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***Pre-Game Thread*** Green Bay at Philadelphia (1 Viewer)

You mean the game that he started out with an INT that led to 7 points for Arizona...and that he ended with a fumble that led to 7 points for Arizona? Yeah...he proved quite a bit....
Yup thats the game. The same game that Rodgers threw for 423 yards, 4 tds vs 1 int, ran for a td, had a 121.3 rating and led the team to 45 pts. Not bad for a playoff debut. Also the fumble that ended the game was extremely questionable as a penalty could have been called. Regardless, pinning that game on Rodgers is laughable............
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Rodgers' playoff record is 0-1. You can qualify it all you want; the result is the same. He has never won a playoff game, hence he has not proven anything.
This whole "PROVEN" thing doesn't mean #### to be quite honest. What does "PROVEN" even mean? It certainly doesn't guarantee future success. Brett Favre won a super bowl, does that mean he's PROVEN that he won't bust in big games? It's about the dumbest thing in sports.
Tom Brady is proven in the playoffs.....do you deny that?
 
unckeyherb said:
He has also proven that he is susceptible to ill-timed turnovers and hasn't won one yet. thats all.
He got hit from a corner blitz (who held on to his facemask for about 9 seconds, mind you)....Would love to see film that he held it for 9 seconds...i'll wait.

I guess people would say that he held on to the ball too long.... But on third down, are you really going to throw the ball away and punt it in overtime to the offense that your defense has not stopped all day (Certain loss) or are you going to wait and try and make a play against a defense that you've already racked up 425 yards and 5 TDs against?

Holding the ball too long...not anticipating the rush is the job of the QB.

Also the Cardinals Defense isn't anything to talk about. The Packers had Ryan Grant and Finley in that game as well. Rodgers clearly had better weapons to work with vs a poor defense. That had to pass and recovered an onside kick(hence inflated #'s).

I think that if there's one thing he has proven (especially compared to his processor) is that he's NOT susceptible to ill-time turnovers.... Awesome TD/turnover ratio and the best stats of a quarterback in his first two NFL season for the history of the NFL...

It is true that he hasn't won one yet... He's played one game and went for 425/5TDs on the road against the defending NFC Champs... If he would have went for 140 and 0 and the Packers beat the Cardinals 7-3, is he suddenly a better quarterback?

What does the Packers extremely craptastic defense that day have to do with Rodgers?

Do I think Rodgers should be judged off of one game? No. Will Packer fans just see me as a Bears fan in this thread and not read my last statement and heckle me? Yes.
 
Tom Brady is proven in the playoffs.....do you deny that?
So is Trent Dilfer.What's your point?
Brady=Dilfer....would love to hear that logic. Don't be a tool or go on a :fishing: trip. I would hope you're better than that.
Would love to hear how you think he was saying Brady = Dilfer.
I've now realized that nothing gets through that huge block of cheese on Packer fans heads.
 
Sweet...telling people not to be tools or not to fish...cheese rants...and huge jumps in logic to make a claim like a guy was saying Brady = Dilfer.

 
The Eagles red zone defense isn't just bad, it's historically, worst ever in the annals of the NFL bad. If you get inside the 20, you're pretty much guaranteed to scored a td. If Rodgers is just close to being on, he will shred this secondary to pieces. This entire game falls at the hands of Sean McDermott (D-Coordinator). If he doesn't haven't something planned to throw off Rodgers and their receivers, then it's going to be a long day for us. While it was an exciting year, with Vick doing amazing things, the botom line is this defense is not good, at all. I just don't see how the Eagles can win this game from a defensive standpoint.

Of course I hope I'm wrong and will eat it if they win.

Go Birds!

