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[Runningman]

In NON PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified. In PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

I don't think this is true. In the non PPR leagues I've been in the top WR's are in the same ballpark (points wise) as the top RB. A guy like Calvin is still ranked 4th behind Foster, Rice and McCoy in either format. And the top QB's are still the highest scorers regardless of PPR vs Non PPR.Doesn't PPR widen the difference between the top RB's even more? I would like a guy like Rice, McCoy or McFadden would be even that much more valuable in a PPR since they catch the ball alot more than the next tier of RBs. There are so many WR's nowadays in the 60-80 rec, 1000-1200 yards, 8-10 Td range that I'd think you'd still need to get one of those top RB's and roll with a WR later.

I will grant you that the times maybe changing with the prolific passing that is going on in the NFL these days. If the trend continues it may render PPR unneeded. I do know that PPR was needed for the majority of the better part of the 18 years I have been playing, in my opinion.

 

[dagwood]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

Lol at a thread like this popping up every year. If you truly want reasons why PPR leagues are better, do a search and read one of the many threads from prior years.If you just want to know PPR leagues are better, then play in one. You will never want to go back to standard leagues.

 

[Ryan99]

Like some others here, I see the ppr system as a way of rewarding players who move the chains. Think of it this way, which of these players helped their team more:

A: 5 for 5, 50 yards

B: 1 for 5, 50 yards

In my mind its player A. He kept drives alive, player B killed drives with incompletions. Here's a real life example

A: 58 for 104, 961 yards, 39 first downs

B: 80 for 116, 875 yards, 53 first downs

B is clearly the more important receiver and does more for his team in my opinion.

You could penalize receivers for incompletions, but its easier to just reward completions. It also has the effect of helping to 'normalize' players across positions, since WR tend to be way below RB and QB for points.

Personally I think full ppr is a bit much. I play in .5 ppr, 15 receiving yards per point leagues. The idea is to not change the overall importance of WR relative to other positions, but to push up high catch players and push down low catch players.

 

[Franknbeans]

we do 2 pts per reception

 

[JPeso]

Different strokes for different folks.The logic is to try to balance scoring amongst the positions. That's why you see 1.5 for a TE.That is why you see passing TD's worth 3-4pts and not always 6.That is why leagues with a flex, typically don't offer QB as a flex position but do offer for RB/WR/TE

Concur with this entirely. I only play PPR because I like the dynamic, not because I think it's idiotic to play non PPR. I'm not sure I agree with the devaluation of RBs in PPR leagues. It just makes it more difficult for owners to blindly overvalue them. Last I checked RBs are typically rewarded for the catches as well (although sometimes staggered PPR is used such as .5/1.0/1.5 for RB/WR/TE at which point the devaluation argument holds a bit more true. PPR dynasty specifically is where there might be a stronger claim for RB devaluation, but that's due to quite a bit more than simply the scoring.

 

[Wombat x]

Non PPR= TD leagues. TD's are highly flukey and unpredictable. They fluctuate heavily year to year. PPR with small bonuss given for benchmark yardage marks is the way to go. It balances it out so yardage, catches, and touchdowns are all evenly important. Not to mention the main thing- it makes it so you don't have QB's scoring 400 FREAKING POINTS with the highest scoring RB's scoring 200 and WR's in the 150-200 range.

Non PPR is awful IMO. Get Rodgers or Brady or your screwed.

 

[Pipes]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

Lol at a thread like this popping up every year. If you truly want reasons why PPR leagues are better, do a search and read one of the many threads from prior years.If you just want to know PPR leagues are better, then play in one. You will never want to go back to standard leagues.

I've seen the arguments before but it seems this year the PPR fans are more boisterous than ever. Maybe it's the overall state of the pool. I guess it rubbed me the wrong way when a guy like Cruz who dropped a bunch of passes last night had "a solid day" in the eyes of PPR participants but a terrible day in the eyes of non-ppr participants. In the eyes of a non fantasy player his day was terrible so it seems to me a non-PPR system is more realistic. I know this is one case and I can see the other side of the coin when a guy like John Kuhn has 2 carries for 2 yards and 2 TDs outscores a WR with 100 yards receiving. I guess I need to give a PPR league a shot to see what I like better.

