Poverty Level (1 Viewer)

[Ilov80s]

I'm curious if you guys do the opposite. Do you say Jack Welch, who has a net worth of $750 million, isn't wealthy because Bill Gates with a net worth of $81 billion?

I do discuss with students this concept and usually use the idea of football players vs team owners as an idea of the relativity of wealth.

Do you tell the students their family of four making sub $20,000 a year isn't poor, because someone in Africa lives in a hole?

Yes, absolutely.Some of the most important conversations/assignments come from these difficult topics. For example, when discussing Carnegie/Rockefeller/etc. we discuss the concepts of them being Robber Barons and Captains of Industry.

We all have great lives compared to the dead.

Huh?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Yes ma'am.

Drummer>>>>>poverty in U.S.>>>>>>>>>>>>>poverty in Africa>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MC Gas/Fantasythreadstarter42

I wouldnt piss on 42 if he was on fire.

I would if he wasnt on fire.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I'm curious if you guys do the opposite. Do you say Jack Welch, who has a net worth of $750 million, isn't wealthy because Bill Gates with a net worth of $81 billion?

I do discuss with students this concept and usually use the idea of football players vs team owners as an idea of the relativity of wealth.

Do you tell the students their family of four making sub $20,000 a year isn't poor, because someone in Africa lives in a hole?

Yes, absolutely.Some of the most important conversations/assignments come from these difficult topics. For example, when discussing Carnegie/Rockefeller/etc. we discuss the concepts of them being Robber Barons and Captains of Industry.

We all have great lives compared to the dead.

Huh?

They dont have a life

 

[fantasycurse42]

Big fan of this thread

 

[Ilov80s]

I'm curious if you guys do the opposite. Do you say Jack Welch, who has a net worth of $750 million, isn't wealthy because Bill Gates with a net worth of $81 billion?

I do discuss with students this concept and usually use the idea of football players vs team owners as an idea of the relativity of wealth.

Do you tell the students their family of four making sub $20,000 a year isn't poor, because someone in Africa lives in a hole?

Yes, absolutely.Some of the most important conversations/assignments come from these difficult topics. For example, when discussing Carnegie/Rockefeller/etc. we discuss the concepts of them being Robber Barons and Captains of Industry.

We all have great lives compared to the dead.

Huh?

They dont have a life

The dead? I'm not trying to be difficult, but I'm not following,

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yes ma'am.

Drummer>>>>>poverty in U.S.>>>>>>>>>>>>>poverty in Africa>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MC Gas/Fantasythreadstarter42

One feisty woman. A few more of ">>" to get your point across Mrs.

Means a lot coming from you, Gas herpes.

Anytime gooseberry-pudding.

No reason to have a hyphen there moron.

 

[comfortably numb]

I'm curious if you guys do the opposite. Do you say Jack Welch, who has a net worth of $750 million, isn't wealthy because Bill Gates with a net worth of $81 billion?

Yeah all the time.

This is eerie because I was just trying to prove this EXACT point to someone at Applebees earlier.

Were you telling Julia Stewart the CEO of DineEquity? DineEquity owns Applebees and they only paid her $5m in 2013. Maybe one day she will know what it is like to be wealthy.

No.

you're a weird dude.

sweet.

enjoy applebees

the poor in this country eat applebees, the poor in Uganda eat bees!

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=58794



See number 10 Señorita

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm curious if you guys do the opposite. Do you say Jack Welch, who has a net worth of $750 million, isn't wealthy because Bill Gates with a net worth of $81 billion?

Yeah all the time.

This is eerie because I was just trying to prove this EXACT point to someone at Applebees earlier.

Were you telling Julia Stewart the CEO of DineEquity? DineEquity owns Applebees and they only paid her $5m in 2013. Maybe one day she will know what it is like to be wealthy.

No.

you're a weird dude.

sweet.

enjoy applebees

the poor in this country eat applebees, the poor in Uganda eat bees!

If they are lucky!

 

[Fennis]

well that answers the where have all the bees gone question.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yes ma'am.

Drummer>>>>>poverty in U.S.>>>>>>>>>>>>>poverty in Africa>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MC Gas/Fantasythreadstarter42

I wouldnt piss on 42 if he was on fire.

I would if he wasnt on fire.

That's why I listed you first.

 

[Milkman]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

He is prob referring to Detroit, I hear good things

 

[Milkman]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

No Colorado.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

He is prob referring to Detroit, I hear good things

You're reaching now, but I enjoy your incompetence and lack of command of the English language.

So please continue.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

He is prob referring to Detroit, I hear good things

You're reaching now, but I enjoy your incompetence and lack of command of the English language.So please continue.