 
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The Eagles red zone defense isn't just bad, it's historically, worst ever in the annals of the NFL bad. If you get inside the 20, you're pretty much guaranteed to scored a td. If Rodgers is just close to being on, he will shred this secondary to pieces. This entire game falls at the hands of Sean McDermott (D-Coordinator). If he doesn't haven't something planned to throw off Rodgers and their receivers, then it's going to be a long day for us. While it was an exciting year, with Vick doing amazing things, the botom line is this defense is not good, at all. I just don't see how the Eagles can win this game from a defensive standpoint. Of course I hope I'm wrong and will eat it if they win.Go Birds!
I'm having a hard time handicapping this game.The Eagles defense doesn't match up well with a college team right now, let alone a team with an offense as good as GBs. But IMO, homefield advantage is going to be huge this game and for some reason GB has had a tough time winning games on the road. I don't follow them enough to know why. On paper, GB should win this game. But as Eagles fans, we all know how winning games on paper goes. I think the week off for some of the Eagles players will pay huge dividends in this one as it gave Vick a chance to 100% and it let DJax rest his foot.
 
The Eagles red zone defense isn't just bad, it's historically, worst ever in the annals of the NFL bad. If you get inside the 20, you're pretty much guaranteed to scored a td. If Rodgers is just close to being on, he will shred this secondary to pieces. This entire game falls at the hands of Sean McDermott (D-Coordinator). If he doesn't haven't something planned to throw off Rodgers and their receivers, then it's going to be a long day for us. While it was an exciting year, with Vick doing amazing things, the botom line is this defense is not good, at all. I just don't see how the Eagles can win this game from a defensive standpoint. Of course I hope I'm wrong and will eat it if they win.Go Birds!
I'm having a hard time handicapping this game.The Eagles defense doesn't match up well with a college team right now, let alone a team with an offense as good as GBs. But IMO, homefield advantage is going to be huge this game and for some reason GB has had a tough time winning games on the road. I don't follow them enough to know why. On paper, GB should win this game. But as Eagles fans, we all know how winning games on paper goes. I think the week off for some of the Eagles players will pay huge dividends in this one as it gave Vick a chance to 100% and it let DJax rest his foot.
While they were a much better team at home this year, in years past they actually were a strong road team.And its not like they played poorly on the road. Beat Philly, Vikings and the Jets, had the bad loss in Wasington and Detroit were the worst plays for sure, went down to the wire with Chicago, Atlanta, and New England.5-3 on the road last year with the close loss at Pitt.The thing is, this matchup looks good for them...but like others, Vick just scares me. What he and Jackson and Maclin can do, plus their ability to run the ball has me worried a bit. Though, I do like our defense, will just be a huge huge test for them.
 
The Eagles red zone defense isn't just bad, it's historically, worst ever in the annals of the NFL bad. If you get inside the 20, you're pretty much guaranteed to scored a td. If Rodgers is just close to being on, he will shred this secondary to pieces. This entire game falls at the hands of Sean McDermott (D-Coordinator). If he doesn't haven't something planned to throw off Rodgers and their receivers, then it's going to be a long day for us. While it was an exciting year, with Vick doing amazing things, the botom line is this defense is not good, at all. I just don't see how the Eagles can win this game from a defensive standpoint. Of course I hope I'm wrong and will eat it if they win.Go Birds!
I'm having a hard time handicapping this game.The Eagles defense doesn't match up well with a college team right now, let alone a team with an offense as good as GBs. But IMO, homefield advantage is going to be huge this game and for some reason GB has had a tough time winning games on the road. I don't follow them enough to know why. On paper, GB should win this game. But as Eagles fans, we all know how winning games on paper goes. I think the week off for some of the Eagles players will pay huge dividends in this one as it gave Vick a chance to 100% and it let DJax rest his foot.
While they were a much better team at home this year, in years past they actually were a strong road team.And its not like they played poorly on the road. Beat Philly, Vikings and the Jets, had the bad loss in Wasington and Detroit were the worst plays for sure, went down to the wire with Chicago, Atlanta, and New England.5-3 on the road last year with the close loss at Pitt.The thing is, this matchup looks good for them...but like others, Vick just scares me. What he and Jackson and Maclin can do, plus their ability to run the ball has me worried a bit. Though, I do like our defense, will just be a huge huge test for them.
Yeah, I agree. The winner of this game very well could be the NFC representative in Dallas. Too close to call, IMO.
 
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.

