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[Pipes]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

 

[ponchsox]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

 

[Donsmith753]

Maybe those 20 extra receptions got them 20 extra first downs and then another player scored 20 extra td's for the team.

Better stats? Debateable.

I don't know how you can say 2 TD's is worth 20 catches to a team. Where did this come from?

 

[Phenix]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

You get a point for a ctach, what is so hard to understand?Getting 100 catches is better than the guy who catches 80, regardless of the lucky scores the catches provide. The guy with 80 catches could be on a better team and get more scores, this is nothing new to fantasy. PPR shows more skill in the art of fantasy football knowledge.I suspect you will get ripped in this thread, because thats the way it goes around here.

 

[FDC]

Maybe those 20 extra receptions got them 20 extra first downs and then another player scored 20 extra td's for the team.

PPFD scoring the new rage? (point per first down)

 

[Phenix]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

Or maybe you wont play because your not a real fantasy footballer, to say it gives advantages....what about the runners like ray rice who catch a ton of passes.Noobs really?No advantage is given in ppr, catching passes are not a given, also should be rewarded for a guy who cathces 7 passes week in and week out over the guy who catches a lucky td.who should have more value to a team. The one play guy or the 7 catch guy?

 

[comfortably numb]

Different strokes for different folks.

The logic is to try to balance scoring amongst the positions.

That's why you see 1.5 for a TE.

That is why you see passing TD's worth 3-4pts and not always 6.

That is why leagues with a flex, typically don't offer QB as a flex position but do offer for RB/WR/TE

 

[Assani Fisher]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

If the argument is that 80 catches/1000 yards is better than 60/1000 because the 80 catch guy is more likely to have kept drives alive by getting 1st downs(which seems to be a tenuous claim to begin with) then why not simply give a point(or more) for all 1st downs instead?

 

[FDC]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

That example is extremely rare.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

Or maybe you wont play because your not a real fantasy footballer, to say it gives advantages....what about the runners like ray rice who catch a ton of passes.Noobs really?No advantage is given in ppr, catching passes are not a given, also should be rewarded for a guy who cathces 7 passes week in and week out over the guy who catches a lucky td.who should have more value to a team. The one play guy or the 7 catch guy?

This argument totally ignores the fact that the guy catching 7 passes is already being rewarded for his yardage.To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

 

[ppierce]

playing in a ppr league for first time. i spent 15 years in tradtional league. not really a fan with the concept but we'll see.

 

[habsfan]

Balancing intent aside, I see scoring and settings as assumptions. They are the rules of the game. I know them going in, so I simply draft and start according to them.

 

[Assani Fisher]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

That example is extremely rare.

Perhaps, but if you just give points for yardage and TDs then there are never any cases like this. Why introduce a scoring system that has a clear possibility of benefiting an undeserving player. Moreover while such an extreme example may be rare, its not that rare for a player to catch quite a few short passes that don't help his team all that much since his total yardage is so low yet his FF numbers are decent in a PPR league

 

[FDC]

To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

Has a 7 catch guy ever had 7 yards?

 

[Novice2]

PPR Non PPR blah no big issue. The real enemy is 2 QB leagues. That is UnAmerican and will destroy fantasy football if it is not squashed now!

 

[Guest]

Maybe those 20 extra receptions got them 20 extra first downs and then another player scored 20 extra td's for the team.

PPFD scoring the new rage? (point per first down)

We've been doing .25 pts per first down for 10 years.

 

[FDC]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

That example is extremely rare.

Perhaps, but if you just give points for yardage and TDs then there are never any cases like this. Why introduce a scoring system that has a clear possibility of benefiting an undeserving player. Moreover while such an extreme example may be rare, its not that rare for a player to catch quite a few short passes that don't help his team all that much since his total yardage is so low yet his FF numbers are decent in a PPR league

I play in both types of leagues. In my experience PPR leads to more 'deserving' scoring. Wes Welker is a good example, a PPR monster whose real NFL value surpasses his standard fantasy scoring value.

 

[two_dollars]

To balance position value. That is all. Has nothing to do with reality of "worth" on the field. It's simply to make scoring a more even playing field.