 

[Pipes]

Non PPR= TD leagues. TD's are highly flukey and unpredictable. They fluctuate heavily year to year. PPR with small bonuss given for benchmark yardage marks is the way to go. It balances it out so yardage, catches, and touchdowns are all evenly important. Not to mention the main thing- it makes it so you don't have QB's scoring 400 FREAKING POINTS with the highest scoring RB's scoring 200 and WR's in the 150-200 range. Non PPR is awful IMO. Get Rodgers or Brady or your screwed.

You can easily tweak the points for yards to get the positions more evenly matched without going PPR.

 

[joffer]

... with small bonuss given for COMPLETELY ARBITRARY benchmark yardage marks is the way to go.

this is the worst thing ever. 99 yards...nothing. 100 yards....congrats!

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

"X scoring system is better than Y scoring system" has always been one of the dumbest arguments in fantasy football. Any attempt to make it more like "real" football, or "even out" the positions, or whatever else, is silly. People will debate constantly about how address silly concerns like "RBs are too dominant" - should you use PPR, should RBs get the PPR too, should RBs get 0.5 PPR, should TEs get 1.5 PPR, should WRs get points per first down, should RBs get points per rushing attempt - and yet no one seems all that concerned that kickers remain virtually worthless, or that they're not even using half of the other players on a real football field, or any of the myriad other inconsistencies with their "solutions" to these "problems."

If you think it's fun, go with it. That's all that matters. If you already play in one league that has PPR, play in another league that doesn't, just to mix it up. Play in one that rewards only first down catches. Play in a league that starts 3 QBs and subtracts points for passing attempts. None of those is any better or worse than the others.

 

[Wombat x]

... with small bonuss given for COMPLETELY ARBITRARY benchmark yardage marks is the way to go.

this is the worst thing ever. 99 yards...nothing. 100 yards....congrats!

1 point at 50 yards, 1 point at 75 yards, 1 point at 100 yards. It just weights yardage more. I agree though 3 points at 100 or 0 at 99 is dumb.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

Has a 7 catch guy ever had 7 yards?

On December 24, 1995, Adrian Murrell of the Jets had 9 catches for 12 yards.On November 19 of that same year, Chris Warren of the Seahawks had 3 catches for -24 yards.Going further back, on October 12, 1924, Dickie Crickets of the Kenosha Maroons had 8 catches for -87 yards, which still stands as the NFL record for receiving futility. He also missed two extra points in the game, and was later arrested for public nuisance after drunkenly ranting against President Coolidge in the stadium parking lot.

 

[gandalas]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

^your response is ridiculous -- this isn't 1986. It's called live scoring and the internet. They even have it on phones now Bottom line, it tells us who produced for their team in a way that's more accurate than most ppl currently use. The point is to assign correct credit for on-field production.

So Calvin has one of the best WR seasons of all time, and he is ranked only 8th overall? Yeah...looks like QBs are still quite overrated in your system as well. You talk about Jimmie Graham, but Ben Roethlesberger, who had an average fantasy season at best is ranked above him?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

^your response is ridiculous -- this isn't 1986. It's called live scoring and the internet. They even have it on phones now Bottom line, it tells us who produced for their team in a way that's more accurate than most ppl currently use. The point is to assign correct credit for on-field production.

So Calvin has one of the best WR seasons of all time, and he is ranked only 8th overall? Yeah...looks like QBs are still quite overrated in your system as well. You talk about Jimmie Graham, but Ben Roethlesberger, who had an average fantasy season at best is ranked above him?

If you tweak it to deduct points-per-letter-in-last-name for QBs, the results should more accurately reflect the order you think they should be in.

 

[J. Cyrus]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

^your response is ridiculous -- this isn't 1986. It's called live scoring and the internet. They even have it on phones now Bottom line, it tells us who produced for their team in a way that's more accurate than most ppl currently use. The point is to assign correct credit for on-field production.

So Calvin has one of the best WR seasons of all time, and he is ranked only 8th overall? Yeah...looks like QBs are still quite overrated in your system as well. You talk about Jimmie Graham, but Ben Roethlesberger, who had an average fantasy season at best is ranked above him?