 
The Eagles red zone defense isn't just bad, it's historically, worst ever in the annals of the NFL bad. If you get inside the 20, you're pretty much guaranteed to scored a td. If Rodgers is just close to being on, he will shred this secondary to pieces. This entire game falls at the hands of Sean McDermott (D-Coordinator). If he doesn't haven't something planned to throw off Rodgers and their receivers, then it's going to be a long day for us. While it was an exciting year, with Vick doing amazing things, the botom line is this defense is not good, at all. I just don't see how the Eagles can win this game from a defensive standpoint. Of course I hope I'm wrong and will eat it if they win.Go Birds!
I'm having a hard time handicapping this game.The Eagles defense doesn't match up well with a college team right now, let alone a team with an offense as good as GBs. But IMO, homefield advantage is going to be huge this game and for some reason GB has had a tough time winning games on the road. I don't follow them enough to know why. On paper, GB should win this game. But as Eagles fans, we all know how winning games on paper goes. I think the week off for some of the Eagles players will pay huge dividends in this one as it gave Vick a chance to 100% and it let DJax rest his foot.
Vick has historically owned the Packers. The Pack may win, but I expect Vick to do his thing
 
Sweet...telling people not to be tools or not to fish...cheese rants...and huge jumps in logic to make a claim like a guy was saying Brady = Dilfer.
Must be Eagles-Packers Playoffs!!!Getting Pumped now. :lmao:
Problem was, it was from a bear fan.Seems both Packers and Eagles fans are worried about their own teams.
Eh, he'll get his next week when they're one and done. Big Game is this week!.
 
Keys to the game for the Eagles:1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries. 2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them. 3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
Keys for Packers:1) Don't give up the huge chunks of yards.2) Don't settle for field goals. 3) Give Rodgers time to find his receivers.
 
Keys to the game for the Eagles:1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries. 2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them. 3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
I agree with this 100% - especially the carries to McCoy part.This, on the other hand:
The winner of this game very well could be the NFC representative in Dallas.
Umm...not so much. Either one, if they win, have to play to road games against the Bears and Falcons (most likely). I know both the Eagles and Packers have already lost at Soldier Field once this year and Atlanta is also pretty good at home.
 
DoubleG said:
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
I agree with this 100% - especially the carries to McCoy part.This, on the other hand:

Snotbubbles said:
The winner of this game very well could be the NFC representative in Dallas.
Umm...not so much. Either one, if they win, have to play to road games against the Bears and Falcons (most likely). I know both the Eagles and Packers have already lost at Soldier Field once this year and Atlanta is also pretty good at home.
Did you miss the bolded? So you're saying you think they'd have NO chance to beat the Bears and Falcons? It's not like those two dominated everyone they played.
 
It might sound odd, but I think Philly has a better chance of taking down Chicago or Atlanta on the road then Green Bay does....but see this game as 50-50. GB is simply a terrible matchup for the birds.

 
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It might sound odd, but I think Philly has a better chance of taking down Chicago or Atlanta on the road then Green Bay does....but see this game as 50-50. GB is simply a terrible matchup for the birds.
Why?Did GB get blown out against those two teams on the road when they played them?Both games were FG games.I think GB has just as good of a shot as anyone to go on the road and beat some of these teams.
 
This is a fantastic game. Way too good for wildcard weekend. I think GB will prevail 27-24, but winner of this will play the Saints for the NFC Championship.

 
It might sound odd, but I think Philly has a better chance of taking down Chicago or Atlanta on the road then Green Bay does....but see this game as 50-50. GB is simply a terrible matchup for the birds.
Why?Did GB get blown out against those two teams on the road when they played them?Both games were FG games.I think GB has just as good of a shot as anyone to go on the road and beat some of these teams.
I wasn't slighting Green Bay. Philly already beat Atlanta this year, and played close in Chicago in arguably one of their worst played games of the year. Atlanta and Chicago are well-rounded teams. Philly and Green Bay have flaws, but also areas of superb strength. Teams with flaws (like Philly and Green Bay) are more susceptible to matchup problems. Green Bay has ZERO rushing threat...I think that flaw is badly exposed against a solid, well rounded defense like Chicago. Philly has a below average O-Line and a thin secondary. I think that's a potentially fatal flaw against a team like Green Bay that has a ton of LB speed, a good pass rush, and a deep set of WR's. Both Philly and Green Bay are the kinds of teams that will embarass one good team while inexplicably falling to what most would consider average squads....all about the matchups.
 