 

[Cato]

Sweet Baby Murphy on a pogo stick.

Who cares?

Pepsi or Coke?

Chevy or Ford?

ATI vs nVidia?

Chocolate vs Vanilla?

iPhone or Android?

Play in the type of league you prefer. There is no need to evangelize or proselytize to others, and try to to convert them to your league type.

You may like cheese-burgers better then spaghetti, I may like the opposite. Nobody should care about this. I could be in multiple types of leagues. In fact I am. Some PPR, some standard, some 0.5 PPR, some IDP only. (Used to play in 2QB.)

Anybody who seriously cares what leagues other people play in, need to recognize that if someone else chooses a different type of league, it doesn't reflect negatively on them, or their choice, their choice isn't incorrect. It's a flipping preference.

Just because I've made a choice, I don't need to convert other people to it, others can choose differently then me, if anything we should be celebrating a diverse choice of leagues, as having all leagues being flavor X or flavor Y would frankly be boring.

I enjoy having different formats, it makes for different types of puzzles or Rubik's cubes to solve.

It shouldn't be EITHER/OR.... go for both, or the one you prefer. Call me bi-format, I don't understand why people care what leagues other people play in.

/END RANT.

 

[Shutout]

Different strokes for different folks.The logic is to try to balance scoring amongst the positions. That's why you see 1.5 for a TE.That is why you see passing TD's worth 3-4pts and not always 6.That is why leagues with a flex, typically don't offer QB as a flex position but do offer for RB/WR/TE

Yes, its all about balance and it can be very effective. In keeper and dynasty leagues, IF the PPR rules are set well, then it goes a long way in helping promote balance as well as trading. It really diminshes the advantages that some positions would otherwise have. it adds a strategical component in drafting as well as weekly lineups. Overall, I think it does far much more good than bad for leagues. Every once in a while its frustrating to play against a random RB whose weak-armed QB checks down to him 12 times a game but those things are far and few between. For the most part, it serves its purpose and its one of those things like IDP: People just don't get it until they do it and some hate it and some say the wouldn't have it any other way. I usually recommend that people try the different set ups and find one they may like.

 

[joffer]

Love ppr

 

[Badgers Fan]

I agree with Cato, it is just a prefernce of people. I remember playing in standard leagues always wishing that I got points when a guy caught the ball. Super standard leagues (4 pt passing td's, no ppr, no 100/300 yard bonuses) are just too low scoring and get boring to me. These type of leagues also blow up the value of someone who is solely a touchdown specialist or a goal line type of back. If Dez Bryant goes and grabs 12 touchdowns this year that is great but personally I think if Wes Welker gets 115 receptions he should be rewarded for that. Touchdowns on a year to year basis can be somewhat fluky, but having a guy like Wes who is heavily involved every single game should be worth something. Of course those are two random examples and I'm sure there are many ways to poke holes in ppr. I guess I would just say I like it the best. I like knowing that I'm getting points any time my receiver catches the ball.

 

[steveski]

It rewards receivers that are targeted most, not just the deep threat guy. The guys that move the chains are the guys that give the deep threat guy a chance. Why not reward the guys moving the chains?

Like Novice2 said, the real enemy is 2 QB leagues. I'd also like to throw in 6pt passing TD leagues as well.

 

[matuski]

The only logic that matters, ppr is more fun.

 

[Pipes]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

You get a point for a ctach, what is so hard to understand?Getting 100 catches is better than the guy who catches 80, regardless of the lucky scores the catches provide. The guy with 80 catches could be on a better team and get more scores, this is nothing new to fantasy. PPR shows more skill in the art of fantasy football knowledge.I suspect you will get ripped in this thread, because thats the way it goes around here.

I understand that but then why not reward QB's for completions, RB's for attempts, etc. I understand that's being a little extreme but the logic behind it seems a little odd. What bothers me is Cruz for example was rewarded for catching a number of passes last night but he's not penalized for his 3 drops. It seems to me that he should be penalized for that.I don't really care that much and if people enjoy PPR great. Part of the reason I started this thread is it seems that in every player thread the PPR proponents and PPR opponents seem to start bickering. I thought a thread like this would be a better spot for that.