^I think you're looking at this the wrong way..Who do you think was more productive/valuable to their NFL team last year.. Jimmy Graham or Big Ben?I don't think there's a perfect answer, and I don't think my system is flawless. I just think it's a lot BETTER. And if you think upper-tier QBs are still too valuable, you could simply make them 6 yards per 1 point rather than 5, or -1.2 per attempt rather than -1.The point is, the methodology is sound, the thought process is right-minded. Prioritizing yards per attempt/touch yields a rankings list that elevates the best players in the game moreso than any of the scoring alternatives I'm aware of.

 

[Warrior]

PPR reduces variance from week to week, so skilled managers win more consistently.

Week 1: 6 catches, 65 yards, no TDs

Week 2: 6 catches, 60 yards, 1 TD.

PPR: 12.5 pts, 18 pts

no PPR: 6.5 pts, 12 pts

PPR results in about a 50% increase from wk 1 to wk 2.

no PPR results in almost a 100% increase from wk 1 to wk 2.

Noobs are much better off with the random variance that occurs in no PPR.

PPR is for sharks.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

You get a point for a ctach, what is so hard to understand?Getting 100 catches is better than the guy who catches 80, regardless of the lucky scores the catches provide. The guy with 80 catches could be on a better team and get more scores, this is nothing new to fantasy. PPR shows more skill in the art of fantasy football knowledge.I suspect you will get ripped in this thread, because thats the way it goes around here.

For the same yardage? You would rather a guy have 100 catches for 1100 yards rather than 80 catches for 1100 yards? why? wouldn't you rather your guy have a higher YPR?The answer is the stats are better for the guy who would get less points...it is illogical to reward a point for a reception. However, these days if you are trying to reduce the advantage to a QB it is one way to try and even it out...that is the only answerETA: the real solution is to add .25 for 1st downs or whatever the correct number is

 

[J. Cyrus]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

You get a point for a ctach, what is so hard to understand?Getting 100 catches is better than the guy who catches 80, regardless of the lucky scores the catches provide. The guy with 80 catches could be on a better team and get more scores, this is nothing new to fantasy. PPR shows more skill in the art of fantasy football knowledge.I suspect you will get ripped in this thread, because thats the way it goes around here.

For the same yardage? You would rather a guy have 100 catches for 1100 yards rather than 80 catches for 1100 yards? why? wouldn't you rather your guy have a higher YPR?The answer is the stats are better for the guy who would get less points...it is illogical to reward a point for a reception. However, these days if you are trying to reduce the advantage to a QB it is one way to try and even it out...that is the only answerETA: the real solution is to add .25 for 1st downs or whatever the correct number is

^see my previous post, I'd enjoy your thoughts on it given your opinion on the subject

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

PPR reduces variance from week to week, so skilled managers win more consistently. Week 1: 6 catches, 65 yards, no TDsWeek 2: 6 catches, 60 yards, 1 TD.PPR: 12.5 pts, 18 ptsno PPR: 6.5 pts, 12 ptsPPR results in about a 50% increase from wk 1 to wk 2.no PPR results in almost a 100% increase from wk 1 to wk 2.Noobs are much better off with the random variance that occurs in no PPR. PPR is for sharks.

There's exactly the same amount of variance in both of those scenarios.

 

[Short Corner]

Sweet Baby Murphy on a pogo stick.

Who cares?

Pepsi or Coke?

Chevy or Ford?

ATI vs nVidia?

Chocolate vs Vanilla?

iPhone or Android?

Play in the type of league you prefer. There is no need to evangelize or proselytize to others, and try to to convert them to your league type.

You may like cheese-burgers better then spaghetti, I may like the opposite. Nobody should care about this. I could be in multiple types of leagues. In fact I am. Some PPR, some standard, some 0.5 PPR, some IDP only. (Used to play in 2QB.)

Anybody who seriously cares what leagues other people play in, need to recognize that if someone else chooses a different type of league, it doesn't reflect negatively on them, or their choice, their choice isn't incorrect. It's a flipping preference.

Just because I've made a choice, I don't need to convert other people to it, others can choose differently then me, if anything we should be celebrating a diverse choice of leagues, as having all leagues being flavor X or flavor Y would frankly be boring.