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries. 2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them. 3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
1) Yes. GB is tied for 2nd-worst ypc in the league.2) Yes, but the receivers also need to help out. There were times in the Min game where Vick picked it up, but the receivers didn't turn around to give him the target.3) Eh, sure you can say that this would be a big help, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to put much hope on this. Ideally, McDermott will design something like in the Indy game, where all the different looks really confused Manning. This should be a similar situation, in that GB also has very little in the way of a running game.Additional keys:4) Get DeSean involved early. If he doesn't get his early on, he tends to disappear.5) Parker and Cole winning battles and getting a good rush. They should have an advantage over Bulaga and Clifton and they need to exploit that in order to help the secondary.6) Honestly, I think that this is going to come down to whether Vick can make plays when he needs to do. I have no confidence in the Eagles' D getting stops when they need them, so can Vick get big plays early to let the D be a little more aggressive or score on the last drive?I'm going Eagles 34-31, but honestly that's at least partly homer talk. Would not be surprised in the least to see GB win. I do think that the Eagles need to put up at least 27 to win this game. I think that GB has a much better chance of stopping the Eagles' O than the other way around.The Eagles should also hearken back to the Atlanta game as a blueprint for this one on offense, where their misdirection and commitment to running led to a blowout.
 
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
1) Yes. GB is tied for 2nd-worst ypc in the league.2) Yes, but the receivers also need to help out. There were times in the Min game where Vick picked it up, but the receivers didn't turn around to give him the target.

3) Eh, sure you can say that this would be a big help, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to put much hope on this. Ideally, McDermott will design something like in the Indy game, where all the different looks really confused Manning. This should be a similar situation, in that GB also has very little in the way of a running game.

Additional keys:

4) Get DeSean involved early. If he doesn't get his early on, he tends to disappear.

5) Parker and Cole winning battles and getting a good rush. They should have an advantage over Bulaga and Clifton and they need to exploit that in order to help the secondary.

6) Honestly, I think that this is going to come down to whether Vick can make plays when he needs to do. I have no confidence in the Eagles' D getting stops when they need them, so can Vick get big plays early to let the D be a little more aggressive or score on the last drive?

I'm going Eagles 34-31, but honestly that's at least partly homer talk. Would not be surprised in the least to see GB win. I do think that the Eagles need to put up at least 27 to win this game. I think that GB has a much better chance of stopping the Eagles' O than the other way around.

The Eagles should also hearken back to the Atlanta game as a blueprint for this one on offense, where their misdirection and commitment to running led to a blowout.
People keep saying this and then picking the Eagles. :goodposting:
 
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
1) Yes. GB is tied for 2nd-worst ypc in the league.2) Yes, but the receivers also need to help out. There were times in the Min game where Vick picked it up, but the receivers didn't turn around to give him the target.

3) Eh, sure you can say that this would be a big help, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to put much hope on this. Ideally, McDermott will design something like in the Indy game, where all the different looks really confused Manning. This should be a similar situation, in that GB also has very little in the way of a running game.

Additional keys:

4) Get DeSean involved early. If he doesn't get his early on, he tends to disappear.

5) Parker and Cole winning battles and getting a good rush. They should have an advantage over Bulaga and Clifton and they need to exploit that in order to help the secondary.

6) Honestly, I think that this is going to come down to whether Vick can make plays when he needs to do. I have no confidence in the Eagles' D getting stops when they need them, so can Vick get big plays early to let the D be a little more aggressive or score on the last drive?

I'm going Eagles 34-31, but honestly that's at least partly homer talk. Would not be surprised in the least to see GB win. I do think that the Eagles need to put up at least 27 to win this game. I think that GB has a much better chance of stopping the Eagles' O than the other way around.

The Eagles should also hearken back to the Atlanta game as a blueprint for this one on offense, where their misdirection and commitment to running led to a blowout.
3 point loss to the Falcons is a blowout???

 
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
1) Yes. GB is tied for 2nd-worst ypc in the league.2) Yes, but the receivers also need to help out. There were times in the Min game where Vick picked it up, but the receivers didn't turn around to give him the target.