 

[Pipes]

Sweet Baby Murphy on a pogo stick.

Who cares?

Pepsi or Coke?

Chevy or Ford?

ATI vs nVidia?

Chocolate vs Vanilla?

iPhone or Android?

Play in the type of league you prefer. There is no need to evangelize or proselytize to others, and try to to convert them to your league type.

You may like cheese-burgers better then spaghetti, I may like the opposite. Nobody should care about this. I could be in multiple types of leagues. In fact I am. Some PPR, some standard, some 0.5 PPR, some IDP only. (Used to play in 2QB.)

Anybody who seriously cares what leagues other people play in, need to recognize that if someone else chooses a different type of league, it doesn't reflect negatively on them, or their choice, their choice isn't incorrect. It's a flipping preference.

Just because I've made a choice, I don't need to convert other people to it, others can choose differently then me, if anything we should be celebrating a diverse choice of leagues, as having all leagues being flavor X or flavor Y would frankly be boring.

I enjoy having different formats, it makes for different types of puzzles or Rubik's cubes to solve.

It shouldn't be EITHER/OR.... go for both, or the one you prefer. Call me bi-format, I don't understand why people care what leagues other people play in.

/END RANT.

I don't care but if you read other threads the PPR proponents and opponents seem to piss in them...see the Victor Cruz thread. I thought this would be a good place to have a debate one time rather than in every other player thread.

 

[FDC]

I understand that but then why not reward QB's for completions, RB's for attempts, etc. I understand that's being a little extreme but the logic behind it seems a little odd. What bothers me is Cruz for example was rewarded for catching a number of passes last night but he's not penalized for his 3 drops. It seems to me that he should be penalized for that.

Drops are too subjective. Attempts, both passing and rushing, don't show any real skill or value.

 

[Cato]

I don't care but if you read other threads the PPR proponents and opponents seem to piss in them...see the Victor Cruz thread. I thought this would be a good place to have a debate one time rather than in every other player thread.

Fair enough, I guess I don't understand those people then. It's like debating which ice cream flavour is better to me. Or some cars are manual, some are automatic. Or innies are better then outies. I can't wrap my head around it. But you're 100% right, if this consolidates the debate, then so much the better.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

More points = more fun

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

was all the rage before the modern rbbc era. used to equalize value between wrs and rbs. if used i think clearly a rb catch should be .5. never played 1.5 te but i like it.

 

[SameSongNDance]

WRs/TEs become near worthless in comparison to QBs/RBs without PPR due to the latter's sheer volume of reps. Without PPR, leagues are QB/RB driven. Most people are just looking for a little balance. I honestly don't know anyone who plays standard anymore.

 

[MCguidance]

it does seem pretty strange that people think its fair to give more points to a guy who caught 4 passes for 4 yards than a guy who caught 1 pass for 33 yards.

If the argument is that 80 catches/1000 yards is better than 60/1000 because the 80 catch guy is more likely to have kept drives alive by getting 1st downs(which seems to be a tenuous claim to begin with) then why not simply give a point(or more) for all 1st downs instead?

Why? That 33 yarder could have been pretty lucky while the 4 catches seems like that player is part of a gameplan, no?

 

[comfortably numb]

So there seems to be a number of PPR advocates on this board who seem to spread the PPR shtick pretty thick. I'm not saying one scoring system is better but please help me understand the logic behind this method. We don't give points for a QB completing a pass or a RB getting a carry but yet you choose to reward a RB or WR for simply catching a pass? Makes no sense to me. I could understand maybe A need for this back in the day when RBs dominated fantasy scoring but in today's pass happy NFL that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Also how do you justify WR a with 80 rec, 1100 yards and 8 tds getting less points than a WR with 100 rec, 1100 yards and 6 tds. The first WR has better stats yet would score less points due to having less catches. Fantasy football used to be about scoring TDs and getting yards, not simply catching a pass. Alright PPR advocates make your case

You get a point for a ctach, what is so hard to understand?Getting 100 catches is better than the guy who catches 80, regardless of the lucky scores the catches provide. The guy with 80 catches could be on a better team and get more scores, this is nothing new to fantasy. PPR shows more skill in the art of fantasy football knowledge.