I enjoy having different formats, it makes for different types of puzzles or Rubik's cubes to solve.

It shouldn't be EITHER/OR.... go for both, or the one you prefer. Call me bi-format, I don't understand why people care what leagues other people play in.

/END RANT.

I don't care but if you read other threads the PPR proponents and opponents seem to piss in them...see the Victor Cruz thread. I thought this would be a good place to have a debate one time rather than in every other player thread.

IIRC, a standard scoring guy took a "pre-emptive shot" at PPRs in that thread and derailed it.

 

[FDC]

To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

Has a 7 catch guy ever had 7 yards?

On December 24, 1995, Adrian Murrell of the Jets had 9 catches for 12 yards.On November 19 of that same year, Chris Warren of the Seahawks had 3 catches for -24 yards.Going further back, on October 12, 1924, Dickie Crickets of the Kenosha Maroons had 8 catches for -87 yards, which still stands as the NFL record for receiving futility. He also missed two extra points in the game, and was later arrested for public nuisance after drunkenly ranting against President Coolidge in the stadium parking lot.

ha awesome

 

[Short Corner]

... with small bonuss given for COMPLETELY ARBITRARY benchmark yardage marks is the way to go.

this is the worst thing ever. 99 yards...nothing. 100 yards....congrats!

1 point at 50 yards, 1 point at 75 yards, 1 point at 100 yards. It just weights yardage more. I agree though 3 points at 100 or 0 at 99 is dumb.

Only slightly more dumb than the system you suggest.

 

[Shamrock61]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

That example is extremely rare.

Perhaps, but if you just give points for yardage and TDs then there are never any cases like this. Why introduce a scoring system that has a clear possibility of benefiting an undeserving player. Moreover while such an extreme example may be rare, its not that rare for a player to catch quite a few short passes that don't help his team all that much since his total yardage is so low yet his FF numbers are decent in a PPR league

Based on your response, it appears that you view PPR as  and injustice to the actual player himself rather than to the league using the scoring system. This can be seen in your question "Why introduce a scoring system that has a clear possibility of benefiting an UNDESERVING PLAYER?"  I'd say that the "undeserving player" and the "more deserving player" (actually wonder how you determine that - is it your own bias?) don't give a rip how points are tallied in  any given league. As to the actual leagues, all players within each league use the same rules, so each drafts according to whatever rules are in place (and I know of leagues who hand out 1 point for every 10 carries as well), so it doesn't benefit one FF player more than another. I'd say that the biggest draw for PPR leagues is that it adds another level of scoring to be watched, and brings players like Sproles into a more prominent ADP at draft time. (and if you think that Sproles pass catching ability out of the backfield doesn't factor into his role with the Saints, you really don't watch much football). All in all, I personally like PPR, and don't see the animosity toward it by those who think of themselves as "purists" - whatever that is. Maybe you should tell the Saints to cut Sproles because his handful of catches for little yardage means nothing to their success.

 

[VaTerp]

Sweet Baby Murphy on a pogo stick.

Who cares?

Pepsi or Coke?

Chevy or Ford?

ATI vs nVidia?

Chocolate vs Vanilla?

iPhone or Android?

Play in the type of league you prefer. There is no need to evangelize or proselytize to others, and try to to convert them to your league type.

You may like cheese-burgers better then spaghetti, I may like the opposite. Nobody should care about this. I could be in multiple types of leagues. In fact I am. Some PPR, some standard, some 0.5 PPR, some IDP only. (Used to play in 2QB.)

Anybody who seriously cares what leagues other people play in, need to recognize that if someone else chooses a different type of league, it doesn't reflect negatively on them, or their choice, their choice isn't incorrect. It's a flipping preference.

Just because I've made a choice, I don't need to convert other people to it, others can choose differently then me, if anything we should be celebrating a diverse choice of leagues, as having all leagues being flavor X or flavor Y would frankly be boring.

I enjoy having different formats, it makes for different types of puzzles or Rubik's cubes to solve.

It shouldn't be EITHER/OR.... go for both, or the one you prefer. Call me bi-format, I don't understand why people care what leagues other people play in.

/END RANT.

