And this isn't concerning to you?  Please.   Follow the darn rules.  You have plenty of time, there is plenty of support. I am so done with dumbing down America because people can't do simple things.  If they cant provide even a partial SS # they are either an illegal and we don't want them voting anyway or they are just stupid, and we probably don't want them voting anyway.

I keep saying this - racism never left the Democrats or the Democrat Party.  

The soft bigotry of low expectations.   White liberals treat and talk to minorities as if they're stupid and need the White Liberal Knight.  It's racism 2.0.

 

[The Commish]

I'm glad that this is starting to matter for some of you.  I'll take it even if it's just while Biden is in office....baby steps   

 

[sho nuff]

I've asked before and I will ask again...Because as I have said if this is true, I want to be extremely vocal against it. But show me ONE state that is taking steps concerning --specifically tossing out ballots and overturning elections.  

Ive answered multiple times...in other threads.  Its not up to me to get you to accept what is out there or for you to search each bill.  Im not interesting in another round and round with you...because you will never accept what I give you.  Good day.

 

[supermike80]

Ive answered multiple times...in other threads.  Its not up to me to get you to accept what is out there or for you to search each bill.  Im not interesting in another round and round with you...because you will never accept what I give you.  Good day.

You have NOT..How dare you!!!!!  You linked one article from ABC news which I asked legit questions about and had zero information about what you claim.

 

[Snotbubbles]

It (the suppression) is already having an affect.  

"In Texas, whose March 1 primary will be the first of the midterms, some results of the sweeping new voting law passed by the Republican-controlled Legislature last year are already clear. In populous counties such as Harris, Bexar, Williamson and Travis, as many as half of absentee ballot applications have been rejected so far because voters did not comply with new requirements, such as providing a driver’s license number or a partial Social Security number.

In Harris County — the state’s largest, which includes Houston — roughly 16 percent of ballot applications have been rejected because of the new rules, a sevenfold increase over 2018, according to Isabel Longoria, a Democrat who is the county’s elections administrator. About one in 10 applications did not satisfy the new identification requirements, she said.

In Travis County, home to Austin, about half of applications received have been rejected because of the new rules, officials said. “We’re now seeing the real-life actual effect of the law, and, ladies and gentlemen, it is voter suppression,” said Dana DeBeauvoir, a Democrat who oversees elections there as county clerk.

Both counties have received far fewer absentee ballot applications than in 2018. Officials attributed the drop to a new rule barring election officials from sending ballot applications unrequested."

Having a hard time understanding how this is "voter suppression".  The State isn't asking for any additional identification information than what they required for the person to register to vote.  

This is voter suppression:  https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/18/texas-voter-registration-forms/  

 

[Stoneworker]

She is right...he screwed up for sure in what he said...but her statement in bold is what their message should be against the measures some states are taking.

Also..this isn't something new with her.  That is literally what Press Secretaries do...back off of some of what a POTUS may have said.  Trumps people did the same thing constantly having to explain what he really meant.  

No. It is cognitive decline. Plain and simple. 

Not to get into a bashing binge or "unfit for president" or whatever....but many similarities to Reagan and clear to anyone who's observed it elsewhere in real life.

 

[sho nuff]

You have NOT..How dare you!!!!!  You linked one article from ABC news which I asked legit questions about and had zero information about what you claim.

Ive linked from ABC recently...and several others before on this issue.  I don't have the links saved and I am not going to take the time to go back and link to them again to appease someone who cannot be appeased and will just claim as you are now...that it has zero about what I am claiming or what, in this case, Psaki is claiming.  You are not going to accept it, no matter what.  So how dare I?  Yes, I dare because of the history of doing just that.  Im done with you on this matter...its a pointless exercise and a waste of my time.

 

[sho nuff]

No. It is cognitive decline. Plain and simple. 

Not to get into a bashing binge or "unfit for president" or whatever....but many similarities to Reagan and clear to anyone who's observed it elsewhere in real life.

Cool...it may be.  Then I guess several other POTUS' beyond Reagan hade it.  Because very often the PS will come in and explain what was meant.  Again...its not a new thing with Biden.  Not even new in the last 10 years.

 

[BladeRunner]

This is an impeachable offense, right? 

 

[dkp993]

So the left is upset that DJT - a former GOP POTUS - is casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election but is okay with a SITTING DNC POTUS casting doubt on the legitimacy of an election?

 I’m not left but no it’s not OK for him to do that.  It’s complete BS actually.  

 

[sho nuff]

This is an impeachable offense, right? 

No...

 

[knowledge dropper]

Good Article on this issue.  Shame on Biden

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/01/20/even-jake-tapper-knows-bidens-comments-on-the-2022-election-are-a-problem-n1551211

 

[JIslander]

Having a hard time understanding how this is "voter suppression".  The State isn't asking for any additional identification information than what they required for the person to register to vote.  

This is voter suppression:  https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/18/texas-voter-registration-forms/  

...Then there's the drop boxes in Fulton County (Atlanta) being slashed from 38 to 10.

Whatever you want to call it.  It's working.  Congrats.      