I suspect you will get ripped in this thread, because thats the way it goes around here.

I understand that but then why not reward QB's for completions, RB's for attempts, etc. I understand that's being a little extreme but the logic behind it seems a little odd. What bothers me is Cruz for example was rewarded for catching a number of passes last night but he's not penalized for his 3 drops. It seems to me that he should be penalized for that.I don't really care that much and if people enjoy PPR great. Part of the reason I started this thread is it seems that in every player thread the PPR proponents and PPR opponents seem to start bickering. I thought a thread like this would be a better spot for that.

Because the value of QB/RB in most leagues prior to PPR was already very high.This was done to mainly try to bump up the value of WR/TE

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sweet Baby Murphy on a pogo stick.

Who cares?

Pepsi or Coke?

Chevy or Ford?

ATI vs nVidia?

Chocolate vs Vanilla?

iPhone or Android?

Play in the type of league you prefer. There is no need to evangelize or proselytize to others, and try to to convert them to your league type.

You may like cheese-burgers better then spaghetti, I may like the opposite. Nobody should care about this. I could be in multiple types of leagues. In fact I am. Some PPR, some standard, some 0.5 PPR, some IDP only. (Used to play in 2QB.)

Anybody who seriously cares what leagues other people play in, need to recognize that if someone else chooses a different type of league, it doesn't reflect negatively on them, or their choice, their choice isn't incorrect. It's a flipping preference.

Just because I've made a choice, I don't need to convert other people to it, others can choose differently then me, if anything we should be celebrating a diverse choice of leagues, as having all leagues being flavor X or flavor Y would frankly be boring.

I enjoy having different formats, it makes for different types of puzzles or Rubik's cubes to solve.

It shouldn't be EITHER/OR.... go for both, or the one you prefer. Call me bi-format, I don't understand why people care what leagues other people play in.

/END RANT.

 

[J. Cyrus]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

 

[Warrior]

.5 PPR

Best of both worlds

 

[Warrior]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

 

[joffer]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

that's awful

 

[Runningman]

It makes the game, and fantasy football is a game, more playable. I have seen leagues where you may as well have seperate drafts for positions. The first two rounds are the RB portion. Next two WR portion with a QB thrown in for spice. Etc. I have found PPR gives more options so that I don't have to take my RBs at my slotted spot and hope they stay healthy, have a good year etc. If you are going to have a draft it helps alot to have a scoring system so a person can build a non RB reliant team.

 

[shader]

As a veteran of both systems, I can see the pros and cons of both.

The problem with non-ppr leagues is that it makes rb's unbelievably important and relegates wr's to after thoughts. With the constant injuries and with rbbc's, it makes fantasy football more about luck than ppr, in my opinion. Whoever has the best rb's that stay healthy wins.

With ppr, wr's instantly have relevance, and if your main rb tears up a knee, you can replace a good bit of that production and still compete.

 

[J. Cyrus]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

^your response is ridiculous -- this isn't 1986. It's called live scoring and the internet. They even have it on phones now Bottom line, it tells us who produced for their team in a way that's more accurate than most ppl currently use. The point is to assign correct credit for on-field production.

 

[[icon]]

In NON PPR the draft goes:

RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)

One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified.

In PPR the draft goes:

RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)

The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

 

[J. Cyrus]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

that's awful

^Why? Because it's different from what you're used to? Bottom line is that it probably does a much better job sorting the top players regardless of position than whatever scoring you currently have.Do you think it makes sense when a low end QB scores as many points as an elite RB/WR/TE? I don't.

 

[J. Cyrus]

In NON PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified. In PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

^FWIW, the scoring I posted solves this problem in a way that doesn't introduce substantial irrational scoring arbitrage

 

[Pipes]

In NON PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB/RB... (yawn)One position dominates scoring and the benefit of a lucky early draft slot is magnified. In PPR the draft goes:RB/RB/WR/RB/RB/TE/WR/RB... (mo betta)The top players at other positions are more adequately represented and the "elite" player pool is more balanced.. thereby moving the focus toward prognosticating across the board rather than just drafting down the list of Bellcow RBs.