These threads come up EVERY year and this is the best answer EVERY single time. Why people feel the need to validate the leagues they prefer to play in and invalidate others is beyond me.

Choose leagues you enjoy and keep it moving. After starting off playing in non-ppr leagues I strongly prefer PPR as well as other scoring options that most would frown upon, even thought they've never played it.

Personally, I like points. It makes watching games more fun for me and gives me more things to root for. But that's me and my league and it works for me and my league members.

I don't feel the need to justify it to others nor do I look with disdain on others with different preferences. Find league scoring that you enjoy best and go at it. Pretty simple IMO.

 

[Wombat x]

... with small bonuss given for COMPLETELY ARBITRARY benchmark yardage marks is the way to go.

this is the worst thing ever. 99 yards...nothing. 100 yards....congrats!

1 point at 50 yards, 1 point at 75 yards, 1 point at 100 yards. It just weights yardage more. I agree though 3 points at 100 or 0 at 99 is dumb.

Only slightly more dumb than the system you suggest.

What is dumb about it?

Lets play non PPR with 6 points for passing td's guys. My top QB scores 150% more points that the closest RB. WOOOHOOO!

Yardage and catches are far more predictable and therefore should be rewarded equally with TD's.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Lets play non PPR with 6 points for passing td's guys. My top QB scores 150% more points that the closest RB. WOOOHOOO!

Your opponent's QB scores 150% more than his RB, too. What difference does it make? Unless you're playing in a league that has no lineup requirements at all, and you can just start 8 QBs, I don't understand why people cry that QBs score more points than other positions. It's the same for every owner in your league.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

PPR does not make WR more important compared to RB. Supply/Demand makes RB so valuable in most leagues. The mandate to start 2 RB (and ability to start 3 RB) in leagues is what makes them so valuable. Force owners to start 4 WR and remove their ability to start a 3rd RB and you'll WR value climb considerably without PPR.

 

[Chigurh]

Going further back, on October 12, 1924, Dickie Crickets of the Kenosha Maroons had 8 catches for -87 yards, which still stands as the NFL record for receiving futility. He also missed two extra points in the game, and was later arrested for public nuisance after drunkenly ranting against President Coolidge in the stadium parking lot.

 

[bulger2holt]

PPR is way more fun. It levels out the playing field. I would never go back to the old way.

 

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In NON PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified. In PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

^FWIW, the scoring I posted solves this problem in a way that doesn't introduce substantial irrational scoring arbitrage

Nobody is going to play your crazy scoring system... quit trying to pitch it. This is a PPR vs STRD thread.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

PPR is way more fun. It levels out the playing field. I would never go back to the old way.

How so?

 

[J. Cyrus]

In NON PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified. In PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

^FWIW, the scoring I posted solves this problem in a way that doesn't introduce substantial irrational scoring arbitrage

Nobody is going to play your crazy scoring system... quit trying to pitch it. This is a PPR vs STRD thread.

^I have nothing to gain from trying to "pitch" anything. This isn't a for-profit venture, lol. This is a forum.. ppl discuss ideas.. deal with it.And there's nothing "crazy" about the scoring system I presented. I find cheap insults and meaningless surface-level criticisms to be intellectually bankrupt.There are many in this thread on BOTH sides of the "PPR vs. STRD" debate who have big problems with the opposing view.. problems which the scoring I presented solves. Discussion of why and how that's done is completely relevant to the topic.Next time you insult another man's concept, bring substance to the table instead of foolishness

 

[We Tigers]

I just like the variety, especially if you do .5 PPR for all players. Lets you build your team differently and still compete, especially in a 2/2/flex league. In my .5 PPR flex league, the 24-36 scorers at both RB and WR have been pretty close, and we have folks effectively manage either at the flex spot. As leagues get larger, flexibility for more possible strategies gets more important if you want to maintain interest and competitiveness in the league each year.

 

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And there's nothing "crazy" about the scoring system I presented. I find cheap insults and meaningless surface-level criticisms to be intellectually bankrupt.

You are visually offensive and smell of wet dog. Better?

 

[Buffaloes]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

seems like PPR leagues make having good receiving RBs like Rice and McCoy more valuable not less valuable. But maybe not. I don't know since I don't play in non-ppr leagues.