Nice hyphen

The girl who critiques grammar on a FF message board usually doesn't get a date to the prom

 

[Milkman]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Yes ma'am.

Drummer>>>>>poverty in U.S.>>>>>>>>>>>>>poverty in Africa>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MC Gas/Fantasythreadstarter42

I wouldnt piss on 42 if he was on fire.I would if he wasnt on fire.

That's why I listed you first.

What happened in the 30 days I was gone that you now think we are the same person?

 

[Slapdash]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

 

[Ilov80s]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

 

[Milkman]

It all hurts but women entering the workforce in a way masked the stagnant wages blue collar workers have been experiencing for decades. Either blue collar workers need to be allowed to marry multiply wives or they need to get a significant raise. It's not going to happen for a very long time though if ever. The government is bought and paid for and the system itself is broken.

 

[MC Gas Money]

It all hurts but women entering the workforce in a way masked the stagnant wages blue collar workers have been experiencing for decades. Either blue collar workers need to be allowed to marry multiply wives or they need to get a significant raise. It's not going to happen for a very long time though if ever. The government is bought and paid for and the system itself is broken.

The revolution is coming.

 

[Milkman]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

What do you need to consume?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

What do you need to consume?

I like soup.

 

[Milkman]

Soup's cheap. It can keep you warm to which can be an added bonus.

 

[Ilov80s]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

I don't doubt that. However, what do we do with our population that are not college bound? The creation portion of the economy is much more demanding than it once was, but we have just as many low average to low IQ citizens as we did 40 years ago. What do we do with them now that quality paying manufacturing jobs have declined?

 

[John Bender]

It all hurts but women entering the workforce in a way masked the stagnant wages blue collar workers have been experiencing for decades. Either blue collar workers need to be allowed to marry multiply wives or they need to get a significant raise. It's not going to happen for a very long time though if ever. The government is bought and paid for and the system itself is broken.

The revolution is coming.

From your future mother in law's basement?

 

[Milkman]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

I don't doubt that. However, what do we do with our population that are not college bound? The creation portion of the economy is much more demanding than it once was, but we have just as many low average to low IQ citizens as we did 40 years ago. What do we do with them now that quality paying manufacturing jobs have declined?

Squeeze them for every cent of profit we can. We've got dividends and outrageous executive salaries to pay.

 

[Fennis]

we dont have a middle class in this country. Look at Norway, now that's a middle class.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

I don't doubt that. However, what do we do with our population that are not college bound? The creation portion of the economy is much more demanding than it once was, but we have just as many low average to low IQ citizens as we did 40 years ago. What do we do with them now that quality paying manufacturing jobs have declined?

It's a changing world. We have college graduates now that can't find work, what we probably need is a new path to careers to include more in the way of technical high schools (as they do in Europe). Seems to me we have a bunch of people graduating with psychology and management undergraduate degrees, and carrying $50k in debt with them.

I'm not saying thing have to change, I just think they probably will. No one wants to be a ditch digger anymore and our society is generally more lazy than it was 50, 75, 100 years ago. I would say that is a generational perception, but since I never see any kids playing in my neighborhood, I just assume they are eating chips and taking a nap.

 

[McGarnicle]

Ooh it's the poo-flingin' thread! Great work you guys.

 

[Milkman]

I have feeling creating a situation where a bunch of good hard working people have no hope is going to cost us a lot more than just providing good paying jobs.

 

[Fennis]

Ooh it's the poo-flingin' thread! Great work you guys.

hey everyone, get the new guy!

 

[Ilov80s]

Just because people are doing worse around the world doesn't mean we should let our standard of living slip. We should be trying to do the exact opposite actually.

Lot's more people are going to find themselves impoverished in this country if we continue down the road we are on. No raises for blue collar workers for nearly 40 years will catch up to you after a while.

Raises or no raises, the manufacturing losses are leaving a lot of people without steady quality work.

China's run as the #1 economy might not last as long due to rising labor costs there, free enterprise does that. Manufacturing losses were inevitable but the wheels keep turning because of the consumer, and we are in a lot better spot than the European countries or Japan at the moment. What the U.S does best is create and consume, so as long as we do that we'll be one of the richest nations in the world.

I don't doubt that. However, what do we do with our population that are not college bound? The creation portion of the economy is much more demanding than it once was, but we have just as many low average to low IQ citizens as we did 40 years ago. What do we do with them now that quality paying manufacturing jobs have declined?

It's a changing world. We have college graduates now that can't find work, what we probably need is a new path to careers to include more in the way of technical high schools (as they do in Europe). Seems to me we have a bunch of people graduating with psychology and management undergraduate degrees, and carrying $50k in debt with them. I'm not saying thing have to change, I just think they probably will. No one wants to be a ditch digger anymore and our society is generally more lazy than it was 50, 75, 100 years ago. I would say that is a generational perception, but since I never see any kids playing in my neighborhood, I just assume they are eating chips and taking a nap.