3) Eh, sure you can say that this would be a big help, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to put much hope on this. Ideally, McDermott will design something like in the Indy game, where all the different looks really confused Manning. This should be a similar situation, in that GB also has very little in the way of a running game.

Additional keys:

4) Get DeSean involved early. If he doesn't get his early on, he tends to disappear.

5) Parker and Cole winning battles and getting a good rush. They should have an advantage over Bulaga and Clifton and they need to exploit that in order to help the secondary.

6) Honestly, I think that this is going to come down to whether Vick can make plays when he needs to do. I have no confidence in the Eagles' D getting stops when they need them, so can Vick get big plays early to let the D be a little more aggressive or score on the last drive?

I'm going Eagles 34-31, but honestly that's at least partly homer talk. Would not be surprised in the least to see GB win. I do think that the Eagles need to put up at least 27 to win this game. I think that GB has a much better chance of stopping the Eagles' O than the other way around.

The Eagles should also hearken back to the Atlanta game as a blueprint for this one on offense, where their misdirection and commitment to running led to a blowout.
3 point loss to the Falcons is a blowout???
He's not talking about GB-Atl, he's talking about Atl-Phi. He thinks the game plan Phi used against Atl will work against GB in the same fashion.
 
While we're on it, what the hell has happened to the Eagles defense the last two years? They're an improvement over last year, but are still bad.

 
While we're on it, what the hell has happened to the Eagles defense the last two years? They're an improvement over last year, but are still bad.
Just no personnel, partly due to injuries this year.Their current linebacker starters consist of a 7th-round pick rookie, a 7th-round pick from last year and Ernie Sims, who is showing why he never did anything in Detroit.Opposite Asante Samuel is an undrafted free agent in his 3rd year and at Free Safety is a 7th round rookie.The depth at LB and in the secondary consists of no one who was higher than a 5th-round pick and many of whom were undrafted.Defensive line has been decent and overall they have been pretty good against the run, but they don't get a very good rush on the passer if not blitzing. If they blitz, then they really leave a below average secondary exposed.
 
DoubleG said:
Insein said:
Keys to the game for the Eagles:

1) Give McCoy the Ball. He needs about 20-25 touches. Preferably at least 15 of those carries.

2) Vick has to read the blitz and hit the hot read that is open because of it. Plenty of guys open when those corners come in. Vick has to find them.

3) Defense has to step up. They have been the weak link all year but its a clean slate now. Its time to step up and play big.
I agree with this 100% - especially the carries to McCoy part.This, on the other hand:

Snotbubbles said:
The winner of this game very well could be the NFC representative in Dallas.
Umm...not so much. Either one, if they win, have to play to road games against the Bears and Falcons (most likely). I know both the Eagles and Packers have already lost at Soldier Field once this year and Atlanta is also pretty good at home.
Did you miss the bolded? So you're saying you think they'd have NO chance to beat the Bears and Falcons? It's not like those two dominated everyone they played.
Reread the post you bolded - especially the two words right before the word you bolded. Now, granted it sounds like he's doing the proverbial "CYA" thing by using "could" - but the "very well" seems to indicate that the OP thinks the Packers/Eagles have a "very good" chance of doing so - I was just indicating that "very well" is an overstatement, especially as the two teams he is referring to haven't been dominant either - and at times, have lost big games to mediocre teams - and have to win two games on the road to accomplish that which he states "very well" could happen. Is it possible? Sure. "Very well" possible? Not so much. That's all - nothing to get anyone's green panties (whether they be green and yellow or green and silver) in a bunch over.

 
oh boy, today is finally here! Excited, nervous, basically pumped up more than I have been in awhile with the Birds. Enough talk and analysis, time to knock some heads.

:goodposting:

After yesterday's games, this game being billed as the game of the week has some big shoes to fill.

 
I like Green bay to win this game 38-30. This game should be the best game all weekend. Great games yesterday, but this game should be fun. Looking forward to it. Good luck to both teams.

 
Bears and Packers fans uniting for a common purpose. If only the Vikings fans would come on board as well we could have board harmony.

 

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