I don't think this is true. In the non PPR leagues I've been in the top WR's are in the same ballpark (points wise) as the top RB. A guy like Calvin is still ranked 4th behind Foster, Rice and McCoy in either format. And the top QB's are still the highest scorers regardless of PPR vs Non PPR.Doesn't PPR widen the difference between the top RB's even more? I would like a guy like Rice, McCoy or McFadden would be even that much more valuable in a PPR since they catch the ball alot more than the next tier of RBs. There are so many WR's nowadays in the 60-80 rec, 1000-1200 yards, 8-10 Td range that I'd think you'd still need to get one of those top RB's and roll with a WR later.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

People just get too damn crazy

 

[Ryan99]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

This is a great system. As we all know, the best 7 players in the league are all quarterbacks, so this makes total sense.

 

[J. Cyrus]

This topic irritates me so much, lol. Look, the criticisms of PPR scoring are just as valid as the desire to balance scoring between various positions. I've developed a system which accomplishes the latter without resorting to the former:- all offensive yards (passing, rushing and receiving) are scored as follows: 5 yards = 1 point- minus 1 point per pass attempt thrown- minus 0.3 points per carry- minus 0.2 points per receptionThe end result is an extremely logical sorting of top players regardless of position. Case in point, last year's top 25 in points scored in my league under this system:

Drew BreesAaron RodgersTom BradyMatthew StaffordCam NewtonEli ManningTony RomoCalvin JohnsonRay RicePhilip RiversMatt RyanVictor CruzRob GronkowskiWes WelkerLeSean McCoyJordy NelsonArian FosterMaurice Jones-DrewLarry FitzgeraldMichael VickSteve SmithBen RoethlisbergerJimmy GrahamDarren SprolesMike Wallace

^that's a nice "who's who" of elite contributors, and best of all, you don't reward QBs simply for being QBs. They've got to earn it. No Mark Sanchez or Andy Dalton scoring as many points as Jimmy Graham or something.

:X yikes...do. not. want.:eyton manning throws for a 33 yard TD::"How many points did you just get?""Let's see....carry the four, divide by x, minus pi...."

People just get too damn crazy

^it's really all relative. Once upon a time, Auctions and PPR were considered "crazy". Now they're normal.Fantasy is all about who's the best at judging which players will be the best. Your scoring should do as good a job as possible rewarding the best players.

 

[jasvic]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

Or maybe you wont play because your not a real fantasy footballer, to say it gives advantages....what about the runners like ray rice who catch a ton of passes.Noobs really?No advantage is given in ppr, catching passes are not a given, also should be rewarded for a guy who cathces 7 passes week in and week out over the guy who catches a lucky td.who should have more value to a team. The one play guy or the 7 catch guy?

This argument totally ignores the fact that the guy catching 7 passes is already being rewarded for his yardage.To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

Flip side to your coin, should a guy with 2 catches for 2 yards and 2 TDs get more points than a guy with 15 catches for 110 yards?

 

[comfortably numb]

I won't play in PPR leagues because it ruins the advantage of having good RBs. I think it makes the playing field more even for those who are fantasy noobs.

Or maybe you wont play because your not a real fantasy footballer, to say it gives advantages....what about the runners like ray rice who catch a ton of passes.Noobs really?No advantage is given in ppr, catching passes are not a given, also should be rewarded for a guy who cathces 7 passes week in and week out over the guy who catches a lucky td.who should have more value to a team. The one play guy or the 7 catch guy?

This argument totally ignores the fact that the guy catching 7 passes is already being rewarded for his yardage.To answer your question: If the 7 catch guy has 7 catches for 7 yards then the TD guy should be rewarded more imo. If the 7 catch guy puts up a ton of yardage then obviously he should be rewarded more(and he will be if your league gives points for yardage).

Flip side to your coin, should a guy with 2 catches for 2 yards and 2 TDs get more points than a guy with 15 catches for 110 yards?

You leave John Kuhn and Leory Hoard out of this conversation!