I agree with moving towards more vocational training. Sadly, our leadership is pushing everything in the opposite direction. Michigan is a perfect example. There is one track to get a diploma in Michigan now and it's college prep. We are leaving a significant number of people behind. I don't know if kids are lazier. I have a lot of students that want to do basic labor, but that isn't an option the education system is allowing for.

 

[Milkman]

Hey kids can go out into the meth infested oil fields and work 19 hours a day 7 days a week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Hey kids can go out into the meth infested oil fields and work 19 hours a day 7 days a week.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[MC Gas Money]

It all hurts but women entering the workforce in a way masked the stagnant wages blue collar workers have been experiencing for decades. Either blue collar workers need to be allowed to marry multiply wives or they need to get a significant raise. It's not going to happen for a very long time though if ever. The government is bought and paid for and the system itself is broken.

The revolution is coming.

From your future mother in law's basement?

That isnt even accurate.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

I'm not sure you can even feed your family a healthy diet and live in a good school district for under 100K where I live.

Cupertino?

No Colorado.

Yeah, no.

 

[mr roboto]

Threads like this bring out the stupid ####ers who think you need 80k to raise your family right.

 

[Johnnymac]

Threads like this bring out the stupid ####ers who think you need 80k to raise your family right.

I dont know what the number should be. My father made 33K in 1974 working in a meat packing plant. That was 40 years ago when things were much cheaper than they are today. The poverty level being set at 23K is ridiculous.

 

[Cjw_55106]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

This has to be schtick.

 

[mr roboto]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

I wouldn't make statements like this if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Milkman]

Threads like this bring out the stupid ####ers who think you need 80k to raise your family right.

I dont know what the number should be. My father made 33K in 1974 working in a meat packing plant. That was 40 years ago when things were much cheaper than they are today. The poverty level being set at 23K is ridiculous.

And the plant owner was still making money. Now we are a lot more efficient and the meat packing plant employee is making 35K or less. Where has the money gone?

 

[fantasycurse42]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

I wouldn't make statements like this if you want to be taken seriously.

In an area like NYC, I'd say the poverty level is prob around $35kish for a family of 4, so roughly 50% higher than the rest of the country.

Your taxes are prob low, IDK what they would be at that level, but we can call it 20% for sake of this scenario.

That gives you $2,333 a month.

$900 on rent - This puts you in a 2BR in a very shady neighborhood.

$600 food

$240 - This covers two metrocards, if you need 4 then you're ####ed

$80 - electric

$50 - internet

$100 - family phone plan

This would leave an NYC family living in piss poor conditions, with a balance of $363 a month for miscellaneous things. Insurance is a different conversation.

 

[lod01]

The poor don't care as long as they get free stuff and are allowed to pump out more poor people in order to get even more free stuff.

 

[mon]

Stupid thread. Why would your reaction be to question the figures instead of wondering how you could help these people?

 

[Milkman]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

I wouldn't make statements like this if you want to be taken seriously.

In an area like NYC, I'd say the poverty level is prob around $35kish for a family of 4, so roughly 50% higher than the rest of the country.

Your taxes are prob low, IDK what they would be at that level, but we can call it 20% for sake of this scenario.

That gives you $2,333 a month.

$900 on rent - This puts you in a 2BR in a very shady neighborhood.

$600 food

$240 - This covers two metrocards, if you need 4 then you're ####ed

$80 - electric

$50 - internet

$100 - family phone plan

This would leave an NYC family living in piss poor conditions, with a balance of $363 a month for miscellaneous things. Insurance is a different conversation.

lol @ $600 a month for food. Not if they are eating healthy. More like double that.

 

[fantasycurse42]

You think $70,000 is living in poverty?

For a family of four? Hell yes.

I wouldn't make statements like this if you want to be taken seriously.

In an area like NYC, I'd say the poverty level is prob around $35kish for a family of 4, so roughly 50% higher than the rest of the country.

Your taxes are prob low, IDK what they would be at that level, but we can call it 20% for sake of this scenario.

That gives you $2,333 a month.

$900 on rent - This puts you in a 2BR in a very shady neighborhood.

$600 food

$240 - This covers two metrocards, if you need 4 then you're ####ed

$80 - electric

$50 - internet

$100 - family phone plan

This would leave an NYC family living in piss poor conditions, with a balance of $363 a month for miscellaneous things. Insurance is a different conversation.

lol @ $600 a month for food. Not if they are eating healthy. More like double that.

Unfortunately with their $2,333 dollars, there isn't much more they can do.