Perhaps when dealing with the public en masse, changes like this could be implemented in phases.  But alas, the R's need to win NOW --  

Dems will be funneling money to voter protection vs candidates, campaigns and organizations. --  congrats!

 

[SoBeDad]

Biden should also mention dark money, which flipped a Florida Senate seat by deliberately trying to confuse voters with a NPA candidate named Alex Rodriguez. 

How much darker can political money get? New GOP bill tries to further shield donors

 

[Sand]

...Then there's the drop boxes in Fulton County (Atlanta) being slashed from 38 to 10.

Whatever you want to call it.  It's working.  Congrats.      

Voters can always vote by mail.  Not sure what this hangup over boxes is.  If memory serves, Biden's state of DE only has boxes at each county election office.

 

[AAABatteries]

I take a slightly different approach here - I think both sides are more than willing to cheat.  We shouldn't trust either one of them.

 

[ekbeats]

A pox on both houses.

 

[Boston]

For the love of God can we stop with the "bad messaging" BS on every single issue that doesn't go Biden's way...maybe it's because he's not getting any younger and has zero filter, but it is not messaging, when he talks it is what he believes no matter how much his flaks try to clean it up afterwards.  

 

[GordonGekko]

This is an impeachable offense, right? 

It's more impactful than that. If forms another point of basis to remove Section 230 protections from Big Social Media.

At the end of 2020, they removed and deleted and locked and banned anything to do with "election disinformation"

As soon as Biden start ranting about who was "counting the votes", this moved from a discussion of voter suppression and to one claiming unsubstantiated election/voter fraud.

Josh Hawley pulled forward the data from several whistleblowers from Big Social Media with proof of life of the "Centra" and "Tasks" platforms. Mark Zuckerberg had no choice then but to admit under oath that there is coordination on engagement and retro strategy by Big Social Media and by Big Tech.

The other problem is Prager U spends the most money of any Conservative group on Big Social Media ad space, most particularly Facebook/ They are also the least censored. This isn't like Yelp trying to extort subscription money to remove bad business reviews, this is a legitimate First Amendment issue driven forward.

You can't keep saying that elections are at risk and rigged (2015-2020), then say elections are free and fair ( 2020 general cycle) and then revert back to elections are at risk and rigged again ( 2022-2024) and not have it blow up in your face.

Establishment Democrats losing the current Big Social Media as their propaganda wing is a massive loss for them. Think about how completely incompetent these people have to be to have literally all the cards in their deck ( Hollywood, Big Education, nearly all of the MSM, etc, etc) and still find a way to self inflict these massive losses.

You can't have two different sets of rules for Big Social Media based on what they personally agree with or not. Let me clarify, you can have two sets of rules, you just have to pay dearly for it once you end up being cornered for doing it.

 

[dozer]

Trumps people did the same thing constantly having to explain what he really meant.

He was just joking around...

 

[James Daulton]

Wait wait wait...are MAGA guys ACTUALLY calling out Biden for some kind of election comment when Trump has LITERALLY said that the election was stolen for 15 months?



Am I living in crazy world?  What's next, Biden calling out Trump for taking too many vacations?

 

[Zow]

A pox on both houses.

Like a pandemic?

 

[John123]

I posted the following in two other threads.  Still waiting for just ONE lib here to comment on the FACT that it's harder to vote in Biden's home state of Delaware than it is in Georgia or the other states he keeps complaining about:
 

Here's the bigger issue.  A lot of Dem states have more restrictive voting rules than places the libs are complaining about like Georgia.  NY and Delaware specifically come to mind.  In fact, NY'ers just voted down proposals that would have relaxed voting rules.  It's kind of hypocritical for Biden to be out there complaining about places like Georgia when his own home state has more restrictive voting rules  I hate to link to an obviously biased conservative site but here is an article that details this:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/04/democrats-voting-rights-contradiction/618599/

Here is one on NY'ers rejecting two voting related ballot proposals:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/ballot-proposals-on-redistricting-voting-fail-in-new-york.html

Seems like there are a lot of racists in the blue states.

Just seeing a lot of hypocrisy from the left on this issue.

 

[ekbeats]

Wait wait wait...are MAGA guys ACTUALLY calling out Biden for some kind of election comment when Trump has LITERALLY said that the election was stolen for 15 months?

Two wrongs don’t make a right.  There are people out there who voted for Trump in 2016 and realized just how toxic he was, good policies notwithstanding.  I’m one of them.  I despise Trump for his post election nonsense.  Don’t call into question the validity of our elections.  It leads to a very bad place.  We need to knock this #### off, Biden included.

 

[James Daulton]

Two wrongs don’t make a right.  There are people out there who voted for Trump in 2016 and realized just how toxic he was, good policies notwithstanding.  I’m one of them.  I despise Trump for his post election nonsense.  Don’t call into question the validity of our elections.  It leads to a very bad place.  We need to knock this #### off, Biden included.

I hear what you're saying and Biden's said tons of stupid things.  But a few people have compared his comments to Trump's 15+  months of literally saying the election was stolen.