 

[J. Cyrus]

And there's nothing "crazy" about the scoring system I presented. I find cheap insults and meaningless surface-level criticisms to be intellectually bankrupt.

You are visually offensive and smell of wet dog. Better?

^well played

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

PPR does not make WR more important compared to RB. Supply/Demand makes RB so valuable in most leagues. The mandate to start 2 RB (and ability to start 3 RB) in leagues is what makes them so valuable. Force owners to start 4 WR and remove their ability to start a 3rd RB and you'll WR value climb considerably without PPR.

DING DING DING!!! WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!PPR does not do what people think it does in regards to leveling the RB/WR playing field. Adjusting starting lineup requirements does exactly that.Also, in regards to the poster that said PPR is for sharks because it is more challenging... huh?!? PPR makes poor players startable, increasing the "startable" player pool, making it EASIER for weaker fantasy owners to fill their lineups.

 

[Dragon1952]

PPR is more fun. Who wants to draft Hakeem Nicks and get 3.8 pts on the night TD's are a crapshoot anyway (see Ogletree). At least you can halfway predict receptions.

 

[joffer]

PPR does not make WR more important compared to RB. Supply/Demand makes RB so valuable in most leagues. The mandate to start 2 RB (and ability to start 3 RB) in leagues is what makes them so valuable. Force owners to start 4 WR and remove their ability to start a 3rd RB and you'll WR value climb considerably without PPR.

DING DING DING!!! WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!PPR does not do what people think it does in regards to leveling the RB/WR playing field. Adjusting starting lineup requirements does exactly that.Also, in regards to the poster that said PPR is for sharks because it is more challenging... huh?!? PPR makes poor players startable, increasing the "startable" player pool, making it EASIER for weaker fantasy owners to fill their lineups.

ppr absolutely elevates the value of elite WRs relative to other positions

 

[Run It Up]

We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass?

Thats weird, cause I do.0.5 PPR for RB

1.0 PPR for WR

1.5 PPR for TE (start two TEs)

0.1 Pts per rush Attempt

0.1 Pts per pass Completed

-0.1 Pts per incomplete Pass

Basically my opinion is simply, if your gonna play standard, why not play TD only. I prefer having deep rosters where everyone matters and the owners that are the most knowledgeable have a larger edge.

The disparity between positions is so great its just unfun, draft a top 5 RB or lose.

 

[bigbrownbag]

PPR does not make WR more important compared to RB. Supply/Demand makes RB so valuable in most leagues. The mandate to start 2 RB (and ability to start 3 RB) in leagues is what makes them so valuable. Force owners to start 4 WR and remove their ability to start a 3rd RB and you'll WR value climb considerably without PPR.

DING DING DING!!! WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!PPR does not do what people think it does in regards to leveling the RB/WR playing field. Adjusting starting lineup requirements does exactly that.Also, in regards to the poster that said PPR is for sharks because it is more challenging... huh?!? PPR makes poor players startable, increasing the "startable" player pool, making it EASIER for weaker fantasy owners to fill their lineups.

Lol. "weaker fantasy owners". At this point 90% of this stuff is luck. Considering how much information is available to everyone. What makes a person a shark? Spending all afternoon on a website that they paid to subscribe to and receive daily and weekly advice on what to do with their team? Also, not so fast on your "chicken dinner"if you are "increasing the startable player pool" for the entire league how does it make it easier for weaker owners? The entire league has access to the same pool. If I could start a bum WR getting PPR vs your bum WR STD scoring,yeah that would be an advantage but when the scoring is the same your argument makes no sense.

 

[Fantasy Benchwarmer]

PPR leagues more challenging. PPR dynasty league more challenging then that. I get bored with regular leagues.

 

[Short Corner]

PPR does not make WR more important compared to RB. Supply/Demand makes RB so valuable in most leagues. The mandate to start 2 RB (and ability to start 3 RB) in leagues is what makes them so valuable. Force owners to start 4 WR and remove their ability to start a 3rd RB and you'll WR value climb considerably without PPR.

I don't think I will ever join another league that allows you to start 3 or more RBs or as few as 2 WRs. Skews the value of those positions way too much. Would like to try a 2QB league though.