It's laughable and not even worthy of rebuttal.  You wanna say Biden has done a crappy job?  Sure, there's lots to back that up.  But let's not compare his election comments to Trumps for goodness sakes.  

 

[tymarsas]

The Democrats whole rhetoric around these election law changes has been terrible. They are making it sound like these changes will be the end of democracy. Once someone spends a little time actually reading about the changes and realize most of them are pretty harmless or even good, then it makes the Democrats look bad for railing against them. This comment by Biden is just a continuation of that terrible rhetoric. If there are bad laws being passed, they should be very specific about the bad parts and hammer on the bad parts. Then you would make those republican governments look bad instead of themselves.

 

[ekbeats]

I hear what you're saying and Biden's said tons of stupid things.  But a few people have compared his comments to Trump's 15+  months of literally saying the election was stolen.

It's laughable and not even worthy of rebuttal.  You wanna say Biden has done a crappy job?  Sure, there's lots to back that up.  But let's not compare his election comments to Trumps for goodness sakes.  

No argument there.  Trump was far worse in my opinion.  I'm just saying that we need to stop using Trump as any kind of barometer.  Like Mark Twain said, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”  At some point someone needs to take the higher road to break the cycle, right? 

 

[Herb]

No argument there.  Trump was far worse in my opinion.  I'm just saying that we need to stop using Trump as any kind of barometer.  Like Mark Twain said, “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”  At some point someone needs to take the higher road to break the cycle, right? 

Yup. Any guesses as to who will do this? I'm just not seeing it happening barring some sort of horrible catastrophe. I thought a worldwide pandemic might do it, but nah, just more division. 

I will say that any sort of positive movement in this direction will likely be driven by progressives, but the GOP and its various media arms will never allow that to happen. Meanwhile, the more liberal media has finally caught on to the Fox paradigm and realized that division drives revenue far better than unity does. We are screwed. 

 

[ekbeats]

Yup. Any guesses as to who will do this? I'm just not seeing it happening barring some sort of horrible catastrophe. I thought a worldwide pandemic might do it, but nah, just more division. 

I will say that any sort of positive movement in this direction will likely be driven by progressives, but the GOP and its various media arms will never allow that to happen. Meanwhile, the more liberal media has finally caught on to the Fox paradigm and realized that division drives revenue far better than unity does. We are screwed. 

Not so sure about this Herb.  Neither side is clean here.  CNN and Fox are two sides of the same ruinous coin (Bill W reference).  What’s needed is for average people like you and me to spit out the hook and make a concerted effort to reject all the divisiveness coming at us.  Like I said, I’m hopelessly naive but I no longer want to see my neighbors as enemies.

 

[Herb]

Not so sure about this Herb.  Neither side is clean here.  CNN and Fox are two sides of the same ruinous coin (Bill W reference).  What’s needed is for average people like you and me to spit out the hook and make a concerted effort to reject all the divisiveness coming at us.  Like I said, I’m hopelessly naive but I no longer want to see my neighbors as enemies.

I agree, but getting over the division means finding common ground. I believe there is plenty of that to go around, but the current media and sociopolitical climates are not friendly toward commonality. 

 

[pinkham13]

From Nixon to Biden we have had a bunch of total garbage for Congress creatures and Presidents. We thought we could make China more like us. Instead our leaders have become more like the communists. 

 

[quick-hands]

She is right...he screwed up for sure in what he said...but her statement in bold is what their message should be against the measures some states are taking.

Also..this isn't something new with her.  That is literally what Press Secretaries do...back off of some of what a POTUS may have said.  Trumps people did the same thing constantly having to explain what he really meant.  

Just invade a little bit.

Did u just "but trump"?

 

[quick-hands]

Wait wait wait...are MAGA guys ACTUALLY calling out Biden for some kind of election comment when Trump has LITERALLY said that the election was stolen for 15 months?



Am I living in crazy world?  What's next, Biden calling out Trump for taking too many vacations?

Well I guess your point is that both are ok.

 

[James Daulton]

Well I guess your point is that both are ok.

That's your take away?  That's Trump's 15+ months of lying, riling his base up, literally trying to get the election overturned is equivalent to Biden putting his foot in his mouth again?

Ok

 

[squistion]

That's your take away?  That's Trump's 15+ months of lying, riling his base up, literally trying to get the election overturned is equivalent to Biden putting his foot in his mouth again?

Ok

Yeah, you can't make this stuff up. 

 

[Sand]

That's your take away?  That's Trump's 15+ months of lying, riling his base up, literally trying to get the election overturned is equivalent to Biden putting his foot in his mouth again?

Ok

Believe it or not there are a ton of conservatives that think that Trump was completely wrong about the election stuff.  Biden calling everyone a racist and then pre-emptively stating that if they don't win it's because it's rigged, etc. are right in the same league.  

The whataboutism is off the hook here.

 

[knowledge dropper]

I posted the following in two other threads.  Still waiting for just ONE lib here to comment on the FACT that it's harder to vote in Biden's home state of Delaware than it is in Georgia or the other states he keeps complaining about:
 

Just seeing a lot of hypocrisy from the left on this issue.

They don’t have an answer for this.  It destroys all the talking points.